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If I thought it would keep them from raising ticket/concession prices, I'd be fine with it - it's just practice jerseys... but we know that's not the case, so I'm not crazy about it.

Meh, more I think about it - it's just practice. We talkin' 'bout practice. As long as it doesn't creep to game day, meh.
 
I don't care if Texans jersey have ads. on them. It's no big deal in other major sports like soccer where you have AIG pasted on the front of Man U jerseys.
 
DiehardChris said:
If I thought it would keep them from raising ticket/concession prices, I'd be fine with it - it's just practice jerseys... but we know that's not the case, so I'm not crazy about it.

Meh, more I think about it - it's just practice. We talkin' 'bout practice. As long as it doesn't creep to game day, meh.
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I'm sure that's how it was with the Nazi's and Poland too. Meh, so long as it doesn't creep in to...

Nawzer said:
I don't care if Texans jersey have ads. on them. It's no big deal in other major sports like soccer where you have AIG pasted on the front of Man U jerseys.
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Did you say other major sports? What other major sports?
 
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barrett said:
Did you say other major sports? What other major sports?
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Ever watch PGA/LPGA golf or NASCAR?
Every logo on those NASCAR coveralls or on those golf shirts represents corporately funded "real estate".

And, make no mistake, NASCAR and PGA golf are major sports.
:shrug:
 
ObsiWan said:
Ever watch PGA/LPGA golf or NASCAR?
Every logo on those NASCAR coveralls or on those golf shirts represents corporately funded "real estate".

And, make no mistake, NASCAR and PGA golf are major sports.
:shrug:
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I disagree. They may be major "games", but I'm not buying sport. Anyone that claims golf is a sport can try until they're blue in the face to explain John Daly.

Besides, I knew there was a reason I didn't watch those games.
 
Golf and Nascar are completely different sports than Football, Baseball and Basketball. A golfer is basically an independent contractor working for himself. For the most part, golfers main source of income can be from sponsorships. I'm not that familiar with Nascar but the advertisements are huge sources of revenue to keep the team up and running.

In football/baseball/basketball they have advertisements around the stadium as supplemental income but not on the actual player. We have this conversation every year. And while I don't think practice jerseys with an advertisement on it (outside of the team, nfl or jersey logos) are that big of deal... it's a slippery slope. Once you allow that then 5 years down the road the logos get bigger. Once the league gets used to this they analyze the impact of implementing this to preseason uniforms, after that then its regular season and before too long... they turn into soccer jerseys.
 
eriadoc said:
I disagree. They may be major "games", but I'm not buying sport. Anyone that claims golf is a sport can try until they're blue in the face to explain John Daly.

Besides, I knew there was a reason I didn't watch those games.
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The days of the "John Daly" type of golfers is soon to be non-existent on the PGA. Golf is slowly becoming a game/sport filled with true athletes. It may be hard to see now or believe, but within the next 10 years the majority of the top PGA professionals will be more and more like Tiger. Not in the insane golf ability sense but based on his every day practice/workout schedule. It's an extremely competive sport and Tiger's "off course" regimen has already begun to change how golfers prepare and the shape they stay in.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
In football/baseball/basketball they have advertisements around the stadium as supplemental income but not on the actual player.
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There's plenty of advertising on players already.

Quite honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with ads on game jerseys as long as they find something classier than the NFL Europe ads.
 
This is the way anything sports related is going. Beach Volleyball players where temporary tattoos of sponsors now. Hopefully it only goes so far as practice jerseys for the NFL. However, I would not be surprised in the future to see end zones sporting corporate logos as opposed to team logos along with the uniforms.

eriadoc said:
I disagree. They may be major "games", but I'm not buying sport. Anyone that claims golf is a sport can try until they're blue in the face to explain John Daly.

Besides, I knew there was a reason I didn't watch those games.
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I'm with you on this, I know golf is challenging in it's own way, but any activity that has uniforms that usually consist of some sort of pastel colored polo shirt and Dockers slacks...:lion:
 
It's simple to me. If you open the gates to it, it's over. It's only a matter of time. Anyone who thinks that it would only remain on the practice uni's is apparently blind to what's gone on in this country since, well, the assembly line was invented.

I doubt you would find many who would argue against the thinking that the NFL is different than any other sport in that it is massively poplular, hugely profitable and undeniably more consistent and stable than ANY other sport on the planet that we are plastering with ad's every day.

You can't make the comparison to NASCAR or Golf. Period. Well, you can, but it's on a whole different plain. The Product that the NFL is selling is being sold TO advertisers as well as consumers. The main market for the NFL is TV advertising. This allows the game to be compartmented as a product itself. Think of it this way... You sit down to watch a game and for 3 hours you are pitched products. The majority of that is pitching you to buy football tickets and merchandise. Some of it is to buy beer and after shave. At the same time, the NFL is pitching to the networks who pitch to advertisers to buy time.

All television based sports do this but none to the massive profit margin that the NFL does. The NFL can charge millions and millions of dollars for ads partially because it is a product in itself, so in demand that it is making more from the networks than anybody.
 
ObsiWan said:
Ever watch PGA/LPGA golf or NASCAR?
Every logo on those NASCAR coveralls or on those golf shirts represents corporately funded "real estate".

And, make no mistake, NASCAR and PGA golf are major sports.
:shrug:
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The biggest sport in the world advertises. It's only a matter of time before "Reliant Energy" finds its way onto our unis.

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Not really all that surprising to me. I could care less what their shirt says during practice, as long as the game day uni's are unscathed I'm good.
 
This upsets me to be honest with you. Uniforms define sports. It's who the organization is representing. I want the jerseys to represent the product that I'm paying for which is the Houston Texans. My wardrobe is decked with Texans stuff. Almost every single thing that I wear has the Texans on it.

Do away with the throwbacks. Do away with the end zones. Fire Toro and bring out the Energizer Bunny to jumpstart our fans. Get rid of the cheerleaders and bring in the Pepto Bismol diarrehea dancing five. Ugh. This would definitely disconnect me from the Texans product that's being put on the field. This is definitely opening the floodgates. It's a mistake. They need to be telling me to buy Texans stuff. Not Viagra or Preparation H. Just Texans. It's hard enough to convince me to throw away a significant portion of my money. Why draw that back and advertise something else?

Besides, donning them on jerseys kind of is forcing the players to push a product they may not want their name behind. Maybe they simply don't like Campbell soup and prefers Progressive soup (sp?) yet Campbells is what the player has to don.

Nascar, I totally get but donning advertisements on jerseys or the field/courts is a total disconnect. Don't slap that crap on MLB, NFL, and NBA players. I love uniforms. Why make me think about going to shop at Kroger when I need to be shopping at the Go Texans store? Does not make sense to me. The advertisements around the stadium do not attract my attention but I can totally live with those.

Ugh. Bad move, Texans.
 
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Ole Miss Texan said:
The days of the "John Daly" type of golfers is soon to be non-existent on the PGA. Golf is slowly becoming a game/sport filled with true athletes. It may be hard to see now or believe, but within the next 10 years the majority of the top PGA professionals will be more and more like Tiger. Not in the insane golf ability sense but based on his every day practice/workout schedule. It's an extremely competive sport and Tiger's "off course" regimen has already begun to change how golfers prepare and the shape they stay in.
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I disagree in the fact that you can either swing a club or you cant swing a club. John Daly is also pretty much the only player in PGA history to piss away ever chance he has had and when he was "in shape," he was a great player. I wouldn't have an issue with ads on the jerseys as long as it lowered the price of the jersey.
 
mexican_texan said:
The biggest sport in the world advertises. It's only a matter of time before "Reliant Energy" finds its way onto our unis.

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The biggest sport in the world is NFL football. Not because of how many tickets they sell. I know, I know, soccer sells alot of tickets. a gazillion if you will. But the NFL generates twice as much cash. The ads on the jerseys of your soccer ball teams are suplimental (much like the coca cola ads in the stadium or Reliant Energy on the stadium.) But the league has been able to maintain it's integrity because of the MASSIVE profit it generates. According to this article http://www.askmen.com/sports/business_200/218b_sports_business.html the NFL generates almost twice as much mulah.

LonerATO said:
I wouldn't have an issue with ads on the jerseys as long as it lowered the price of the jersey.
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wow.
 
barrett said:
The biggest sport in the world is NFL football. Not because of how many tickets they sell. I know, I know, soccer sells alot of tickets. a gazillion if you will. But the NFL generates twice as much cash. The ads on the jerseys of your soccer ball teams are suplimental (much like the coca cola ads in the stadium or Reliant Energy on the stadium.) But the league has been able to maintain it's integrity because of the MASSIVE profit it generates. According to this article http://www.askmen.com/sports/business_200/218b_sports_business.html the NFL generates almost twice as much mulah.
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That article only lists the English Premier League. There are literally hundreds more professional soccer leagues around the world, with some of the more profitable being the Spanish Primera, the Italian Serie A, the German Bundesliga, the French Ligue 1, and the Dutch Eredivisie to name a couple. On top of those, every country has a couple of leagues, meaning there is a top league that teams must be promoted to and remain in by virtue of points, and then there is a second, third, and even fourth league for some soccer unions. Adding on to that, the Champions League final just this year was viewed by over a billion people, not too mention how many people watched that tournament throughout the course of the season. Then you have national team tournaments such as the Euro's for the European teams and of course the World Cup, the single biggest sporting event in the world.

That's just scraping the surface of how large and immense soccer is around the world. Literally every country in the world, no matter how small or war-torn, has soccer teams. The same can't be said about football; at least the American version.

Now, if we're going to limit the sport to a single league, then yes, the NFL is tops in profit margins by itself (though I think NASCAR might actually give it a close run), but if going by sport, there is undoubtedly no question that soccer is bigger than football on the world stage.

eriadoc said:
Go Fly Emirates!

Wait, what team is that?
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That team is Arsenal, as noted by the patch on the shirt. I love that jersey, I think it's done in a tasteful way, not to mention Arsenal is one of my favorite soccer teams to watch.
 
pbat488 said:
That team is Arsenal, as noted by the patch on the shirt. I love that jersey, I think it's done in a tasteful way, not to mention Arsenal is one of my favorite soccer teams to watch.
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The logo is readable, the patch is not. That is the future of advertising on jerseys. It's ridiculous.
 
barrett said:
It's simple to me. If you open the gates to it, it's over. It's only a matter of time. Anyone who thinks that it would only remain on the practice uni's is apparently blind to what's gone on in this country since, well, the assembly line was invented.

I doubt you would find many who would argue against the thinking that the NFL is different than any other sport in that it is massively poplular, hugely profitable and undeniably more consistent and stable than ANY other sport on the planet that we are plastering with ad's every day.

You can't make the comparison to NASCAR or Golf. Period. Well, you can, but it's on a whole different plain. The Product that the NFL is selling is being sold TO advertisers as well as consumers. The main market for the NFL is TV advertising. This allows the game to be compartmented as a product itself. Think of it this way... You sit down to watch a game and for 3 hours you are pitched products. The majority of that is pitching you to buy football tickets and merchandise. Some of it is to buy beer and after shave. At the same time, the NFL is pitching to the networks who pitch to advertisers to buy time.

All television based sports do this but none to the massive profit margin that the NFL does. The NFL can charge millions and millions of dollars for ads partially because it is a product in itself, so in demand that it is making more from the networks than anybody.
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Here's a solution! How about consumers practice a little self-discipline and not be so easily motivated by the advertising. I'm talking to you, Budweiser drinker! That is one of the worst beverages ever created. Only someone hypnotized by a catchy jingle or mesmorized by horses kicking footballs would voluntarily drink that garbage.

I have a two-pronged technique that is quite effective against advertising:

1. DVR
2. lack of attention to detail. I'll never even notice the patches, or whatever they'll be wearing. I don't even know what color helmet the Texans where... I'm thinking it can be blue, red, or white... but, I don't know.
 
eriadoc said:
The logo is readable, the patch is not. That is the future of advertising on jerseys. It's ridiculous.
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That is true, but is it really that big of a deal? I can see in the sense of a non-fan of the game trying to figure out what team they are watching I suppose, but most fans, or even semi-fans, are going to know what teams they're watching because usually only big and famous clubs are shown over here on TV.

It's like if someone unfamiliar with the Texans or pretty much any other NFL team see's that team on TV. All they will see is the color scheme and the logo on the helmet. They most likely won't be able to read the "TEXANS" across the chest of the jersey, but it won't matter much because their will be a scoreboard and a whole host of information for them to gather to infer what team they are watching.

I just don't see it as a big deal. Not to mention looking at actual jerseys, where do y'all think they would place ads on them? There's not much room since so much is taken up with the numbers on the front and back of the jersey, as well as the armlets.
 
dalemurphy said:
Here's a solution! How about consumers practice a little self-discipline and not be so easily motivated by the advertising. I'm talking to you, Budweiser drinker! That is one of the worst beverages ever created. Only someone hypnotized by a catchy jingle or mesmorized by horses kicking footballs would voluntarily drink that garbage.

I have a two-pronged technique that is quite effective against advertising:

1. DVR
2. lack of attention to detail. I'll never even notice the patches, or whatever they'll be wearing. I don't even know what color helmet the Texans where... I'm thinking it can be blue, red, or white... but, I don't know.
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So let me guess you drink Miller Lite oh wait you do not follow advertisement so you do not drink any beer that is ever advertised like Miller, Bush, Heineken, Milwaukee Best, Keystone, Corona, Dos Equis and I could go on and on. My point is that almost any beer you drink now a days is advertised. Unless you went to a real specialty beer like Grolsh or Smithwicks.

Since you never pay any attention to advertisement means you never buy anything that is on sale right?
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Golf and Nascar are completely different sports than Football, Baseball and Basketball. A golfer is basically an independent contractor working for himself. For the most part, golfers main source of income can be from sponsorships. I'm not that familiar with Nascar but the advertisements are huge sources of revenue to keep the team up and running.

In football/baseball/basketball they have advertisements around the stadium as supplemental income but not on the actual player. We have this conversation every year. And while I don't think practice jerseys with an advertisement on it (outside of the team, nfl or jersey logos) are that big of deal... it's a slippery slope. Once you allow that then 5 years down the road the logos get bigger. Once the league gets used to this they analyze the impact of implementing this to preseason uniforms, after that then its regular season and before too long... they turn into soccer jerseys.
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It is more of a source of profit, than revenue. The inventory for the advertisements are always there and essentially there is no cost to holding that inventory. Now a sponsorship is another vehicle which can include display elements such as banners.

I am all for banners on uniforms if it subsidizes lowering costs at the game. But that will never happen in my opinion.
 
We are talking practice jerseys, right? Who really cares? What do practice jerseys have to do with fans? Or anybody else for that matter? Isn't there a sponser for practically everything in the organization already? Stadium, bubble, parking spots, practices, etc.

Meh, I think we're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here.
 
HOU-TEX said:
We are talking practice jerseys, right? Who really cares? What do practice jerseys have to do with fans? Or anybody else for that matter?

Meh, I think we're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here.
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It is more of a discussion on what the future holds. PSL owners should band together in order to find a sponsor in order to lessen our costs, should this profit engine take shape on the field of play with no connection to lowering our icket costs.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
It is more of a discussion on what the future holds. PSL owners should band together in order to find a sponsor in order to lessen our costs, should this profit engine take shape on the field of play with no connection to lowering our icket costs.
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We're only talking practice at this point. Considering how strict the NFL is about their dress code, I really don't think they'd allow any non-NFL patches on gameday jerseys.

I might be missing a point or two here, but I still don't see it being a problem.
 
It's just another brick in the road to the eventual end game of global corporation domination. Give it a few decades, and we'll see the FedEx Cardinals and Coca-Cola Rams, where sports franchises sign a 5 year deal with a city to host the games. Of course, you don't have to go to the game, as it will be available on McDonalds pay-per-view.

The corporatocracy is not going away, folks. Just enjoy the twilight while we can, because right now will be "the good old days" in the not-to-distant future. :howdy:
 
Well I guess we don't have anything to worry about. Area businesses are not going support the team since we didn't draft you know who. Remember?
 
Erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over NFL gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see Under Armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The Texans play at the 'Reliant' Stadium.

The players drink Gatorade, and drink out of Gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.
 
mattieuk said:
erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over nfl gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see under armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The texans play at the 'reliant' stadium.

The players drink gatorade, and drink out of gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.
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qft.
 
The Arena Football League pretty much shows what it could turn out to be...
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I don't see it getting on the game day jerseys for the NFL. It's everywhere in other countries for all different sports.

Rugby:
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Basketball: Josh Childress
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Hockey:
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The list goes on and it could work it's way up to the bigger leagues in the states as some smaller leagues such as the MLS and WNBA have deals with companies to put logos on their jerseys.

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Sorry for all the pictures....
 
mattieuk said:
Erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over NFL gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see Under Armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The Texans play at the 'Reliant' Stadium.

The players drink Gatorade, and drink out of Gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.
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Good points, and more bricks in the road to the eventual Exxon Texans. :shades:
 
mattieuk said:
Erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over NFL gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see Under Armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The Texans play at the 'Reliant' Stadium.

The players drink Gatorade, and drink out of Gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.
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This arguement gets brought up every year too. The Reebok logo, NFL logo and Team logo are all technically advertising but I think each has its place on the jersey. Manufacturer, league, team. But I don't think there's a place for outside business to advertise on such items.

I've got nothing against advertising and I think sporting events is a GREAT place for it. Around the stadium, on the drink cups, etc. I think is all fine and dandy. But I'm against having the advertisements on the actual playing surface or uniforms.

The one exception I have is during Bowl games or Championship games that are sponsored. Like the Dr. Pepper Big XII championship or the Chic-fil-a Bowl. So long as its the actual official logo of the Game on the patch or painted on the field, I'm cool with it.
 
JWarren14 said:
The Arena Football League pretty much shows what it could turn out to be...
player_dorazio.jpg


I don't see it getting on the game day jerseys for the NFL. It's everywhere in other countries for all different sports.

Rugby:
newcastle-falcons_002501_1_MainPicture.jpg

Basketball: Josh Childress
nba_g_jchildressts_576.jpg

Hockey:
eurojersey.jpg


The list goes on and it could work it's way up to the bigger leagues in the states as some smaller leagues such as the MLS and WNBA have deals with companies to put logos on their jerseys.

lifelock_taurasi_todd_300.jpg


houston-dynamo-home-jersey.jpg


Sorry for all the pictures....
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It must suck to be that hockey player
 
mattieuk said:
Erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over NFL gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see Under Armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The Texans play at the 'Reliant' Stadium.

The players drink Gatorade, and drink out of Gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.
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I think there is more than just you. The debate as I see it is, what will that new revenue stream contrubute to. If lower prices, or value added services, that patrons want at the stadium are it then yes I am in. However, as I have mentioned before what will this do to jersey sales which has been a solid revenue stream.

A manufacturer's logo is not painted across the chest of the uniform, which in itself is probably within the terms of the sponsorship to subisdize cost.

The way I see it, is that there will be 2 million impressions per home game with eyeballs in the stands and on the television, which is a very conservative number. An a la carte sponorship such as this for one game would be probably be, on the low side, a $500CPM (cost per thousand impressions). Therefore, 2m x $500/1000= $1 million dollars per game. If each ticket holder received $10 off that would be $690k for a net of $310k per game.

I am not a purist, but I will not be buying anymore jerseys should they have an advertiser on them. Furthermore, just tell me my tickets are going down by $10 each game and I will happily support this.
 
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Specnatz said:
So let me guess you drink Miller Lite oh wait you do not follow advertisement so you do not drink any beer that is ever advertised like Miller, Bush, Heineken, Milwaukee Best, Keystone, Corona, Dos Equis and I could go on and on. My point is that almost any beer you drink now a days is advertised. Unless you went to a real specialty beer like Grolsh or Smithwicks.

Since you never pay any attention to advertisement means you never buy anything that is on sale right?
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Advertising can offer information that is valuable. A sales notification would be an example of that. I definitely consume products that are advertised. However, I'm not normally manipulated into buying a poor product. Obviously, if you are consuming Budweiser, then you have been manipulated.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I am not a purist, but I will not be buying anymore jerseys should they have an advertiser on them.
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I've got my expensive custom jersey, so I'm done buying any more. No more player jerseys, and none with blatant advertisements (if it comes to that).

Kaiser Toro said:
Furthermore, just tell me my tickets are going down by $10 each game and I will happily support this.
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Won't happen, unfortunately. They are going to increase revenue, and lowering prices does not acheive that objective.
 
dalemurphy said:
Advertising can offer information that is valuable. A sales notification would be an example of that. I definitely consume products that are advertised. However, I'm not normally manipulated into buying a poor product. Obviously, if you are consuming Budweiser, then you have been manipulated.
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In your opinion! You failed to say that, I drink Bud Light but I do also drink Shiner, Grolsh, Smithwick, and other beers. I will not consume a Miller product, because for the most part I do not like the taste. But I will not call anyone who drinks it manipulated, it is just that they have underdeveloped taste buds and flavored water is OK by them.
 
Double Barrel said:
It's just another brick in the road to the eventual end game of global corporation domination. Give it a few decades, and we'll see the FedEx Cardinals and Coca-Cola Rams, where sports franchises sign a 5 year deal with a city to host the games. Of course, you don't have to go to the game, as it will be available on McDonalds pay-per-view.

The corporatocracy is not going away, folks. Just enjoy the twilight while we can, because right now will be "the good old days" in the not-to-distant future. :howdy:
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dalemurphy said:
Advertising can offer information that is valuable. A sales notification would be an example of that. I definitely consume products that are advertised. However, I'm not normally manipulated into buying a poor product. Obviously, if you are consuming Budweiser, then you have been manipulated.
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Hey Dale, let me do you a favor by manipulating you to buy this:


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Bombshell Blonde
Brewed by Southern Star Brewery in Conroe, and available at Specs and other places.
Awesome.

How's that for ad placement?
 
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