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When the Texans report Monday for the first day of their offseason conditioning program, middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans and cornerback Dunta Robinson won’t be there.

Ryans and Robinson, who are defensive leaders and among the team’s elite players, aren’t expected to participate in the offseason program because they’re unhappy with their contract situations.

“I’ve talked to both of them,” coach Gary Kubiak said. “I understand the issue. The offseason program is voluntary. I’d love to have them here. Their teammates would love to have them here. We’ll work through it.”

Fortunately for the Texans, neither player is threatening to hold out during the regular season.



Robinson still sounds really unhappy. I absolutely love the guy and what he has meant to this team but am starting to wonder if this is capable of being resolved. He just isnt worth the kind of contract he has been reported to want. I wonder what kind of a draft choice he would bring us in a trade.
 
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Is this the first time we have ever had someone not report? I'm pretty sure we have a good track record on the voluntary practices.
 
Sideline said:
Is this the first time we have ever had someone not report? I'm pretty sure we have a good track record on the voluntary practices.
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Yeah it is the first time. And the reason why its the first time is that we actually have a guy on our roster that is outperforming his contract in Demeco and for the first time a guy that has been franchised in Dunta. The fact is Ryans signed a contract and he is going to have to live with it because I think there is basically no chance his contract gets re-worked. And Dunta is just being a little biatch if it is actually true that he turned down a contract that was worth 23 mil in guaranteed money.

I am really glad that the Texans are taking this stance. If you cave in then there will just be more guys that try to pull this crap in the future.
 
Sideline said:
Is this the first time we have ever had someone not report? I'm pretty sure we have a good track record on the voluntary practices.
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I had heard at the time that Jerome Mathis was going to hold out for a new contract after going All Pro. However, he then wrecked his motorcycle and with it his injury riddled career. I didn't post this at the time, but it doesn't really matter anymore so there it is.
 
Demeco I could understand. Dunta got his money to play this year, he needs to earn every bit of it. He better be all-pro level next year or I wouldn't mind seeing him traded or released.
 
One reason I don't buy jerseys with a player's number. Here today, gone tomorrow. Very hard to give 100% loyalty to guys who think about their bank account first. Dont' get me wrong, I understand where some of the debate comes from, but, I DO NOT understand why Dunte is so pissed off. If his ego is that inflated let him go someplace else. Doesn't sound like the team player we all thought he was.

As for Demeco! Get the damn contract fixed TEXANS!!!!!!!!! He has shown leadership, commitment, loyalty to his team, passion for the game, and respect for the fans. Same with Dunte, but, Dunte's getting paid well enough, not so Demeco. The Texans need to give this man a reason to want to remain a Texan!! PAY UP!! JMO!!!
 
I don't blame either one of them.

It's a business even though fans get emotionally involved. Just because we get emotionally involved doesn't mean the players have to.
 
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Is this the first time we have ever had someone not report? I'm pretty sure we have a good track record on the voluntary practices.
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I don't know about OTAs, but the only TC holdout in Texans history was our beloved TJ..............and that was, I believe for only 1 day.
 
SheTexan said:
but, I DO NOT understand why Dunte is so pissed off. If his ego is that inflated let him go someplace else. Doesn't sound like the team player we all thought he was.

As for Demeco! Get the damn contract fixed TEXANS!!!!!!!!!
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Couldn't agree with that comment more. Dunta still has alot to prove, and still he's making 9 million dollars this year. He needs to bite the bullet and deal with it. If not, adios in 2010.
Demeco deserves the contract extension more if you ask me. Playing for 950K and the leader and caller of the defense deserves more. I don't see Dunta being named to the pro-bowl or pro-bowl alternate the past few years as Demeco has.
 
Don't blame either one of them, why in the #@% are they dragging their feet on demeco's extension? Talk about underpaid
 
I was disappointed to read the article - but this doesn't make us any different than most otehr teams in the league. I would love to see both of these guys happy.

If the reports are true on Robinson, then I personally have a hard time feeling bad for him. We need to make sure our guys get paid, but the team can't allow itself to overpay for players...especially those with injury concerns. He is getting paid close to $10M this year - he should make the workout.

I do feel that Ryans should get paid. You would hope that players would honor their contracts - but we have heard the front office say over and over again that we aren't going to let good players leave the organization. This guys is an unquestioned leader of the team and always in discussion for the pro bowl - you have to take care of him.
 
well the broncos are looking to trade Cutler and they may want a defensive player..hmmmmmm an injured Schaub.....Cutler is familiar with system...we got two less than satisfied defensive players....hmmmmmmmmm.

Its worth a look isnt it?
 
Ryans' contract will be renegotiated prior to TC. Robinson, as it now stands, is being paid a boat load for a questionable product. He was paid handsomely last year.......for not playing, then playing at a less than stellar level. If Robinson is so sure that he will return to "pre-injury level," then he should rest assured that he will get a commensurate new contract. If he is not sure that his performance will come up to par, then he is trying to make out like a bandit. Both players will, in appropriate time, be paid fairly what they are worth.
 
Honestly, I hope we trade Dunta. I love the guy, but he wants way more money than he's worth. Go back and watch the games, he gets burnt worse than Reeves, even before the injury. He wants to be paid like a top 5 corner, something he's not.
 
This just seems odd because it is the first time it is happening to the Texans. 90% of the time this kind of disgruntlement gets worked out.
 
Ryans has had declining production, and fewer impact plays each season since he was drafted. I wouldn't be jumping to extend him either.

They both need to right the ship if they want to get paid. Missing camp is only going to hurt them in the long run. The Texans now know that they're not team first type of players, and so does every other team in the NFL.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
Don't blame either one of them, why in the #@% are they dragging their feet on demeco's extension? Talk about underpaid
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Because you have to do whats good for your organization, which means trying to get him for as little as possible. These guys need to make this team a winner before they all gripe for more money. Demeco is at least severly under paid, Dunta is being a whiney little *****. He has less room to *****, since he turned down a fatty and is making close to 10 mil this year.
 
spurstexanstros said:
well the broncos are looking to trade Cutler and they may want a defensive player..hmmmmmm an injured Schaub.....Cutler is familiar with system...we got two less than satisfied defensive players....hmmmmmmmmm.

Its worth a look isnt it?
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http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=58 This is the fantasy football subforum... If you want to put together blockbuster deals, this is the place for that.

Otherwise, if you want to talk reality, we can end this silliness now. Like it or not, the Texans will not trade Matt Schaub.

By the way, Dunta can be traded until he signs a new contract or his franchise tender.
 
I don't blame either one of them...

It has nothing to do with loyalty because if it did, then the Texans would have already paid these guys...Two guys that give their all everytime they touch the field...No matter what our record is, no matter what the score is..Played through injuries and have rehabbed like hell just to get back on the field...No one cares about the players past what they can do on Sunday's...

It's about business...Not just from a management perspective but from a player perspective as well....They are not letting emotions be their guide like fans are..
 
Hey, we're actually beginning to look and sound like the other 31 NFL teams. :cool:

Meh, there's plenty of time to get deals done before camp. I would assume negotiations will resume after the draft.
 
And I'm really a little a disappointed with D-Robs behavior, less so with DeMeco who probably isn't even a no-show anyway except for D-Robs role.
These guys don't live in a vacuum, and I'm not talking about their teammates so much as the economic environment at this time. D-Rob will be getting between 9 and 10 million for a years work while more and more single-parents face unemployment each day. I think it's a factor and will make it harder for him to get sympathy from the fan base.
I could see this thing getting real contentious because D-Rob is a prideful man who can be very determined.
 
Sportscaster and former baseball great Ralph Kiner tells the following story: After the season in which I hit 37 home runs, I asked Pittsburgh Pirate general manager Branch Rickey for a raise. He refused. “I led the league in homers,” I reminded him. “Where did we finish?” Rickey asked me. “Last,” I replied. “Well,” Rickey said, “We can finish last without you.”

I wish our defense was worth a crap before guys started pulling this. As much as I like both of these guys the only completely irreplaceable player on D is Mario.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
Sportscaster and former baseball great Ralph Kiner tells the following story: After the season in which I hit 37 home runs, I asked Pittsburgh Pirate general manager Branch Rickey for a raise. He refused. “I led the league in homers,” I reminded him. “Where did we finish?” Rickey asked me. “Last,” I replied. “Well,” Rickey said, “We can finish last without you.”

I wish our defense was worth a crap before guys started pulling this. As much as I like both of these guys the only completely irreplaceable player on D is Mario.
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Well said.

Polo said:
I don't blame either one of them...

It has nothing to do with loyalty because if it did, then the Texans would have already paid these guys...Two guys that give their all everytime they touch the field...No matter what our record is, no matter what the score is..Played through injuries and have rehabbed like hell just to get back on the field...No one cares about the players past what they can do on Sunday's...

It's about business...Not just from a management perspective but from a player perspective as well....They are not letting emotions be their guide like fans are..
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We are an awful D, why do guys on it feel they deserve the bank vault? D-Rob has alot to prove, and Ryans is no different. Meco didnt play as well last year as he had in the past. Dunta is a little over a year from a nasty leg injury. I think our GM is doing the right thing, sit an wait. You have time, make sure you get the perfect contract signed. Let me add, I dont think Dunta will ever sign on here long term. I truley think he hates this team. He did everything he could to hit FA this year, and I see more of the same. When you're a year removed from his injury and you turn down top 5 CB money, you're looking to go somewhere else. just my .02
 
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In truth, I believe this to all be CBA driven. Demeco wants an extension because if he doesn't get one and a new CBA isn't agreed upon then he won't be a FA next season. This is the same reason The Texans are dragging their feet. They think that if they don't have to worry about him becoming a FA that gives them another year of play at a lower rate to decide how they want to pay him long term. It's strictly business on both sides of the fence.
 
BigBull17 said:
Well said.
We are an awful D, why do guys on it feel they deserve the bank vault? D-Rob has alot to prove, and Ryans is no different.
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You are thinking about it only from your perspective.

Management and players will both do what they need to do in order to make the smartest decisions for themselves. That includes franchising and not re-soing contracts and it also includes showing your displeasure with the decision and not coming to voluntary training camps. It's fine that you think they don't deserve the money, but that has nothing to do with them having the right to pursue the money that they think they can get...Whether it be here or someone else...

You are being selfish because in all honesty not many people really care about the players past what they can produce on Sundays. Knowing that, I'm not sure how anyone can be upset with these guys for pursuing money they think they can earn. It's a business.

I don't expect Bob McNair to compensate a guy for having a super fast recovery from a devastating injury or for playing hard every snap even though we have not had a winning season so I'm not gonna expect Dunta or Demeco to just shut up and play when they feel like they can get more. You and others just want them to shut up and play for selfish reasons--So you can have a good gameday experience. If they wanna walk for more money, let them walk. That will be managements problem to deal with. I really don't see how fans are mad at the players.

It's just like the real world. No matter how good a company has been to you, if you feel like you're not getting paid enough or that you can find a better situation elsewhere, you're likely to pursue those avenues. I think you guys are losing sight of the fact that it's all business from both parties involved.
 
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Polo said:
You are thinking about it only from your perspective.

Management and players will both do what they need to do in order to make the smartest decisions for themselves. That includes franchising and not re-soing contracts and it also includes showing your displeasure with the decision and not coming to voluntary training camps. It's fine that you think they don't deserve the money, but that has nothing to do with them having the right to pursue the money that they think they can get...Whether it be here or someone else...

You are being selfish because in all honesty not many people really care about the players past what they can produce on Sundays. Knowing that, I'm not sure how anyone can be upset with these guys for pursuing money they think they can earn. It's a business.
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They have every right to want to get their cash. But, as a guy who works hard for their pocket change a year, I have every right to tell them that until our team is winning on a consistant basis, they dont deserve ****. Works both ways.
 
I don’t care what the situation is; I’ve got no sympathy for rich sports players and their egos. But equally, if the workouts are voluntary, then they are voluntary and should have no bearing on a player’s disposition with the team.
 
Ryans needs to get paid. His production slipped last season, but he's still one of our most consistent defensive players. As for Robinson, I love the guy but I wanna see what he's got left this season before I hand him a gaudy contract to stay in Houston.
 
BigBull17 said:
They have every right to want to get their cash. But, as a guy who works hard for their pocket change a year, I have every right to tell them that until our team is winning on a consistant basis, they dont deserve ****. Works both ways.
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And they have the right to walk or not go to voluntary activities.

There is a difference between saying "hey, that guy is not worth that much..If he won't take what we offer let him walk" and saying "He should just shut up, play and be happy with what he's getting"


It's not their fault that most fans don't make as much as they do. Not sure why people in a capatalistic society would be complaining about folks using legal business tactics to get more money.

Just like in the real world...There are people that make less than you, but they aren't downing you because you want more money...Well maybe they are...
 
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Polo said:
It's not their fault that most fans don't make as much as they do. Not sure why people in a capatalistic society would be complaining about folks using legal business tactics to get more money.

Just like in the real world...There are people that make less than you, but they aren't downing you because you want more money...Well maybe they are...
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It's our right to ***** about anything we like. :D
 
Polo said:
I don't blame either one of them.

It's a business even though fans get emotionally involved. Just because we get emotionally involved doesn't mean the players have to.
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Yeah, but Dunta hasn't done jack in the last two seasons while sitting on the bench nursing his injury. He was really good before but still wasn't ever even ELITE then either. His best season was his rookie season and he hasn't ever had a season better than that season since.

Dunta doesn't have one reason whatsoever to be bitching and I'm getting really sick and tired of this dude acting like a such a baby with this after all the games he's missed. Right now heading into next season he'll be making a lot MORE money than he should be making, so he should be happy. All he has to do is play well and have a good season and he'll get a nice contract from either us or some other team. But he wants a big one right now after being injured all the last two seasons. Dunta, get the "F" out of here with that mess.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, but Dunta hasn't done jack in the last two seasons while sitting on the bench nursing his injury. He was really good before but still wasn't ever even ELITE then either. His best season was his rookie season and he hasn't ever had a season better than that season since.

Dunta doesn't have one reason whatsoever to be bitching and I'm getting really sick and tired of this dude acting like a such a baby with this after all the games he's missed. Right now heading into next season he'll be making a lot MORE money than he should be making, so he should be happy. All he has to do is play well and have a good season and he'll get a nice contract from either us or some other team. But he wants a big one right now after being injured all the last two seasons. Dunta, get the "F" out of here with that mess.
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None of that has anything to do with business and only your love of the Texans.

I seriously doubt the Texans management are as emotional as you guys because they realize that they can either pony up or let them walk but they can't make them be happy with their contracts. If they can get more money than we are willing to give, go for it.

Both of the players have every right to strive for better contracts.
 
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Polo said:
None of that has anything to do with business and only your love of the Texans.

I seriously doubt the Texans management are as emotional as you guys because they realize that they can either pony up or let them walk but they can't make them be happy with their contracts. If they can get more money than we are willing to give, go for it.

Both of the players have every right to strive for better contracts.
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Demeco maybe, but just like all rookie players he'll have to play that contract out. Demeco wasn't an ELITE LB last season either. He was a good one, but he wasn't ELITE at all.

At this point Dunta is just a HAS BEEN injury prone player that has a ton of question marks as to how good of a player he is or can still be. He doesn't have any leverage over the Texans nor is he some highly sought after guy in the free agent market for what he is asking for. His salary for next season is A LOT more than what he should be getting considering his production over the last two seasons. He is actually LUCKY to be franchised.
 
Polo said:
You are thinking about it only from your perspective.

Management and players will both do what they need to do in order to make the smartest decisions for themselves. That includes franchising and not re-soing contracts and it also includes showing your displeasure with the decision and not coming to voluntary training camps. It's fine that you think they don't deserve the money, but that has nothing to do with them having the right to pursue the money that they think they can get...Whether it be here or someone else...

You are being selfish because in all honesty not many people really care about the players past what they can produce on Sundays. Knowing that, I'm not sure how anyone can be upset with these guys for pursuing money they think they can earn. It's a business.

I don't expect Bob McNair to compensate a guy for having a super fast recovery from a devastating injury or for playing hard every snap even though we have not had a winning season so I'm not gonna expect Dunta or Demeco to just shut up and play when they feel like they can get more. You and others just want them to shut up and play for selfish reasons--So you can have a good gameday experience. If they wanna walk for more money, let them walk. That will be managements problem to deal with. I really don't see how fans are mad at the players.

It's just like the real world. No matter how good a company has been to you, if you feel like you're not getting paid enough or that you can find a better situation elsewhere, you're likely to pursue those avenues. I think you guys are losing sight of the fact that it's all business from both parties involved.
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I think you make a good point, however, the analogy between our jobs and professional football players isn't the same. These guys entered into contracts and are paid handsome bonuses as consideration to play for our team for a certain amount of time. I definitely give credit for "giving it all on every snap" and "working hard to speed up recovery" - but that is what they HAVE BEEN PAID to do.
 
Dunta needs to be in the offseason program and get as many reps as he gets to insure he's 100% next season. Otherwise, he wont see anywhere near the 23M guarantee we offered when next offseason rolls around from ANY team.

DeMeco needs to get his contract worked out, he is making way under market value for what he brings to the table and if I were the Texans I would extend him ASAP especially since they can get him a little cheaper now than if he had gone all pro again this past season.
 
Thorn said:
I don’t care what the situation is; I’ve got no sympathy for rich sports players and their egos. But equally, if the workouts are voluntary, then they are voluntary and should have no bearing on a player’s disposition with the team.
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Voluntary............Wink, Wink...............:bat:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Voluntary............Wink, Wink...............:bat:
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You know, I thought about that after I posted it, realizing that some of the "voluntary" work at my job is, well, not exactly voluntary if you want to stay in good standing with management. You don't have to volunteer for everything, but if you never volunteer at all it will eventually come back to haunt you.
 
Thorn said:
You know, I thought about that after I posted it, realizing that some of the "voluntary" work at my job is, well, not exactly voluntary if you want to stay in good standing with management. You don't have to volunteer for everything, but if you never volunteer at all it will eventually come back to haunt you.
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I am pretty sure every NFL team has a bonus in most of their player's contracts to attend a certain percentage of voluntary workout sessions. If they dont then they aren't going to see the max value of the contract they signed.
 
Spike said:
I think you make a good point, however, the analogy between our jobs and professional football players isn't the same. These guys entered into contracts and are paid handsome bonuses as consideration to play for our team for a certain amount of time. I definitely give credit for "giving it all on every snap" and "working hard to speed up recovery" - but that is what they HAVE BEEN PAID to do.
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The teams sign the contracts too, and they frequently cut players before thety pay out the full value they signed up for. I don't fault the players for trying to get as much as they can as early as they can.
 
Seems to be a very polarizing issue, and after reading everyone's posts, I can see both sides to it. But what I really care about is what is best for the Texans. Now if management sees that as re-signing both players to long term contracts, then do that. If it's letting one walk or both if they feel fit, then do that. Whatever they decide, I will support because these guys are a lot smarter than me... I think. Well except Casserly.
 
Texecutioner said:
At this point Dunta is just a HAS BEEN injury prone player that has a ton of question marks as to how good of a player he is or can still be. He doesn't have any leverage over the Texans nor is he some highly sought after guy in the free agent market for what he is asking for. His salary for next season is A LOT more than what he should be getting considering his production over the last two seasons. He is actually LUCKY to be franchised.
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You are delusional.

Dunta is still considered one of the better CB's in the leauge. And besides all that it keeps going back to my main point.

The value you place on him has nothing to do with whether or not he should try and get as much money as he can.
 
Spike said:
I think you make a good point, however, the analogy between our jobs and professional football players isn't the same. These guys entered into contracts and are paid handsome bonuses as consideration to play for our team for a certain amount of time. I definitely give credit for "giving it all on every snap" and "working hard to speed up recovery" - but that is what they HAVE BEEN PAID to do.
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I think you're looking at it strictly from a fan perspective because it sounds to me like you're saying that players should honor the entire length of the contract, but management doesn't have to?

It's o.k if management cuts a player in the middle of a contract that has given his all to a team, but it's not o.k if the players try to get the best deals for themselves as possible?

Pretty selfish.
 
imatexan said:
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Doesn't mean they have to though.

And most players in proffesional sports don't.

They care about their teammates and they enjoy the fans, but at the end of the day, money talks.
 
Polo said:
You are delusional.

Dunta is still considered one of the better CB's in the leauge. And besides all that it keeps going back to my main point.

The value you place on him has nothing to do with whether or not he should try and get as much money as he can.
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I understand your point, and in Demeco's case I'm a little more sympathetic, but Dunta had a chance to get really good money and walked on it. He is being a little beyatch who is trying to price himself off of the team. He was good, but I would'nt put him top 10 right now. I bet his list of suitors is shorter than you and he think. Too many question marks.
 
BigBull17 said:
I understand your point, and in Demeco's case I'm a little more sympathetic, but Dunta had a chance to get really good money and walked on it. He is being a little beyatch who is trying to price himself off of the team. He was good, but I would'nt put him top 10 right now. I bet his list of suitors is shorter than you and he think. Too many question marks.
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I have no idea what Dunta is worth on the market but that really has absolutely 0 to do with his right to find out and pursue more money.

P.S. Players get signed for more money than they're worth all the time. It's ridiculous to act like Dunta couldn't go out and get more money from another team than what he's being offered here. What makes him any different than any other overpaid Free Agent?
 
Polo said:
You are delusional.

Dunta is still considered one of the better CB's in the leauge. And besides all that it keeps going back to my main point.

The value you place on him has nothing to do with whether or not he should try and get as much money as he can.
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Delusional? Please, he isn't touted as one of the top CB's in the league at all. Only to Texans fans he is.

No guy who has missed as many games as he has in the last two seasons would be considered one of the better corners in the league. He's never even made the pro bowl, so he isn't considered one of the best bro. You like him a whole lot because he is a Texan and you're a fan of the guy, and so am I but I'm not going to sit here and make myself think he is some player in high demand when he isn't just because I like the guy. It's a fact that he hasn't been a reliable player in the last two seasons no matter what you try and say. It hasn't been his fault, because he has been injured, but that still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't done much for the team.

At this point he has to prove himself, and the ONLY reason why he is getting all of that money from us through the franchise tag is because he has been with the team through some horrible seasons and was one of our only respectable players through that and he might still have potential to be a very good CB, but he has to prove that. And with the franchise tag, he is extremely lucky that he's getting paid that much while having to prove that.
 
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