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Kubes on the hotseat????

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I would be very disappointed if Kubiak were to be fired and I don't think that is in the Texans' best interest. He's brought this team a long ways already and I think McNair knows that. He expects to make the playoffs as most owners would with the roster and staff we have. I hope if this team gets off to a fast start that Kubiak gets an extension ASAP because he is the best coach for this team.
 
Here is more about what McNair has said.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60913&highlight=McNair

Ready for tough choices

Rick Smith, with input from head coach Gary Kubiak, is the point man on personnel decisions.

“Your future is depending upon these young people coming in, so those decisions are vital,” he said. “I don’t hesitate to let them know what I think, and when something isn’t done right, I demand that they justify why they made that decision.”

McNair wouldn’t say he is a different person than he was in 2002, just more knowledgeable, which makes him tougher on draft-day decisions.

“As you gain more experience, it’s easier to determine if your people are on the right track,” he said.

The true measure of the right track is on-the-field results. Today’s results are almost as important.

“It’s an exciting process -very dynamic - and you really have to be well prepared,” McNair said. “You make one decision, take one action, and it ripples through the whole board.

“We don’t know what the other 14 teams ahead of us are going to do, so we have to do a lot of what-if scenarios. But I think we’ll have a good draft. We better.”

Or else somebody will have some explaining to do. To an owner who knows a lot more than he used to.
 
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it doesnt say he is in the hotseat at all...it says the owner expects a playoff appearance. Kub has improved this team so much, our biggest problem was of Def cor.


Texans owner Bob McNair raised the bar, saying that after all of the offseason moves geared toward improving the defense, he expects a playoff appearance. McNair also pointed to a favorable start, as Houston opens with three of four games at home. That won't make fourth-year coach Gary Kubiak sleep any easier. One of the Texans' biggest problems has been in AFC South play; Kubiak is 2-10 over the last three years against the Colts and Titans.

^ thats the whole article...where does it say he is in the hot seat? do you expect the owner to say he expects a losing season? use your brain

i hate ppl starting rumors with no basis of fact
 
Only way he gets fired is we lose more than 10-12 games. Another 8-8 year and he'll stick around. Always something to blame it on (injuries, hold outs, etc)
 
Bring in Shanahan!!

I tease. I think it's good to light a fire under his ass but he has done an excellent job with the talent he has. He is a good coach. Hopefully he is around for a while.
 
In my mind, the team would have to have a regression for Kubiak to be on the hot seat.
The only scenario that gets Kubiak fired, IMO, is if the team takes a noticeable step backwards, and Bill Cower becomes available to replace Kubes.
 
Well, they took those comments out of text. I remember him saying this in a Chronicel article. He basically said that he feels the team has improved in the talent department and he believes the playoffs are obtainable. Nothing about people being on hot seats or anything. That's pure speculation.
 
Bill Cowher would start an enormous rebuilding campaign. We'd be starting from scratch for the third time. He himself is also a testament to sticking with your HC as long as he doesn't pull a 2-14 out of his stupid butt.
 
I still think the real problem has been Richard Smith as DC and a Defense that just needs to mature together and gel.
 
I still think the real problem has been Richard Smith as DC and a Defense that just needs to mature together and gel.

Agree completely although I would add a lack of talent in the past has been an issue with the defense but that has been upgraded significantly recently in a short period of time
 
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/101533-texans-owner-puts-kubiak-on-hot-seat

well the line has been drawn in the sand now........I absolutely knew this was coming....a little later than I thought but what i thought none the less...

Even a classy owner like mcnair has a breakin point.......and I love it...hold him accountable........kubes is toast if the texans come out with another brain fart start like last season....:whip:

I think that "McNair wants playoffs = Kubiak is on hotseat" is a stupid position, and clearly not written by anyone who pays attention to McNair's decision making.

I think McClain's position in his recent article on this is accurate based on what I know--that McNair very much respects what Kubiak is doing and barring a catastrophic collapse, Kubiak is as safe as any other NFL coach.
 
Unless we have very serious injury problems, or folks not reporting to camp for some reason, I don't see this team going backwards, or even staying the same.

They will be a better team this year and have a winning season baring those unforseen bad circumstances. I don't see where Kubiac should be worrying about his job. However, he should be worrying about how much the defense improves.
 
the seat gets hot if you never win...so far he has never won. Gotta be this year or the seat will be red hot. Another mediocre season and I'd say that he'll have one more season to pull it out. If two Head coaches can't bring this team to win more games than they lose in our first decade of football, I'm all for trying a third.
 
the seat gets hot if you never win...so far he has never won. Gotta be this year or the seat will be red hot. Another mediocre season and I'd say that he'll have one more season to pull it out. If two Head coaches can't bring this team to win more games than they lose in our first decade of football, I'm all for trying a third.


If there are no good reasons (injuries, hold outs, things like that) and we have another 8-8 season with all the talent in place, then yeah, Kubiac's seat is gonna get a tad toasty. LOL
 
I would be very disappointed if Kubiak were to be fired and I don't think that is in the Texans' best interest. He's brought this team a long ways already and I think McNair knows that. He expects to make the playoffs as most owners would with the roster and staff we have. I hope if this team gets off to a fast start that Kubiak gets an extension ASAP because he is the best coach for this team.

What he said. "must spread rep"
 
I think that "McNair wants playoffs = Kubiak is on hotseat" is a stupid position, and clearly not written by anyone who pays attention to McNair's decision making.

I think McClain's position in his recent article on this is accurate based on what I know--that McNair very much respects what Kubiak is doing and barring a catastrophic collapse, Kubiak is as safe as any other NFL coach.

I agree with you TC. I don't understand this thread. Are we getting spoiled from gettig better as a team? We never had .500 record before Kubiak and I hate to admit but we were an awful team. Since Kubiak arrival, we'd seen TEXANS getting better each year(may not show on record) with a little talent we had. Last year, our offense was among top tier team. Have you guys ever imagined this kind of production during Capers' era? This year, we are in position to talk about our first winning season.

McNair is very successful and smart business man. A successful business man makes many right calls. I am certain that McNair has eyes for a successful person when he sees one.

GO TEXANS!!!
 
the seat gets hot if you never win...so far he has never won. Gotta be this year or the seat will be red hot. Another mediocre season and I'd say that he'll have one more season to pull it out. If two Head coaches can't bring this team to win more games than they lose in our first decade of football, I'm all for trying a third.

What I find interesting about this is the timing. Let's assume another average season...with all the same sorts of excuses/explanations...young players, new defensive scheme, some random bad luck, injuries whatever blah blah blah.

With all the labor uncertainty that is possibly coming next year, do you really want to switch coaches/GMs after this season unless you are really forced to?

I'd want as much stability as I could get.
 
I'll add that when Kubiak began in 2006, he was in complete rebuilding mode. Obviously the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of mentality and coaches/players are expected to produce immediately. Maybe I went into the "new era" of the Texans with a different mindset than most fans. I figured the first few years Kubiak would be installing his system, getting players he wanted, etc. Last year there were high expectations and Kubiak even said right before the season, something to the effect of "this team still has a ways to go". I remember fans blasting him for that but the truth was, the Texans were still evolving. This is the first offseason that I truly feel comfortable about our depth (exception could be RB).

My mentality is that 3 years should be about enough time for Kubiak to get most of the players he wants and have them trained to do what he wants. In that aspect, you could assume that year 4 starts the "hot seat". I think its just the next step. The team is pretty much where it needs to be at from a player personnel standpoint. We've gotten some new coaches but the foundation is pretty much set. Now is the time to produce (in my opinion). you could argue it should have been Game 1 in 2006 but realistically now is the time the team is finally together (and should be). I think the whole W/L idea starts now. If he has a bad season, I don't see him getting fired though. I think this season he'll be expected to produce and if he doesn't, the 2010 season he's on the hot seat. If that season goes just as bad or worse then the '09 season, then a decision will be made and his contract is up.

A 5 year contract is a good length for building the team and producing. I think McNair gives him the 5 years, to be fair. The 2010 season is Kubiak's "contract" year, so to speak. And if he doesn't have an extension by then, that year will be make or break for him. I'm a big Kubiak fan so I hope we see winning seasons starting this year and going forward. This really is the first year I can say I EXPECT the Texans to make the playoffs. But it's not like it's going to be a cake walk.
 
What I find interesting about this is the timing. Let's assume another average season...with all the same sorts of excuses/explanations...young players, new defensive scheme, some random bad luck, injuries whatever blah blah blah.

With all the labor uncertainty that is possibly coming next year, do you really want to switch coaches/GMs after this season unless you are really forced to?

I'd want as much stability as I could get.

Exactly.

The tag line for that website that we were linked to, for the story, is "Truth and Rumors." Well, I think this little article falls into the "rumors" bin.

IMO, Kubiak has a litmus test season this year. With probably the best overall talent this team has ever possessed, and with a favorable schedule (especially to start the season!) he will prove if he's got the stuff or not.

If we stay healthy, yet still fall victim to the same problems--No defense, bad clock management/challenge decisions/game-planning before the game and after halftime, failing to dominate teams from start-to-finish, and getting away from what we're good at--I have no problem starting over.

But if we have significant injuries to several key players, or if we lose a few games in ways that are not really any fault other than a lucky bounce here and there for the other team(s), then why in the heck would anybody want to scrap it and go coach hunting?

I understand the urgency. It's very real. But I think people are already projecting failure, and that sucks to see that at this early juncture. It's sucking all the fuuuuuuun out of it.

My motto for the rain cloud crowd is this: Don't be a fun sucker. :BananaWav
 
What I find interesting about this is the timing. Let's assume another average season...with all the same sorts of excuses/explanations...young players, new defensive scheme, some random bad luck, injuries whatever blah blah blah.

With all the labor uncertainty that is possibly coming next year, do you really want to switch coaches/GMs after this season unless you are really forced to?

I'd want as much stability as I could get.

I'd be willing to bet that there will be at least one team - and probably more - that will fire their HC after this season. Sometimes you have to risk instability to take the chance to improve.

We Texans fans are conditioned to accept mediocrity as long as it comes in a nice, well spoken package. ;)

I'm not saying Kubiak is/is not on the hot seat. My guess is that he's not save a catastrophic season. But our owner and fanbase has a helluva' lot more patience about these things than other cities.

But I feel that we will improve to at least 9-7 this season, and if it is 8-8 again, then we will probably lose a bunch of really close games. We will hopefully be a better road team and go .500 in our division, so those small steps will be visible.
 
I agree with you TC. I don't understand this thread. Are we getting spoiled from gettig better as a team? We never had .500 record before Kubiak and I hate to admit but we were an awful team. Since Kubiak arrival, we'd seen TEXANS getting better each year(may not show on record) with a little talent we had. Last year, our offense was among top tier team. Have you guys ever imagined this kind of production during Capers' era? This year, we are in position to talk about our first winning season.

McNair is very successful and smart business man. A successful business man makes many right calls. I am certain that McNair has eyes for a successful person when he sees one.

GO TEXANS!!!
You mean like David Carr, Charley Casserly and Dom Capers? :gun:

I get your point though. Let's say we fired Kubiak after a mediocre season. I'd bet there would be tons of teams with rotten offenses lining up to hire him. He'd be fresh off his training wheels. We have him for at least two more years imo.
 
I think that "McNair wants playoffs = Kubiak is on hotseat" is a stupid position, and clearly not written by anyone who pays attention to McNair's decision making.

Stupid position?

The Texans still have trouble winning games and have their jocks handed to them by division opponents on a regular basis.

Kubiak's as head coach is a legit discussion if the Texans don't make the playoffs this year.
 
You mean like David Carr, Charley Casserly and Dom Capers? :gun:

I get your point though. Let's say we fired Kubiak after a mediocre season. I'd bet there would be tons of teams with rotten offenses lining up to hire him. He'd be fresh off his training wheels. We have him for at least two more years imo.

That was his freshman year! You don't expect McNair to be aware of everything in his first try would you? With this past experience, he now has Kubiak and Smith which is much improved IMO. I like our FO. How about you Vinny?

GO TEXANS!!!
 
You mean like David Carr, Charley Casserly and Dom Capers? :gun:

I get your point though. Let's say we fired Kubiak after a mediocre season. I'd bet there would be tons of teams with rotten offenses lining up to hire him. He'd be fresh off his training wheels. We have him for at least two more years imo.

i agree with you ..2 more years.

unless this team dropped into the tank then he could be gone this year,but there has been a lot of progress made. Granted it isn't like some of the other teams but it isn't because the offense is stalling, it is the defense hasn't found it's nitch.. It has to show some life this year because the offense is there (minus the red zone efficiency ).. Kubiac/shannahan have to find a way to get the red zone improved and hopefully with who/what we drafted this year, there will be improvement

MORE TD's!
LESS FG's!
 
Stupid position?

The Texans still have trouble winning games and have their jocks handed to them by division opponents on a regular basis.

Kubiak's as head coach is a legit discussion if the Texans don't make the playoffs this year.

It can be a legit discussion for sure. No doubt.

But reading Bob McNair's comments as an indication that Bob McNair believes that Kubiak's job is in particular hotseat jeopardy is a stupid position. It doesn't follow from his comments.
 
I'll add that when Kubiak began in 2006, he was in complete rebuilding mode.

Correction. Complete rebuilding, minus one position.

& that's QB.

If the rumors are true, and HWSNBN's position on the 2006 team was a result of a "favor" or at the personal request of Bob McNair, add one year to what ever timetable Kubiak is/was on.

Now, one of the articles quoted on the first page referenced Bob saying that he's gained experience, that he's learning a lot more........ that he "get's it"

If that's true, then I trust he can see that this team is headed in the right direction, with/without a play-off appearance.

I also believe his new knowledge may be due to the time he's spent with Smithiak....... if so, add another year or two.

It may just be me, but for some reason I feel this organization is more "family oriented". They act more like a family. I think getting rid of Kubiak is going to be one of those things that Bob will not want to do, no matter what, and whatever reason there may be in the future, it's going to be a good one.

And no one is going to see it coming.

Kinda like Walsh in SF, and Shanahan in Denver.
 
If we have another mediocre season and Kubiak hasn't displayed that he has learned how to prepare the team and call a game, then he absolutely should be gone after next year. I thought he should have been gone this year because of his lack of evolution as a head coach and some bone-headed game-time decisions. I think you absolutely have to expect that this team should be winning, and perhaps we would have won a couple more games last year had Kubiak made intelligent, high-percentage playcalling decisions and had done something about the defensive coaching.

Frank Bush is a decision that I think Kubiak will have to stand behind, come success or more bottom half of the league defensive play. He will also have to get his team ready to play on Sundays, both mentally and emotionally. There hasn't been an identity on either front that I can say "that's the Texans...that's Coach Kubiak affecting their attitude and readiness."

Being a nice, likable family guy has nothing to do with being a winning NFL coach, and if McNair sticks too long with another loser, he will have a apathetic fan base on his hands.
 
Being a nice, likable family guy has nothing to do with being a winning NFL coach, and if McNair sticks too long with another loser, he will have a apathetic fan base on his hands.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but at the same time, if McNair keeps going through coaches after every 3-4 years I think it would be even more detrimental to the team and to the fanbase.

Look at the Raiders. Let's get past the fact that Al Davis is the craziest owner in the league and does his own thing with the team. But how many coaches have they gone through since the Texans have been in existence? The answer is 5. 5 Head Coaches since 2002. Now you can make plenty of arguements about why the Raiders suck but #1 on my list is the turnover at the Head Coaching position. How can you establish a winning team when you're consistently replacing the head guy every year or two? It's ridiculous. The players/coaches will never be able to get on the same page. The offensive and defensive schemes may change... it's just hard to work in that kind of environment. Bring this home and look at your job- how much trouble would you have at your work if you had to answer to a new boss every so often.

The thing about most businesses (and I'm including Football Team as one) requires long term planning. You make long term decisions and sometimes have to pass up short term benefit. If a coach is worried about his job, he's less likely to make the best decision for the Team.
 
I'm not disagreeing with you, but at the same time, if McNair keeps going through coaches after every 3-4 years I think it would be even more detrimental to the team and to the fanbase.

Look at the Raiders. Let's get past the fact that Al Davis is the craziest owner in the league and does his own thing with the team. But how many coaches have they gone through since the Texans have been in existence? The answer is 5. 5 Head Coaches since 2002. Now you can make plenty of arguements about why the Raiders suck but #1 on my list is the turnover at the Head Coaching position. How can you establish a winning team when you're consistently replacing the head guy every year or two? It's ridiculous. The players/coaches will never be able to get on the same page. The offensive and defensive schemes may change... it's just hard to work in that kind of environment. Bring this home and look at your job- how much trouble would you have at your work if you had to answer to a new boss every so often.

The thing about most businesses (and I'm including Football Team as one) requires long term planning. You make long term decisions and sometimes have to pass up short term benefit. If a coach is worried about his job, he's less likely to make the best decision for the Team.

I have to disagree with your example of the Raiders. They are an aberration of a football team. Everything that's wrong with that team comes from one person: Al Davis. The coaches on that team are figureheads that do his bidding, and his constant string of bad decisions has set them back a decade or two. Hear me now and believe me later.

Long-term planning is great and all, but I don't accept a long-term plan of 8-8, 7-9 or 9-7 records. A long term plan has to include tangible improvement, which I do believe we have seen on the offensive side of the ball, save for one huge, glaring issue: red zone conversion. The play calling just wasn't effective. The team seemed to move the ball well except inside the 20, then they clenched up. And a couple TDs were left on the field (and wins) with perplexing 2nd/3rd and inches calls.

The other thing that I've felt has been lacking is a toughness or nastiness on this team that translates to me as a fan as a desire to win and an attitude to get there. Maybe the players will pick up this fumble and make the team their own, but it's not coming from the top down, IMHO.

Here's what I expect to see this year that may prove me wrong in my "fire Kubes!" stance:

1. Lil' Shanny fully taking over the reigns on offensive play calling. As I recall the last game or two last year, he was going solo and there was a tangible difference in the red zone. The team seemed to flow better and the calls weren't so conservative.

2. A more aggressive defense. We have the athletes to hopefully generate a pass rush and I would love to see more blitzing. If you're scared of the secondary getting burned by blitzing, as Smith seemed to be, then you're going to get burned regardless.

3. A favorable schedule. I've looked at the schedule and I think 10 wins is not only doable, but I expect more. It is NOT a tough schedule and we're going to see two different Colts and Titans teams this year. I think the loss of Dungy and Hanesworth (respectively) is huge.

Some dings that keep me on the "Fire Kubes" bandwagon (and there's plenty of room, only a couple of us are here, sitting grumpily with our arms crossed):

1. Team personality/attitude. If someone asked me to define the Texans, I couldn't easily do it. If I see Schaub get another cheap shot and those O linemen don't retaliate, I will got batshit crazy. As should Kubes/Oline coach.

2. Preparation. There are times when the team comes out flat after wins against teams they are better than. Remember the Raiders game last year? That was like watching an old person with no teeth eat a piece of dry toast.

3. In game decision making. I keep harping on this, but Kubes hasn't shown he's advancing through that learning curve. Giving Lil' Shanny the reigns may cloak his weakness in this area.

4. His RB albatross. For the life of me, this guy loves "rode hard, put up wet" over the hill, injury-prone cast off RBs. I'm hoping one of the FAs we picked up after the draft pan out (and that they just didn't see the talent there this year to waste a pick on), but the "plug in Running Back X into ZBS" hasn't worked. We got a gem in Slaton and I love the little spark plug, but we need some legitimate "bake" to Slaton's "shake."

By no means take my "Kubes isn't doing a great job yet" stance as me wanting the team to not win in order to prove me right. I want this team to win, as my five Texans jerseys and worn-out Texans ballcap will atest. I want them to win, and I honestly think they can if Kubes improves in a couple key areas. And there's enough talent on this team to succeed in spite of him now. I'm just not sold on the "he's a good guy, we need to give him a chance" philosophy that keeps us stuck in neutral for a good year or two more than we need. Not every coaching change is a "wipe the slate clean and rebuild" situation, and turnarounds come quicker now than ever before.

Just win, baby.
 
I think that "McNair wants playoffs = Kubiak is on hotseat" is a stupid position, and clearly not written by anyone who pays attention to McNair's decision making.
The actual author of the blog, Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe, never used the word "hotseat" in his byline.

Texan expectin' big things
Texans owner Bob McNair raised the bar, saying that after all of the offseason moves geared toward improving the defense, he expects a playoff appearance. McNair also pointed to a favorable start, as Houston opens with three of four games at home. That won't make fourth-year coach Gary Kubiak sleep any easier. One of the Texans' biggest problems has been in AFC South play; Kubiak is 2-10 over the last three years against the Colts and Titans.
At the risk of sounding stupid, I pretty much agree with Reiss. Bob McNair has made it known that he expects "big things" such as seeing his team in the playoffs. He's also correct that Kubiak's teams have struggled in the division. Where I might disagree is the assumption that Kubiak is just now feeling pressure due to McNair's comments. Kubiak knew that he had to clean house...er, reorganize this offseason. He went after mature players in the draft, rather than long term projects. Gary Kubiak was very well aware that the 2009 season will be a crossroads. Both for the franchise and himself.
 
Being a nice, likable family guy has nothing to do with being a winning NFL coach, and if McNair sticks too long with another loser, he will have a apathetic fan base on his hands.

To clarify, I never said Kubiak should get a pass, if he delivers an 8-8 season. My point, is that we can have a successful season, and still miss the play-offs. We can very easily go 11-5, or 12-4....... we can have a top ten defense, and a top 5 offense, and still miss the play-offs.

In the event, that we go 7-9, I think McNair will look at the situation, and decide what, if any, move should be made.

If we end up relying on Orlavsky, Arian Foster, and Rashad Butler for our offense, I doubt Kubiak is going anywhere, I doubt his job would be the topic of any discussion Mcnair would have with him.
 
To clarify, I never said Kubiak should get a pass, if he delivers an 8-8 season. My point, is that we can have a successful season, and still miss the play-offs. We can very easily go 11-5, or 12-4....... we can have a top ten defense, and a top 5 offense, and still miss the play-offs.

In the event, that we go 7-9, I think McNair will look at the situation, and decide what, if any, move should be made.

If we end up relying on Orlavsky, Arian Foster, and Rashad Butler for our offense, I doubt Kubiak is going anywhere, I doubt his job would be the topic of any discussion Mcnair would have with him.

I agree that having a winning record and missing the playoffs is a realistic situation and I don't think making the playoffs is the threshold by which Kubes is judged. But another 8-8 or even 9-7 season is a sign of issues with coaching. McNair would be crazy not to re-assess if we didn't have a winning season with all indicators pointing to a pretty successful season for this team.

I don't blame McNair for saying he expects the playoffs this year because as the owner I expect him to raise the bar. I'm encouraged by him saying this, but he's proven in the past that he has more patience than perhaps a coaching staff deserves.
 
The only people saying Kubes is on the hot seat are the ones hoping they can hire him next season.

Kubiak isnt going anywhere. Even if we went 6-10 I doubt Kubes would be going anywhere. We have invested alot in this team to make it work like Kubiak is building it to work... and to fire him now would be catastrophic in the long term. McNair is not going to let Kubiak go because he knows that if he does, its the beginning of another rebuilding era...and NO ONE wants to see that.

McNair will remain loyal to Kubiak for at least a couple more seasons.
 
That was his freshman year! You don't expect McNair to be aware of everything in his first try would you? With this past experience, he now has Kubiak and Smith which is much improved IMO. I like our FO. How about you Vinny?

GO TEXANS!!!
well, McNair couldn't even see the utter disaster in David Carr after 3 full years. They even extended his contract, so I haven't bought into McNair being a great decision maker when it comes to the NFL on the field game itself. I also think that he moves way too slow in a league of super quick changes. I do think the current team is better although Kubiak hasn't really gotten our record much better than Capers got it, with far less talent. I'm expecting playoffs this year though. I think the team is finally talented enough to compete for a playoff spot. Not just hoping...but expecting.

If we have another mediocre season and Kubiak hasn't displayed that he has learned how to prepare the team and call a game, then he absolutely should be gone after next year. I thought he should have been gone this year because of his lack of evolution as a head coach and some bone-headed game-time decisions. I think you absolutely have to expect that this team should be winning, and perhaps we would have won a couple more games last year had Kubiak made intelligent, high-percentage playcalling decisions and had done something about the defensive coaching.
My problem with Kubiak is that he calls his games like an overzealous offensive coordinator. Kubiak has been a poor strategist and puts the team in bad situations, over and over. Hopefully having someone else call the plays will help him see the bigger picture more readily.


McNair is not going to let Kubiak go because he knows that if he does, its the beginning of another rebuilding era...and NO ONE wants to see that.

McNair will remain loyal to Kubiak for at least a couple more seasons.
This current team doesn't need "rebuilding" even if we get a new coach. There is enough talent to be a playoff team if the team stays healthy and the Coach doesn't continue to make poor strategic decisions. The talent across the league is so even games are often won and lost on strategy and gameplanning in the NFL. I think those have been Kubiaks weak spots. He can design a great offense, but I'm not a fan of his strategic decision making or some of his game plans.
 
I have to disagree with your example of the Raiders. They are an aberration of a football team. Everything that's wrong with that team comes from one person: Al Davis. The coaches on that team are figureheads that do his bidding, and his constant string of bad decisions has set them back a decade or two. Hear me now and believe me later.
LOL, I conceded the fact that Al Davis makes insane people look normal. I just can't understand the guy. I think he is the main problem for the team but I was just saying one of his decisions is the Head Coach and he goes through them like a baby does diapers. Sure there are a ton of other issues here but the HC turnover is a very big problem.

Long-term planning is great and all, but I don't accept a long-term plan of 8-8, 7-9 or 9-7 records. A long term plan has to include tangible improvement, which I do believe we have seen on the offensive side of the ball, save for one huge, glaring issue: red zone conversion.
Totally agree here too. But in actuality, while I think they've been making long term decisions that are best for the team Kubiak still knows he has to produce each year. I think the longterm plan is consistently winning the division and being in the playoffs. On the short side, we have had 3 of the 4 best seasons in our short history. 6-10, 8-8, 8-8.


I like what you wrote the rest of the way and see those as very important. I think a 22-26 record is "acceptable" for the first three years even though it's not necessarily ideal. This season the expectations are sky high and for good reason. I just can't see it as Kubiak's last. I think it will be either (a) we make the playoffs and Kubiak gets an extension or (b) we don't and the general concensus is He better get us there in 2010 or else.
 
Those commenters on the aritcle are pretty funny, they don't really even seem to know much about the Texans, just skewed perception of what they have heard. I noticed a couple of our posters stepping in and straightening out some of the facts.

I agree with the other posters here, I don't think Kubiak is in the hotseat, I think McNair and Kubiak both expect playoffs or why else are they in this business? If the Texans finish 8-8 or less, than he will be on the hot seat next year. Even then you can't just pull the plug on the way he has turned things around, he will be given at least next season to try and rebound if this season is a bust.

Personally, I think we finish around 10-6 hopefully maybe even 11-5, whether that's good enough for the playoffs remains to be seen, but if we put up that record and still miss the playoffs, most of us will be happy with the improvement including the owner.
 
Playoffs or bust.

The only exception should be if we win 10-12 games and miss the playoffs by some odd circumstance.

I'm of the opinion that if we don't at least show improvement every year, then the coach should be on the hotseat. And a 2nd straight 8-8 season wasn't an improvement.
 
...My problem with Kubiak is that he calls his games like an overzealous offensive coordinator. Kubiak has been a poor strategist and puts the team in bad situations, over and over. Hopefully having someone else call the plays will help him see the bigger picture more readily.

This current team doesn't need "rebuilding" even if we get a new coach. There is enough talent to be a playoff team if the team stays healthy and the Coach doesn't continue to make poor strategic decisions. The talent across the league is so even games are often won and lost on strategy and gameplanning in the NFL. I think those have been Kubiaks weak spots. He can design a great offense, but I'm not a fan of his strategic decision making or some of his game plans.

I think that's a very accurate portrayal of things. A few others, IMO, have really socked it to Kubiak without mentioning that he has designed a really good offense. It's as if he's being made out to be a total *****. I think your evaluation is fair.

I keep trying to steer people back to the end of last season when it was reported that an intervention was staged with Kubiak...and the result was that Kubiak was able to see that he needed to take his hands of the playcalling and let Jr. do the job. I think this energized our offense, and it probably pleased our defensive players, too.

Regarding Mr. McNair, in terms of his football acumen: McNair is only as smart as the people he surrounds himself with, IMO. He hired what I feel was a completely washed-up coaching staff when we first kicked this franchise off. Capers is a great coordinator, but he's not HC material. IMO, Kubiak is a better HC than Capers ever was...at least for the Texans. This is where I'll get Capers' miracle Jaguars team thrown at me. LOL!

Another of Kubiak's faults is that he is stubborn. I don't know if that's a Texas A&M thing...because you go there, and let's face it: You better do what the heck you're told, or you're disowned. But his stubborness is a strength yet also a weakness. It's been said that our strengths, carried out to their extremes, become our weaknesses. While it has helped the guy stay at the job in the NFL and push through a lot of adversity that would make most people crumble, he doesn't adjust to in-game situations very well. I see virtually no half-time adjustments that try to exploit what the opponent was doing to us (or allowing) in the first half.

Going back to my previous statement: Maybe--just mayyyybe--he will entrust his coordinators on game day, and focus on the game's nuances a bit more.

And I still maintain that Rick Smith is the real key to this whole puzzle. His structuring of contracts, as well as who he has helped Kubiak to bring in, is leaps and bounds ahead of Casserly and Capers. To me, Casserly gave Capers too much leash. If that wasn't the case, then Casserly really is a horrible GM. I'd like to think that there's a small shred of sanity in his skull, so I'll go ahead and say that Casserly gave Capers too much leash on a lot of player acquisitions and contract structuring. He trusted too much. Hopefully.

I think this is the season where it becomes pretty clear what we have, in terms of seeing the finished product after years of rebuilding.

I better go inside, I see some rain clouds headed this way.
 
I'm going to throw something out there, and I've been thinking about it for a few weeks now...so here goes:

Don't be surprised if Frank Bush gets canned after one year of being d-coord here. If our defense does not produce, and the stagnation remains, I can easily see Kubiak and Smith firing Bush and petitioning to McNair that we spend some major coin on a more high-profile d-coord out there.

I know you think it's crazy, especially since 99% of people here are saying that the failure of Bush will be the undoing of Kubiak's job. But I simply think that won't be the case. I think Kubiak and Smith were trying to identify other d-coords out there, which is why the Bush announcement took so long, and I wouldn't be surprised if Smithiak went to McNair and they brokered some sort of escape clause that gave them immunity in regards to staying with an inside hire for d-coord.

I'm not trying to just be outlandish here and be a goofball. I really think the Bush hire has more strings attached to it than we are aware of, and it's a last-ditch effort before trying to go out and grab a more expensive d-coord that's established and would need to be lured here with big $$$$. Smithiak knows that the way to McNair's heart is through his checkbook...and hiring Bush was a move engineered by economics, yet with the chance that his style just might work out in the end.

I think Kubiak and Rick Smith are pretty firmly enthroned right now. That won't stop McNair from putting on the face of "We need to make the playoffs. Now." That's part of the game, honestly. It's going to take a lot for McNair to disassemble Smithiak. McNair looks pretty smart right now, because he made a decent decision the second time around when identifying and hiring the right HC and GM. No way does he want to gamble again anytime soon.
 
I think that one of the things that bothers me the most is that at this point in time it seems that everyone is on their tiptoes trying to dance around the word "playoffs." The coaches don't want to introduce it, the players don't want to introduce it, most of the fans want to ignore it as a measure of minimum success. And the owner can only come out, after all this time, with a relatively limp statement of "expectation." I'm beginning to get strong signals that this almost universal acceptance of mediocrity (a term that I believe Vinny used in the past) is a result of people being unable to motivate themselves. Lesser teams have set their goals high........some have made them........others have not. They have exuded confidence which have given them all that one little additional advantage toward reaching their goals. The Texans are not an "F" student looking for an unlikely/unreasonable "A." They are a "C" student looking for at least a "B"............with any acceptance of a "C+" reflective solely of their own sad self-imposed limitations.
 
Another fire Kubiak thread? What the hell?

If you look at last year's record as the only measurement of the team, I pity you and the newspaper you write for. And I pity the hole you live in, because it's tired of you. 8-8 last year was an accomplishment because of circumstances beyond anyone's control. We we're not the f'n steelers or patriots either, even now we're still considered the "lowly Texans". Fair is fair, winning would help that image and I think 8-8 this year will be a step back, though the record stays the same.
 
Kubiak is 2-10 over the last three years against the Colts and Titans.

That's gotta' change if Kubiak wants to keep his job. That's really just a pathetic indication of how far this team still has to go, back-to-back 8-8 records and all.
 
Playoffs or bust.

The only exception should be if we win 10-12 games and miss the playoffs by some odd circumstance.

I'm of the opinion that if we don't at least show improvement every year, then the coach should be on the hotseat. And a 2nd straight 8-8 season wasn't an improvement.



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point on.........I said the same thing........we went 8-8 twice.....first time was understandable from a injuries excuse/standpoint....but we had realtively good health last season and didnt inprove not even one game....

not only that....we came into the season looking like a unprepapred team....thats the main point....I can accept losses.....as long as the team shows fight and determination........coming out to the tune of a 0-3 or 0-4 with the team lookin lost shows me that the coach of the team obviously didnt have his squad ready to go mentally


and like cloak said........the level of mediocrity is very alarming to hear to say the least

its not reading between the lines to say that mcnair clearly stated his expectation level is for the team is to reach the playoffs....not only that but he also eluded that he is not gonna be happy with another slow start to the season with a unprepared team..........thats not speculation.....he layed out what he expects from his head coach and team this season ....:bat::aggressive:
 
I think that one of the things that bothers me the most is that at this point in time it seems that everyone is on their tiptoes trying to dance around the word "playoffs." The coaches don't want to introduce it, the players don't want to introduce it, most of the fans want to ignore it as a measure of minimum success. And the owner can only come out, after all this time, with a relatively limp statement of "expectation." I'm beginning to get strong signals that this almost universal acceptance of mediocrity (a term that I believe Vinny used in the past) is a result of people being unable to motivate themselves. Lesser teams have set their goals high........some have made them........others have not. They have exuded confidence which have given them all that one little additional advantage toward reaching their goals. The Texans are not an "F" student looking for an unlikely/unreasonable "A." They are a "C" student looking for at least a "B"............with any acceptance of a "C+" reflective solely of their own sad self-imposed limitations.

I follow what you're putting out there, but I don't agree with it. Every team throws out the obligatory "We want to dominate and win the SB!" card. No team (well, maybe the Lions are the exception) goes about things acting like they are just glad to be around for another day.

For every Detroit Lions'esque team who would be thrilled to reach .500 two seasons in a row, there is a Dallas Cowboys'esque team who is controlled by an owner/GM who can't get out of the first round of the playoffs.

The problem with being an NFL fan is that anything less than the Super Bowl trophy and you're a loser. A big loser. In fact, you could pull a Buffalo Bills and have 4 or 5 appearances in a decade, and you're seen as a pathetic loser. This exists for the NBA and MLB, as well, in sports leagues where there is only one real trophy to win each season. But it's magnified in the NFL, and I think that has to do with the physicality of the game. Only a real man can climb that mountain and plant that flag. Only a beast of a man could end up as the Super Bowl champion. A famous car racer once said "If you're not first, you're last!"

So what does it matter if we're in the playoffs and lose in the first or second round? Because I have seen teams repeatedly fail to win the Super Bowl, making it deep into the playoffs on a consistent basis and choking in some way or another, and yet THOSE teams are still regarded as being "good" teams: Philly, for example.

I think this whole freaking conversation is a joke. To say "he should be fired if we don't make the playoffs" is such a wrong way of evaluating anything because a good team isn't measured by conquest, at least it isn't to me--I judge it on some pretty simplistic things:

1. Are we drafting in the top 5 every season? If so, there's a serious issue going on in the deep recesses of the team's facilities.

2. Are we able to put ourselves into position to win a game, and if we are, what's the talent level of that opposing team we are in position to beat? If we're out of games by the start of the 2nd quarter, then there's some serious issues going on with the coaching and planning, etc.

3. Are we scoring points, or are we squeaking by on lucky bounces and blown coverages and getting points in garbage time?

And applying the "mediocrity" tag on THIS team, when it really was only applicable to the Capers' era of Texans teams, is well...it's fairly inaccurate IMO. I still think Marcus might be right when he says this team's problem is primarily a "talent" problem. You get enough talent, and stay the hell out of their way, and they can do some amazing things. I wonder if the Cavs are doing so well because of their coach, or because LeBron is a whole team unto himself? Or maybe it's a combination of coaching, stars, and support players? Looking back on the Capers team, I don't see ANYBODY who could play with the Texans team we have today--If we could put those two teams together, I know which team would win. And it wouldn't even be close.

I honestly think some of you guys are so on edge about the chances of us making the playoffs that you've now gone and hocked your wedding ring to add another few hundred to the poker pot you've put yourself into. :poker:

It isn't an acceptance of mediocrity to be pleased with 8-8 for two seasons. 2-14 was an embarassment, and THAT was the height of mediocrity. Kubiak has faults. Maybe he'll get over them this year. I don't desire a change until this season has played out and we see what he and Rick Smith have been putting together.

Isn't this the first year that we even have e-x-p-e-c-t-a-t-i-o-n-s for our defense? I mean, it was always a lost cause from the get-go every time this year. The biggest fault of Kubiak was allowing Richard Smith to stay more than 1 1/2 seasons. He has 1 1/2 seasons too late, but at least he's showing that he's not going to go all crazy all of a sudden. Nobody thrives in that sort of environment.

The Raiders, the Cowboys, the Redskins, and a few other teams are teams that make a lot of noise and don't produce a damn thing. Everybody else is just hoping that they do the best they can do, and that the bounces fall their way, and it all ends in a destiny-driven march to the title. I mean, it's 32 teams in a 16-game season! Only a few even make it to the playoffs, and then only 1 of those teams can survive the process.

No other major professional sports league (NHL, NBA, MLB) has a one-and-you're-done playoff structure. In the NFL, you have no second chances...and that's brutally unforgiving if your team just has an off day.

If the pulse of this board is already at this rate...in early May...I can't imagine what it'll be like in training camp and preseason. We might have to take a collection and provide professional counseling if things don't go perfectly for us. :wheel:
 
I think it would be stupid for us to fire Kubes unless if we have a record worse then 8-8 with a healthy team. Remnds me of the Chargers firing Marty who I'm sure they wouldv'e loved to keep instead of Turner.
 
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