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Alabama's Andre Smith plummeting

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/around_the_nfl/post/Alabama-s-Andre-Smith-plummeting?urn=nfl,143110

INDIANAPOLIS - Alabama offensive tackle Andre Smith continued to tumble in the eyes of NFL coaches and executives when he couldn't be located Saturday morning to participate in the workouts for linemen.

That follows the bad reviews Smith got from coaches from Alabama and the perception that he did a poor job of interviewing with the media and teams. Smith turned off several coaches when he told them he wasn't participating in the workout because he started training late.

"The kid is killing himself," a source close to Smith said. "He basically told the NFL people he's lazy. This is incredible. ... It doesn't matter if you're ready or not. You at least show up at the workouts and watch."

Some draft analysts had projected Smith, a junior, as a possible No. 1 overall pick in April. Concerns about his character started to surface in a serious way when Alabama head coach Nick Saban kicked him off the team before the Sugar Bowl.

Smith was rumored to be involved with the representative of an agent before the game, a violation of NCAA and NFL Players Association rules. When Alabama turned the issue over to a lawyer who is on retainer with the school to investigate possible violations, Smith initially turned over his bank records but then refused to turn over his phone records, according to two sources.

Saban deemed that a violation of team rules and dismissed Smith, who then turned pro after the bowl game. NFL coaches have been in contact with Alabama officials since then and have not heard good reports on Smith's character, a source said.

Despite so much time off, Smith has gotten out of shape in the view of NFL types.

As one scout put it Friday: "Just another guy who doesn't get it."

According to Smith's agent, Alvin Keels, Smith subsequently flew to Atlanta on Saturday for a workout with a private trainer and is not expected back in Indianapolis.
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The type of guy that could break a team's heart with the character issues, but he has the potential to be a perennial all pro.
 
I moved him from my #3 OT to #4 just based on the events of the last couple of days. He also fell from my #8 overall to #14.

I know one thing though, I wouldn't want this guy on my team if I were a player.
 
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TexanSam said:
I wonder how far he'll eventually fall? Out of the first round possibly?
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Doubt it. On the field he is the best OL prospect in the draft. Some team (probably in the top half of the 1st round) will think that they can be the ones to overcome/correct/harness his immaturity.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Doubt it. On the field he is the best OL prospect in the draft. Some team (probably in the top half of the 1st round) will think that they can be the ones to overcome/correct/harness his immaturity.
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Agreed - I'm guessing that if he can put together even a close to average pro day/individual workout, he'll go before the Texans pick.
 
I saw his interview Friday about the Bowl Game, and thought the kid just doesn't get it. He has had 2 months to come up with a story and he did not have one. Plus he was kicked off the team for being involved with and agent and he just now gets one, a couple of weeks before the combine? Kid is just that an immature kid. I would not want to be the team paying him millions.
 
Maybe going pro isn't in his head...Don't know what is. If he loves football, he should have been ready for this moment. GM's and coaches see "red flags" when this sort of thing happens...although maybe he didn't want to go to Detroit or St. Louis:thinking:
 
Small thing here but the article said he got kicked off the team... I thought Sabin just suspended him for the bowl game.

Anyways, I think some things just get blown out of proportion sometimes. This may make his draft stock drop a bit but the bottom line is he's still one of the best OL prospects this year. He doesn't seem like a high risk, off the field kind of guy regarding drugs, guns, violence, etc.

Some of his recent actions are really just weird, he is wasting himself a lot of money. But he definitely has a place on any number of NFL teams and should still get drafted in the top 10. Lots of teams need OT help. Maybe he doesn't go 2 but he'll go in the top half of the 1st.

We need him to go before us so another guy falls.
 
If he fell to 15 I am confident Gibbs will break him down one way or another. He'd either become the OL he is capable of or he'd have a mental breakdown from all the screaming coming his way.
 
He will still go high. Character flags always turn alot of teams off of a player, but some organizations just don't care. Many teams care about talent more than character, that's why they have been drafting in the top 10 every year.

Don't be surprised if the Bengals traded up to get this guy. He fits in well with what they do.
 
WolverineFan said:
Don't be surprised if the Bengals traded up to get this guy. He fits in well with what they do.
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Bengals have the sixth overall pick. Andre Smith should still be available there. A lot of mocks have the Bengals taking Jason Smith, who IMO is the best offensive lineman coming into the draft.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
Bengals have the sixth overall pick. Andre Smith should still be available there. A lot of mocks have the Bengals taking Jason Smith, who IMO is the best offensive lineman coming into the draft.
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I'm sure you got it, but just to clarify that was definetely sarcasm.
 
WolverineFan said:
I'm sure you got it, but just to clarify that was definetely sarcasm.
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I'm usually good at catching sarcasm, but this time I just didn't catch it... :confused: (Hey at least I'll admit it!)

Mostly because Andre Smith should still go high even after this bs, and that the Bengals also have a high pick. (I guess that's what threw me off...)
 
I dont think Andre has much to worry about. Scouts are going to base most of what they think off the tape resume, and Andre has that. So instead of possibly going #2, he will be going 6-10.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
I'm usually good at catching sarcasm, but this time I just didn't catch it... :confused: (Hey at least I'll admit it!)

Mostly because Andre Smith should still go high even after this bs, and that the Bengals also have a high pick. (I guess that's what threw me off...)
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I agree he will still go high and the Bengals are @ #6. I just thought it would be funny if I portrayed it as they couldn't risk not getting him because his character is perfectly suited to their locker room.

Just a little joke because these days the Bengals can't seem to sign a player that doesn't have character issues.

Hence them resigning Chris Henry last year and keeping Chad Johnson and now it looks like they will let Houshmandzadeh walk.
 
He's plummeting now, but if he shows up at bama's pro day & wows, he'll be right back up there.
 
Mr teX said:
He's plummeting now, but if he shows up at bama's pro day & wows, he'll be right back up there.
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No doubt he'll still be in the top ten right now. If he continues to screw things up though, he may still be the first player taken, just in the 2nd Round and not the 1st.

Either way he's losing some serious $$$$$$$$.

Figure Smith would have pulled in a guaranteed $30 million as the No. 1 pick of this year’s draft. We think that’s fair considering last year’s No. 1 pick Jake Long was an offensive tackle like Smith and we’re accounting for the fact that the economics of the game might not provide for the usual bump that happens each year.

Let’s put Smith as the fourth offensive tackle taken behind Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe and Michael Oher. Since so many teams took offensive tackles last year in the first round, we’ll put Smith as going to the Philadelphia Eagles at No. 28.

The 28th pick last year was Lawrence Jackson, who received $6.1 million in guaranteed money. We’ll give Smith the benefit of the doubt here and say he’ll get similar guaranteed money to what Duane Brown got at No. 26 last year ($6.2 million).

If it goes down like this, Smith would have lost $23.8 million.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/29348238
 
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This guy is actually quite genius for his antics. Now, the Cowboys will trade up come hell or high water, just to snag this guy!
 
His pro day sure didn't help....maybe he slips into the 2nd that would be great value


NFL.com Pro
Andre Smith, one of the top offensive tackle prospects in this year’s draft, said he was relying on Alabama’s pro day to make up for the disappearing act he put on at the combine. Well, his times were not overly impressive, but he did at least work out.

Smith measured in at 6-foot-4 ¼, 325 pounds and ran the 40-yard dash in 5.28 and 5.33 seconds. He had a 25-inch vertical, a 7-foot, 10-inch broad jump, a 7.88-second three-cone drill and 19 bench press reps at 225 pounds. His short shuttle time is still to come as are the times from his Alabama teammates.

To put Smith’s workout in perspective, he did not post a single number that would have placed him in the top performers at his position at the combine and many of his numbers were not even close to the top 10 at his position at the combine.
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Scouts said he lost millions today$$$$$$. One of the worst Pro day workouts ever seen.....

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/11/scout-smith-lost-millions-today/

Alabama offensive tackle Andre Smith’s campus workout today in front of NFL scouts was a “disaster,” according to Tony Pauline of SI.com.

Quoting an unnamed scout, Pauline writes that Smith’s lack of preparation was obvious as he was overweight. One scout called the performance, “one of the worst workouts I’ve ever seen.”

Another AFC East scout told Pauline: “He lost millions today.”

As a league source told us earlier today, Smith ran with his shirt off.

According to Pauline, comments were made about “the flab and the rolls on his body” during Smith’s 40-yard dashes as he posted times between 5.21 and 5.29 seconds.

Per the article, several scouts weren’t happy to travel a long way only to witness a bad workout. And Smith’s trainers were not pleased, either.
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According to Pauline, comments were made about “the flab and the rolls on his body” during Smith’s 40-yard dashes as he posted times between 5.21 and 5.29 seconds.

:spit:
 
Texan4Ever said:
19 reps on 225!?!?! Man, is this guy outta shape or what?
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Exactly what jumped out at me when i read the excerpt above. Muscle memory doesn't go away that easy so I don't know if that can be characterized as being out of shape. He sounds like a guy who just got over on his talent at Alabama...
 
For the love of Pete! Why would he run with his shirt off? It sounds as if he's getting some horrible advice from somebody. Poor fella
 
infantrycak said:
Good for the Texans if he does.
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Yeah, that will be great for us. Grab a total moron who isn't even smart enough to show up at his pro day and wasted everyone's time and didn't even have enough sense to alert his agent. Yeah, that is a player we can really afford to make a reach on while we're dying to get out of 8-8ness.

Going to your Pro Day workout is one of the easiest things a guy can do. Just go up there and do a few drills and interviews and go home, but not only could he not even manage doing that but he couldn't even manage making a phone call or two in order to spin why he would be absent from his work outs.

If I was a GM I wouldn't touch this guy unless my team was desperate for an O lineman and I got him as a late 2nd round pick. Other than that, I'll pass on a guy that is lazy and flat out STUPID.
 
Mr teX said:
Rusty Harden perhaps?
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Dunno. Is that his agent? The guy's still going to make some money, so he needs to find somebody that will lead him in the right direction. Having a 320+ lb Olineman run around with his shirt off is just ridiculous.

Maybe a team gave him that advice in order for him to fall. LOL
 
HOU-TEX said:
Dunno. Is that his agent? The guy's still going to make some money, so he needs to find somebody that will lead him in the right direction. Having a 320+ lb Olineman run around with his shirt off is just ridiculous.

Maybe a team gave him that advice in order for him to fall. LOL
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No harden's not his agent, i just said that in regard to his handling of the roger clemens situation....absolutely terrible advice from him.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, that will be great for us. Grab a total moron who isn't even smart enough to show up at his pro day and wasted everyone's time and didn't even have enough sense to alert his agent. Yeah, that is a player we can really afford to make a reach on while we're dying to get out of 8-8ness.

Going to your Pro Day workout is one of the easiest things a guy can do. Just go up there and do a few drills and interviews and go home, but not only could he not even manage doing that but he couldn't even manage making a phone call or two in order to spin why he would be absent from his work outs.

If I was a GM I wouldn't touch this guy unless my team was desperate for an O lineman and I got him as a late 2nd round pick. Other than that, I'll pass on a guy that is lazy and flat out STUPID.
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I think you missed infantrycak's point. If Smith still goes top 14, that means it will push a better prospect down for us to chose from at 15.

I doubt he was suggesting that we take Smith at 15.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I think you missed infantrycak's point. If Smith still goes top 14, that means it will push a better prospect down for us to chose from at 15.

I doubt he was suggesting that we take Smith at 15.
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The problem is, if he drops OUT of the top 14, then that moves someone else up.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I think you missed infantrycak's point. If Smith still goes top 14, that means it will push a better prospect down for us to chose from at 15.

I doubt he was suggesting that we take Smith at 15.
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If that is what he meant then I totally misinterpreted what he was saying then. That was just the way I read it. If so, then I agree. If he falls past our pick then that hurts us because that would be one extra player off the board.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The problem is, if he drops OUT of the top 14, then that moves someone else up.
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Hoth-Boy...

Let me apologize for totally re-iterating what you'd just said. For some reason, when I read what you'd written, I thought you were saying something else. I'm going to blame work for dividing my attention.
 
Andre Smith looked very out of shape. Did you see his titties flapping around everywhere? Only 19 reps of 225lbs for a LT? That's pitiful. Smith is getting bad advice from someone, or he simply isn't listening to his advisors. The guy has went from a Top 5 pick to potentially getting picked between 15 and 25. And cost himself millions of dollars on the way down. I see it as a good deal for the Texans. Maybe a team like Detroit decides to take a chance on him with their second 1st round selection and trades up to 15 to do so.
 
Texan JBZ said:
Did you see his titties flapping around everywhere?
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