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1st & 10... Haynesworth to Texans?

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InterestedJeff

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just saw on 1st and 10 that Fat Albert wont be signing with the Titans. The Texans were mentioned as one of the teams in persuit. This was said by a Tennessee sports writer so I think its a lot more smoke than fire but it was fairly shocking to hear non-the-less.
 
InterestedJeff said:
just saw on 1st and 10 that Fat Albert wont be signing with the Titans. The Texans were mentioned as one of the teams in persuit. This was said by a Tennessee sports writer so I think its a lot more smoke than fire but it was fairly shocking to hear non-the-less.
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Oh yeah! It all falls down for Tennessee too. :splits: Matt Schaub is petitioning for him right now.
 
InterestedJeff said:
just saw on 1st and 10 that Fat Albert wont be signing with the Titans. The Texans were mentioned as one of the teams in persuit. This was said by a Tennessee sports writer so I think its a lot more smoke than fire but it was fairly shocking to hear non-the-less.
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I don't think teams are allowed to persue FA's yet. :thinking:

I call bull butter.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I don't think teams are allowed to persue FA's yet. :thinking:

I call bull butter.
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he could of said the Texans are one of the Teams with interest... I was only paying half attention. I was mainly reading Matt Bowen's combine tales. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/combine-tales-part-i/

The fact remains that I heard the Texans mentioned as 1 of 2 teams that can land Al. Still probablly a bunch of BS but it still grabed my attention, especially with how much I heard that it wont EVER happen.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to hear alot of FAs call us out. We are 40 something million under the cap!!!

The good news is you can assume that a good FA class will be coming to The Texans.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I don't think teams are allowed to persue FA's yet. :thinking:

I call bull butter.
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I am thinking he is using it as a bargaining chip.. Tennessee would not like to see him in AFC south.

I think we would feel the same thing if Mario was needing a new contract and Tennessee's name came up (or any AFC south foe). As fans we would be screaming at McNair to get him signed
 
HOU-TEX said:
I don't think teams are allowed to persue FA's yet. :thinking:

I call bull butter.
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Its true you cant pursue free agents yet but Fat Albert has announced he will be testing the FA market.

Fat Albert has the potential to be the owrst FA signing in years! Up until his contract year two years ago he was condidered an under achiever who was constantly slowed by nagging injuries. His first contract year he had a breakout season which lead the Tacks to franchise his since even they were hesitant to lock the guy up long term on one year. I hate the Tacks but Fisher and Company are smart about the business of football. So last year was his second FA contract year and he played great when healthy but still missed games at the end of the year do to leg problems. Now Fat Albert wants to be the highest paid defensive player in football? I think it says alot that Fisher and Co. rather than break the bank for Albert are going to risk losing him by letting him test the FA market. I know people question whether once he has his huge contract if he will be the same player he has been for the last two years or revert back to the old under achiever. Not onlythat he is constantly doing stupid crap off the field. He is currently in trouble for speeding down the highway in TN at over 100 MPH and causing a wreck in which someone was injured. No the kind of thing most teams want out of their highest paid player.
 
I won't lie, he's an asshat but I'd love to see him lined up next to Amobi. Just getting him out of the AFC South would be an upgrade.

The odds of him coming here are pretty low though, I think.
 
I'm one of those in the camp that while Haynesworth won't be a total bust as a FA signing, he won't be the guy from the last two years, and as such, will not be worth the huge money that he's gonna be getting.

I also think that the Titans have a ceiling on what he's worth, and he could well go above that. If I had to guess where he's at in '09, that guess would be Tampa.
 
Sorry, I cant stand the sucker.

IF we ever sign him I hope it is a 1-year signing, it seems as if he plays better when his contract is running out. Consecutive 1-year deals :)
 
Htownsportsfan said:
Now Fat Albert wants to be the highest paid defensive player in football? I think it says alot that Fisher and Co. rather than break the bank for Albert are going to risk losing him by letting him test the FA market.
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I'm not sure where I stand with Fat Al. I dont think he's worth being the highest paid player but he is a beast and he does have a lot of pride. I'm sure he wont be a bust no matter where he lands. I believe the Titans drafted a D Tackle in either round 1 or 2 of last years draft so they have some wiggle room if he leaves.
 
Will he be bringing, Bill, Russell, Dumb Donald, Mush Mouth, Bucky and Weird Harold with him? :thinking:

Haynesworth: Hey hey hey!....It's Faaaat Albert (Haynesworth)! And I'm gonna sing a song for you...(wicked baseline) And (Texan)Bill's gonna show you a thing or two. (more of our wicked baseline) You'll have some fun now...with me and all the gang...learning from each other...while we do our thing!

All: Na...na...na...gonna have a good time!
 
WesmanTexanfan said:
If we want our stars to stay, we need to show them that we want to win by at least attempting to sign someone like Al.
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So far he has only performed in contract years. He has been dominant yes, but I wonder how he will play once he has all that guaranteed money in his pocket. He has only had 2 pro bowl seasons in his entire career so it's not like he has been a beast since day 1.

I would rather we pass on him and he goes to another division, but if resigning with the Titans becomes his top priority I say we go for him so that they don't get him back.
 
WolverineFan said:
So far he has only performed in contract years. He has been dominant yes, but I wonder how he will play once he has all that guaranteed money in his pocket. He has only had 2 pro bowl seasons in his entire career so it's not like he has been a beast since day 1.

I would rather we pass on him and he goes to another division, but if resigning with the Titans becomes his top priority I say we go for him so that they don't get him back.
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He would bring a nastiness to the D that I think would fit well. We have fine, hard working, upstanding human beings on this team, I want a little dirt to add to the water.

OK, over the top, but I hope the point was made.
 
Showtime100 said:
He would bring a nastiness to the D that I think would fit well. We have fine, hard working, upstanding human beings on this team, I want a little dirt to add to the water.

OK, over the top, but I hope the point was made.
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Yes the point was made and I agree with you somewhat. I'm just one of those guys who is hesitant about free agency. You never know what you're going to get with some of these "contract year" players.
 
If he came here, he'd stink it up.

He's a guy who plays hard only when it counts. Once he gets that new contract, he won't be the same.

Then what? He becomes a divisive little turd who causes dissention and is a distraction for everyone on the team.

Let the guy move on to Tampa or some other non-AFC South team...that's easily an instant "win-win" for us: First win is that we don't pay for him, and 2nd win is that he's off our schedule as a divisional foe.

But I hesitate to pay him what he wants AND to wait and see which player we get for that huge payday.
 
Ok, humor me a little.

When have we EVER signed a big money free agent that worked out. That a year later did nothing but be big drain on the cap, and end up being released two years down the road with nothing but a lot of dead money to show for it?

Count me in the "Don't touch these big money free agents with a ten foot pole" group.
 
GP said:
If he came here, he'd stink it up.

He's a guy who plays hard only when it counts. Once he gets that new contract, he won't be the same.

Then what? He becomes a divisive little turd who causes dissention and is a distraction for everyone on the team.

Let the guy move on to Tampa or some other non-AFC South team...that's easily an instant "win-win" for us: First win is that we don't pay for him, and 2nd win is that he's off our schedule as a divisional foe.

But I hesitate to pay him what he wants AND to wait and see which player we get for that huge payday.
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It doesn't matter if he plays hard, do you understand the impact he has on the game after the last two years of dominance? Teams have to double him no matter what he does. The effect he would have on Amobi and Williams would be worth the signing.

But that is a hell of a lot of money tied up into one part of your team, not sure if that's a great idea.
 
Bulluck53 said:
It doesn't matter if he plays hard, do you understand the impact he has on the game after the last two years of dominance? Teams have to double him no matter what he does. The effect he would have on Amobi and Williams would be worth the signing.

But that is a hell of a lot of money tied up into one part of your team, not sure if that's a great idea.
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Teams won't double team him long if he reverts back to his pre-contract years play. Then we are stuck with an expensive contract for a lazy butt.

Pass on Hainesworth - let him go someplace else.
 
Thats fine. They would double Mario then let Haynesworth go wild... he wouldn't have to go full bore to do that. His signing would help the othersw on the d-line temendously. You think Antwann Odom, Randy Starks and Travis LaBoy got those big contracts because of their skills?
 
Bulluck53 said:
It doesn't matter if he plays hard, do you understand the impact he has on the game after the last two years of dominance? Teams have to double him no matter what he does. The effect he would have on Amobi and Williams would be worth the signing.

But that is a hell of a lot of money tied up into one part of your team, not sure if that's a great idea.
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I'm really torn on this one. He's definitely not a good fit for the 'squeaky clean' image McNair wants to convey, but there's little doubt he could/would have a HUGE impact to our pass rush. Despite all the claims to the contrary, these high-impact guys on the line do NOT grow on trees!
 
Grams said:
Teams won't double team him long if he reverts back to his pre-contract years play. Then we are stuck with an expensive contract for a lazy butt.

Pass on Hainesworth - let him go someplace else.
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The issue to be concerned about won't be his effort on the field. However, if he's been motivated in the past two off-seasons to work his butt off in order to get his big deal then the relaxing of his off-season preparation would be my main worry. If/when that happens then injuries tend to crop up and his gameday play would be much less consistant.
 
Bulluck53 said:
It doesn't matter if he plays hard, do you understand the impact he has on the game after the last two years of dominance? Teams have to double him no matter what he does. The effect he would have on Amobi and Williams would be worth the signing.

But that is a hell of a lot of money tied up into one part of your team, not sure if that's a great idea.
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Your last sentence is even more proof that this is a bad idea for the Texans.

Marcus' post, a few posts down, is enough of a reason all by itself.

We would only do this deal if we had just made the playoffs after going 11-5 or even 10-6...you do this sort of deal if you're one step away from the Super Bowl. This deal would get you over the top, in terms of getting the ultimate defense to stop any offense out there.

We're not there yet. This would be a huge gamble, at best, due to the lack of talent on the remainder of our defense.

When he is at his peak, he IS unstoppable on so many levels. I just think it would be a very short honeymoon for him AND the Texans if he came here right now.
 
I agree with you on the financials, GP, and that it wouldn't be the best idea for the Texans. But his impact would be felt.

If you (not directed at anyone inparticular) think teams won't sign Al because of the stomping incident you haven't been paying attention to the NFL the past 5 years
 
Malloy said:
Sorry, I cant stand the sucker.

IF we ever sign him I hope it is a 1-year signing, it seems as if he plays better when his contract is running out. Consecutive 1-year deals :)
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I completely agree with you. He has absolutely no class and overrated IMO.

Even if we haven't played well at times, our guys have kept their dignity and CLASS - even when Matt was getting pounded, they did not 'retaliate'.

I hope the Texans have learned a FA lesson or two *cough green*. It is possible to have a good team without them!
 
blogkimmy said:
I completely agree with you. He has absolutely no class and overrated IMO.

Even if we haven't played well at times, our guys have kept their dignity and CLASS - even when Matt was getting pounded, they did not 'retaliate'.

I hope the Texans have learned a FA lesson or two *cough green*. It is possible to have a good team without them!
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This goes back to the story that I told when Fat Albert got hurt. I didn't feel bad for the guy at all. Some people were chastizing me in my section, but Toro of all people agreed with me. He loved seeing Fat Al rolling around and in pain.

Man, I have some cow-love for our mascot Toro!:logo:
 
I'd like to see us throw an offer out there just to up his asking price in the event the Tacks try to resign him. If he signs with us fine, we gambled and "maybe" lost. Upside is he continues his dominant play AND we no longer have to play him 2x a year. Downside is he becomes a bust BUT we no longer have to play dominant Albert 2x a year.
 
Bulluck53 said:
I agree with you on the financials, GP, and that it wouldn't be the best idea for the Texans. But his impact would be felt.

If you (not directed at anyone inparticular) think teams won't sign Al because of the stomping incident you haven't been paying attention to the NFL the past 5 years
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It is directed at me. I don't care though.

Its not just the one time incident that has me against him, everything thats been said about the financial implication, the probability of him "coasting, our overall defense still needing to show improvement instead of one guy fixing the whole thing (bar defensive coordinator, since thats his job anyway) are the major influencing in my opinion.

The face stomping incident just puts it over the top :cowboy1:
 
I have no problem with Big Al coming here. With him on the line with Mario, we would have one hell of a defense.

But...not being a salary cap expert (and knowing virtually nothing about it) I would want to make sure we had plenty to offer Mario when his contract comes back up. I would prefer to see us sign Mario to a long term extension next year...before he becomes a FA. If Big Al coming here makes this too difficult, he can go elsewhere.

I really doubt AH will be a Texan...but I wouldn't mind him being on our team.
 
i don't see how anyone could have a problem with us signing Haynesworth. some of yall act like if we sign Albert the whole outhouse is going to go up in flames...and then we act like we have been burned soooo bad in Free Agency in the past. We haven't even made the slightest wave in free agency. Our forays into free agency have involved 2nd to 3rd tier talents where we overpay for them (see Weaver, Greenwood, Green, Wade, etc.). We have never gone after anyone that could actually make an impact outside of our early franchise flirtation with Orlando Pace.

Yeah, when you overpay for losers like Weaver and Greenwood, of course you are going to get burned. Why not go after top Free Agents instead? This nickel and dime act hasn't worked and its not going to work but a lot of us think we shouldn't even look to FA because of our sordid past in that area. Blame that on Asserley and his crew of losers. Yeah Green was Smith's work but I am not going to be afraid of making a move just because it hasn't worked in the past. It sure is better than sitting on your ass and doing nothing.

We need to stop overpaying for 2nd and 3rd tier and start overpaying for 1st Tier players. At least they can make a difference and improve the team unlike losers like Carr, Greenwood, Wade, Weaver, etc that got paid and then sucked the big one. We had no problem paying too much for those losers...why is everyone so against paying too much for someone who can actually play the freaking game.....geez. It's expensive and isn't a guarantee but its better than the alternative....being a scared little girl afraid to get burned.

Personally, I think it may do more for our team to go out and attract Ray Lewis because he would bring the intensity and leadership that we so sorely lack on our defense and I am not sure Big Al is going to bring even a fraction of the intensity and leadership of Lewis. Yeah, its a short term fix but if we can get him in the Texans fold maybe we could retain him for our defensive staff when he retires. He is going to make a fine coach, perhaps even a fine Head Coach some day.

to the Free Agent naysayers, I say grow a pair...please. It's not your money and the salary cap hysteria is a myth perpetuated by cheap owners and ineffective GMs. Give Al an offer and at worst you can help drive the price up for any prospective signing...and Indianapolis is one of the teams mentioned. I don't want Al in Indy with Mathis and Freeney...that would suck.
 
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Marcus said:
Ok, humor me a little.

When have we EVER signed a big money free agent that worked out. That a year later did nothing but be big drain on the cap, and end up being released two years down the road with nothing but a lot of dead money to show for it?

Count me in the "Don't touch these big money free agents with a ten foot pole" group.
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You are in good company with that mindset. I heard Bill Polian interviewed Sunday about free agency and really liked his take. He said he would rather us that money to reward the player son his team since he knows what effort they give first hand and how they fit into their team dynamic. He emphasized the need to build in the draft so you have quality players to reward later. It was his opinion that the way teams view free agency with a kind of desperation and it makes teams over pay since they are competing for the small pool of FA talent. He stated that in his experience very few players actually play up to the value of their FA contracts for new teams.
 
Meh, based on the FA's now, I would say Fat Al is the last one you'd consider "top tier"

I have nothing against going after top tier players. I'll take any other top teir player besides Haynesworth, and I've already made my feeling clear about him.

Leroy Hill may not be considered "top tier" but I doubt too many people woud bust a kidney if we went after him. I'd say the same for Bart Scott, and maybe Ray Lewis, I'd rather not take Ray Lewis unless we're planing to move Demeco to outside (which won't be too bad) and plan to pick up a rookie to learn behind them. Theres also safeties Jermaine Phillips, and OJ Otogwe out there (at least to my knowledge)

There are a few "maybe" guys I do actually want to go after, if only to see what they have in training camp. Shaun Cody and Jabari Greer being among them.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
to the Free Agent naysayers, I say grow a pair...please. It's not your money and the salary cap hysteria is a myth perpetuated by cheap owners and ineffective GMs.
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Well that's not a very good arguement! That's like saying, let's trade up for Player X at the #1 pick! It's not your draft picks and money you have to spend getting the guy! We've got some very good players of our own we're going to have to resign to high dollar guaranteed contracts in the next three years.

Back to Haynesworth though. The thing that scares me so much would be giving him the contract and then he doesn't perform like he recently has. "Get's his pay day" and that's all he's worried about.

I do think though having Haynesworth brings this defense THAT much closer to a championship calibre D. I think it would do wonders for Mario and Amobi to the point where the other DE spot isn't considered a huge liability anymore. Bulman would probably get 8+ sacks.

If we were to get Haynesworth, we'd have Travis, Okam and Deljuan rotating in. I'd like to see us get some sort of DE but not a 1st rd pick. I'd target a SLB or a Safety. Trading down in the first would be great and maybe getting a Patrick Chung. With Dunta getting franchised, I think our CB situation is dandy. But if we get Brian Cushing at 15 and an instinctive SS in the 2nd, I think our defense would be completely turned around... as in performing at an A+ level.
 
I don't want Haynesworth...

If we're going to sign guys to gigantic contracts I'd rather it be guys that were drafted by the team...

I like the idea of building through the draft...
 
Polo said:
I don't want Haynesworth...

If we're going to sign guys to gigantic contracts I'd rather it be guys that were drafted by the team...

I like the idea of building through the draft...
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I agree with you. As mentioned in another thread, next year we'll be looking at Dunta again, Demeco, Daniels, Walter, Pitts. The following year Leach, Bennett, Diles. 2011- Mario, Slaton, Adibi, Molden. 2012-Schaub, Duane Brown and Okoye.

Scary just thinking about it.
 
Polo said:
I don't want Haynesworth...

If we're going to sign guys to gigantic contracts I'd rather it be guys that were drafted by the team...

I like the idea of building through the draft...
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we have built through the draft. you have to accentuate your roster with free agent moves though. as for paying the guys that we drafted, I am all for that and we are doing that. what is the big problem with signing quality players? its like some people dont want to win and are content with being in the bottom half of the league as long as we 'do it the right way' or as long as we have a bunch of choirboys. Improve the freaking team. It's that easy.

well I got news for you...its not the right way. the right way is doing everything you can to improve your team...whether it be cutting losers like Carr (which has made more difference than any roster move we ever made) or trading for quality (like Schaub) or signing quality free agents (which we have yet to ever do) all the while constantly stockpiling talent in the draft (Mario, DeMeco, Slaton, Winston, etc.)
 
How many large FA signings did the Steelers do? How many did Colts do?

Holy **** stop mentioning YKW he has been gone for two freaking years already.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I agree with you. As mentioned in another thread, next year we'll be looking at Dunta again, Demeco, Daniels, Walter, Pitts. The following year Leach, Bennett, Diles. 2011- Mario, Slaton, Adibi, Molden. 2012-Schaub, Duane Brown and Okoye.

Scary just thinking about it.
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2010 is uncapped and we could tender over half of those guys and they would be RFA. So because you are worried about resigning DUANE BROWN!! we should not be involved in FA? a guy we just drafted and isn't even a proven commodity at his position?

Leach? Bennett? Adibi? Diles? Molden? Really? are you kidding me? you are worried about signing those guys? Leach could be coveted but those other guys are just that. They are JAG. Just another guy.

grow a pair and realize that just because the player is a Texan doesn't make him good. all those guys are good players but you can't retard the development or improvement of your team because you are worried about resigning guys 3 years from now...especially when we know that 2010 is uncapped and it is 100% up in the air about anything after that.

cmon guys. just say 'I don't want Haynesworth because he is a jerk and he may lack motivation post-contract'....that is a legit take and isn't without merit but all this hemming and hawwing about our existing players or future years is just ludicrous and banal. cmon now.
 
Specnatz said:
How many large FA signings did the Steelers do? How many did Colts do?

Holy **** stop mentioning YKW he has been gone for two freaking years already.
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are we the Steelers? please don't tell me you are comparing the Steelers situation to the Texans...pfft, please. are we the Colts? the Colts are already loaded with talent already, having spent big $$ retaining those players that were worth retaining (of which there have been legion) and are now mentioned as the co-front runners to get Big Al along with Tampa Bay.

stop mentioning YKW? why because its an inconvenient truth? i am saying that historically the only guys we have ever paid big $$ to have all sucked...and that is because we haven't gone after the top tier guys...we go after the 2nd or 3rd tier...not mentioning YKW would be forgetting our failures and whitewashing over them...i will leave that to the homers...fact is whether you like it or not, it was a failure of a decision and deserves to be mentioned. sorry if it hurts your feelings.

we need to stop worrying about all this other BS. just win and do whatever it takes to win and if that means taking some risks...so be it. grow a pair, geez.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Not only that, they don't re-sign their own guys when they reach a certain level (i.e. Greg Lloyd, Kevin Green and Rod Woodson)


I don't even have to ask. :gun:
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its funny how you guys don't want to mention something only 2 years later..but then in your own post you mention things that happened decades+ ago. i know its not pretty but to forget the past will only doom you to repeat it. it may hurt some of yall's feelings that your former face of the franchise and someone you made so many excuses for was such a pile of dog crap but its the truth and I will mention it whenever the hell I feel its warranted.

..and when talking about the Texans overpaying for losers....its very warranted. but God forbid pay players that can actually play the game..that would be sooooooo wrong and misguided of a move.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
2010 is uncapped and we could tender over half of those guys and they would be RFA. So because you are worried about resigning DUANE BROWN!! we should not be involved in FA? a guy we just drafted and isn't even a proven commodity at his position?

Leach? Bennett? Adibi? Diles? Molden? Really? are you kidding me? you are worried about signing those guys? Leach could be coveted but those other guys are just that. They are JAG. Just another guy.

grow a pair and realize that just because the player is a Texan doesn't make him good. all those guys are good players but you can't retard the development or improvement of your team because you are worried about resigning guys 3 years from now...especially when we know that 2010 is uncapped and it is 100% up in the air about anything after that.

cmon guys. just say 'I don't want Haynesworth because he is a jerk and he may lack motivation post-contract'....that is a legit take and isn't without merit but all this hemming and hawwing about our existing players or future years is just ludicrous and banal. cmon now.
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Having a bad day? I think you're taking this stuff way too personal.

You failed to mention Mario, Demeco, Daniels, Schaub. The others are players that could potentially develop into really valuable players for our team. Duane Brown... you serious? Look how much Carolina just gave Jordan Gross. If Brown develops into our franchise LT, he's going to get PAAIIDD. $60M w/ 30M guaranteed. These players aren't all certainties but are ones where if you just hold a blind eye and are only concerned about the here and then now, you'll be paying for it in the future.

Read 5 posts up and you've got my views on Haynesworth.
 
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