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B.J. Raji tested positive at Combine
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painekiller
All Pro
He will drop now, but will he drop to 15? And do you go up a few spots to grab him?
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Polo
Guest
I doubt he drops, and there isn't anyone slated to go in the first round that I'd move up for.
Look for a lot of the second and third rounders to turn out better than the first rounders from this years crop.
Look for a lot of the second and third rounders to turn out better than the first rounders from this years crop.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I think he easily drops.......if this wasn't his first positive test, he might be able to get the benefit of the doubt, but it's his second, which is going to scare alot of teams.
I think if Houston wants him, he'll now be there at 15.......but two positive tests even scare me.
I think if Houston wants him, he'll now be there at 15.......but two positive tests even scare me.
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Polo
Guest
Him testing positive while at BC doesn't sound right...
TimeKiller
Guest
"There is a time and a place for everything and it's called college."
Smoking the marijuana in college has no effect on whether or not a team selects you. Point and case: Amobi Okoye, Houston Texans, selected 10th overall only 2 drafts back.
Smoking the marijuana in college has no effect on whether or not a team selects you. Point and case: Amobi Okoye, Houston Texans, selected 10th overall only 2 drafts back.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Dangit... why does one of my favorite prospects this year have to be a pothead!?
Goatcheese
Texan
I wonder what test they used. If they tested his hair then the positive result could be from up to a year ago.
Lets bow our heads and prey to the football gods this comes true.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
He's way overrated. I didn't have him as a first round prospect prior to this. Now, I will give him the benefit of the doubt on the weed because I stayed with Talib last year. However, Talib was a first round talent. Raji isn't IMO. He also sat out the entire 2007 season because of academic issues. Wouldn't touch him in the draft, in any round. Period.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
This case and Amobi's case aren't even comparable...
First of all, Amobi didn't fail a drug test, he was asked during the interview process at the combine and he answered honestly that he did experiment with Marijauna while in college. (no failed drug tests...he put everything out in the open himself) Teams appreciated that honesty and also took into consideration that he was a 16 year old kid in college.
B.J. Raji never admitted to smoking Marijuana......he just flat out flunked a drug test during his biggest job interview of his life and this was after teams were warned about another flunked drug test a year before.
Raji's and Amobi's cases are apples and oranges, especially if Raji lied about his drug use during the interview process only to have the flunked drug test come out later.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
The NFL doesn't do follicle tests (I learned more than I need to know from Chris Cooley's blog), it's too easy for them to catch idiots already....and much cheaper too.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If you're Raji, you've got to ask yourself, "WHAT WERE YOU THINKIN', FOOL!!!!" You're FOREWARNED of the testing....................FOOL!!!!!!!!
Now thats funny!Not enough red flags to pass on a top five talent at 15.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Well, he fits their profile....and everyone but you has him rated as the best DT in a very weak class. Which means obviously......he's going to go much higher than where you have him ranked there YTF. And Talib....was prety much a train wreck as a starter last year.
nero THE zero
All Pro
There's a point when trying to be different becomes just silly.
HOU-TEX
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IMO, the year of academic ineligibility took him off (or at least slid him down) the Texans board.
I haven't a clue if all these test results are legit or not. If they are, I have no idea what the Texans will do at 15. Heck, even before these rumors I didn't really have any ideas.
Dear Lord, please allow the Texans to trade back in the 1st round.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I respect YTFs opinions, even regarding Raji. It's not like he's the only one that gives him a 2nd round grade, I know Drew Boylhart has him as the 2nd best tackle and rated as a 2nd rounder (Jerry is a 1st). Obviously, a prospects grade doesn't necessarily correlate to where he will get drafted.
I've been a fan of Raji's and a big proponent of selecting him at 15, even when the general concensus was he was a late 1st rounder. I still think he goes before us, probably to the Raiders now? No jokes, but it fills a need. I love the combination of his ability to both pass rush and stop the run... but I do recognize that he has a bust factor, possibly higher than other players in the top 10-15. I actually think Jerry is a safer pick but doesn't have the same combination of skillset and is fairly similar to the DTs we have on the roster.
If Raji is down on our board for whatever reason... same with Andre Smith, I hope to the football gods they get selected ahead of us.
I've been a fan of Raji's and a big proponent of selecting him at 15, even when the general concensus was he was a late 1st rounder. I still think he goes before us, probably to the Raiders now? No jokes, but it fills a need. I love the combination of his ability to both pass rush and stop the run... but I do recognize that he has a bust factor, possibly higher than other players in the top 10-15. I actually think Jerry is a safer pick but doesn't have the same combination of skillset and is fairly similar to the DTs we have on the roster.
If Raji is down on our board for whatever reason... same with Andre Smith, I hope to the football gods they get selected ahead of us.
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Polo
Guest
I bet you were giddy when we brought in Buster Davis
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah, but I am convinced his puffing in college led to his down year last season.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Some info to review for all;
http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/raji_b.j.01.html
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=9156&draftyear=2009&genpos=DT
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/BJ-Raji.php
An interview with Raji
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2009/3/30/814930/interview-with-bj-raji
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Polo
Guest
I knew something didn't sound right about him testing positive in college:
http://media.www.keeneequinox.com/media/storage/paper537/news/2007/12/06/News/8.Ksc.Athletes.Test.Positive.For.Marijuana-3133696-page2.shtml
When I played ball I was one of the lucky ones selected to give the NCAA my pee. I smoked marijuana and my test came back clean. That's because they don't test for weed, they test for steroids and stuff.
Now, if you are caught with weed on you the school will probably test you though and they may issue their own form of discipline.
DT is the hardest position to draft in the top half of the 1st round. It statistically has the highest chance of producing a bust.
This guy has all the intangibles wrong. I would be really hesitant about drafting him. I don't think he'd handle millions of dollars in a good way
This guy has all the intangibles wrong. I would be really hesitant about drafting him. I don't think he'd handle millions of dollars in a good way
badboy
Hall of Fame
But he has a lot of the TANGIBLES right such as stopping the run and collapsing the pocket back into the QB. He had school problems but came back the next year. He took 2 summer classes instead of 3. Let's not beat the kid up over that.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
My stance hasn't changed. I spent a ton of time watching film, and he's not a first round talent to me. I don't care if my view of a player is too different for you or not. I don't have a single DT in this draft class worthy of a 1st round grade. I think this is a terrible DT class at the top.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
This entire post is unfounded. And for that, I'm going to make you look like a complete fool. I thought we had moved past this pete. He fits their profile? Koller ran with two smaller DT's in Buffalo, guys very similar to what we already have as far as to the style of play. He may be the top DT in this class (not to me) but that doesn't mean he is a first round talent. He may go higher than where I think he should, but that doesn't mean that it's a good choice or a bad choice at this point, pete.
Now, to the really good part of your post. Talib. I'd really, really, really advice you to not run your mouth about him when you have no clue of how he played. He was a train wreck as a starter? He only started 2 games pete. Aside from that, he played in 15 games, meaning that the Bucs defensive staff was comfortable enough to bring him off the bench and onto the field. Now, that is just one part of that statement, so let's delve into the other. You claim "train wreck" and I claim "moron". Talib, as a rookie, who only started 2 games, recorded 4 interceptions for 32 returned yards. Talib, as a rookie, who only started 2 games, recorded broke up 9 other passes. What do those numbers mean? It means he would have tied for the Texans interception lead this past year, or he would have doubled the next two behind Reeves.
Now. I'm going to leave it at that. Call me out again pete.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/Stats.asp
http://www.nfl.com/players/aqibtalib/profile?id=TAL428789
HOU-TEX
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TimeKiller
Guest
Down year all the way to the bank.Yeah, but I am convinced his puffing in college led to his down year last season.
I think it would take a whole lot of ganja to put someone in enough of a haze that they play football poorly. Especially someone as massive and strong as him. Look, I'm a firm believer in puff, puff, pass-your-drug-tests-that-you-know-are-coming but he'd have to be ripping bowl after bowl on the sidelines (basically non-stop all day) for me to believe it had any affect whatsoever on his play.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Looks to me like NFLDraftBible.com is a load of garbage. I've never been to their site and now I don't think I ever will.
To any lawyers, can Matthews, Cushing, Raji, Davis, and Harvin file any charges against these clowns for dragging their names through the mud without evidence? And even if they can, would it be worth it?
To any lawyers, can Matthews, Cushing, Raji, Davis, and Harvin file any charges against these clowns for dragging their names through the mud without evidence? And even if they can, would it be worth it?