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Who would you make defensive coordinator?

TEXANRED

TEXANRED

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Who would you want as our new defensive coordinator?

Maybe Jim Johnson has another gem tucked away ready to blossom.
 
Mike Nolan is currently unemployed, I'd be interested to know if he could excel in a 4-3. I think he does both 4-3 and 3-4 but someone else will have to explain that in further detail.

Jim Bates is out there and he had quite a bit of success before his failure in Denver recently.

Frank Bush would be the likely candidate if we promote from within but I would personally be very disappointed just because I would like to see the entire defensive coaching staff be reshuffled.

Thats all I can think of immediately.
 
TEXANRED said:
Who would you want as our new defensive coordinator?

Maybe Jim Johnson has another gem tucked away ready to blossom.
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yes.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Audibles/2008/audibles2319.htm

“(Eagles defensive coordinator) Jim Johnson has developed a lot of good lieutenants. Teams looking for a defensive coordinator are going to have to take a close look at his position coaches. Sean McDermott has been the secondary coach and linebackers coach. He comes from the same line as (Ravens head coach John) Harbaugh, (and defensive coordinators) Leslie Frazier, Ron Rivera and Steve Spagnuolo. He’s been in the system for 10-some years and has worked his way up the ranks. He played at William & Mary with (Steelers head coach) Mike Tomlin. He’s not going to fly under the radar much longer. Rivera just got promoted (to defensive coordinator in San Diego). Spags and Frazier are in line for top jobs. The Jim Johnson pipeline is hot.”
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Heck I almost will settle for a fictional character
:joker:
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Coach Yoast:All right, now, I don't want them to gain *another yard!* * You blitz...all...night!* If they cross the line of scrimmage, I'm gonna take every last one of you out! You make sure they remember, *forever*, the night they played the TEXANS!
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http://www.ghostplace.com/archive/index.php/t-36076.html

One day (I can dream right?)
I really don't know, It is easy to pick this name or that name, but...
 
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Jackie Chiles said:
Mike Nolan is currently unemployed, I'd be interested to know if he could excel in a 4-3. I think he does both 4-3 and 3-4 but someone else will have to explain that in further detail.

Jim Bates is out there and he had quite a bit of success before his failure in Denver recently.

Frank Bush would be the likely candidate if we promote from within but I would personally be very disappointed just because I would like to see the entire defensive coaching staff be reshuffled.

Thats all I can think of immediately.
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I would be interested in Mike Nolan as well. Jim Bates was mentioned as a potential DC here when Kubiak got hired, but Bates wanted to be able to hire his own assistants instead of Kubiak doing it.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
Mike Nolan is currently unemployed, I'd be interested to know if he could excel in a 4-3. I think he does both 4-3 and 3-4 but someone else will have to explain that in further detail.

Jim Bates is out there and he had quite a bit of success before his failure in Denver recently.

Frank Bush would be the likely candidate if we promote from within but I would personally be very disappointed just because I would like to see the entire defensive coaching staff be reshuffled.

Thats all I can think of immediately.
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I did a write up on this either at FanHouse or Chron.com in a response on one of Texans_Chicks greta blogs. Nolan is one of the rare coaches who has extensive work with 3-4 and 4-3 .. Giants 4-3 and Ravens 3-4 .... Fisrt year with Giants they were using a 3-4 which was LT's last year, then switched to a 4-3 Strahan's second year. With the Ravens his first year they were using a 4-3 and the switched to a 3-4.

He would be one of the guys I would love to look at or someone like Sean McDermott young and has experience at multiple coaching positions under a proven DC.
 
Anybody - PLEASE.

What's Buddy Ryan up to?

I don't care who. I'm not a change for change's sake but WE NEED CHANGE.

Think Obama could fill in till the end of our season?
 
PapaL said:
Anybody - PLEASE.

What's Buddy Ryan up to?

I don't care who. I'm not a change for change's sake but WE NEED CHANGE.

Think Obama could fill in till the end of our season?
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He'd try to talk the opposing offense off the field .... I'll take Buddy Ryan tho .... Bounties and all. Hell , a bounty might be just what they need to get Pey-Me-A-Ton off the field on third down .... :pirate:
 
It's just sad that all of the names in this thread sound better than what we have. Or is it sad that we still have what we have? I don't know, I'm just tired of being sad...
 
Ron Rivera if he is available... i would love to see recreation of Chicago defense that got them to superbowl.

Mike Nolan or guy from the longhorns or that Red skins d-coordinator that was passed up for head coach position..whats his naem I am blanking right now. I think he is locked up for a long time though.

Anyone is better that Smith...
 
I don't really know anything about the Giants coaches over there but really like what their defense has been doing. They use a 4-3, and it seems we're trying to build our team similar to theirs (disruptive DL). Anybody know about their DL or LB coach that may be worth a promotion? Just throwin' stuff out there.
 
The question we have to ask ourselves is how much power the d-coordinator really has.

Do we have talented players?
Are those talented players being coached well by the position coaches?

If either of those answers are "no" then we won't see any improvement with a new D-coordinator

I'm hoping thats not the case, however, and that by making a change, we'll start to see our Ds true potential come out. Whoever we hire, I want them to be very aggressive. Aggressive Ds are fun to watch and intimidate other teams.
 
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They've got a pretty good one on the staff already with Ray Rhodes.
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markbeth said:
im not sure why no one ever mentions him. i might give him a chance before Bush.
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I believe he's one of our issues. He has a bend but don't break approach to defense, and imo is probably the reason Richard Smith hasn't been fired yet.

I believe he's advising Kubiak that Smith's approach (in other words his own approach) is the way to go with the players we currently have.
 
The problem with the defense isn't the DC, it's the personnel.
Who selected the Dline personnel - Kubiak & Smith, so there's your culprits,
so quit being in denial and blaming Richard Smith if you're serious about fixing the problem with the defense.
 
gtexan02 said:
The question we have to ask ourselves is how much power the d-coordinator really has.

Do we have talented players?
Are those talented players being coached well by the position coaches?

If either of those answers are "no" then we won't see any improvement with a new D-coordinator

I'm hoping thats not the case, however, and that by making a change, we'll start to see our Ds true potential come out. Whoever we hire, I want them to be very aggressive. Aggressive Ds are fun to watch and intimidate other teams.
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Good points. I too want a really aggressive defense. I think we have a lot of talent on the defense, it's just we're so young. Mario, Amobi, Demeco, Diles, Adibi, Bennett, Molden, etc. It seems we've got some good positional coaches like Rhodes and Bush, b/c it's so important to have the right people in place to teach these young guys. I'd like to see us go heavy on defense in the draft this year so I think the time to get a DC is soon, before the draft. Make sure he has some input on what kind of players will fit what he wants to do.

I think a large part of it is that we have a young team that lacks some experience. But I'd like a much more aggressive D and let these guys develop and we'll have a monster defense.
 
Would Schwartz be a possibility as Head Coach? Not sure if McNair would drop Kubiak at this point...

I would hate to lose Schwartz to a division rival but he would definately make the defense better, even from the head coach position.
 
Mr. White said:
They've got a pretty good one on the staff already with Ray Rhodes.
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Health Reasons. He's been DC before and then had a heart attack.

I don't want Phillips because he's a 3-4 guy. I can see a position coach wanting to come here more than a defensive coordinator. I think Johnson is going to try for a HC gig if Reid gets fired.
 
I've listed out some names but if we keep regressing we might be looking for a new HC.

Guys i'd LOVE to see come over.

Marvin Lewis- He'll be available after this year and while his tenure at HC hasn't been so good in Cinci his defensive work prior is pretty sterling.

Ron Rivera - Currently in SD and helped make the Bears defense dominant. I don't know if it has been injuries since he left but they have slowly faded. Makes me wonder.

Jerry Gray - Currently in Washington. Guy's defense's were always solid and seemed to work well with little.

Mike Nolan - Great resume and has HC experience.

I wouldn't be opposed to looking at a young guy like McDermont but at this point this team NEEDS a guy with a track record. We've got some interesting pieces to work with on defense and I think the entire defensive staff outside Rhodes and Hoke(whom needs to be fired immediately) needs a long evaluation.
 
We need the meanest guy available. thats not gonna take players taken plays off. I watch Mario and he would be twice as good as he is if he wouldn't take plays off. And he is on his way to being a pro-bowler now!
 
nunusguy said:
The problem with the defense isn't the DC, it's the personnel.
Who selected the Dline personnel - Kubiak & Smith, so there's your culprits,
so quit being in denial and blaming Richard Smith if you're serious about fixing the problem with the defense.
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Actually, of the four starters (which for this purpose includes Okoye), neither Kubiak or Smith had anything to do with T.J., and only Kubiak was here when Weaver was signed. That leaves Mario -who if anything flies in the face of your post, and Okoye - who is a legitimate cause for concern, but a little early to call a bust at this point.

I definitely think Smith should go, and I'm getting more and more apathetic about Kubiak's fate, but we're also at that point where the bad things look horrible, and the good things are completely ignored based on emotion.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Actually, of the four starters (which for this purpose includes Okoye), neither Kubiak or Smith had anything to do with T.J., and only Kubiak was here when Weaver was signed. That leaves Mario -who if anything flies in the face of your post, and Okoye - who is a legitimate cause for concern, but a little early to call a bust at this point.

I definitely think Smith should go, and I'm getting more and more apathetic about Kubiak's fate, but we're also at that point where the bad things look horrible, and the good things are completely ignored based on emotion.
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What can we call him then..guy who doesnt make tackles? The anti-Carr because he wouldnt know a sack if it was right infront of him. This guy needs a fire lit under his behind.
He has the raw talent but no motor.

Anyways, The Texans need a DC who hates offense, there needs to be animosity between offense and defense. the O-needs to be held accountable and the D needs to be the one to do it. (and vice versa) AKA Ray Lewis getting on the O in baltimore or the great bears defenses who routinly yelled at the O for not scoring or maintaining drives. I am not talking about divided locker room or anything I am talking about each part of the team depending on the other for support and accountability.
That is lacking.
 
I keep seeing that the 3-4 guys are a concern for coaching a 4-3 and about fears relating to the personnel turnover that will take place if we bring in a coach whose known for a great 3-4 to run our unit but I don't think that is as big a problem as it appears.

Looking at our defense we've got Mario Williams and we've got DeMeco Ryans and they're going to get on the field in either defense. We've got Dunta Robinson and he's going to get on the field in either defense. Great coaches find a way to use great players and I think we can all agree that these three guys are our only truly great players at the moment.

We're pretty much not impressing anyone with the rest of the pieces right now but lets look at those pieces. Our other starters are

Anthony Weaver
Amobi Okoye
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams

Zach Diles
DeMeco Ryans
Morlon Greenwood

Jaques Reeves
Dunta Robinson

And at Safety we've got "just a bunch of guys who generally seem to suck".

I know, that's not fair to Ferguson and Wilson but hey, the safety spots have been a sore point for this team throughout its existence. Every year we see and hear that we need a safety. Under a 3-4 DC we still probably need a safety so how are we worse off than right now?

Look at that list for a moment and ask yourself how many of those players need to be replaced regardless of whether we stay with a 4-3 or change to a 3-4? Look at our starters (and our depth if you like) and just consider how many of those guys seem to be placeholder type players. Keep that number in your head and then proceed to this next step.

Now look at the starters and ask yourself which of these guys could play in a 3-4 at an even moderately decent level. There are quite a few people there who could be used in a 3-4

I think you could run the entire secondary out there as-is and get better results with a good 3-4 coach than you do with our lousy 4-3 coaching whatever in the hell it is that he's doing.

On the linebackers I think you're going to have to go get one or two but you could play Diles and Ryans in a 3-4. You were going to need another linebacker anyway since Morlon Greenwood is about at the end of his magic ride on the Casserly money-go-round. So you need a couple of linebackers now. It's not like you can't find one in the draft and throw another guy in the remaining spot as a placeholder for a year.

On the line you have TJ's fat worthless sack-of-crap ass taking up space and he was originally drafted to play NT in a 3-4. You go draft an old cheeseburger eater to hold the point of attack (those guys seem to shake loose around the league every single year) because you can't count on TJ and you try every guy we have on our roster at DE until you find one who can play even if it's for a year or so only.

I think the big switch to 3-4 personnel isn't the horror story we're making it out to be. I'm all for bringing in a good DC regardless of what he prefers to run. He'll get more out of the players we have than Smith and find the kinds of guys he needs in the same year or three that we've seen Kubiak remake the offense. Arguably he's got a lot more to work with than Kubiak had in rebuilding the offense so it should go quicker than it took Gary to rework that side of the ball.

The most important thing here is that we need to find a good DC and leave the bad one on the curb. It's time.

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Edit: And I'd wait until the end of the season to go hunting a DC and see who gets fired. Lewis is great, Phillips might want to come back to Houston for some reason. There will be moves that can be made at the end of the year. Right now I am going on record as saying "Let the poor S.O.B. (Smith) "coach" out the string. Unless the Texans just know, beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have their next DC on staff they should wait to go hunting a new one until after the year is over.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I don't really know anything about the Giants coaches over there but really like what their defense has been doing. They use a 4-3, and it seems we're trying to build our team similar to theirs (disruptive DL). Anybody know about their DL or LB coach that may be worth a promotion? Just throwin' stuff out there.
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This thought actually crossed my mind a couple of weeks ago.
 
Ray Rhodes is padding his pension and has no interest in moving up.

Buddy! Buddy! Buddy! Whoever has a "Hey Buddy Ryan...We Miss You" sign in the bull pen gets a free beer from Roc.

I would like to see ol Wade come in and pad his pension some too.

Marvin Lewis would be fun. F/A's would follow him too.

Nolan may like the change of going to the AFC and playing some smash mouth.

If Mike Singletary is not retained for some reason we need to be on that too.
 
Anyone from the NY Giants or Titans.

A sample coaching lineup

HC - Steve Spangulo - (Currently DC Giants)
Assistant HC/DL - Jim Washburn (Currently DL Titans)
Assistant HC/OL - Mike Munchak (Currently OL Titans)
OC - Jared Ingram - (Currently RB coach Giants)
DC - Mike Wuafle - (Currently DL coach Giants)

I really like the Defense that the Titans and Giants put out every week---especially the Giants. Its what we want to do, but can't succeed at doing
 
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