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Your objections to the 2009 draft: speak now or hold your peace

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I started a thread right after the 2008 draft for everyone to "go on the record" with their opinions of the draft. The intent was to let all the would-be I-told-you-so's put down their opinions before they had the benefit of hindsight. Also, this will be a good place to put down the names of the guys we were hoping to get (Jennings, Brown, Unger, etc.).

In a year or two, we could then unearth this thread and see who was smart and who was not. Last week, we got a good laugh at the folks (me included) who questioned the Slaton pick, but those who went on the record supporting the Slaton pick get well-deserved applause.

So here's the rules:
1. This isn't intended to be a discussion/debate thread at this phase. Plenty of those going around. Just post your disagreement with a pick (or picks) and why. When this time capsule gets dug up in the next year or two, we can praise/laugh at the picks all we want.

2. If you disagree with a pick, you must state who you would have drafted with that pick. And the proposed pick must have been available.

3. No "they should have traded down/up" comments. We don't know if any trades were available, so assume that we were stuck with the picks.

4. If you don't post here, then we can presume you don't question any of the picks. OK, that's not really a fair rule, but you can't be an I-told-us-so unless you did indeed tell us so. If you were right, the proof will be right here for everyone to see.

So, with those ground rules in place, here's the transactions up for consideration:

Trading Rosenfels for a fourth round pick. If you disagree with this pick, then you are voiding the Texans pick of Anthony Hill (unless you believe we should have drafted him earlier than 122.

Brian Cushing at 15.

Connor Barwin at 46.

Antoine Caldwell at 77

Grover Quin at 112.

Anthony Hill at 122.

James Casey at 152.

Brice McCain at 188.

Troy Nolan at 223.

Fire away, brave souls.
 
Connor Barwin better be the love child of Mike Vrabel & KVB. Because that 2nd round pick, to me, is a little risky. I would have preferred a DB in that spot, but a lot of people think DBs in the higher rounds are overrated unless they are the best of the DB position in the draft class.

If Anthony Hill in the 4th was a move to improve red zone, goal line, and short yardage RUNNING situations...and he's used in that manner...and it works...then I like the pick. If it turns out that James Casey was the better TE pick, well...we wasted a 4th rounder and we'll need to look at who else was available after we drafted Anthony Hill.

Not taking Andre Brown, or even a single RB at all, was a bit surprising. A lot of teams let RBs slide almost completely off the edge of the draft board. I wonder if the trend is going to become the practice of making a good portion of RBs go undrafted and then sign them as UDFAs, thereby using your draft picks on other positions. Maybe coaches feel there wasn't enough good RBs in this draft, so sign 'em cheaper as UDFAs.

It's obvious that we're building our defense from the line, first, then the LBs, and the DBs are the last to get the star treatment. Hopefully we use next year's first round to target a stud DB at any DB position, take your pick.

I am so-so on Cushing. I wonder if he's really "all that," or if he's just a workout warrior who will get lost in the deep waters of the NFL. I will hold back on my assessment until I see him in action. If he's a star, he'll show it very quickly, IMO. If he's not, then oops-we-crapped-our-pants in the first round, Okoye style. Again.

Love the Caldwell pick.

The rest of the picks? Meh. I'm indifferent to them.
 
I'm indifferent with just about every pick besides Cushing and Caldwell. It's not that I completely hate the picks, it's just a "we'll have to wait and see" kind of ordeal.
 
It's all speculation until we see what they can do on the field. "Hold your peace" is kind of silly when we have no idea if these players can compete at the pro level just two days after the draft. And I seriously doubt anyone on a message board could even "hold their peace" to begin with.
 
I don't like the Cushing or the Anthony Hill pick. I'm not in love with the Barwin pick, either. Antoine Caldwell, though, gives me hope. I honestly know nothing of the DBs.
 
I dont really like the 6th or 7th rounders.

Initially I disliked both 4th's, but I have come to terms with those.

I am meh on the Cushings pick, and I love the Barwin and Casey picks.
 
rmartin65 said:
I dont really like the 6th or 7th rounders.

Initially I disliked both 4th's, but I have come to terms with those.

I am meh on the Cushings pick, and I love the Barwin and Casey picks.
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Too much detail, just give us the broad strokes please!
 
Double Barrel said:
It's all speculation until we see what they can do on the field. "Hold your peace" is kind of silly when we have no idea if these players can compete at the pro level just two days after the draft. And I seriously doubt anyone on a message board could even "hold their peace" to begin with.
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mexican_texan said:
I don't like the Cushing or the Anthony Hill pick. I'm not in love with the Barwin pick, either. Antoine Caldwell, though, gives me hope. I honestly know nothing of the DBs.
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Every single pick in every draft ever held is a question mark. We got grilled by anyone who ever HEARD of the NFL for taking MW, but ask RB or VY how that turned out. Who knew Sam Bowie had kids named Reggie and Vince? Just to show MY smarts, I was a HUGE Carr supporter and blamed much on the OL. I also didn't mind the TJ pick. Those are 2 I regret. All that being said, I REALLY like our draft. We could have our 2nd DROY with Cushing. I like his attitude and motor. I just like our draft all the way around. Yeah, we could've picked this guy or that guy, but Smithiak has earend my respect in the draft, so I'll take it and be happy with it. I bet Barwin makes a HELL of an impact, BTW. We just got young and fast on the edges. Watch out Manning.
 
All the picks look good in theory. I'll wait until a few preseason games have been played before I start making judgements. Some of these guys we won't really know what we have for a while though.
 
dalemurphy said:
Too much detail, just give us the broad strokes please!
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I could do more detail if you want.

I do not like the second CB. From the film I have seen of him (albeit relatively little, and excluding his highlight reel) he seems to just be a speed guy. The 7th, he reminds me of Harrison. I hope I am wrong, but I dont see anything from him. And his measurables suck. He seems like a guy that wont even be on the squad in 2010.

Initially, I hated Hill. But I did a little research, and the idea of a blocking TE for certain situations sounds good. The first CB, we did need depth. So I warmed up to that pick real quick. I also like that he could possibly give depth at FS.

Cushings, I hate USC. So, on principle, I dislike him until he proves himself as a Texan. But he does seem like a good player with a good attitude.

Caldwell, one of our better picks. Depth at C and G, and I think he will start at either RG or C by week 8.

Casey I gave a low grade because of OD, Dreeson, and Hill. but I love him as a player, so I cant say I dislike the pick.

Barwin was my favorite pick. I think he could be the best pass rusher in the draft.
 
Thorn said:
All the picks look good in theory. I'll wait until a few preseason games have been played before I start making judgements. Some of these guys we won't really know what we have for a while though.
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This is the way I feel. I'm hopeful that we've got some gems, but I can't really say until we see them in action.
 
rmartin65 said:
I could do more detail if you want.

I do not like the second CB. From the film I have seen of him (albeit relatively little, and excluding his highlight reel) he seems to just be a speed guy. The 7th, he reminds me of Harrison. I hope I am wrong, but I dont see anything from him. And his measurables suck. He seems like a guy that wont even be on the squad in 2010.

Initially, I hated Hill. But I did a little research, and the idea of a blocking TE for certain situations sounds good. The first CB, we did need depth. So I warmed up to that pick real quick. I also like that he could possibly give depth at FS.

Cushings, I hate USC. So, on principle, I dislike him until he proves himself as a Texan. But he does seem like a good player with a good attitude.

Caldwell, one of our better picks. Depth at C and G, and I think he will start at either RG or C by week 8.

Casey I gave a low grade because of OD, Dreeson, and Hill. but I love him as a player, so I cant say I dislike the pick.

Barwin was my favorite pick. I think he could be the best pass rusher in the draft.
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Brice McCain was drafted to be a returner if I'm not mistaken. I have high hopes for him and Troy Nolan after reading up on them.
 
Seems as if some people might be upset with the Casey pick because they see him as a replacement for OD.

I disagree. I think Casey will play more of a FB/H Back role and I think he will be a dynamic player in that position. I don't think the addition of Casey has any impact on OD.
 
bah007 said:
Seems as if some people might be upset with the Casey pick because they see him as a replacement for OD.

I disagree. I think Casey will play more of a FB/H Back role and I think he will be a dynamic player in that position. I don't think the addition of Casey has any impact on OD.
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I don't know about that Bah. I think that it just might. I mean hell we just drafted two straight TE's man, and to me it's no coincidence especially with Daniels needing to be resigned and all and the Texans seeing that big contract with Winslow. I think that it does have some effect. I'm not saying that now all of a sudden we aren't going to resign Daniels because of it, but it does make me say wonder a little bit.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't know about that Bah. I think that it just might. I mean hell we just drafted two straight TE's man, and to me it's no coincidence especially with Daniels needing to be resigned and all and the Texans seeing that big contract with Winslow. I think that it does have some effect. I'm not saying that now all of a sudden we aren't going to resign Daniels because of it, but it does make me say wonder a little bit.
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Just because a guy played TE in college doesn't mean he will play TE in the pros. Guys switch positions all the time.

Switching from TE to a FB/H Back should be a pretty easy transition for Casey. He didn't really play TE at Rice anyway. He was basically just a WR flexed inside.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't know about that Bah. I think that it just might. I mean hell we just drafted two straight TE's man, and to me it's no coincidence especially with Daniels needing to be resigned and all and the Texans seeing that big contract with Winslow. I think that it does have some effect. I'm not saying that now all of a sudden we aren't going to resign Daniels because of it, but it does make me say wonder a little bit.
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While I don't think that we'll just let O.D. walk either; I do agree picking up two TEs will have an impact. I think O.D.'s bargaining leverage just diminished a bit with the pick up of these two guys.
 
bah007 said:
Just because a guy played TE in college doesn't mean he will play TE in the pros. Guys switch positions all the time.

Switching from TE to a FB/H Back should be a pretty easy transition for Casey. He didn't really play TE at Rice anyway. He was basically just a WR flexed inside.
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I'm not saying that this means we won't be trying to resign Daniels, but it does make me wonder. Casey is listed as a TE as of now, so that is all that I have to go on. I hope we keep Daniels, but I have a hunch that possibly Kubiak just might think that he can replace Daniels with this Casey guy in the 5th round with a value pick and make him into another Daniels. Only time will tell.
 
I'm more of a check with me in 3 yrs type of guy. I'm not into these early draft grades and such, but I have a problem, not major with the texans draft.

I know philly called for that 15th pick. The gm and coach said so once they saw macklin still there. If u just use the value chart and looking at the ammo of philly, to move down the texans couldve got no less than a 3rd and a 4th to move 6 spots. Now the 3rd had to be this yr and the 4th couldve been negotiated. Lets say they did get the 2 picks, they couldve drafted matthews,butler,or davis at 21. The rule is u have to have a player for every spot u move down. If they take matthews, that's the slb with upside like barwin or if they take davis or butler, that's leverage against robinson. To have another 3 and 4 in this draft wouldve been incredible. Everyone can't be perfect though.
 
McCain is not a good corner.

Quin is not a good fit if we stick with man to man.

Cushing is just a quality starter, not a super star.

Barwin will develope into a starting DE on the same level with Leonard Little. If he went to a 3-4 I think he could be the next Ware.

Caldwell will be starting at C or G by the start of next season, and we won't see him get pushed backwards every play.
 
I know the Texans have more knowledge of the draft then I do. I have no problems with their draft this year. Here's what I would have done with the picks, though.


Brian Cushing at 15. I like Cushing. I had him coming to Houston in half of the mock drafts I did.

Sean Smith at 46. I like the Barwin pick, but I like Smith more

Antoine Caldwell at 77. I like the Caldwell pick, he brings depth to the Texans line.

D.J. Moore at 112. I know next to nothing about Glover, and Moore was rated as a 2nd round pick coming into the draft.

Andre Brown at 122. I like that Hill is a blocking TE, but I like Brown more at this point in the draft. The Texans need RB depth, and I think Brown fits their scheme.

James Casey at 152. I like Casey at this spot. I think he's good value in the fifth.

Brice McCain at 188. Don't know too much about him, but he's a sixth round pick

Michael Bennett at 223. After picking Smith, I would have gone best DE available here. Nick Reed was the next one drafted, but I don't know anything about him. Bennett went undrafted, but I think he would have been a good 7th round pick.
 
leebigeztx said:
I'm more of a check with me in 3 yrs type of guy. I'm not into these early draft grades and such, but I have a problem, not major with the texans draft.

I know philly called for that 15th pick. The gm and coach said so once they saw macklin still there. If u just use the value chart and looking at the ammo of philly, to move down the texans couldve got no less than a 3rd and a 4th to move 6 spots. Now the 3rd had to be this yr and the 4th couldve been negotiated. Lets say they did get the 2 picks, they couldve drafted matthews,butler,or davis at 21. The rule is u have to have a player for every spot u move down. If they take matthews, that's the slb with upside like barwin or if they take davis or butler, that's leverage against robinson. To have another 3 and 4 in this draft wouldve been incredible. Everyone can't be perfect though.
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That's a good "what if". Just Philly calling doesn't say what Philly was willing to pay. It takes 2 to tango. I just dealt with that Sunday at a gun show. Those guy's are WAY too proud of their stuff. Without hard evidence of what Philly was willing to give up, it becomes a moot point.
 
mexican_texan said:
Brice McCain was drafted to be a returner if I'm not mistaken. I have high hopes for him and Troy Nolan after reading up on them.
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He was not a great returner in college though. Contrary to popular belief, it takes more than athleticism (speed, agility) to be a great KR. And I strongly believe that if you cant do it in college, you cant do it in the pros.
 
I liked Rashad Johnson in the 3rd. I know nothing of Caldwell, so he could turn out to be quite useful. But I was hoping for an impact safety and he fell to us in round 3
 
Trading Rosenfels for a fourth round pick. If you disagree with this pick, then you are voiding the Texans pick of Anthony Hill (unless you believe we should have drafted him earlier than 122

Brian Cushing at 15.
I liked Diles - 7th rd guy that made good. But if Cushing beats him out fair & square, then we don't lose anything when Cushing rotates out for a blow. And BTW, I hated Cushing's pre-draft hype - gave me RB/VY flashbacks. ...but to his credit, he doesn't seem to be basking in the glory like they did.

Connor Barwin at 46.
I was expecting/hoping for a DB here. But I was okay with a pass rusher.

Antoine Caldwell at 77
I was caught totally by surprise. A happy, shiny surprise. A 4-yr starter that can play any of the inside O-line spots! Myers better not get "nicked", he may not get his job back.

Grover Quin at 112.
Hadn't heard of him. But he's got decent speed and can play nickel or safety. Okay. I got my DB. Need addressed.

Anthony Hill at 122.
Bruener replacement unit ...with better hands. Kubiak says "he'll make us less predictable in our single-back set". That's gotta be a good thing.

Also, I'll admit that at this point, I was perplexed that we hadn't picked up a RB yet. Two 4th rd picks and neither was a RB?? WTH?? But when I went back and looked at who had been picked up, it seemed to me that the whole league was "meh" about this year's RB class - only 9 picked in the first 4 rds.
Given that we picked up a couple of decent prospects right after the draft, I'm good now.

James Casey at 152.
Home down boy who was rated to go sooner by some. Kubiak said that the Texans plan to try Casey at tight end, fullback, long snapper and on special teams. He also has the ability to play quarterback in a “Wildcat” offense. All this from a 5th rd guy? None of the other 5th rd guys have produced. Drew Hodgdon, Brandon Harrison, Brandon Frye, Frank Okam, not a lot to show from any of 'em. Maybe Casey breaks that string. We'll see.

Brice McCain at 188.
3-yr starter... sub 4.4 40 at combine and pro day. Over 20 passes defended. Hmmm... Another toy for Marciano to play with. I'm good.

Troy Nolan at 223.
ANOTHER DB? I was thinking, this is getting ridiculous. And then I think, "hey that's 3 DBs out of our 8 picks... and a CB that's unhappy with his contract. ....definitely one of those things that make you go, "hmmmm...?"

bottom line:
I'm as good as one can be without seeing them on the field.
 
I'm upset we didn't add more ZBS offensive linemen such as Greg Isander and Trevor Canfield and I also wanted another RB like Andre Brown and I wouldv'e also like Sean Smith or DJ Moore.
 
I haven't had a chance to post my thoughts and I probably won't get a chance until tomorrow. But I think some of you are misunderstanding where I am going with this thread. I'm merely trying to head off a very specific type of Monday-Morning-GM: they guy who claims "I said all along that we should have drafted X instead of Y" when that guy probably had no idea who X or Y was at the time the pick was made.

It's not enough just to say we shouldn't have taken Cushing. You must also supply the name of player we should have drafted with that pick instead. If your should-have-been pick does indeed make it big in the league, then you can go back to this thread and prove your draft acumen by showing that you did indeed favor him at the time the picks were made.

I'm completely on board with the idea that a draft can't be judged until a number of years later. But this thread is (hopefully) a way to critique not only the drafters but also the critics of the drafters.

Look at JCTexan's post. That is what I was envisioning. If Sean Smith and Andre Brown outshine Barwin and Hill, JCT can go back to his post and prove that he was right all along (as opposed to merely being right with the benefit of hindsight).
 
I'm good. I think we may sign a back of some sort though. Just remind somebody to wake me up in August please.
 
So here's my assessment and who we should have taken:

Sage trade: I'm absolutely good with the trade. Wish we could have gotten more, but I'd do it again for a fourth.

Cushing at 15: Nobody else I'd rather take with the pick. I see Cushing as more a thumper who can shed the TE better than Matthews, and that's what our LB group really lacks.

Barwin at 46: I was really, really hoping we'd take Max Unger who went at 49.

Caldwell at 77: In do-over-land, I would have taken Unger at 46, so I couldn't really take Caldwell here. Instead, I'd take the best DE available: in my mind, that was Lawrence Sidbury (even though he didn't go until the 125th pick). If this was the only pick I could change--in other words, if I had to take the Cushing/Barwin picks as a given, I would absolutely not change this pick.

Quin at 112: Absolutely the right move to go DB here, but I preferred either D.J. Moore or Chip Vaughn (both taken in the next few picks). Between those two, I'd opt for Moore. I would not have gone RB here because a bunch were still on the board and we get another shot just ten picks later.

Hill at 122: For a couple hours on Sunday, I was hoping that maybe we thought we had drafted Andre Brown but mistakenly put his teammate's name on the card. This is where we should have taken an RB and Brown should have been our guy.

Casey at 152: Even with us taking Hill at 122, no way am I changing this pick. This guy is going to be one heck of a player. I think he, Cushing, Barwin and Caldwell bring a toughness and grit to this team that we've been really lacking.

McCain at 188/Nolan at 223: Now we're into the "who's he" portion of the draft. In my opinion, rounds 6 and 7 are pretty hit-and-miss, so they're pretty hard to critique. But if I was heading into round 6 without an RB, I'd take Jennings at 6 or 7. But in do-over-land where I got Brown at 122, I'll leave this picks alone.

So, if this were my draft, these would have been my picks:

1(15): Cushing
2(46): Max Unger
3(77): Lawrence Sidbury (but only because of Unger)
4(112): D.J. Moore
4(122): Andre Brown
5(152): Casey
6/7: McCain and Nolan
 
I really like the draft but a lot of my fondness for the second day picks comes simply from a trust of Smithiak. That being said, the one thing I'd like to see them do, particularly on the second day, is move around to get targeted players. Some teams play around with picks too much. However, there should be points in the 4th, 5th, 6th rounds where a guy is sitting there 10 picks in front of you that you really like... I'd like to see us jump up occasionally and get those guys. A move like that costs very little. Other than that, I love the way Smith runs the draft and the type of players he got.

By the way, I've never been so confident in a draft pick becoming a very good player as I am in the C. Barwin pick. Barring injury, he's going to pay off quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a better pure pass rusher than Mario in two years.
 
dalemurphy said:
I really like the draft but a lot of my fondness for the second day picks comes simply from a trust of Smithiak. That being said, the one thing I'd like to see them do, particularly on the second day, is move around to get targeted players. Some teams play around with picks too much. However, there should be points in the 4th, 5th, 6th rounds where a guy is sitting there 10 picks in front of you that you really like... I'd like to see us jump up occasionally and get those guys. A move like that costs very little. Other than that, I love the way Smith runs the draft and the type of players he got.

By the way, I've never been so confident in a draft pick becoming a very good player as I am in the C. Barwin pick. Barring injury, he's going to pay off quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a better pure pass rusher than Mario in two years.
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woooooo now............theres not 5 players in the entire league better than mario so thats def a stretch......I do think hes an unbelievable athlete with some uncanny ability that u cant coach......u either have it or u dont

but as far as the draft i dont really care one way or another....

I am not in love with it, but then again i dont hate it......for whatever thats worth
 
Quin is my favorite pick based on value.

I think Dale is refering to exactly the pure "specialist" sort of thing where if you a/b'd there techqnique and his ability to be effective on the downs he plays on he would be a better "pass rusher" whereas Mario is a better DE overall.

Having said that, I think he's nuts. 2 more years of developement and we may see Mario as the best in football. Don't forget, Williams has been playing 85 - 95% of the snaps over the last two years. With our imporved depth I could see him getting more rest and being even more dominant in the snaps that he plays.
 
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woooooo now............theres not 5 players in the entire league better than mario so thats def a stretch......I do think hes an unbelievable athlete with some uncanny ability that u cant coach......u either have it or u dont

but as far as the draft i dont really care one way or another....

I am not in love with it, but then again i dont hate it......for whatever thats worth
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I believe what he is saying is simply that Barwin's understanding of the game and technique may be better than Mario's in two years. Obviously, I doubt any of us expect Barwin to be "better" than Mario, because IMO Mario will be the best DE in the NFL in 1-2 years. He already contends for that role. But as TC said in her blog, teams love a player that gets double digit sacks in college. Teams really love a player that gets double digit sacks his first season playing the position!

barrett said:
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I'm curious what you like so much about Quin. I don't know much about him.
 
im happy with our draft.

i do worry about cushing proneness to injury. he'll be a good player when healthy

barwin might take a while but there is serious potential

caldwell is a great depth pick that probably will play (well) early on (even if its caused by an injury)

quin i like alot

the blocking te i like

casey is a useful player. nice backup for OD

brice runs fast. whether that means anything we'll see

& i like troy nolan alot. could be the first player to start out of our day 2 picks
 
no objections here. i think clay is the better fit for what we're looking for and we went safe with the first pick, but we got the positions and talent we needed in the defensive front 7, and got them at or ahead of their projected spots on the first day. we also got a center with much more ability to wall off bigger guys like henderson, along with my favorite in a potential centerfielder. our short yardage, redzone, and special teams got a lot stronger in the second day so i really dont have any complaints.

there arent any sexy picks, but we landed football players. how this draft turns out will be very reliant upon how good our coaching staff really is. i think it's going to be a charles spencer, owen daniels, steve slaton type draft in that we got gems to mold into monsters.
 
If I were to Mock the draft:

Round 1 pick 15 Alex Mack C Cal
Round 2 pick 46 Connor Barwin DE Cincinnati
Round 3 pick 77 Rashad Johnson FS Alabama
Round 4 pick 112 Andre Brown RB NC St.
Round 4 pick 122 Gerald McRath LB Southern Miss
Round 5 pick 152 Michael Hamlin SS Clemson
Round 6 pick 188 Coye Francies CB San Jose St.
Round 7 pick 223 Chris Baker DT Hampton
 
I like the 1-3 picks especially Cushing and Caldwell (I was tired of Myers getting pushed back like he was on rollerskates in the goal line).

All of the other picks, are just a wait and see game. Double TE's threw me through a loop.
 
No objections. I think they drafted as best they could in a poor draft. We're obviously better in the front seven with Cushing at SLB and Barwin in the rotation. Picked up depth in the OL which everyone agrees is a need. The two TE's look like BPA. Both bring some obvious talent and maybe Casey is insurance in case we lose Daniels. After that, it's just a roll of the dice.
 
I like this draft, it was a draft for us that was top heavy with guys that play with attitude and with energy. My motto for the Texans this year is to destroy the other team's natural love for the game, and with Cushing, Barwin and Caldwell we have three minions that will force their will on their subject in practice or during the game.

I really like the Barwin pick in the second - a Big East Power Forward who is a TE and Special Teams stalwart that turned into a pass rushing DE and immediately led the Big East in sacks. This is not Jason Babin, this is a guy you go to war with that executes his charge with extreme prejudice. I am extremely pumped to watch his development.

Anthony Hill - I was surprised to see him go in the 4th and felt he would have been on the board for us in the 5th. I understood the pick as he will be part of the RZ solution that this team solely needs. I felt this was Alex Gibbs pick.

Glover Quin - I am giving the FO the benefit of the doubt as I like the guys tape and build. However, he has been too injury prone, on paper, for my liking - broke right arm in 2004, groin surgery in 2007, knee surgery in 2008. I felt this was David Gibbs pick.

Casey - love the pick, would have loved it in the fourth. Gives us versatility, and will keep the DC thinking on the other side of the ball. We have been way too predictable in the RZ, and this could be a strong solution in that regard.

Picks 6 through 7 are development picks for the ST, anything that they do after the fact is gravy. If we can find gravy every other year with these picks then I am happy.

No RB in the draft? Does not really chap my hide as our passing attack, run blocking and RZ attack got incrementally better. Slaton and all of our RBs should be able to cut off their after game whirpool time by 5 minutes with the beef we will be able to stack up.

We got better on paper, now it is time for our coaches to do what they are paid to do. :texflag:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I like this draft, it was a draft for us that was top heavy with guys that play with attitude and with energy. My motto for the Texans this year is to destroy the other team's natural love for the game, and with Cushing, Barwin and Caldwell we have three minions that will force their will on their subject in practice or during the game.

I really like the Barwin pick in the second - a Big East Power Forward who is a TE and Special Teams stalwart that turned into a pass rushing DE and immediately led the Big East in sacks. This is not Jason Babin, this is a guy you go to war with that executes his charge with extreme prejudice. I am extremely pumped to watch his development.

Anthony Hill - I was surprised to see him go in the 4th and felt he would have been on the board for us in the 5th. I understood the pick as he will be part of the RZ solution that this team solely needs. I felt this was Alex Gibbs pick.

Glover Quin - I am giving the FO the benefit of the doubt as I like the guys tape and build. However, he has been too injury prone, on paper, for my liking - broke right arm in 2004, groin surgery in 2007, knee surgery in 2008. I felt this was David Gibbs pick.

Casey - love the pick, would have loved it in the fourth. Gives us versatility, and will keep the DC thinking on the other side of the ball. We have been way too predictable in the RZ, and this could be a strong solution in that regard.

Picks 6 through 7 are development picks for the ST, anything that they do after the fact is gravy. If we can find gravy every other year with these picks then I am happy.

No RB in the draft? Does not really chap my hide as our passing attack, run blocking and RZ attack got incrementally better. Slaton and all of our RBs should be able to cut off their after game whirpool time by 5 minutes with the beef we will be able to stack up.

We got better on paper, now it is time for our coaches to do what they are paid to do. :texflag:
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I think Barwin, Caldwell, and Hill monstrously upgrade our roster. They all fill spots where we were sorely lacking.

Barwin- we didn't have a speed rusher
Caldwell- Studdard was active last year, enough said. He also will clearly be the most physical interior linemen, other than Chester, on the team.
Hill- Bruener was too stiff to block on the second level last year and he was our only TE mauler.
 
Does anybody else think Hill might eventually translate to OT? Maybe I'm reading too much in to this, but everything I've read says he's basically a 3rd OT on the line. Isn't that what Gibbs likes to do, turn big TE's in to OT's?

Eh, either way, I'm satisfied with our draft. It's more of a wait and see approach.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Does anybody else think Hill might eventually translate to OT? Maybe I'm reading too much in to this, but everything I've read says he's basically a 3rd OT on the line. Isn't that what Gibbs likes to do, turn big TE's in to OT's?

Eh, either way, I'm satisfied with our draft. It's more of a wait and see approach.
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That's what I was thinking. The second I saw his name come up on TV, I wondered what his measurables were.
 
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