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Andre Johnson or Randy Moss ?

throwANDREtheBALL

throwANDREtheBALL

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I'd like to know who you guys think has more potential ?

Has Moss already hit his potential? Is Moss already on the decline?

I like Johnson since he's a lot tougher, stronger, NORMAL.

But, lets say both of these guys came out of college at the same time and we had to pick one.



I'd still take Johnson, how about you?



I just read this, and thought it was hilarious

"I think Randy exudes that kind of personality," Collins said. "He doesn't walk around like he's better than everyone else. I think he's going to be a good teammate." (Kerry Collins on new teammate Randy Moss)


I always had a feeling Kerry was a SPECIAL person, now I have proof.
 
I may be a HUGE texans fan... but lets be realistic... Moss is probably hands down the best reciever.. and yes im including owens... I mean... anybody who can make Culpepper look good has my vote.. And despite how Johnson is more of a "team player" and had a better attitude than moss... I'd still rather have Moss..

Moss can win a game on his own... The fact of the matter is that johnson .. despite what everyone here thinks.. cannot :penguin:

Even the dancing penguin agrees with me =p
 
"Moss can win a game on his own... The fact of the matter is that johnson .. despite what everyone here thinks.. cannot "

dude we must not be watching the same games. did u not watch the minnesota game in which AJ nearly won the game for us and put us in overtime or the Kansas city game which if AJ did not make those crazy catches we wouldnt have won. he does win games and anyways the question asked comin outa college not based on what there stats are now so if u still wanna take moss over AJ comin outa college thats cool but i dont see how its even fair to compare AJ and moss now of course moss is better but in time AJ will be the best hes only been in the league comin on 3 years now. but wow i totally disagree with that post.
 
they both command respect.
IF Moss wants to play.. IMO.. he is the best at this point
Dre... is more consistant.. Dre will block and do the little things.. Dre could be better than Moss. If Dre would be in Minnesota's system, it would be scary also

no one can confuse.these groups
Chris Carter,Randy Moss and Jake Reed
Andre Johnson, Bradford and Gaffney
 
If AJ had a number #2 WR to take some defenders and Carr had his Oline AJ would rewrite the record books. How many times has there been a thread like this?
 
Moss, all the way. Andre is my favorite receiver, but Moss is amazing. Moss strikes fear in the heart of any defender, AJ may some, but give him a few more years. Moss has just blow me away in every game I have seen him play.
 
WpgTexansFan said:
I may be a HUGE texans fan... but lets be realistic... Moss is probably hands down the best reciever.. and yes im including owens... I mean... anybody who can make Culpepper look good has my vote.. And despite how Johnson is more of a "team player" and had a better attitude than moss... I'd still rather have Moss..

Moss can win a game on his own... The fact of the matter is that johnson .. despite what everyone here thinks.. cannot :penguin:

Even the dancing penguin agrees with me =p
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What's your beef with Culpepper, he is a very good QB. Last year when Moss was out he was sill getting it done and he had a great season, the only problem is Manning had the best season of any qb so no one noticed. Culpepper made the progression from a running qb to a passing qb who only runs when he has to.
 
Wasn't Cullpeper the one who threw for the most yards last season? If so, then he must be bad. Also, didn't Randy miss a couple of games too? Yet Cullpeper still got those yards.
 
throwANDREtheBALL said:
I'd like to know who you guys think has more potential ?

Has Moss already hit his potential? Is Moss already on the decline?

I like Johnson since he's a lot tougher, stronger, NORMAL.

But, lets say both of these guys came out of college at the same time and we had to pick one.



I'd still take Johnson, how about you?
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Moss has hit his full potential at this point. But, I seriously doubt more than 2 or 3 head coaches wouldn't choose Moss if they didn't have to deal with off-field stuff and wanted to win the game next weekend. Now that said, AJ is also a freakish athlete--not the same kind--a more physical but possibly less instinctual freakish athlete who has the potential to be as gamebreaking. At this point head's up I would take AJ for longevity and personality. If they came out of college at the same time I don't honestly know, but can say I wanted AJ over Rogers.
 
Moss is the best WR when he is motived and thats the problem. If he had the drive that Jerry Rice, Tim Brown or Steve Largent had he could have had a 2000 yard recieving season. When Moss wants to play he is the most unstopable force in the NFL. While AJ is an incredible physial speciemen, he doesn't have all the tools that Moss has. But AJ does have a better work ethic, he has shown this when he runs over defenders and fights for the ball. And thanks to that, AJ might just end up being the better WR when all is said and done.
 
I can break this down....

Better TALENT: Moss
Better Attitude: AJ
Better Teammate: AJ

I mean just on talent and football playing ability Moss is better. AJ is a top 5 WR but when Moss wants to play nobody comes close. However the key word there is WHEN. If you are looking for consistentcy which I would rather have I'd go with AJ.

But let's face it if you put them both in a draft together....9 out of 10 would go Moss.
 
Moss is the best there is.

If these two were coming out of college, everyone would take Randy. He makes Ferrote look like a pro bowler, and put Daunte on a whole new level, which he doesn't touch when Radny isn't in the lineup
 
Texas_Thrill said:
But let's face it if you put them both in a draft together....9 out of 10 would go Moss.
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Hindsight is wonderful and all, but demonstrably wrong. Moss was the 21st pick in his draft, i.e. 20 teams had opportunities to draft him and didn't, and Kevin Dyson was picked at WR above him--poor choice but demonstrates what GM's thought of Moss coming out of college. And before you say, but that was a great draft for other positions, these distinguished players were drafted before him--Terry Fair, Robert Edwards, Brian Simmons, Jason Peter, etc. plus of course Ryan Leaf (but that's a freebee).
 
WpgTexansFan said:
I may be a HUGE texans fan... but lets be realistic... Moss is probably hands down the best reciever.. and yes im including owens... I mean... anybody who can make Culpepper look good has my vote.. And despite how Johnson is more of a "team player" and had a better attitude than moss... I'd still rather have Moss..

Moss can win a game on his own... The fact of the matter is that johnson .. despite what everyone here thinks.. cannot :penguin:

Even the dancing penguin agrees with me =p
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Your head must hurt after that post. Moss is the best receiver in the league? Made Culpepper look good? Moss can win a game on his own? Did the Vikes go anywhere after the "Randy Factor"? Did Culpepper show how great his skills were BEFORE Moss? Did Moss win the Vikes any playoff games? Did Moss cause turmoil in the locker room with his attitude and show his *** on every occassion that presented itself? I'll take 'Dre any day of the week. He shows himself as a man and lets his play speak for itself. The NFL(and sports in general) can do with a lot less Moss type showboat jerkoffs and a lot more AJ types who let the plays do the talking and get down to business. I'm glad the Texans don't have any showboaters. It's one thing to celebrate a big play. It's another to celebrate a play that you should've made in the 1st place. There are too many players out there celebrating their "spontaneously" well-rehearsed "dances" before the play is even over. I hope Moss enjoys his time in Raider hell. He became a journeyman wide receiver, who will work for several teams and never live up to expectations, because of his selfish nature. Kinda like TO and his tenure with the Eagles.
 
WIth Dre, you don't have to worry about him running over police officers and pretending to pull his pants down in the endzone
 
Randy Moss is the better reciever right now. You cannot even compare Randy Moss to other receivers in the league, because there is no one like him in the league right now. If Moss had a better attitude and could keep himself healthy he is the only one that could challenge J. Rice's records.

Andre Johnson is a great receiver but you should compare him to a T.O. without the attitude. He is pretty much the same receiver as TO and will definately be better than TO in the long run.
 
What about a boxing match?? I'd take Andre

But seriously, when someone is so poor of a human being, that Moss was taken as low in the first round as he was. Even though every KNEW he was hands down the best player / talent / value comming out in possibly...oh since Jerry Rice. That should tell you guys something.
 
DocBar said:
Made Culpepper look good?

Did Culpepper show how great his skills were BEFORE Moss?
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Umm, I dislike Moss about as bad as I do Owens, and I like Culpeper pretty well. But Culpeper has always had Moss, Randal Cunningham was the Vikes QB when Moss was drafted. Moss can make just about any QB with an exceptionaly strong arm look good though, I must admit. Vick would be the total package (or seem as such) if he had Moss. (but I don't know if he'd throw the ball to Moss, I think Moss would probably go overboard with the Ron Mexico jokes with him, I know I would)
 
throwANDREtheBALL said:
I'd like to know who you guys think has more potential ?

Has Moss already hit his potential? Is Moss already on the decline?

I like Johnson since he's a lot tougher, stronger, NORMAL.

But, lets say both of these guys came out of college at the same time and we had to pick one.



I'd still take Johnson, how about you?





I just read this, and thought it was hilarious

"I think Randy exudes that kind of personality," Collins said. "He doesn't walk around like he's better than everyone else. I think he's going to be a good teammate." (Kerry Collins on new teammate Randy Moss)


I always had a feeling Kerry was a SPECIAL person, now I have proof.
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If they came out at the same time. Would have to go with Moss. Moss has Better hands and is better route runner than AJ. AJ still needs to work on his curls and button hooks he still drops passes running those routes. But as for attitude AJ hands down:thumbup
 
WpgTexansFan said:
Moss can win a game on his own... The fact of the matter is that johnson .. despite what everyone here thinks.. cannot :penguin:
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Say what? In America, football is known as a TEAM sport. If what you type was true, the Vikes would have been in the Super Bowl.....and won. So please, explain again how Moss wins games ON HIS OWN? :loser
 
Texan Dave said:
Umm, I dislike Moss about as bad as I do Owens, and I like Culpeper pretty well. But Culpeper has always had Moss, Randal Cunningham was the Vikes QB when Moss was drafted. Moss can make just about any QB with an exceptionaly strong arm look good though, I must admit. Vick would be the total package (or seem as such) if he had Moss. (but I don't know if he'd throw the ball to Moss, I think Moss would probably go overboard with the Ron Mexico jokes with him, I know I would)
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I feel like a great big dummy now!!!!
 
The Titans took Kevin Dyson over Moss because they preferred Dyson's character.

Think they regret it? I would bet yes.
 
WpgTexansFan said:
I may be a HUGE texans fan... but lets be realistic... Moss is probably hands down the best reciever.. and yes im including owens... I mean... anybody who can make Culpepper look good has my vote.. And despite how Johnson is more of a "team player" and had a better attitude than moss... I'd still rather have Moss..

Moss can win a game on his own... The fact of the matter is that johnson .. despite what everyone here thinks.. cannot :penguin:

Even the dancing penguin agrees with me =p
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Hey, When was the last time Moss kicked a 43 yard game winning FG in a Super Bowl? Oh forgot he has never been to a SB :hmmm: No player has won a SB by himself!
Football is the ultimate team sport! 11 players on D, 11 on O and 11 on Special Teams
 
Corey Dillon had never been to a Super Bowl either but that didn't stop the Patriots (who already had 2 Super Bowls w/o Dillon) from trading for him (despite his past character issues).
 
that's funny.........your comparing Dillon's "attitude" to Moss'.

Isn't that like saying Oscar the Grouch is as GAY as Ernie and Burt?

To me that just doesn't make sense man. Not even close.

And to all the guys posting that CULPEPPER sucks......have you ever watched him play a game lately ? If I was building a team, I'd rather have him than Carr any day. Daunte threw for the most yards in the whole NFL. And some are saying he sucks ? So are you guys playing old Madden football games when his accuracy was low or something? Cuz he has one of the strongest arms in the league. And he's one of the hardest QBs to sack that's ever played the game. I wish Carr was more like that. Sometimes I think he needs to bulk up to Culpepper's size, just so he doesn't get killed.
 
I think it's safe to say that no WR will ever reach Randy's talent level. In fact I garuntee it. There will never be a more talented WR than Randy Moss, it just can't happen.

Someone already said this, but if Randy TRUELY wanted to, he could break all of Rice's records, but he doesn't want to.
 
I would have to say Andre is better because, 1, he hasnt even come close to hitting his prime talent,2, Andre hasnt had a good QB throwing to him and finally number 3, David Carr doesnt always pass to Andre like Culpepper does to Moss.
 
DominickDavisFan76 said:
I would have to say Andre is better because, 1, he hasnt even come close to hitting his prime talent,2, Andre hasnt had a good QB throwing to him and finally number 3, David Carr doesnt always pass to Andre like Culpepper does to Moss.
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I agree with number 1, but carr is a good QB with a strong arm and good acuracy so to say carr isnt good isnt fair until u put him behing minn. O-line. and ur 3 saying carr doesnt pass to andre like culpepper does to moss isnt even an arguement if carr had at least 3 seconds in the pocket OR andre wasnt in double coverage he would be open more i can guarentee u that carr looks at andre before he looks to passing to anyone else.
 
Pound for pound, I take 'Dre every time. "Dre hasn't begun to reach his full potential & when he gets a viable #2 next to him you'll see the defensive focus shift to the other reciever enough to net him more touches. I can't stand a player that takes plays "off" too. Moss is nowhere NEAR the blocker 'Dre is either. I watched "Dre in a practice session his rookie year come from his WR spot on a running play & "earhole" then LB Jay Foreman, putting him on his backside. After seeing that I knew he was gonna be something special. The one & only attribute I think Moss holds over 'Dre is that he has softer hands. IMO I think everything about Moss is soft...
BTW, why would Moss not WANT to break all of Rice's records?
 
coach jim are u a coach at pasadena?, and by the way good post but i dont think Dre has soft of hands as moss but will get there in time i think his concentration is better than moss with the ball is in the air.
 
infantrycak said:
Hindsight is wonderful and all, but demonstrably wrong. Moss was the 21st pick in his draft, i.e. 20 teams had opportunities to draft him and didn't, and Kevin Dyson was picked at WR above him--poor choice but demonstrates what GM's thought of Moss coming out of college. And before you say, but that was a great draft for other positions, these distinguished players were drafted before him--Terry Fair, Robert Edwards, Brian Simmons, Jason Peter, etc. plus of course Ryan Leaf (but that's a freebee).
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Most agreed and insightful. Not to mention the fact that AJ has not had to many long jump balls launched for him by David Carr. However, when he has had them he usually came down with a spectaclar catch ala Moss, so don't discount AJ's TALENT in receiving. Plus, AJ has the ability to knock a receiver's helmet off during a block or on open field run to the goal line. Also, everyone soon forgets that Moss had Cris Carter as his veteran mentor and not Corey Bradford. CB for crying out loud on an expansion club no less!
 
TopTexanFan16 said:
coach jim are u a coach at pasadena?, and by the way good post but i dont think Dre has soft of hands as moss but will get there in time i think his concentration is better than moss with the ball is in the air.
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Yes, with the Pasadena Bears - a little league team in TIFI (Texas Intercity Football Inc.)
 
No WR can win a game by himself. Someone HAS to get them the ball that's why you rarely if ever see one win a MVP. They also usually dont get more than 6 or so touches a game.

Let's face it though. If any of those teams knew Moss would have the Rookie year he did. He would have went #2.
 
AJ is on the upside of his career, Moss is on the downside of his career. plus AJ would never just walk off the field without his team like moss did. now i'm not saying moss isn't good, he is. he's truly a great receiver. but i'd still take AJ over Moss. Moss and T.O. for that matter are both great receivers, but they have the worst attitudes and are selfish. i'm sorry, but i just hate those attitudes and AJ is more of a team player.
 
I love AJ. But Moss aka "superman" cannot be denied. To say moss is not a team player is just not a valid point. We can all justly say he does wear his emotions on his sleeves for all to see. But give me a break he loves to win and knows he needs a quarterback to do so. The guy is firery and loves to succeed. And gets into the head of every opponent leaving them thinking if I let this guy do what he wants hes gonna burn me and leave me looking like a fool with an endzone dance. And god knows I've been inspired to pull my pants down in celebration for far less causes than a TD. Oh and lets not forget a loss in Green Bay results in a fool moon by a bunch of overweight drunks as you drive away in the team bus. This has happen to moss in the past. And if he loses to them again it will happen once again in the future.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Let's face it though. If any of those teams knew Moss would have the Rookie year he did. He would have went #2.
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EVERYONE knew he was going to be an imediate impact upon the NFL. NOBODY wanted him because of his attitude, lifestyle, and the way he just flat out is. One of the main contributing factors of him getting picked by Minisota at all was the fact that his brother was a starting ofensive tackle for Minisota at the time he was drafted. The Vikings thought that with his brother on the team that it would help them keep Randy under control.
 
This year could make or break Moss. He wasn't even in the top 30 last year. His rookie year he averaged 19 yards per catch, in 2000 was 18.7, and hasn't averaged 16 yards per catch since. Only made 767 yards last year. If you look at Moss last 4 years, vs. AJs two years, you might want AJ. They'd be pretty close, AJ might win.

I think Moss makes some spectacular catches, but...

Inconsistent is the right label for Moss. Declining is also a possible label for him. In the long run, I think the work ethic increases the apparent talent.
 
This will have bias written all over it. A.J. is my favorite player in the entire NFL. His work ethics, the talent he's shown up to now considering the limited throws he got from a QB that's under pressure almost every snap and thus not getting the ball thrown to him as much, the potential that he still posesses, his mind set.....all of these are all reasons as to why he's my favorite player in the entire NFL. Sure it helps that he's also a Texan but the kid is just a great model for sports. Andre the Giant is what he'll be known by...just give it time. :thumbup This kid is going places and damn I'm so excited to see him succeed as one of the best if not the best WR in the sport of football.
 
rdbrem said:
This year could make or break Moss. He wasn't even in the top 30 last year. His rookie year he averaged 19 yards per catch, in 2000 was 18.7, and hasn't averaged 16 yards per catch since. Only made 767 yards last year. If you look at Moss last 4 years, vs. AJs two years, you might want AJ. They'd be pretty close, AJ might win.

I think Moss makes some spectacular catches, but...

Inconsistent is the right label for Moss. Declining is also a possible label for him. In the long run, I think the work ethic increases the apparent talent.
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He's has 9142 yards & 90 TD's in his first 7 yrs. The best the best in history & only trails Rice's 93 for TD's.

He missed 5 games last year & that was the first time in career his missed games. He still had 13 TD's more then Johnson.

You can have your yards per catch. Let's look at 2003.

111 catches, 1632 yards, & 17 Td's. The first receiver in history to average 100 yards a game & a TD also.

Now I like Andre Johnson a whole lot & he's on his way to entering the top 5 of wide out's in the game but to even form your lips to say he's better then Moss is straight homerism.

I also know prior to last season, since 98' he led all receivers in converting 3rd catches into first downs. Talk about a guy being inconsistent.

Pretty good for a decline who just turned 28 years old. Well past his prime.
 
sure moss can win a game on his own and is the most uncoverable WR in the game, but i would take AJ over moss simply bc i wouldnt wanna have a clown/*****/distraction aka. randy moss in my locker room. AJ can put up good enough numbers and he wont act like a fool.
 
Truth, the only way you can take AJ over Randy Moss is if you can't take Moss's attitude. If you want pure skill, Moss, no brainer.
 
rdbrem said:
This year could make or break Moss. He wasn't even in the top 30 last year. His rookie year he averaged 19 yards per catch, in 2000 was 18.7, and hasn't averaged 16 yards per catch since. Only made 767 yards last year. If you look at Moss last 4 years, vs. AJs two years, you might want AJ. They'd be pretty close, AJ might win.

I think Moss makes some spectacular catches, but...

Inconsistent is the right label for Moss. Declining is also a possible label for him. In the long run, I think the work ethic increases the apparent talent.
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and by the way lol... I know were Texans fans here and pulling for AJ but, that post is hilarious. Comparing AJ to Moss.. get real peeps.
 
Randy Moss is the better reciever RIGHT NOW, but if your on a long term plan or you're planning for the future AJ is the better reciever and better choice. I gaurantee you that Most GMs in this league would select AJ over Moss right now, the only teams that would take Moss over AJ are teams that feel they are on the bubble and have to win RIGHT NOW, like oakland. Oakland signed another aging vetern qb and have signed many older FA's over the past seasons and have put themselves in the "got to win now" mold. Also I find it absolutely ridiculous people question Culpepper's ability and automaticly give Moss all the credit in his success. Culpepper has put the ball in the place where Moss could make a play on the ball and thats all you can ask your qb to do and he shouldn't be punished for it. When Moss was injured, Culpepper still got the job done, which is the reason why minosota felt more than comfortable in letting Moss go. If it wasn't for the year that Manning put up, Culpepper would of been a serious MVP canidate and instead of us talking about the year peyten had everyone would be singing the praises of Culpepper. I think Moss is really going to miss Culpepper this year and I'm expecting him to take a step back this year. Collins can throw a good deep ball, but for every good pass he makes, there are a equal amount of horrible ones.
 
yeah well he can walk off the field before the games over when he's with the raiders if he wants, but he wont do it to us, cause he'll never play for us, THANK GOD !
 
How are you gonna sit here and say Culpepper really helped Moss? Was it nice to have a probowl QB? Sure. Do you forget when Culpepper was out, Moss tore people up with 2nd, 3rd string QB's. Collins can throw a nice deep ball, so Moss's numbers will not go down, sorry. As for long term potential, it's still Moss miles ahead of AJ. I would rather have AJ, because of Moss's attitude, and thats the only thing/reason you can pick AJ over him.
 
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