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LZs premiere 2009 Mock has us taking a DT. No Way !

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1. Detroit - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia: The Lions need a QB, but do they need this one? My guess is they will try and trade back but with no success. Stafford's football smarts have been questioned by a few insiders behind the scenes. The Lions could also look at Mark Sanchez in this spot.

2. St. Louis - Eugene Monroe, LT, Virginia: The Rams have an aging LT in Pace and a disappointing RT in Barron. Monroe helps them get better up front right away.

3. Kansas City - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama: The Chiefs are looking to get bigger on the offensive and defensive lines and Smith fits the bill. He can play RT opposite last year's first rounder, Brandon Albert.

4. Seattle - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC: Matt Hasselbeck is getting older and when teams buy into a young QB prospect, they love to pull the trigger. I'm guessing Seattle buys in.

5. Cleveland - Aaron Curry, OLB, Virginia: The Browns are still looking to fortify their pass rush and Curry is the type of all-around LB that would fit perfectly in the Browns 3-4.

6. Cincinnati - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College: While the Bengals will be looking for someone to replace Stacy Andrews at RT in the draft, I think they will look for that later in the draft. Raji helps against the run and pass right away.

7. Oakland - Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss : Al Davis loves size and speed, but he'll have to settle for size with Michael Oher anchoring the offensive line at either LT or RT.

8. Jacksonville - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Jacksonville: The Jaguars pass defense was much poorer than expected last year as CB Florence had a disappointing season as a free agent. In a division that features Peyton Manning and the Texans, you must look for good CBs and Jenkins is the best this year.

9. Green Bay - Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State: The Packers are smartly transitioning to a 3-4 which actually fits their personnel better. The Packers need to find a pass rusher in the worst way and Brown is a great fit. Brown reminds me a little bit of LaMarr Woodley but only with greater length.

10. San Francisco - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech: The Niners know that they have to get better on offense and one of their first priorities should be finding a top-notch #1 WR. If this isn't Crabtree then it could be the speedier Jeremy Maclin.

11. Buffalo - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
12. Denver - Ray Maualuga, ILB, USC
13. Washington - Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
14. New Orleans - Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

15. Houston - Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss: While most draft pundits might not have Jerry this high, scouts already believe that he might be better than Amobi Okoye right now. Jerry and Okoye both play the 3-technique DT but new defensive line coach doesn't mind rotating DTs in and out and Jerry's motor might be too much to pass up on. The Texans, however, could look at the defensive line as a position they've put too much money in already to invest another pick in. Then again, they might care more about getting the problem fixed. I honestly believe that USC OLB Brian Cushing could be a possibility here as well.

16. San Diego (8-8) - Brian Cushing, LB, USC
17. New York Jets (9-7) - Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
18. Chicago (9-7) - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
19. Tampa Bay - D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
20. Detroit - Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
21. Philadelphia - Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
22. Minnesota - Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
23. New England - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
24. Atlanta - Fili Moala, DT, USC
25. Miami - Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
26. Baltimore - James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
27. Indianapolis - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
28. Philadelphia - Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
29. New York Giants - Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
30. Tennessee - Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
31. Arizona - Max Unger, C, Oregon
32. Pittsburgh - Alex Mack, C, Cal: For Steelers fans who are reading this, I just can't find an offensive tackle I like enough to put one in this spot so for now I'll stick with best available lineman.
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I'm a big LZ fan, but I'd be very surprised if we drafted an Okoye clone, even
if Jerry is a slight upgrade of the origional.
 
I agree, no Okoye clones, as we already have a work in progress. We need a player that come in make an impact, but also to provide a skill set that is different than what we already have.

I like Brace in the 3rd, but I would rather jump up to take him in the 2nd than a reach for Jerry in the 1st. Both options I would rather not take.

I saw LZ thought Orakpo may slip, and his mock shows that. But Orakpo at 15 and Matthews in th 2nd make us faster, smarter and better on the Defensive side of the ball.
 
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Kaiser Toro said:
I saw LZ thought Orakpo may slip, and his mock shows that. But Orakpo at 15 and Matthews in th 2nd make us faster, smarter and better on the Defensive side of the ball.
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LZ obviously thinks Orako is not suited for the 4-3 and instead will need to
transistion to the 3-4 as an OLB in the NFL, else he'd probably take him if he was on the Board at #15.
If you've been watching the Senior Bowl practices you know Jerry has been impressive, but the #1 standout among DTs is B.J. Raji because he's got Jerry's quicks but he's 'bout 25-30 lbs bigger. We would take him at #15 because he's so much more than Jerry or Okoye, so much more versatile but he'll be long gone.
Cushing is a possibility and I dunno but wonder if he's not a better value for us than the overhyped Rey-Rey ?
 
Jerry is most likely the best fit with the scheme we're alleged to be going with. He's quick, agile, and can get to the passer, which seems to be all we're focused on.

For those wanting us to take a clogger like Brace or Dorell Scott, it simply won't happen. Frank Bush claims to want players who will shoot the gaps and make plays in the backfield, and Kollar's DLs fit this mold as well. This probably fits our personnel better since we have a slew of one gap penetrators who are unable to even command a double team, much less beat one. What makes Jerry different than what we already have is his quickness. He's much quicker and more agile than anybody we have on the roster. That being said, that's pretty much all he has. He's going to be a 25 year old rookie who is undersized and not stout at the point of attack and gets pushed around in the running game. He has the makings of another guy who is more or less done if he doesn't beat the blocker with his quickness. I think he'd probably work best in a Tampa-2.

We'd probably be better off going with Orakpo at this pick and hoping for Ziggy Hood in the second or even Mitch King in the later rounds.
 
nunusguy said:
LZ obviously thinks Orako is not suited for the 4-3 and instead will need to
transistion to the 3-4 as an OLB in the NFL, else he'd probably take him if he was on the Board at #15.
If you've been watching the Senior Bowl practices you know Jerry has been impressive, but the #1 standout among DTs is B.J. Raji because he's got Jerry's quicks but he's 'bout 25-30 lbs bigger. We would take him at #15 because he's so much more than Jerry or Okoye, so much more versatile but he'll be long gone.
Cushing is a possibility and I dunno but wonder if he's not a better value for us than the overhyped Rey-Rey ?
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I just see Orakpo as a multi dimensional player and believe the 4-3, 3-4 question is about Orakpo's draft value, more so if he can play one or the other. Smart, fast and strong go a long way in overcoming adversity in this league.

If Raji were selected at #15, I would not be complaining.
 
Surprising that he has the Texans taking Jerry, but I don't believe he'll be there at 15. I'm also surprised that he doesn't have Michael Johnson going in the 1st. I know there are a lot of questions out there about his work ethic and his dedication to the game, but I don't think the Texans can pass up that kind of athlete at a position of need. I wouldn't mind him or Orakpo. I just don't see him falling that far either.

I'm not a Brian Cushing fan. I'd rather the Texans go after Michael Boley from Atlanta who is an UFA.
 
Orakpo is probaly going to grade out as being an OLB in a 3-4, which means he will not be a Texan.

I'm not sold on drafting Jerry, espically given that Okoye is still so young, but we shall see.
 
LOL, Jerry is not an Amobi clone at all. He's a very similar type of DT as Amobi, but the pick of AO was purely based on the kids upside and potential.

Jerry is not a 2nd round DT, he's the best UT in the draft and definitely worth a 1st rd pick. I'd even say he would come in and be better at stopping the run and rushing the passer than Amobi is right now.

I was where yall were sitting a while ago. I don't want another UT, we've got that. I want a Raji or maybe even a Brace later on. But that's not what this DL coach does. He doesn't have huge guys to eat up space, he has all four D-linemen rushing into the backfield practically every play. Brace, Okam aren't those guys. If we're going to pick a DT on the 1st day, he's going to be a guy that can get in the backfield.

Jerry would be a good pick. Not my favorite, but all the guys we really want will probably be gone and Jerry would be BPA. Amobi and Jerry would most likely start next to each other with Travis a backup.

Is Cushing starting to come back up the boards now? I thought that guy got injured every other play.

I will add Vontae Davis could be an intruiging selection.
 
Hood and King look real good, and will be thre in the later rounds. I dont really like what Ive seen of Brace at Senior Bowl practice. I'd love to trade down in this instance and gather more picks.
 
I'm not a HUGE fan of taking another DT in the first. DE I wouldn't be opposed to. If Orakpo fell there I would be a little disappointed if we didn't take him. Guy is listed as 3 inches higher then Freeney but weighs about 8lbs less. I like that he took boxing and will probably use his hands intelligently as a pro. Not sure if we are "set" at DT but I don't we are hurting terribly enough to justify using a 1st. I think best value for the team would be a LB.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I just see Orakpo as a multi dimensional player and believe the 4-3, 3-4 question is about Orakpo's draft value, more so if he can play one or the other. Smart, fast and strong go a long way in overcoming adversity in this league.

If Raji were selected at #15, I would not be complaining.
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I agree 100%. Quick DTs like Peria may occasionally disrupt Qb but we better come up with a way to shut down the run. Lance's DT may be better than any we have but that just means we have a better talent that can't stop the RB. Orakpo I'd be ok with but does nothing for the run. Raji or Brace should stop run and still collapse pocket back pressuring the QB..
 
Picks I disagree with:

4. Seattle - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC:

I think ESPN is getting the mock drafters to believe in the Sanchez hype. The guy isn't polished enough to go #4. Seattle would be a good place for him because he could sit behind Hasselbeck, but is this really their biggest need? I don't think so. I see Sanchez going 10-15. This looks like a reach to me.
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10. San Francisco - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

Agree that the Niners should take him if he is there. I just don't see him dropping to 10.
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15. Houston - Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss

I am very high on Jerry. I would love this pick...if Orakpo weren't still on the board. Jerry can do it all and is very underrated at this point.

16. San Diego (8-8) - Brian Cushing, LB, USC

Where does Cushing fit in a 3-4 defense? Does he have the speed to be an edge rusher?
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20. Detroit - Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

Seemed to me like Kevin Smith and Calvin Johnson were the only good players the Lions had last season. Now they will replace one of them? I don't buy that.
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23. New England - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

I get the pick, but no chance Orakpo falls to 23. None. LZ has him going to a 3-4 defense so he obviously had him fall because he doesn't think he will fit the 4-3. I disagree. Orakpo is one of the top two weak side DE pass rushers in this draft (only Brown is potentially better, I think). His ability against the run is not a strength, but he is serviceable enough in that area that it is not a weakness either.
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27. Indianapolis - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

I thought Indianapolis loved speed on defense? Jackson will make a great strong side DE, but he is a run stuffer. Doesn't do much as far as pass rush. Had 8 sacks as a soph, but then 3.5 as a junior, and 4.5 as a senior.

Everything else looks great. I especially like the Pettigrew and Laurinaitis picks.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
LOL, Jerry is not an Amobi clone at all. He's a very similar type of DT as Amobi, but the pick of AO was purely based on the kids upside and potential.

Jerry is not a 2nd round DT, he's the best UT in the draft and definitely worth a 1st rd pick. I'd even say he would come in and be better at stopping the run and rushing the passer than Amobi is right now.

I was where yall were sitting a while ago. I don't want another UT, we've got that. I want a Raji or maybe even a Brace later on. But that's not what this DL coach does. He doesn't have huge guys to eat up space, he has all four D-linemen rushing into the backfield practically every play. Brace, Okam aren't those guys. If we're going to pick a DT on the 1st day, he's going to be a guy that can get in the backfield.

Jerry would be a good pick. Not my favorite, but all the guys we really want will probably be gone and Jerry would be BPA. Amobi and Jerry would most likely start next to each other with Travis a backup.

Is Cushing starting to come back up the boards now? I thought that guy got injured every other play.

I will add Vontae Davis could be an intruiging selection.
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I know you like you're guy, he's from your school, but we've got not one but 2 first round Draft picks who are already of the same style/type, i.e., there all basically one-gap DTs. And based upon from I've seen, Jerry is clearly the best of the three. But the Texans just don't have so much
talent that they can afford the luxury of that kind of redunduncy, even if Jerry is the BPA at #15.
If LZs Board were to really play out that way in April, there's atleast a half dozen players I'd take before Jerry, to maybe include even one or 2 offensive prospects.
 
nunusguy said:
I know you like you're guy, he's from your school, but we've got not one but 2 first round Draft picks who are already of the same style/type, i.e., there all basically one-gap DTs. And based upon from I've seen, Jerry is clearly the best of the three. But the Texans just don't have so much
talent that they can afford the luxury of that kind of redunduncy, even if Jerry is the BPA at #15.
If LZs Board were to really play out that way in April, there's atleast a half dozen players I'd take before Jerry, to maybe include even one or 2 offensive prospects.
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He's not my guy, my guy this year is Raji. :) (Patrick Willis in '07 and Brandon Albert in '08) I think Jerry is the real deal and going to be a star in the NFL. With that said, I'm not a homer and will tell it like it is. I'd rather have Raji than Jerry. The fact we've got two 1st rd picks at DT already is a moot point to me. If their salaries were awful, it'd be a problem but I don't think having Amobi, Travis and Jerry at DT would hurt our team financially in the least bit.

There are two DT spots so you need two DTs to fill them. If the new DL coach can get Travis to turn the corner (which I think could be a possibility) then its a different story. Amobi has another few years to mature and he could be a beast. Travis is a FA after this year, i think? If he plays like crap, he's gone or he gets a much lower backup salary. I think he'd be a good backup. Which brings me to the next point... who do you have starting at DT? I see a lot of good depth on this team but no real starters.

I think spending another high draft pick on the DL (assuming they are worth their selection) is a MUST. We've already invested so much in the DL, we're trying to make it the stength and foundation of the D... why quit now? We can't be scared, we've got to get our players more help or else Amobi will never be able to shine. I think DT and DE are both needs.

Like you said though, there are several other players that could be viable picks at 15 if they decide not to go the DT route. Trade down this year could be a really good thing.
 
I pretty much agree with bah007, I would not mind the pick at all other than the fact that Orakpo is still on the board. I know Lance has some scouts he trusts that don't think Orakpo is a top 10-15 guy but I have to disagree. Now if he is off the board Jerry would be a fine pick. We would still need a pass rusher either in FA or the draft, and it would maybe be another year without a good safety prospect but if he looks like the best available you gotta do it. TJ is probably gone after 1 more season and with Jerry, Okoye, and Robinson rotating at DT we could have a real solid middle.
 
bah007 said:
Picks I disagree with:

4. Seattle - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC:

I think ESPN is getting the mock drafters to believe in the Sanchez hype. The guy isn't polished enough to go #4. Seattle would be a good place for him because he could sit behind Hasselbeck, but is this really their biggest need? I don't think so. I see Sanchez going 10-15. This looks like a reach to me.
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10. San Francisco - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

Agree that the Niners should take him if he is there. I just don't see him dropping to 10.
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15. Houston - Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss

I am very high on Jerry. I would love this pick...if Orakpo weren't still on the board. Jerry can do it all and is very underrated at this point.

16. San Diego (8-8) - Brian Cushing, LB, USC

Where does Cushing fit in a 3-4 defense? Does he have the speed to be an edge rusher?
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20. Detroit - Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

Seemed to me like Kevin Smith and Calvin Johnson were the only good players the Lions had last season. Now they will replace one of them? I don't buy that.
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23. New England - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

I get the pick, but no chance Orakpo falls to 23. None. LZ has him going to a 3-4 defense so he obviously had him fall because he doesn't think he will fit the 4-3. I disagree. Orakpo is one of the top two weak side DE pass rushers in this draft (only Brown is potentially better, I think). His ability against the run is not a strength, but he is serviceable enough in that area that it is not a weakness either.
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27. Indianapolis - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

I thought Indianapolis loved speed on defense? Jackson will make a great strong side DE, but he is a run stuffer. Doesn't do much as far as pass rush. Had 8 sacks as a soph, but then 3.5 as a junior, and 4.5 as a senior.

Everything else looks great. I especially like the Pettigrew and Laurinaitis picks.
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Cushing played DE, ILB, OLB and some safety at USC. I think he's could enough to be an outstanding 4-3 SLB, or a 3-4 LB that could see some snaps at OLB and some at ILB. His ability to cover is way underrated at this point.

Of course all of this is my opinion, and I'd love for Cushing to play for the Texans.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Cushing played DE, ILB, OLB and some safety at USC. I think he's could enough to be an outstanding 4-3 SLB, or a 3-4 LB that could see some snaps at OLB and some at ILB. His ability to cover is way underrated at this point.

Of course all of this is my opinion, and I'd love for Cushing to play for the Texans.
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I think Cushing is underrated as well.

I just think he would make a better Sam in a 4-3 than a rush LB in a 3-4.
 
I wouldn't be dissappointed with Cushing in the least bit. He seems like a well rounded linebacker, has the size and athleticism and can even move up to rush the passer on occasion.

Ideally, if we want him, I'd like to see us somehow trade down a few slots into the 20's maybe. Of course he could get taken, but he's a history of injuries that will cause GM's to raise the red flag. He would be able to play SLB and keep Demeco inside. If we could get a 3rd rounder with a small trade down maybe we could find that power back to compliment Slaton. And go after a DE or S in the 2nd and viceversa in the 3rd.
 
bah007 said:
I think Cushing is underrated as well.

I just think he would make a better Sam in a 4-3 than a rush LB in a 3-4.
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I agree about him playing SAM, but I think he his ability to rush and cover could be used as justification for him to be drafted by a team who uses the 3-4. Cushing lining up in a zone blitz scheme could cause nightmares.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I wouldn't be dissappointed with Cushing in the least bit. He seems like a well rounded linebacker, has the size and athleticism and can even move up to rush the passer on occasion.

Ideally, if we want him, I'd like to see us somehow trade down a few slots into the 20's maybe. Of course he could get taken, but he's a history of injuries that will cause GM's to raise the red flag. He would be able to play SLB and keep Demeco inside. If we could get a 3rd rounder with a small trade down maybe we could find that power back to compliment Slaton. And go after a DE or S in the 2nd and viceversa in the 3rd.
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You got any detailed info on his injury history? I know he's had a few issue with his ankles and shoulders, but I can find the specifics needed to judge who seriosu of a concern the history might be.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
You got any detailed info on his injury history? I know he's had a few issue with his ankles and shoulders, but I can find the specifics needed to judge who seriosu of a concern the history might be.
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Missed nearly half of his freshman season with a shoulder injury and was held out of some of the following seasons spring drills while recuperating...Sat out most of spring practice in 2007 with a strained hamstring then had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee...Also missed extensive action during the 2007 season with an ankle injury...Broke a bone in his right hand in 2008 and played with a cast but didn't miss any games
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He has also had steroid allegations, though those can be frivolous and he's never failed a test.

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For the record, I don't buy the steroid allegations, but I present the photographic evidence in order to provide fair and balanced coverage.
 
27. Indianapolis - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

I thought Indianapolis loved speed on defense? Jackson will make a great strong side DE, but he is a run stuffer. Doesn't do much as far as pass rush. Had 8 sacks as a soph, but then 3.5 as a junior, and 4.5 as a senior.

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Supposedly the Colts are going to go in a little different direction defensively as Caldwell is tired of watching the defense get gashed in the running game. I can see Tyson Jackson as a two down DE and then being bumped down inside to DT on passing downs while Mathis comes in at DE. Jackson would make them much more stout against the runs and there are some out there who think he might be able to gain 10 to 15 pounds and play the under tackle.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I agree about him playing SAM, but I think he his ability to rush and cover could be used as justification for him to be drafted by a team who uses the 3-4. Cushing lining up in a zone blitz scheme could cause nightmares.
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The Jags not so subtle tip on who they are taking. (Brian Cushing)

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D-ReK said:
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He has also had steroid allegations, though those can be frivolous and he's never failed a test.

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For the record, I don't buy the steroid allegations, but I present the photographic evidence in order to provide fair and balanced coverage.
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From softy man titties to Swatzenager in one year. What a joke. The guy is overrated anyway. Hope we stay away from him.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I just see Orakpo as a multi dimensional player and believe the 4-3, 3-4 question is about Orakpo's draft value, more so if he can play one or the other. Smart, fast and strong go a long way in overcoming adversity in this league.

If Raji were selected at #15, I would not be complaining.
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So Orakpo starts out as the Texas rover linebacker....covering the RB's, tight ends, and slot guys the big twelve features his freshman and sophmore years.
Drops down and dominates just about every OLT he cuts trails with....the one he doesn't is currently sky rocketing up the draft boards.....Smith.

He's 265 ...now. He out lifts everyone on the team now.....He has some of the longest arms and biggest hands in the draft class now.....yeah the guys a real crap soot. Hey he's plug and play KT.

Just be glad it's not my call. I'd sale the farm to move up and get him. There's a Raji on the board every draft. Guys like Orakpo...guys that have the numbers that indicate they will be dominate players, only come around once in a while.


Not banging Raji. If we take him at the fifteen he'd be a good clean pick. But he isn't going to put the defense on his back and drag them into the top fifteen.

And if Zerlien was worth a damn he would of already posted this is the most talented group of centers to come down the pike in a very long time. I haven't researched it yet....but maybe since the merger. And three of those center guys no one is talking about just punked Raji and Brace in the Senior Bowl. And that there thingy is the unvarnished truth. Know what I mean by punked ?


http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/mock2329.htm
 
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pete, I think you have lost it. honestly. I find it so hard to comprehend your posts anymore. It's beyond just not agreeing with you. You are just coming from left field on some things man.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
pete, I think you have lost it. honestly. I find it so hard to comprehend your posts anymore. It's beyond just not agreeing with you. You are just coming from left field on some things man.
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No I under stand....Ray got a FF Saturday and you love the physical presence he brings....I got it. But paying two Middle line backers top thirty two money is what is out in left field here. If you want to move Ryans out just say so. Is Ray better than Ryans? Or are you going to pay two Middle line backers top thirty three money ? Inquiring minds wish to know ? It just makes no damn sense YTF. Your gamble here is this guy will be able to flip his hips and run with the Dallas Clarks of the NFL world. And I'm saying when pigs fly. We'll see next month at the combine. Now if you're going to drop the guy at rush end.....
 
Smith looked solid in the Senior Bowl practices I watched. He looked leaps and bounds better than Oher from what I saw.
 
mexican_texan said:
Smith looked solid in the Senior Bowl practices I watched. He looked leaps and bounds better than Oher from what I saw.
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It's hard to judge the mental aspect of these players in a game like that because the schemes are so limited.

But physically, Smith has it.
 
D-ReK said:
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He has also had steroid allegations, though those can be frivolous and he's never failed a test.

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For the record, I don't buy the steroid allegations, but I present the photographic evidence in order to provide fair and balanced coverage.
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An easy way to see if a guy is using steroids is to look at their necks. They'll be swollen, but not from muscle or fat. I can't get a clear view from this angle.

Here's Roger Clemens in a sort of before and after, but you can get a better example from Sly:

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*Note: i get this information from a research paper I did in one of my English classes. It's possible this theory applies only to anabolic steroids, whereas guys are using a ton of stuff the FDA doesn't know about yet. What I do know for a fact is that JFK, who used steroids for medicinal purposes, had that sort of build up in his face.
 
mexican_texan said:
It appears he wasn't. I gotta go check the DVR to see who I was looking at then. Who has a helmet like Baylor's?
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OT N 64
William Beatty UConn

OT N 68
Xavier Fulton Illinois

OT N 79
Phil Loadholt Oklahoma

OT S 76
Troy Kropog Tulane

OT S 77
Jason Watkins Florida

OT S 74
Michael Oher Mississippi

Interior players.

C N 51
Alex Mack California

C N 60
Max Unger Oregon

C N 72
Ryan Shuman Virginia Tech

C S 59
Antoine Caldwell Alabama

C S 60
Eric Wood Louisville

C S 63
Jonathan Luigs Arkansas

OG N 63
Kraig Urbik Wisconsin

OG N 66
Andy Levitre Oregon State

OG N 76
Trevor Canfield Cincinnati

OG S 71
Tyronne Green Auburn

OG S 75
Anthony Parker Tennessee

OG S 79
Herman Johnson LSU
 
Super Mario said:
He, Orakpo, Laurinaitis, and 1 or 2 others were the big names missing.
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Georgia Tech DE Michael Johnson was also absent I believe ?
There's always a few big names eligible to attend who don't, based on their theory (and their handlers) that they've got more to lose by playing than to gain, for whatever reason(s) ? And I think that makes sense. It's all business for them at this point.
The absense of Laurinaitis really suprised me though ?
 
nunusguy said:
Georgia Tech DE Michael Johnson was also absent I believe ?
There's always a few big names eligible to attend who don't, based on their theory (and their handlers) that they've got more to lose by playing than to gain, for whatever reason(s) ? And I think that makes sense. It's all business for them at this point.
The absense of Laurinaitis really suprised me though ?
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Bad, bad, bad move by M Johnson. Even with a good combine I bet he falls late first at best.
 
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