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You keep saying we passed on all those quality guys. But all the other teams also passed on them, so have you ever stopped and wondered there is something wrong with them!!! they have a lot more information then you do inside that war room.WildBlackBear32 said:D. Just being real here. Like I've said recently, I'm not gonna rip the TJ pick anymore, I'll let his play speak. Every pick other than Mathis after that however, was a total shamjob. Multiple highly rated players at positions of need were passed on for no-namers and guys who mirror our weaknesses.
Just because we didn't take DJ with our number 1 pick does not mean that we had a bad draft.WildBlackBear32 said:D. Just being real here. Like I've said recently, I'm not gonna rip the TJ pick anymore, I'll let his play speak. Every pick other than Mathis after that however, was a total shamjob. Multiple highly rated players at positions of need were passed on for no-namers and guys who mirror our weaknesses.
You need to include PB in our 2005 Draft because he represents our secondojthecat said:We got a dt that is fast and capable of tying up linemen that is what we needed.
We got a running back that should push DD for the starting job.
We now have one of the fastest recievers in all of football.
We got a fast LB that should provide depth.
This draft rocked we are better now than we were 2 days ago. I beleive that we can now challange for the Divsion.
When did I say anything about DJ??? In fact over the past two weeks, I've said that I was starting to lose love for DJ. We took a DT, yes it's a position of need, however it's also a guy most people grade out to a very late first to mid second rounder. A guy who has character issues on a team that prides itself on weeding troublemakers out. The RB will push DD??? If we're gonna go by Age, this RB will retire BEFORE DD. The LB is fast and he does provide depth. Peek does the same thing. Cheatwood. Chamberlin. Polk. All depth guys. Don't you think it'd be much smarter to take a player at a dry position like DL or S?ojthecat said:Just because we didn't take DJ with our number 1 pick does not mean that we had a bad draft.
We got a dt that is fast and capable of tying up linemen that is what we needed.
We got a running back that should push DD for the starting job.
We now have one of the fastest recievers in all of football.
We got a fast LB that should provide depth.
This draft rocked we are better now than we were 2 days ago. I beleive that we can now challange for the Divsion.
Ditto. Morency should be able to fill in as a spot starter since D.D. will probably miss a game or two.F-minus67 said:For this coming season I give it a C-, other that Johnson and maybe Mathis there are no other rookies who have a shot at starting. But for the future I give it a B, all these can play and will play given time to mature. And when you add in the trade for Buchanan, someone who is close to making the pro bowl. Overall I'll give the entire draft a A-.
There is a lot to pick apart but I'll leave it at this one item. Roaf wasn't on the expansion list. He was taken off for medical reasons I believe.Patriot said:3) If they don't improve the offensive line, some of us are going to continue seeing the Boselli expansion draft pick as insane. Does anyone recall that we could have picked Willie Roaf,
What in the world are you talking about?!!! We haven't done a good job of drafting recently?! We've been in existence for 4 years only!!! And C.C. has already made draft picks that turned out to be brilliant. For example, Domanick Davis, Jabbar Gaffney, DeMarcus Faggins, Ramon Walker, Jonathan Wells, Antwaan Peek are all major contributors on our team. As for Travis Johnson. He doesn't have to be the next Warren Sapp for this to be a good pick. He was a solid player at FSU and even though he didn't have great numbers, his job is to rush the passer so that our linebackers can make plays!!!lucky13 said:some good, a lot of bad.
first for the bad- unless johnson is the next warren sapp, this was a terrible pick. there were proven productive players at need positions everywhere, esp. OL. the texans are a team that can't afford too many more overpayments like babin, hollings, joppru, ragone, ... and yet he reached. seemingly an act of desperation.
now for the good- perhaps the texans are finally dropping their faith-based system for screening players. in the long run, this will help a lot. unfortunately, the very poor job they have done in recent drafts means they might not have much more time to prove themselves.
Did you even watch the games last year? In regards to your spectacularly comedical last comment, about the "punt on first down" offensive scheme; Yes our offense did turn the ball over, more than we should and in vital parts of the game definetly, but offense was the least of our problems last year. We were ranked 15th in overall offense, that without an experience OL (in terms of playing together), a durable back, and a compliment to AJ that could take coverage away from him. On the other hand our defense did force turnovers, but that was with no inside pass rushing force. Not to mention we did not have a great year stopping the run which is heralded with the 3-4 defense. We had about the 29th overall defense and that compared to our offense is abismal.Patriot said:I give them a D-
Here's a few thoughts...
1) The fact we drafted a RB that will push DD for a starting job does not speak well of the draftee...it speaks lowly of DD. (which is why I would have traded up to get Benson...but thats me)
2) Since they didn't move up, they should have taken DJ...period.
3) If they don't improve the offensive line, some of us are going to continue seeing the Boselli expansion draft pick as insane. Does anyone recall that we could have picked Willie Roaf, you know - a healthy OT thats started every game for the past 3 years? Oh yeah...pro bowl appearances and stuff too. Personally, I don't really think there would have been that much help at offensive line coming out of this draft, even if drafting an O-Liner at every chance. I don't see an Orlando Pace anywhere in the draft.
4) I'm still waiting for the David Carr pick to earn its keep.
5) The Texans should adopt a "punt on first down" offensive scheme next year.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/4972496Roaf fails physical, off expansion draft list
NFL.com wire reports
METAIRIE, La. (Feb. 7, 2002) -- The New Orleans Saints were forced to withdraw Willie Roaf, who is coming off major knee surgery, from the NFL expansion draft list after the seven-time Pro Bowl tackle failed to pass a physical.
The physical was administered by an independent doctor approved by the NFL who concluded that Roaf would not be ready to play by June 1, the mandatory date outlined by league officials for players eligible in the expansion draft.
Roaf underwent reconstructive surgery on his right knee Nov. 27 and has admitted that personal problems have caused him to lag behind in his rehabilitation.
"Willie took a physical, but he did not pass," Saints coach Jim Haslett told the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "So we took him off the list."
Each NFL team was required to submit a list of five players eligible to be selected by the Houston Texans in the Feb. 18 expansion draft.
That just shows your ignorance on the whole Boselli issue, We all know that if we did not pick him we would not have gotten Walker and Payne they were all a package deal from Jasksonville.Patriot said:It doesn't really matter...my point wasn't so much that Roaf was the greatest thing ever...it was that Boselli was a wasted pick. At this point, it's safe to say anyone who played 1 down since the expansion draft would have been a more beneficial pick. Get my drift?
No, because we wouldn't have gotten 2/3rds of our defensive line with Williams (no package deal with him) who played his last game in 2002. Knowing what you are talking about would be helpful when you are being critical of our moves.Patriot said:From that same article that disqualified Roaf...
Wouldn't Wally Williams would have been a better choice than Boselli?
lol
Dude we are in the same division as the Colts we can not have enough Cover corners and Glenn is getting up there in age and cap dollars. Giving up a 2 to get a corner that is ready to start.... PricelessCaptainPatriot said:Have a problem giving up a 2nd rounder for a disgruntle CB when there are 2 good CB`s here already. Is Glenn on his way out? That 2nd pick could have been used for O-Line or another D-Line and still could have picked up Mathis!!! At least Mathis will make the losses this yr exciting!
Patriot said:From that same article that disqualified Roaf...
Wouldn't Wally Williams would have been a better choice than Boselli?
lol
Patriot said:Ahh yes...and think how much worse we would have been without Payne's pains and Walker.
<sarcasm off>
Actually...I do like Walker.
that was the whole deal...they agreed to pull neither if we take Boselli.lucky13 said:excuse me, but this spin about boselli ignores the rules of the expansion draft. the jaguars could only pull one of walker and payne back.
Yes, however we had a deal with Jacksonville if we agreed to take Boselli they would put and leave both Walker and Payne on the list. And sure we could have gone ahead and taken walker or payne but then we would have only gotten one and Jacksonville would never deal with us again.lucky13 said:excuse me, but this spin about boselli ignores the rules of the expansion draft. the jaguars could only pull one of walker and payne back. and, of course, there is the matter of boselli's monstrous salary and the texans early refusal to aggressively pursue FAs because of boselli's money. picking boselli was a disaster, plain and simple, and everyone outside houston recognizes it as such.
Him and his entire half sack last year.Patriot said:I do like Walker though If that matters.
How are we going to stop the run? How are we going to address it? The best solution to that would probably be to draft the best run stopping interior lineman in the entire draft, and that's what we did.CaptainPatriot said:I give a D With the Texans being last in the NFL in sacks on both sides of the ball. Plus Sharper is gone! How the Texans going to stop the run now?You have to address it
TopTexanFan16 said:it was lookin like an alright draft till i heard the news of glenn....IMO thats gonna be a major set back to our secondary even thoough we have Pb someone needed to mentor him like glenn did for D-rob. IMO
It turned out to be a bad package.ojthecat said:That just shows your ignorance on the whole Boselli issue, We all know that if we did not pick him we would not have gotten Walker and Payne they were all a package deal from Jasksonville.
Why don't you just go back to your NE board and leave us alone.