Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!

2009 Gosselin Draft Coverage

Errant Hothy

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
As is tradition I'll be doing my best to post all of Rick Gosselin's draft information for the board to see, digest and discuss.

For those who don't know who Rick Gosselin is; well to put it bluntly he's the king of the Mock Draft. For the last several years his third, and final, mock draft has been the most accurate of all mock drafts. He does this not by devouring hours and hours of tape, but by having a vast array of contacts that don't blow too much smoke at him this time of year (he quards these contacts religously). Or in other words, that man has more truthful insider inforamtion then anybody else.

So here we go!

Gosselin's post-Combine Top 10:

1. Aaron Curry
OLB, Wake Forest

2. Michael Crabtree
WR, Texas Tech

3. Matthew Stafford
QB, Georgia

4. Jason Smith
OT, Baylor

5. B.J. Raji
DT, Boston College

6. Jeremy Maclin
WR, Missouri

7. Eugene Monroe
OT, Virginia

8. Peria Jerry
DT, Mississippi

9. Mark Sanchez
QB, Southern California

10. Malcolm Jenkins
CB, Ohio State
Click to expand...

Link:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...ories/030109dnsponflcombinetop10.39e1468.html

NFL scouting combine review – Going down

1. Speed
East Carolina running back Chris Johnson blazed a 4.24-second 40-yard dash at the 2008 combine, propelling himself into the first round of the draft. Twenty-one players broke 4.40 in their 40s at the final combine at the RCA Dome last February. In the first combine at Lucas Oil Stadium last month, four players broke 4.40 and none broke 4.30. Which was it – a slow track or slow players?

2. Guards

3. Carolina Panthers

4. Andre Smith
OT, Alabama
Click to expand...

Link:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon.../stories/030109dnsponflgoingdown.39e2c6e.html

NFL scouting combine review – Going up

1. David Bruton
S, Notre Dame

The draft is all about measurables – and few players showed off their measurables like Notre Dame's only representative at the combine. The NFL already knew Bruton (6-2, 219) has the size to play at the next level. Then he gave the NFL the best workout by any safety at the combine with a 4.46-second timing in the 40-yard dash and a vertical jump of 41½ inches. Only one safety was faster and none jumped better. Size and speed always get rewarded on draft day.

2. Wake Forest

3. Kickoffs

4. Centers
The first center didn't go in the 2008 draft until the end of the second round. The first center could pop up toward the end of the first round this year. This is the best center class in years, with a handful of good ones – Max Unger of Oregon, Alex Mack of Cal, Eric Wood of Louisville and Jonathan Luigs of Arkansas.
Click to expand...

Link:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...in/stories/030109dnsponflgoingup.39e444b.html

There are some other odds and ends at the Dallas Morning News' site, like an intersting article about how this year's draft will end a streak of 14 draft that a Miami player was choosen in the first round (link - http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...elin/stories/030109dnspogosselin.39dd48d.html ). Other then that I'll post the more relevant info (position breakdows and such) when Gosselin does.
 
A goor read on the USC LB corps.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...elin/stories/040509dnspogosselin.374cc1b.html

Rick Gosselin said:
There have been better college football teams than the 2008 Southern California Trojans. But there has never been a better set of linebackers on a college team.

Brian Cushing, Rey Maualuga, Kaluka Maiava and Clay Matthews gave Southern California a quartet second to none last football season. Come April, you probably can declare them the best set of linebackers in NCAA history.
Click to expand...

Rick Gosselin said:
"These guys were pros before they were pros," said Southern California linebackers coach Ken Norton of his troops.

The four linebackers finished 1-2-3-4 on the Trojans in tackles last season. Maualuga (6-2, 249) led the way with 79. He also led the linebackers with two interceptions. He was the point man of this defense in every possible way.

"He's really intimidating," Norton said. "He attacks the line and demolishes it. He's wild. He's like a bulldozer coming into town that blows it up, leaving nothing but smoke. We send him in first just to tear the place up, then we send in the other guys to clean up. No one attacks the line of scrimmage the way Rey does."

Cushing (6-3, 243) was second on the team in tackles with 73 but first in tackles for losses with 10½. He also led the linebacking corps with six passes broken up.

"He's the toughest guy you've ever met," Norton said. "He's the symbol of toughness. He plays injured. He's the leader; he'll speak to everyone. Everyone loves him. He practices as hard as you can possibly practice.

"He takes everything personal. He would never come in second. He's very serious about who he is and what he wants to do. He has it all mapped out what he wants to get done in life."

Matthews, the son of former Pro Bowl linebacker Clay Matthews and a walk-on at Southern California, spent 2007 as Cushing's backup. But he was too talented to be a part-time player, so the Trojans made him an edge pass-rusher in 2008, giving Southern California a 3-4 look to its defensive front.

Matthews (6-3, 240) finished fourth on the team in tackles with 56 and led the linebackers with 4½ sacks. He also led the linebackers with two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries.

"We've always known how great Clay is," Norton said. "But the world hasn't known. He's been behind Brian his whole career. So we moved him outside this year and he really took off. He's special. He has a lot of things that the others don't have. They all have their certain special qualities."
Click to expand...

Rick Gosselin said:
Maiava (5-11, 229) was Southern California's special teams player of the year in 2005 and 2006. He finished third on the Trojans in tackles last season with 66.

"He doesn't have the prototype size for a linebacker," Norton said. "But he's the most consistent and most durable of all of them. He's never hurt. He's really good behind the line. He was my best pass rusher and my best tackler. He plays all the special teams and is very instinctive. He reminds me a lot of Lofa Tatupu."
Click to expand...
 
danger6 said:
Gosselin's First 2009 Mock:

15. Houston Texans: Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...lin/stories/041109dnspomockdraft.24fa77e.html
Click to expand...

I mentioned this as a possibility a few weeks back. Ayers has really been flying up some people's boards recently. I've seen some mocks with him as a top 10 pick. Most mocks have him in the 2nd.

It worries me that he's just a guy that turned it on to get paid and that he may turn into a slug once he gets some cash.
 
BTW, I was just listening to "Path to the Draft" and Mike Mayock mentioned that looking back on this draft 3 years from now, Ayers will be the best defensive player taken this draft. Take it for what it is worth.
 
I don't see this happening - this guys an Antonio Smith clone who's maybe slightly quicker off the edge. But clearly this 15th pick wouldn't see much starting time at DE with Mario & A.Smith also on the roster.
And the Chiefs taking a 4-3 WIL at #3 overall for their new 3-4 D scheme -
horsedung, time for Gosselin to retire.
 
The guy has been pretty accurate over the years. I think rotating with Smith makes perfect sense...I'd rather have Mathews....orakpo in range with the eleventh selection.....

The number is twenty five....that's how many sacks we generated in '08. they have to move that number up. what ever they got to do. That and the green zone numbers have to move up if they have a shot at wining the division. And getting from twnety five to plus thirty will not be easy. But that's what they have to do to move into "contender" range.
 
Vinny said:
I was PM'ing Jgl35 and we were discussing the Eagles and Texans drafts and told him that I liked Ayers since he can really be dominant at times....I'd love to see him here coming off the edge. I tend to watch more SEC ball than any other conference and think he will be a player in the league.
Click to expand...

The scary thing about him is that he looks like a 1-year wonder. He's really been racing up the boards recently. Mayock has him as a top 10 talent.

I wouldn't be upset if we picked him although I imagine some people would blast us for reaching if we did.
 
TTP

If Kubes & Bush are serious about playing pressure defense they need to get atleast 1 speed rushing DE, a fast Sam that can play opposite Adibi & provide pressure offf the edge & a DT like Roy Miller or Baker to help clog the running lanes. A CB with speed to replace Petey would also help.

I think they can add these pieces & a RB but if we spend draft choices on defense we are going to miss out on one of the best interior OL classes I've seen. Oh well that's the price Kubes has to pay to fix this putrid defense so be it.

That's why I'm for trading down if possible to add more picks so that we can draft Luigs or Caldwell in rds 3-4

This is also why I hope they pick Sidbury and Barwin or Mathews, they add much needed speed @ positions where it needs to be added Sam & DE.

If they add this you will see a much improved Mario & Okoye.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The scary thing about him is that he looks like a 1-year wonder. He's really been racing up the boards recently. Mayock has him as a top 10 talent.

I wouldn't be upset if we picked him although I imagine some people would blast us for reaching if we did.
Click to expand...

That is why I hope thy take Barwin. Hard working team oriented guy who runns a 4.47 40 @ 260 lbs.

Can you say stud?

Reminds me of Jared Allen
 
Wide Reciever rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...tories/041209dnsponfldraftseries.3d6361e.html

Player School Ht. Wt.
Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6-1 215
- Noteworthy: 2-time Biletnikoff winner

Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6-0 198
- Noteworthy: 13 TD catches in 2008

Percy Harvin Florida 5-11 192
- Noteworthy: 4.39 speed in 40

Darrius Heyward-Bey Maryland 6-1½ 210
- Noteworthy: 4.25 speed in 40

Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6-0½ 212
- Noteworthy: 1,222 yards in 2008

Kenny Britt Rutgers 6-2½ 218
- Noteworthy: 14 career 100-yard games

Brian Robiskie Ohio State 6-2½ 209
- Noteworthy: 24 career TD catches

Mohamed Massaquoi Georgia 6-1½ 210
- Noteworthy: 2,282 career yards

Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma 6-0½ 210
- Noteworthy: 202 career catches

Louis Murphy Florida 6-2 203
- Noteworthy: 16.2-yard career avg.

Mike Wallace Mississippi 6-0 199
- Noteworthy: 4.28 speed in the 40

Patrick Turner Southern California 6-5 223
- Noteworthy: 15.1-yard avg. in 2008

Derrick Williams Penn State 5-11½ 194
- Noteworthy: 4-year starter

Johnny Knox Abilene Christian 5-11½ 185
- Noteworthy: 4.29 speed in 40

Mike Thomas Arizona 5-7½ 195
- Noteworthy: 11 career 100-yard games

Potential first-round draft picks in bold.
Click to expand...

Overall grade 10 out of 10

It's the deepest position in this draft.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
Hoth-Boy said:
I thought there were some other interesting picks in there as well.

- Davis before Jenkins
Regardless of Jenkins' 40 time at the combine, he is still unanimously considered to be the best DB in the draft. Add Davis' character concerns to that and I don't see how anyone would choose Davis with Jenkins still on the board.

- Cushing being the last of the USC LBs to get drafted
Most likely on this list to happen, I think. I think Matthews will get drafted first because of his potential ceiling (could be us at #15), then Maualuga will go to a team in need of a ILB (Den at #18 maybe). I think Cushing will go right after the other two.

- Donald Brown in the 1st
Philly is really interested in him. I could see him going #28.
Click to expand...

My thoughts...
 
Cornerback rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...tories/041309dnsponfldraftseries.41a7220.html

Player School Ht. Wt. Noteworthy
Malcolm Jenkins Ohio St 6-0 204
- Noteworty: Thorpe Award winner

Vontae Davis Illinois 5-11 203
- Noteworty: 4.40 speed in the 40

Darius Butler Connecticut 5-10 183
- Noteworty: 4-year starter

Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5-9 193
- Noteworty: 21 career interceptions

Jairus Byrd Oregon 5-10 207
- Noteworty: Son of former NFL CB Gill Byrd

Sean Smith Utah 6-3 ½ 214
- Noteworty: Biggest corner in the draft

Kevin Barnes Maryland 6-0 187
- Noteworty: 4.45 speed in the 40

Bradley Fletcher Iowa 6-0 196
- Noteworty: 152 career tackles

Jerraud Powers Auburn 5-9 188
- Noteworty: 16 career passes broken up

Chris Owens San Jose St. 5-9 ½ 181
- Noteworty: 13 career interceptions

Asher Allen Georgia 5-9 ½ 194
- Noteworty: Also returns kickoffs

Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6-0 ½ 208
- Noteworty: Started 47 college games

Coye Francies San Jose St. 6-0 185
- Noteworty: Oregon State transfer

Brandon Hughes Oregon St 5-10 ½ 182
- Noteworty: 4.40 speed in the 40

D.J. Moore Vanderbilt 5-8 ½ 192
- Noteworty: Two-time All-SEC

Potential first-round draft picks in bold.
Click to expand...

Overall grade 6 out of 10

There's plenty of size and speed on the cornerback board but so few of the prospects have both.
Click to expand...
 
Ayers looks like a natural RDE to me, question is does he fit the "impact" role so often referred to from Texans?

Krocket is right about Mayock comment, so there is some juice behind the pick that could be gaining favor, still seems like a high reward high risk move. can the Texans sustain such a hit if he busts? I suppose so, maybe they feel he would have enough support in place to make his transition easier however I would want more of a sure thing with the 1st then a developmental pass rusher in 2nd. I think Sintim is the perfect guy to develop or even English out of that 2nd grouping.
 
Tight End rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...t/stories/041409dnspodraftseries.35835cd.html

Player School Ht. Wt.
Brandon Pettigrew Okla St 6-5 263
- Noteworthy: 4-year starter

Jared Cook S. Carolina 6-4 ½ 246
- Noteworthy: 4.49 speed in the 40

Chase Coffman Missouri 6-5 ½ 244
- Noteworthy: Mackey Award winner

Shawn Nelson So. Miss 6-5 240
- Noteworthy: 4.52 speed in the 40

James Casey Rice 6-3 246
- Noteworthy: Former baseball player

Travis Beckum Wisconsin 6-3 243
- Noteworthy: 7 career 100-yard games

Cornelius Ingram Florida 6-3 ½ 245
- Noteworthy: Missed 2008 with torn ACL

Richard Quinn NoCar 6-3 ½ 264
- Noteworthy: Heaviest TE in draft

McKenna Pascoe Fresno St 6-5 251
- Noteworthy: Nickname is "Bear"

Anthony Hill NC St 6-5 262
- Noteworthy: Missed 2007 with torn ACL

Davon Drew East Car 6-3 ½ 256
- Noteworthy: 16.2-yard average in 2008

Zach Miller Neb-Omaha 6-4 233
- Noteworthy: Former quarterback

Rob Myers Utah St. 6-3 243
- Noteworthy: Missed 2008 with toe injury

Cameron Morrah Cal 6-3 244
- Noteworthy: 8 TD catches in 2008

Dan Gronkowski Maryland 6-5 ½ 255
- Noteworthy: 3-time academic All-ACC

Potential first-round picks in bold.
Click to expand...

Overall grade 8 out of 10.

NFL teams will be able to find receiving tight ends deep into the second day. But those looking for blocking tight ends better scoop them up in a hurry
Click to expand...
 
Defensive Line rankings:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...stories/041509dnspodraftseriesdl.36505a5.html

Rk., Pos., Player School Ht. Wt.
T B.J. Raji BC 6-1 ½ 337
- Noteworthy: Biggest DT in the draft

E Tyson Jackson LSU 6-4
- Noteworthy: 296 Best 3-4 DE in the draft

E Aaron Maybin Penn St. 6-3 ½ 249
- Noteworthy: 12 sacks in 2008

E Brian Orakpo Texas 6-3 249
- Noteworthy: 4.63 speed in the 40

T Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6-1 ½ 299
- Noteworthy: 18 tackles for losses led SEC

T Ziggy Hood Missouri 6-2 ½ 300
- Noteworthy: 170 career tackles

E Robert Ayers Tenn. 6-3 272
- Noteworthy: Senior Bowl defensive MVP

E Connor Barwin Cinn. 6-3 ½ 256
- Noteworthy: 4.59 speed in the 40

T Jarron Gilbert San Jose 6-5 288
- Noteworthy: 4.81 speed in the 40

E Everette Brown Fla. St. 6-1 ½ 256
- Noteworthy: 13 ½ sacks in 2008

E Larry English No. Ill. 6-2 255
- Noteworthy: Four-year starter

E Paul Kruger Utah 6-4 263
- Noteworthy: Former high school QB

E Michael Johnson Ga. Tech 6-6 ½ 266
- Noteworthy: 38 ½-inch vertical jump

T Alex Magee Purdue 6-2 ½ 298
- Noteworthy: Also played DE in 2007

E Cody Brown Conn 6-2 244
- Noteworthy: 11 sacks in 2008

Potential first-round picks in bold
Click to expand...

Overall grade 7 out of 10.

I'm not sure I've ever seen so many 6-2, 4.80 pass rushers in one draft. The quantity far exceeds the quality.
Click to expand...
 
beerlover said:
Ayers looks like a natural RDE to me, question is does he fit the "impact" role so often referred to from Texans?

Krocket is right about Mayock comment, so there is some juice behind the pick that could be gaining favor, still seems like a high reward high risk move. can the Texans sustain such a hit if he busts? I suppose so, maybe they feel he would have enough support in place to make his transition easier however I would want more of a sure thing with the 1st then a developmental pass rusher in 2nd. I think Sintim is the perfect guy to develop or even English out of that 2nd grouping.
Click to expand...

So, what is "the hit" beerlover ? Anything short of a winning record and the play offs they are pretty much gone anyway. They have to move the sack total as close as they can to forty to have a shot at winning the division. Anything short of that this coaching staff's position is tenuous at best.

And I dissagree with Sitim. In a 3-4 he will be a monster. But this guy has no shot at standing up in a 4-3. none. You're over drafting a situational pass rusher. Now if he is there @ 46...and they want him, so be it. I agree with English. He has the hips to stand up some day.
 
Last edited:
Well he don't like Sidbury....might be good news for us. Funny he still has Maybin high... and he includes Conner Barwin. So he is high on one athletic guy with absolutely no proof he can make the tranistion....and Sidbury and his times speed and long arms didn't make the cut. I like both Sidbury and Conner Barwin...just think it's kind of interesting. The risk is the same with either guy....one is included and one is not.
 
Last edited:
15. Houston Texans:
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Texans need help for Mario Williams up front
*****************************************
Gosselins losing it if he thinks Orakpo falls all the way to 15.
If it would only happen, but not a chance.
And Curry going #1 - also very unlikely for a WIL to go that high ?
 
I don't have any idea on Gilbert, but whoever takes Barwin in the first must prepare to be patient. He needs some time.
 
Remember boys and girls, Gosselin's 1st and 2nd mocks are always...odd. It's the last one that comes out on draft day that is the good one.
 
Gosselin doesn't seem sold on the talent in this year's draft -
"Jake Long is better than any tackle on this draft board. Chris Long is better than any defensive end on this draft board. Matt Ryan is better than any quarterback on this draft board. Darren McFadden was a better prospect than any running back on this draft board, as was Glenn Dorsey at defensive tackle. Most NFL talent evaluators would take Jerod Mayo, the best linebacker in the 2008 NFL draft, over Aaron Curry, the best linebacker in this draft."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon.../nfl/stories/042409dnsponfltop100.7dd05b.html
 
Spled said:
Gosselin doesn't seem sold on the talent in this year's draft -
"Jake Long is better than any tackle on this draft board. Chris Long is better than any defensive end on this draft board. Matt Ryan is better than any quarterback on this draft board. Darren McFadden was a better prospect than any running back on this draft board, as was Glenn Dorsey at defensive tackle. Most NFL talent evaluators would take Jerod Mayo, the best linebacker in the 2008 NFL draft, over Aaron Curry, the best linebacker in this draft."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon.../nfl/stories/042409dnsponfltop100.7dd05b.html
Click to expand...

Long wasn't even the best tackle in his class that distinction goes to Ryan Clady who I had as a top 5 pick. addressing Pete's slashing post above in regards to Sintim he played with Chris Long & he held his own in practice. that shows me his competitive side, if you have that in the NFL you own it. Sintim will probably go to a 3-4 team that doesn't mean a smart defensive minded 4-3 team couldn't use his power & physical play @ LB.

On other points I think Gosselin is losing touch as well. McFadden is a pure athlete you want to put the ball in his hands & see what he can do but if I'm grading RB's he's way down the line behind, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Jonathan Stewart, even Steve Slaton. in this years draft the big 3 Moreno, Wells & Brown are all more polished pure RB's. about the only position that clearly favors last years draft is @ CB.

something in the water up there in Dallas, I can't listen to his tribe anymore :headhurts:
 
beerlover said:
Long wasn't even the best tackle in his class that distinction goes to Ryan Clady who I had as a top 5 pick. addressing Pete's slashing post above in regards to Sintim he played with Chris Long & he held his own in practice. that shows me his competitive side, if you have that in the NFL you own it. Sintim will probably go to a 3-4 team that doesn't mean a smart defensive minded 4-3 team couldn't use his power & physical play @ LB.

On other points I think Gosselin is losing touch as well. McFadden is a pure athlete you want to put the ball in his hands & see what he can do but if I'm grading RB's he's way down the line behind, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Jonathan Stewart, even Steve Slaton. in this years draft the big 3 Moreno, Wells & Brown are all more polished pure RB's. about the only position that clearly favors last years draft is @ CB.

something in the water up there in Dallas, I can't listen to his tribe anymore :headhurts:
Click to expand...

You need to reread the post he made. He didn't say he was a better RB. He said he is a better "prospect" than any of the RBs out there. Meaning he has more upside all around. He also wasn't comparing him to the other RBs in his own class. He just used the highest drafted guy as an example. The 3 you namesdthis year all have question marks..whether it be durability, speed, etc. Nothing against you Beer but in general I think itis funny that people seem to know more than a guy that has year in and year out been a top evaluator and who interviews more people than anyone out there. Its not like Peter King or other website guys who go off the combine and who watch a couple of college games a year. It has nothing to do with where he is living either.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top