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Texans Trade for Phillip Buchannon (second thread)

Vinny

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We need a new thread. The other one is getting too big and it is full of off-topic posts.

Now, the 3WR set is one of the dominant sets in the NFL now, especially in the new no-touch era. Looks like we have Dunta as the slot/blitz nickel, Buchannon and Glenn on the outside WR's and Faggins will take the Dime when we go to a 4 WR set-up. No longer will we have to worry about covering Brandon Stokley with a 2nd rate corner.

Try to make an effort to stay on topic this time guys. Thanks!
 
Vinny said:
We need a new thread. The other one is getting too big and it is full of off-topic posts.

Now, the 3WR set is one of the dominant sets in the NFL now, especially in the new no-touch era. Looks like we have Dunta as the slot/blitz nickel, Buchannon and Glenn on the outside WR's and Faggins will take the Dime when we go to a 4 WR set-up. No longer will we have to worry about covering Brandon Stokley with a 2nd rate corner.

My point exactly. He's another piece that teams will have to game plan for. You can never have enough good corners.
 
Okay here is my take on all of this. We basically got a 4th rounder for a 6th round pick and this years 2nd. Now we have 4 very capable CBs and he possibly could provide some future talent should Glenn get hurt(remember Glenn has bad hammies). He provides a KR/PR with the "break away speed" everyone here says JJ Moses doesn't possess. If he sux, he is a nickel or even dime back at best for the next two years and we can always draft a corner later, we can then cut him and his money is not a big cap hit.

As far as the cons to this trade, well we don't get to move up for DJ and we don't get to pick in the second round. Who knows, we could still trade draft spots somehow and for all we know, Texans may not even really be sold on him to make that kind of move. At worst in the first round, we trade down and get the lineman we all think we need or stay put and see what falls in our lap. Anything can happen on draft day.

By the way I like the idea of your last sentence. I feel it really does make this trade worthy of what we gave up for it.

What is your opinion and view of what you believe the Texans are pushing for this season?
 
Dom is one of the best at coaching secondary players. Look what he did for D-Rob in his rookie season. I know he is very tallented, but I still feal that Dom is a big reason for his success. Buhcannon will end up being a great pick up.

All we need now is a pass rusher with good speed to get at the QB.
 
The DBs coach, Hoak (mispelled?) did more for D-Rob then anybody; which is a good sign since he also helped recruit Buchanon caoming out of college.
 
:thumbup It seems PB is a big play corner like Glenn and Dunta . The thing that creates these situations is a pass rush . With the secondary seemingly set and after signing Bradford , they'll take Merriman , Johnson , or Ware . The one thats on the board at 13 will be a Texan . That gives them Babin ,Peek and ? to chase the QB. They're also young and talented .
 
I think this will turn out to be a great move by the Texans. They get a 2nd young corner to shore up that spot for the next few years and add some solid depth. Plus, he's very cap friendly for the next 2 years. He's better than anything we could have gotten in the 2nd round and leaves us with plenty of options in the 1st round. Great job, Mr. Casserly.

The only person I see saying this is a bad move is Raider Fan. I think most of them are jealous because their team is bad and they can't get traded like Buchanon did. I don't know enough about his attitude, but I can't imagine being a Raider brings out the nice guy in someone.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:thumbup It seems PB is a big play corner like Glenn and Dunta . The thing that creates these situations is a pass rush . With the secondary seemingly set and after signing Bradford , they'll take Merriman , Johnson , or Ware . The one thats on the board at 13 will be a Texan . That gives them Babin ,Peek and ? to chase the QB. They're also young and talented .

The Texans had the 5th most INT's in the league last year with the 32nd # of sacks. Now they have added another ballhawk with the wheels to put defensive TD's on the board. If the Texans can improve to even middle of the pack pass rush, QB's should be very afraid next year.
 
Great pick up :thumbup

This dude certainly has good potential and he can also return punts.

But I kinda get the feeling that Casserly might trade back a few spots in the first round to regain back that second round pick though idonno:

Doesn't look like we are gonna draft Thomas Davis either :(
 
This was a good trade for the Texans. No if's, and's or but's.

I live in the LA area. Unfortuantely I get to see all of the Raider games. My co-workers (who are all Raiders fans) are upset about the trade. The Raiders gave up a solid #1 pick from a strong draft class for two unknowns from a much weaker draft class.

This guy is only 24 years old!!!!!!! <---That is a key point. He has only played for 3 seasons. The texans did not mortgage the future for a Old player. They got a guy who has not hit his prime yet and is not in a huge contract.

As for his attitude problem. That will change. He has worn two uniforms. The Miami Hurricanes and the Oakland Raiders. Those teams both encourage show boating, cockiness, and individual play. The raiders pride themselves on their "Bad Boy" image and the fact that they are the most pentalized team in the league. Hey it sells jerseys. With the coaching staff in Houston, and a more "Blue Colar" type environment Phillip Buchanan will come around.

Andre Johnson played with Phillip Buchanan for several years at Miami. I am sure Phillip covered AJ in practice all the time and the Texans got a lot of input from AJ who got to see PB in action every day.

Speed, Youth and Playmaking ability were needed in the Texans Secondary. They just got it. Glenn is still good but history shows he doesn't have much time left.

Some other things to keep in mind regarding the Texans (They make very informed decisions):
"The Texans might have the largest scouting department in the NFL, and it gives them a distinct advantage in their coverage of players in free agency and the draft. They have nine college scouts who cover the country and three pro scouts who handle free agency and veteran organizations."
"This is not a front office that takes a lot of risks or gambles in both free agency and the draft. The Texans let the process come to them, and they rely on their preparation to make smart final decisions."

as with all off seasons moves only time will tell.

Good trade Texans
 
LBC_Justin said:
This was a good trade for the Texans. No if's, and's or but's.

I live in the LA area. Unfortuantely I get to see all of the Raider games. My co-workers (who are all Raiders fans) are upset about the trade. The Raiders gave up a solid #1 pick from a strong draft class for two unknowns from a much weaker draft class.

This guy is only 24 years old!!!!!!! <---That is a key point. He has only played for 3 seasons. The texans did not mortgage the future for a Old player. They got a guy who has not hit his prime yet and is not in a huge contract.

As for his attitude problem. That will change. He has worn two uniforms. The Miami Hurricanes and the Oakland Raiders. Those teams both encourage show boating, cockiness, and individual play. The raiders pride themselves on their "Bad Boy" image and the fact that they are the most pentalized team in the league. Hey it sells jerseys. With the coaching staff in Houston, and a more "Blue Colar" type environment Phillip Buchanan will come around.

Andre Johnson played with Phillip Buchanan for several years at Miami. I am sure Phillip covered AJ in practice all the time and the Texans got a lot of input from AJ who got to see PB in action every day.

Speed, Youth and Playmaking ability were needed in the Texans Secondary. They just got it. Glenn is still good but history shows he doesn't have much time left.

Some other things to keep in mind regarding the Texans (They make very informed decisions):
"The Texans might have the largest scouting department in the NFL, and it gives them a distinct advantage in their coverage of players in free agency and the draft. They have nine college scouts who cover the country and three pro scouts who handle free agency and veteran organizations."
"This is not a front office that takes a lot of risks or gambles in both free agency and the draft. The Texans let the process come to them, and they rely on their preparation to make smart final decisions."

as with all off seasons moves only time will tell.

Good trade Texans

Now that was an awesome post. :thumbup . The more I look at it the harder I am finding negatives about this. Or at least negatives that outweight the bad. Alot of teams wanted this guy. We got him for cheap.
 
In a weak draft this year I think this was a very good trade for us. Buchanon is a proven NFL player who has shown flashes of his potential. With a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year we might've drafted a player who may not be on our roster two or three years from now. I know it's a risk but I think this was a good risk. Buchanon is still only 24 years old and he has a lot of room to grow. With this move we can rule out Antrell Rolle or Pac man Jones wearing a Texans uniform. We will most likely pick a linebacker, running back or wide receiver. We may also move down in the draft.
 
Every minute I keep loving this trade....

I look at it like this, we traded basically a 3rd for PB31....if you think about it, the Texans may have used their #2 pick (#47 overall) on a CB, so we made a damn good trade. Now that the NFL is using alot of 3WR sets, this is huge. It's kinda better to get a player thats proven himself to be a good CB and potentially a Pro Bowl caliber Corner.

Good Job Cass, all we do now is trade for MORE picks. :thumbup
 
all i'm gonna say is that we now have the secondary to match the colts recievers and tight ends...the only question is do we have the front seven to match them...and more importantly do we have the depth at the front seven to match them...they are the the best team in our division and if we are gonna start making playoff pushes we need to be able to rivial them in talent and ability...pb gives us that...now we need more depth at d-line and linebacker...we need a solid number 2 reciever...we need joppru to stay healthy and we need our o-line to really come together this season...we also need to add some serious depth to our o-line...so in order this is how i see our team needs being:
WR
LB
DL
OL
RB
S
 
What exactly did the trade involve? I just saw that the Texans acquired Buchanon, which is fine by me as long as they didn't trade this year's number 1, which they didn't. With that 13, do you think we go OL or DL, both could use some help, but I see more D-linemen available later in the draft but only 1 dominant O-lineman, that being Barron. I think that we should go after Barron at 13, due to the fact that the secondary won't need as much help with Phillip as a 3rd corner. The offense, in my eyes, is only 1 or 2 pieces away from being great, so I say take these pieces this year early, and with your 3rd's, grab one of the hybrids that's left, as there are 3 or 4 that could be good who will still be there. That's all i got for now, later.
 
So it looks like it's pretty much a concensus: Texans fans like the trade, but Titan and Raider fans don't :hmmm: ...I like that...If we can keep his attitude in check, then we may have gotten a steal...
 
I think Hoke can bring out something in him, if anybody can it's Hoke he did recruit him out of high school and look what he's done for Robinson. Buchanan is a good football player with great speed. The only thing against him is he played in a terrible Raider defense that had virtualy no pass rush and could'nt stop the run. Buchanan also brings with him big play capabilities something this teams defense and special teams could use more of.
 
I love the trade myself. I knew nothing about it until I got my Chronic this morning. After almost choking on my Oatmeal, a big smile appeared on my face, and is still there. This now gives us 3 former #1 draft picks at CB, all with well above average speed, quickness, and cover ability. In addition, Dunta may already be the most phyicial corner in the league. Maybe PB can learn a thing or two on tackling technique from him. I would put our top 5 group of CB's against any team in the league. More than anything, this tells me the Texans are interested in competing against the Colts. Depending on the outcome of the draft, this might also put us above the Jags in the central pecking order. We shall see.

Without trying to get too far off topic, I agree with Nawzer. I see a LB, RB, or WR with our #1 this year. I also think it is more likely now we trade down and try to recover one of the picks. Think about someone like Demarcus Ware, and his speed. We will have totally turned around our team speed on defense. Add Ware into a mix with Drob, PB, Glenn, Greenwood, and Peek. WOW! Or imagine getting the speed of a Troy Williamson, or the bruising, run over you style of Ced Benson. I am pumped! Bring on the season!
:whoohoo:
 
I agree Porky. I think that Dunta and Buchanon being close in age and coming up at the same time will push them together and make them want to be better than each other. Ideal situation is they grow up together and make each other better and Glenn mentors them both for the next couple of years as he slides gracefully into being a backup, and then into retirement.

It's all speculation on my part but when I originally read how much Faggins had to say about Glenn being a good teacher and example I just have assumed that Dunta getting so good so fast must have been helped along by Aaron Glenn working with him. I expect the same thing to happen with Buchanon.
 
And the fact that Hoke was the guy who recruited him out of highschool.. and hoke has done wonders for our secondary.

this is gonna be great :).


I also agree with LB, RB, or CB. We could trade down just a few slots and grab Pollack and an extra #2 or #3.. would depend on who fell to us though.
 
Hervoyel said:
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It's all speculation on my part but when I originally read how much Faggins had to say about Glenn being a good teacher and example I just have assumed that Dunta getting so good so fast must have been helped along by Aaron Glenn working with him. I expect the same thing to happen with Buchanon.
This is something I was starting to think about. I remember Glenn being so ready to teach Dunta the ropes and I assume he will do this with Buchannon. Key is Buchannon wanting to learn from him. :hmmm:
 
brandon: Did Houston make a good deal with Oakland?
Rick Gosselin: The Texans obviously wanted a corner to become the heir apparent to 33-year-old Aaron Glenn. They got a good one in Buchanan. But I think the price they paid was a tad steep. I think the second and third rounds are going to be strong in this draft and the Texans gave the Raiders two choices there.
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The above is from a chat session on the Morning News in Dallas - either Gosselin is not too quick on his feet or he is reluctant to give the Texans
credit for an astute trade. After all, if you say a team "got a good one in
Buchanan" (and we know that CB is one of the most important and difficult
positions on the field to staff), and if the only consideration you part with is a
2 & 3 in a weak draft hey, you done good. Common Rick, give up that attah
boy.
 
Great trade. Buchanon will be very good. We are getting close to being a really really good team. Go Texans, can't wait for Saturday.
 
El Tejano said:
This is something I was starting to think about. I remember Glenn being so ready to teach Dunta the ropes and I assume he will do this with Buchannon. Key is Buchannon wanting to learn from him. :hmmm:

To be honest, I question his willingness to learn from Glenn as well...Buchanon has made it clear throughout his career that he wants to be the next "Primetime" and I heard he was receiving coaching from Deion as well...While Glenn has had a great career, he doesn't have the reputation that Deion has/had and I could see PB thinking, "Who is this guy? He's no Deion" and not listening to him...I'm optimistic, though...
 
There was talks that Buchannon didn't like being considered second fiddle to chuck woodson. So it's a **** shoot as to how he acts when he hears that he's still the second best CB on his team.
 
Youngstown Colt said:
There was talks that Buchannon didn't like being considered second fiddle to chuck woodson. So it's a **** shoot as to how he acts when he hears that he's still the second best CB on his team.

It could all be part of that famous Raider "in fighting" . I think Raider fans just turned on him because he did'nt want to be there anymore. I'm confident that we will not see any outburst or off feild shananigans from PB in his time here.
 
We traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick for a first round talent. Jon Hoke will get Phillip Buchanan to play up to his potential and the Texans will look like geniuses for making this move. D-Rob and C-Buch will be the best young CB tandem in the NFL.
 
By Carter Toole
www.HoustonTexans.com

Dom Capers has always said the simplest route to the postseason is winning your division.

The Texans took a large step towards that goal in 2004, sweeping two division opponents (Jacksonville and Tennessee) for the first time. But it wasn’t enough, considering the proverbial bully on the playground still stole their lunch money.

That would be the Indianapolis Colts, who won their second consecutive AFC South title by riding the league’s most prolific passing attack. Colts quarterback Peyton Manning set a single-season NFL record with 49 touchdown passes. He had three receivers with more than 1,000 receiving yards.

“When you’re playing in a division with the best passing offense in the National Football League, you cannot have enough good cover people,” Houston’s head coach said Wednesday. “There’s nothing more frustrating than when you fall short in that area.”

So it stands to reason that if the Texans are going to have any chance of knocking the Colts from their perch, they need to load up on defensive backs. Good defensive backs. And on Wednesday, the Texans knocked the Astros, Rockets, U.S. Clay Court Championships and Shell Houston Open below the fold with a potential blockbuster acquisition.

Houston traded two draft picks – their second-round pick (47th overall) and their first of two third-round selections (74th overall) – to the Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon. The trade isn’t yet official, pending the usual logistics that surround such transactions.

“It will probably be another 24 hours before this thing would be officially announced and completed,” general manager Charley Casserly said this afternoon before his annual pre-draft press conference. “What needs to be done is the physical and then the paperwork cleared by the league. Once we get that done, there will be an official announcement, but we don’t anticipate any issues.”

Buchanon, the 17th overall selection of the 2002 draft, is one of the most athletic young defensive backs in the league. He owns 11 career interceptions, returning four for touchdowns. He has also returned three punts for scores.

“As you look at the trade, this is nothing more than an attempt to upgrade our football team,” Capers said. “We scouted Phillip in our first year back in 2002 and we really liked him. We think he has the speed, the quickness and the athletic ability and he’s also doubled as a punt return man and done very well at that.”

Buchanon made an instant impact as a rookie, collecting 21 tackles and two picks, returning the second 81 yards for a touchdown at Buffalo to earn AFC Defensive Player of the Week honors. In one game against Tennessee, he returned a punt 83 yards for a touchdown and lateraled another punt to running back Terry Kirby for a 79-yard score. But Buchanon injured his wrist in Week 6 and landed on injured reserve.

In 2003, Buchanon started 11 of 16 games at right cornerback, tying for second in the AFC with six interceptions. He returned two of those for scores, totaling 176 yards on the six picks. Buchanon also returned two punts for touchdowns, averaging 13.6 yards per return.

Last season Buchanon started the first 14 games of the season and still paced the Raiders with three picks. But it was at times a bumpy ride. New head coach Norv Turner yanked Buchanon from the secondary in a game at Carolina on Nov. 7 and later replaced him on punt returns with Doug Gabriel. In the days leading up to the draft, the Raiders decided to gauge interest in Buchanon in the trade market.

“We became aware a short time ago that he was available in a trade,” Casserly said. “This week we talked to the Raiders and discussed what they were looking for and we had another discussion about it yesterday. Last night at the baseball game – we took our scouts to the game -- we completed the trade. It happened pretty fast over the past couple of days.”

With his playmaking ability, Buchanon has the opportunity to make a strong Texans secondary even stronger. Second-year pro Dunta Robinson tied for the lead among NFL rookies last season with six picks. Veteran Aaron Glenn intercepted five passes last season and has picked off 11 since coming to Houston in 2002. Whether Buchanon plays nickel at the outset or starts remains to be seen. But at just 24 years of age, if he doesn’t start right away, he can be groomed to replace Glenn, who turns 33 a few weeks before training camp.

“You’re always going to try and generate as competitive a situation as you can,” Capers said. “If you can do that, it brings out the best in everybody. It gives us a good mix and cover people and it certainly gives us another young corner.

“I met with Aaron this morning and his reaction was positive. Aaron is a competitor and Aaron has a lot of confidence in his ability. I think like everything, Aaron looks forward to the challenge.”

Buchanon can also boast an 11-yard career average on punt returns, although his average dipped from 13.6 in 2003 to 5.8 in 2004. He has three punt return touchdowns to his credit, the last coming in the 2003 season finale. The Texans signed veteran returner Reggie Swinton earlier this week to compete with incumbent J.J. Moses. Where Buchanon fits in on that front also remains to be seen.

“He certainly can get in the mix as a punt returner,” Capers said. “Whether he would end up being our punt returner, we’ll just have to see how this all works out.”

It’s no surprise that Buchanon has proved to be a versatile pro, considering his background as a four-sport standout at Lehigh High School in Fort Myers, Fla. Besides all-state honors in football, he hit .463 at the plate, scored 20 points per game on the hardwood and ran a 10.5 100m. Buchanon eventually signed at Miami, where lined up opposite new teammate Andre Johnson in practice and helped the ‘Canes win the 2001 national title. He applied for the draft as a junior after that season.

Cornerback was one of the positions the Texans were looking at come draft day. But at the 13th selection, the draft’s top two corners – Miami’s Antrel Rolle and West Virginia’s Adam Jones – would have likely been off the board. Now the Texans have the luxury of a young corner with experience and, in reality, it cost them just one pick, considering they had acquired an additional third-rounder from Dallas in last year’s Drew Henson trade.

“Are you going to acquire a player as talented as Phillip Buchanon in the second round of the draft?” Casserly asked. “The answer is no.”

And now Casserly will have to slightly amend his plans for Saturday. But he doesn’t mind.

“I guess I have to add something to what I said before today,” Casserly said. “We’re going to take any position in the first round except quarterback…and now cornerback.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1633
 
D-ReK said:
To be honest, I question his willingness to learn from Glenn as well...Buchanon has made it clear throughout his career that he wants to be the next "Primetime" and I heard he was receiving coaching from Deion as well...While Glenn has had a great career, he doesn't have the reputation that Deion has/had and I could see PB thinking, "Who is this guy? He's no Deion" and not listening to him...I'm optimistic, though...

Deion might have been the best CB ever. I don't blame Buchanon for wanting to be him. But he needs to Forget being the best in the league, he is going to have his hands full trying to top a hungry young Dunta Robinson if he wants to be the top dog on the Texans. Hopefully they will push each other to be better, with Glenn(if he is still around) mentoring along the way.
 
Thanks to my Raiderfans at their board, they've agreed that this is the most honest description of Phillip Buchanan:

Posted by De-Cleater:
1st....he calls himself "showtime" that should tell you something
2nd ...he asked for a trade publicly...that should tell you something
3rd....he is 5'9" and has trouble covering the slant, he also bites on pump fakes (Always trying to make the big play and gets burned)
4th. Guy had an amazing year returning punts for us....a real shaker...but LY he let 5-6 balls bounce in front of him or missed the catch.
5th....he has upside if someone can get his head screwed on straight.....he is a "quick" player and I have seen no lack of tackling on his part..he is small but sticks his head in there.

basicly this....very quick...has good hands has all the physical things you want except height....mentaly he is a mess...Bites on pump fakes....cant stick a reciver due to his size on slants....will gamble and give up 30 yds instead of play it safe and tackle him for a 7 yd gain.........has returned numerous picks for td's.......bottomline is he GAMBLES WAY to much.....if someone can get in his head he is a talent but remember what I said...he calls himself "Showtime"....his head is screwed up. In an interview with a TV reporter he refered to himself in the 3rd person his quote "Well Showtime just needs to get ready for this weeks game"....he has issues but is talented....he wore thin here
 
LBC_Justin said:
Deion might have been the best CB ever. I don't blame Buchanon for wanting to be him. But he needs to Forget being the best in the league, he is going to have his hands full trying to top a hungry young Dunta Robinson if he wants to be the top dog on the Texans. Hopefully they will push each other to be better, with Glenn(if he is still around) mentoring along the way.

D-Rob and Buchanon are both cocky guys and I could see them developing some sort of friendly rivalry in the future...It should be fun to watch...

Panther5407 said:
Alright, can someone get this strait for me. Who are gonna be the #1 corner, #2 corner, slot and so forth? Thanks.

I think the LCB spot is still Glenn's, but the staff may trust Dunta enough to have him there...The other will be the RCB...Buchanon will be third on the depth chart, but play on the outside on nickle situations, with Dunta playing inside...Our fourth CB will be Petey Faggins...
 
TEXANS84 said:
Thanks to my Raiderfans at their board, they've agreed that this is the most honest description of Phillip Buchanan:

Posted by De-Cleater:

I may be naive, but I think most of his "mental" problems can be ironed out by Hoke and Capers...When he's in, we should have the FS behind him though in case he gambles and loses...
 
D-ReK said:
I think the LCB spot is still Glenn's, but the staff may trust Dunta enough to have him there...The other will be the RCB...Buchanon will be third on the depth chart, but play on the outside on nickle situations, with Dunta playing inside...Our fourth CB will be Petey Faggins...

I think that's exactly were they will play. no suprises here that's really the only way to play it.
 
Both D-Rob and Buc are 5'10'' 185. Both are extremely fast, quick, and have "fluid hips" making them exellent in the open field. Not to mention they both have cocky attitudes as said above...Deja Vu!
 
I know plenty of raiders fans, and these desecriptions you're getting of PB, were there long before he asked for a trade.

Don't chalk this up to "a colts fan is lying because he's scared" many raiders fans got over this guys novelty after the first year, and many of them gave him the nickname "toast" for the way he gambles on everything.

Unless, you can fix his mental problems and actually get him to buy into something and get over his "da U" mentality (I know andre doesn't have it) then you will have a scary corner.
 
Youngstown Colt said:
I know plenty of raiders fans, and these desecriptions you're getting of PB, were there long before he asked for a trade.

Don't chalk this up to "a colts fan is lying because he's scared" many raiders fans got over this guys novelty after the first year, and many of them gave him the nickname "toast" for the way he gambles on everything.

Unless, you can fix his mental problems and actually get him to buy into something and get over his "da U" mentality (I know andre doesn't have it) then you will have a scary corner.
[sarcasm] So they nicknames him "Toast"?, how awsome it doesnt even have anything to do with his name! unlike the infamous nickname, "P-Burnt". How original, how great, how clever these Raider fans are! [/sarcasm]
 
He just finished his third season right? Well, it's not like I've never watched a young DB get toasted before and I can tell you honestly I wanted Chris Dishman's head on a platter for some of the things he did in his first couple of seasons.

If a bunch of Raider fans are ready to give up on this guy after three years then great, bring him on. Typical instant gratification demanding fans. We're going to get him at just the right time and two years from now the Raider Nation is going to be bitching about how the gave away this guy.
 
The bottom line is Texans fans will continue to believe they have gotten the better end of the deal, while Raiders fans think that they have. People are naturally biased. Until Buc has a horrible year, and the picks the Raiders recieved went to good use and for effective players, or Buc does verry well next year and the picks the Raiders recieved were use completely uselessly, we cannot make an accurate decision regarding who "stole" what.
 
TigerBait said:
The bottom line is Texans fans will continue to believe they have gotten the better end of the deal, while Raiders fans think that they have. People are naturally biased. Until Buc has a horrible year, and the picks the Raiders recieved went to good use and for effective players, or Buc does verry well next year and the picks the Raiders recieved were use completely uselessly, we cannot make an accurate decision regarding who "stole" what.


100% correct.
 
Look, the reason the Raiders traded Phillip Buchanon was because he simply did not play well for them. Forget about the mental issue but if Buchanon played well last year they wouldn't have traded for him. I like this trade based on Buchanon's potential and because in a weak draft class this year we can afford to trade a 2nd and a 3rd. I mentioned earlier on this thread that there is no guarantee that these 2nd and 3rd rounders will become viable starters for us. So in those terms I like this trade. But at the same time I realize that the Texans better be sure about Buchanon because he was not good last year. But I trust in Charley Casserly and our scouting department and hopefully they will turn Buchanon's career around.
 
the more I ponder this trade the more I like it. Now we need Barron at 13.

DR, Faggins, Buhcannon, and Glen, I like it. 3 young guys and a classy vet to teach them, its hard to go wrong.
 
Gilly said:
the more I ponder this trade the more I like it. Now we need Barron at 13.

DR, Faggins, Buhcannon, and Glen, I like it. 3 young guys and a classy vet to teach them, its hard to go wrong.
u know what, i really dont mind picking Barron anymore, now that we have PB , however i wish we could just trade down.
 
Unless a guy like Benson, Ware, or Merriman falls to us at 13, I like the idea of trading down and gaining the 2nd round pick we lost. We could then use our later 1st rounder to get a WR like Clayton or White or an OL like Baas.
 
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