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Scouting Report on Schaub: Cheapshot him to DEATH

DexmanC

Hall of Fame
1. Albert Haynesworth cheaped him over and over and over until he was
injured.

2. Drayton Florence of the Chargers smashed him in the jaw with his HELMET.
Concussion

3. Another Chargers corner karate chopped Matt's shoulder, putting him down
for the remainder of the last season.

4. And yesterday, Jared Allen Goldberg'd Schaub's knee well after the ball was
gone, while his buddy was schoving Matt in the chest. They, in effect,
chop blocked Matt and tore his MCL.

I'm sick of these posters calling Schaub "injury prone." EVERY time he's gone
down, it's due to BLATANT attempts to injure. So, I guess that's what his
scouting report says.
 

cuppacoffee

Resident Grouch
1. Albert Haynesworth cheaped him over and over and over until he was
injured.

2. Drayton Florence of the Chargers smashed him in the jaw with his HELMET.
Concussion

3. Another Chargers corner karate chopped Matt's shoulder, putting him down
for the remainder of the last season.

4. And yesterday, Jared Allen Goldberg'd Schaub's knee well after the ball was
gone, while his buddy was schoving Matt in the chest. They, in effect,
chop blocked Matt and tore his MCL.

I'm sick of these posters calling Schaub "injury prone." EVERY time he's gone
down, it's due to BLATANT attempts to injure. So, I guess that's what his
scouting report says.


And why wouldn't they?

Refs' will look the other way, (it's just the Texans after all ), and our downy soft O and D linemen will NOT retaliate.

Everyone likes a win win situation.

:coffee:
 

junior

Waterboy
1. Albert Haynesworth cheaped him over and over and over until he was
injured.

2. Drayton Florence of the Chargers smashed him in the jaw with his HELMET.
Concussion

3. Another Chargers corner karate chopped Matt's shoulder, putting him down
for the remainder of the last season.

4. And yesterday, Jared Allen Goldberg'd Schaub's knee well after the ball was
gone, while his buddy was schoving Matt in the chest. They, in effect,
chop blocked Matt and tore his MCL.

I'm sick of these posters calling Schaub "injury prone." EVERY time he's gone
down, it's due to BLATANT attempts to injure. So, I guess that's what his
scouting report says.

Exactly, everyone in the league is so scared of him that this is they only way they can beat us. Every QB in the league takes these hits, just look at Big Ben in Pittsburgh, he has been hurt the diffrence is he stays on the field more than Schaub.

We can't put a red jersey on him, so he has to find a way to absorb the hits better (I know he can't do anything about the tear) or find another profession.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Well, until one of them nuts up and decides to take some pride in keeping their QB from getting hurt. I swear sometimes it's like we just shut down the moment the play ends. It feels like we've got some of the biggest cream-puff mentality guys in the entire NFL.

I genuinely want to see this happen the next time Schaub takes a cheap shot. I want to see somebody (on the defense) carted off on the next series and maybe not return that day. I know it probably goes against their grain to do that crap but I watched Allen hit Schaubs knee with just total outrage on my face. I couldn't believe that piece of crap would climb back up to his knees and dive at the QB's leg knowing full well the ball was gone. I pretty much decided that Jared Allen was a turd right there. If our guys never retaliate then it just means our QB's have a big ol' bulls eye on them and it ain't part of the logo.

We need to play a lot meaner. We need someone who is willing to get a little dirty at times. We've all heard about this blocking system and how other teams hate it because they get hurt playing against it. When is that going to happen? I think I'm ready to see some of that.
 

Honoring Earl 34

Something Witty !
And why wouldn't they?

Refs' will look the other way, (it's just the Texans after all ), and our downy soft O and D linemen will NOT retaliate.

Everyone likes a win win situation.

:coffee:
Last year when Florence popped him in the chin , a guy called Kubiak's show and asked why we didn't get hem back and doesn't that make us soft . Kubiak replied ... they didn't teach that kind of football . Think of what would happen if Brady , Manning , Big Ben or any other team who's QB took those types of shots .

In the old (1970 )Raiders and Chiefs games Ben Davidson would squish Len Dawson . Buck Buchanon would kill Daryl lomonica and then George Blanda would come in and win the game .
 

GNTLEWOLF

Rookie
Exactly, everyone in the league is so scared of him that this is they only way they can beat us. Every QB in the league takes these hits, just look at Big Ben in Pittsburgh, he has been hurt the diffrence is he stays on the field more than Schaub.
We can't put a red jersey on him, so he has to find a way to absorb the hits better (I know he can't do anything about the tear) or find another profession.
You are absolutely right!. I get so tired of this constant whining like no other QB in the league gets hit like this. Defensive players are after every QB in exactly the same way. Manning, Favre, Brady, They all have learned how to sidestep, get rid of the ball quickly, or take the hit and keep on playing. The game is football, not tea and crumpets. It is not just our sweet little Schaubby that gets picked on all the time by those big mean bad bullies on defense...whine, whine, whine, excuse, excuse, excuse. Geez... man up!
 

Honoring Earl 34

Something Witty !
Well, until one of them nuts up and decides to take some pride in keeping their QB from getting hurt. I swear sometimes it's like we just shut down the moment the play ends. It feels like we've got some of the biggest cream-puff mentality guys in the entire NFL.

I genuinely want to see this happen the next time Schaub takes a cheap shot. I want to see somebody (on the defense) carted off on the next series and maybe not return that day. I know it probably goes against their grain to do that crap but I watched Allen hit Schaubs knee with just total outrage on my face. I couldn't believe that piece of crap would climb back up to his knees and dive at the QB's leg knowing full well the ball was gone. I pretty much decided that Jared Allen was a turd right there. If our guys never retaliate then it just means our QB's have a big ol' bulls eye on them and it ain't part of the logo.

We need to play a lot meaner. We need someone who is willing to get a little dirty at times. We've all heard about this blocking system and how other teams hate it because they get hurt playing against it. When is that going to happen? I think I'm ready to see some of that.

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Silver Oak

All Pro
Thanks for posting this Dexman as I'm glad to know I'm not the only angry one out here!

I said it last year after the Florence hit. We should have come back the next time on defense and leveled someone on their team...Ferotte, AD, or Allen with our offense out there.

I toe the team line on everything that McNair, Smith, and Kubiak give us, but it's a tough game and if a team doesn't show backbone to protect their own, there isn't much hope of playoff caliber football IMO.
 

texasguy346

Mod Squad
Thanks for posting this Dexman as I'm glad to know I'm not the only angry one out here!

I said it last year after the Florence hit. We should have come back the next time on defense and leveled someone on their team...Ferotte, AD, or Allen with our offense out there.

I toe the team line on everything that McNair, Smith, and Kubiak give us, but it's a tough game and if a team doesn't show backbone to protect their own, there isn't much hope of playoff caliber football IMO.
I'm with you on that one. Allen should've found himself on the receiving end of a few crack back blocks after that cheapshot. This is why we need a mean SOB or two on our OL, and it seems like we're missing that element.
 

TexansFanatic

Extremist
Well, until one of them nuts up and decides to take some pride in keeping their QB from getting hurt. I swear sometimes it's like we just shut down the moment the play ends. It feels like we've got some of the biggest cream-puff mentality guys in the entire NFL.

I genuinely want to see this happen the next time Schaub takes a cheap shot. I want to see somebody (on the defense) carted off on the next series and maybe not return that day. I know it probably goes against their grain to do that crap but I watched Allen hit Schaubs knee with just total outrage on my face. I couldn't believe that piece of crap would climb back up to his knees and dive at the QB's leg knowing full well the ball was gone. I pretty much decided that Jared Allen was a turd right there. If our guys never retaliate then it just means our QB's have a big ol' bulls eye on them and it ain't part of the logo.

We need to play a lot meaner. We need someone who is willing to get a little dirty at times. We've all heard about this blocking system and how other teams hate it because they get hurt playing against it. When is that going to happen? I think I'm ready to see some of that.
Excellent post.

I respect Bob McNair and I completely understand why he is trying to put together a class organization without the likes of a Terrell Owens or a PacMan Jones. I have no quarrel with that.

But when you go out of your way to get "good guys" on your team, you run the risk of getting guys who are so clean cut that they lack a mean streak. Football is all about the mean streak. Show me a championship team and I'll show you a team with some headhunters on both sides of the ball. I don't see many guys like that on this team or in this organization. That needs to change.
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
Here is the cheap shot Jared Allen video. Watch it while you can before the NFL pulls the video. Please please please leave comments to make it a bigger, more searchable story. If this had happened to a QB from a more high profile franchise, the real media would be all over it.

FanHouse: Did Jared Allen Cheap Shot Matt Schaub

The slo mo part is scary. It shows how badly the line got destroyed. It was amazing that Schaub got the ball off and had a completion. And it also shows how cheap that hit was.

Please leave a comment. Don't have to leave a real email and even if you did, they don't do anything with them. Just like the offensive line needs to make a fuss, so do Texan fans.

BTW, shortly after that play, Jared Allen got his shoulder hurt some after he was driven to the ground by one of the Olinemen.
 
Sometimes the Texans remind me of the Astros where we'd be getting beaned and our pitchers wouldn't do anything about it. I guess I'm just used to watching my team get cheap-shotted without any consequence. The city of Houston hasn't had someone with any balls on any sports team for a long long time.

FWIW, I thought Allen was playing very dirty and from listening to Kubes this afternoon he turned in 3 plays to the NFL for possible infractions. Doubt anything will come of it but whatever.
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
Sometimes the Texans remind me of the Astros where we'd be getting beaned and our pitchers wouldn't do anything about it. I guess I'm just used to watching my team get cheap-shotted without any consequence. The city of Houston hasn't had someone with any balls on any sports team for a long long time.

FWIW, I thought Allen was playing very dirty and from listening to Kubes this afternoon he turned in 3 plays to the NFL for possible infractions. Doubt anything will come of it but whatever.
Good. Let's make a fuss about this. Please, I ask you to leave comments on my blog post on this subject to make it more searchable. We need some righteous indignation so that the NFL cares about this some.

I know that some of my FH posts get league attention because I've been contacted about some of my opinion pieces by league spokesmen types. Be heard.
 

Bob McNair

Waterboy
Here is the cheap shot Jared Allen video. Watch it while you can before the NFL pulls the video. Please please please leave comments to make it a bigger, more searchable story. If this had happened to a QB from a more high profile franchise, the real media would be all over it.

FanHouse: Did Jared Allen Cheap Shot Matt Schaub

The slo mo part is scary. It shows how badly the line got destroyed. It was amazing that Schaub got the ball off and had a completion. And it also shows how cheap that hit was.

Please leave a comment. Don't have to leave a real email and even if you did, they don't do anything with them. Just like the offensive line needs to make a fuss, so do Texan fans.

BTW, shortly after that play, Jared Allen got his shoulder hurt some after he was driven to the ground by one of the Olinemen.
Getting a little shoulder tweaky - that is not getting even. Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson both having to hire a CSI crew to find the part of their leg that used to be below their knee - that would be getting even.

I was under the misapprehension that hitting a QB in the knees was a 15 yard penalty. That's about 75 yards in penalties Minnesota got away with in the first half. And I am calling bullcrap on those who are saying other QBs have their knees destroyed (by unpenalized cheapshots) or take a shot like Florence did to Schaub's head and stay in the game. If you go at Big Ben's or Peyton's knees, that's a 15 yard penalty. And you are probably riding a cart off the field after the next play.

The problem with "complain to the league"... OK, maybe they fine Allen or even suspend him. Does that bring our injured player back? The league needs to punish the Vikings AND compensate the Texans. Such as giving the Texans the Vikings next two second round draft picks...
 

texanhead08

All Pro
I was screaming last year it was a friggin joke Haynesworth wasn't fined and/or suspended for the helmet to helmet in the game at Reliant. Then yesterday that crap happens, why aren't the Texans sending these tapes to the league and protesting what happened. If one of our guys did something like this they would be ejected on the spot.
 

Wolf

100% Texan
I think it is one of those things ... schaub hit in the knee .. we will see what happens... if it was brees or favre... (big names) ..all hell breaks lose because people come to see those guys play and NFL takes notice.. we will see if NFL takes notice on Schaub
 

Norg

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Football is a physical sport cant take the heat get out of the kitchen

Drew Brees takes hits he stays pretty healthy

Matt Hasselbeck played healthy for many years

Byron Leftwich has seemed to stay healthy over the years

Jason Campbell was sacked like 6 times today hes still healthy and has been active for along time
 

Norg

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All i seen was Brown push Allen then turn is back to him HAHAHAH rookie mastike

dont let NO one touch your QB even after the whistle

GOd bless 69 who was the weeaver or pitts who tried to save Matty from the chop block but he was a sec to late
 

GlassHalfFull

Hall of Fame
Football is a physical sport cant take the heat get out of the kitchen

Drew Brees takes hits he stays pretty healthy

Matt Hasselbeck played healthy for many years

Byron Leftwich has seemed to stay healthy over the years

Jason Campbell was sacked like 6 times today hes still healthy and has been active for along time
And where was Big Ben during the 2nd half? Give me a break, the players are bigger and more physical each year. The sport needs to make sure that cheap shots do not ruin the integrity of the game.
 

Koolaid Time

Drink Up!
Back in the 70's playing High School football, anyone that took a cheapo on the QB got "stood up" and chopped at the knees a few plays later...

Taught them a lesson every time.
 

TexanSam

Hall of Fame
Football is a physical sport cant take the heat get out of the kitchen

Drew Brees takes hits he stays pretty healthy

Matt Hasselbeck played healthy for many years

Byron Leftwich has seemed to stay healthy over the years

Jason Campbell was sacked like 6 times today hes still healthy and has been active for along time
Say what you will about the play of David Carr, but the guy was one tough dude to get hit so many times and never get hurt (except for once I believe).
 

Wolf

100% Texan
Say what you will about the play of David Carr, but the guy was one tough dude to get hit so many times and never get hurt (except for once I believe).
why hurt him , when he can't read a defense.. and risk putting tony banks or sage in ..

I am joking of course TS:D
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
I added my comments.
And you get a rep for your efforts.

If Texan fans don't defend Texan players, who will? It ain't going to be Peter King.

Eleven comments so far. One from someone who called me a few bad names, but no problem if it means that the overall comment count improves the googleability of this post and the chances that AOL makes it a bigger issue.
 

spurstexanstros

Texans Rising
Hmmmmm wondering how DC would be doing with the improved line and more weapons......hmmmmm I may out do you TC. I bet you a coke I will get more negative comments when I rehash my "it wasnt Carr's fault thread"

I am pissed off that DC was run out of town for this fragile "better" QB

on second thought i wont rehash it.... even though I did tell yall getting rid of DC was a mistake.... Matt is more injury and turnover prone.
 
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Blazing Arrow

Work'n da grill
1. Albert Haynesworth cheaped him over and over and over until he was
injured.

:mcnugget:

I believe you are talking one play and one legal hit. Hard hit but if it was a cheap shot AH would have been fined.

Schaub needs to learn a little Kenny Rogers and know when to hold'm and know when to fold'm ... IMO
 

Scooter

Funky
Say what you will about the play of David Carr, but the guy was one tough dude to get hit so many times and never get hurt (except for once I believe).
because carr was in a fetal position 1.5 seconds into that play. schaub stepped out, up, and through everyone coming almost unblocked and completed the pass. and of all the sacks in tonight's game, where did a defensive end come backside through the quarterback's knee - twice? a torn MCL because of a cheapshot isnt part of "fragile", neither are the mentioned shots we've allowed. what about the rest of the hits that schaub stands through and takes as just part of the game (of which we've given up way too many)?

i'm as pissed at schaub and kubiak for the turnovers and how kubiak handled the injury (i think KT said it best in another thread) as anyone else, but getting criticized for a cheap shot and subsequent knee injury is weak. big ben is this era's steve mcnair as far as being banged around and playing through it ... a torn MCL isnt exactly playing through a bruise or sprain. the fact that matt DID play through it should say something. matt's not 6'5" and 265lbs, he cant be fearless in the pocket and take those kinds of hits ... he can curl up into the fetal position safely or we can do better protecting him.
 

spurstexanstros

Texans Rising
because carr was in a fetal position 1.5 seconds into that play. schaub stepped out, up, and through everyone coming almost unblocked and completed the pass. and of all the sacks in tonight's game, where did a defensive end come backside through the quarterback's knee - twice? a torn MCL because of a cheapshot isnt part of "fragile", neither are the mentioned shots we've allowed. what about the rest of the hits that schaub stands through and takes as just part of the game (of which we've given up way too many)?

i'm as pissed at schaub and kubiak for the turnovers and how kubiak handled the injury (i think KT said it best in another thread) as anyone else, but getting criticized for a cheap shot and subsequent knee injury is weak. big ben is this era's steve mcnair as far as being banged around and playing through it ... a torn MCL isnt exactly playing through a bruise or sprain. the fact that matt DID play through it should say something. matt's not 6'5" and 265lbs, he cant be fearless in the pocket and take those kinds of hits ... he can curl up into the fetal position safely or we can do better protecting him.
Schaub has better line and more weapons...Imagine if a more moblie QB more durable Qb had the line, weapons and running game that Schaub has.

I think any QB would go into the fetal position behind the o-lines Carr played behind.
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
Schaub has better line and more weapons...Imagine if a more moblie QB more durable Qb had the line, weapons and running game that Schaub has.

I think any QB would go into the fetal position behind the o-lines Carr played behind.
Let's try to keep this thread on subject. There is an all-encompassing Carr thread in a different forum. Thanks.

:texflag:
 

Malloy

Hall of Fame
Here is the cheap shot Jared Allen video. Watch it while you can before the NFL pulls the video. Please please please leave comments to make it a bigger, more searchable story. If this had happened to a QB from a more high profile franchise, the real media would be all over it.

FanHouse: Did Jared Allen Cheap Shot Matt Schaub

The slo mo part is scary. It shows how badly the line got destroyed. It was amazing that Schaub got the ball off and had a completion. And it also shows how cheap that hit was.

Please leave a comment. Don't have to leave a real email and even if you did, they don't do anything with them. Just like the offensive line needs to make a fuss, so do Texan fans.

BTW, shortly after that play, Jared Allen got his shoulder hurt some after he was driven to the ground by one of the Olinemen.

Thanks, good stuff. Im sorry for some of the more lame comments you get on that blog of yours, I guess you get a little bit of everything.

When the NFL is so PC in everything they do (at least that is what they claim) they should start handing out suspensions for late hits and bad behaviour in games. They can fine players so why not punish the team also through suspensions, it might actually prove more useful than a fine if your lead rusher sits two games because of repeated cheap-shots.

Anywho, thanks for bringing this to peoples attention, now we just need to see if the NFL will do anything at all.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Here is the cheap shot Jared Allen video. Watch it while you can before the NFL pulls the video. Please please please leave comments to make it a bigger, more searchable story. If this had happened to a QB from a more high profile franchise, the real media would be all over it.

FanHouse: Did Jared Allen Cheap Shot Matt Schaub

The slo mo part is scary. It shows how badly the line got destroyed. It was amazing that Schaub got the ball off and had a completion. And it also shows how cheap that hit was.

Please leave a comment. Don't have to leave a real email and even if you did, they don't do anything with them. Just like the offensive line needs to make a fuss, so do Texan fans.

BTW, shortly after that play, Jared Allen got his shoulder hurt some after he was driven to the ground by one of the Olinemen.

Allen's helmet was behind Schaub's lower leg.............classic definition of a chop block. Classic lateral posterior hit resulting in an MCL tear. This hit was especially egregious since it occurred several seconds after Schaub's release of the ball........certainly not explainable by "inertia".............but entirely supported by "intent."
 

TD

Super Bowl Mascot
I dunno. It look likes he was stumbling his way toward Schaub. While the result sucked and it should be a penalty, I don't see it as a deliberate cheap shot.
 

Mr. White

Retired OLine Coach
I'm of the opinion that cheap shots are coached on both sides of the ball.

The fact that they (not just Allen) were taking cheap shots is a reflection of their coaching.

The fact that we didn't retaliate is a reflection of our coaching.
 

El Tejano

Hall of Fame
Hmmmmm wondering how DC would be doing with the improved line and more weapons......hmmmmm I may out do you TC. I bet you a coke I will get more negative comments when I rehash my "it wasnt Carr's fault thread"

I am pissed off that DC was run out of town for this fragile "better" QB

on second thought i wont rehash it.... even though I did tell yall getting rid of DC was a mistake.... Matt is more injury and turnover prone.
Dude he's gone. Get over it, and I'm sure you have liked having more wins and the ball moving up and down the field vs. just taking 3 and outs.
 

El Tejano

Hall of Fame
What ticks me off about the way he was hit is I remember us getting penalized for the same kind of hit.

On top of all this, where was our coach to argue with a ref that the hits were illegal, and how come our defense didn't start getting rough either?
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
I dunno. It look likes he was stumbling his way toward Schaub. While the result sucked and it should be a penalty, I don't see it as a deliberate cheap shot.
Under the rules, a defensive player is to avoid hitting a quarterback low. He didn't look like he was doing much avoiding. According to the rule:

If possible, rushing defenders must make a conscious effort to avoid low hits on the quarterback. Previously, defenders were not compelled to make a conscious effort to avoid low hits if momentum was a factor. Penalty: Roughing the passer, loss of 15 yards.


It was totally possible to avoid hitting Schaub low. Allen wasn't being touched. Schaub had released the ball.

That he had already hit Schaub low speaks to intent.
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
What ticks me off about the way he was hit is I remember us getting penalized for the same kind of hit.
In the Jacksonville game. But that was a hit not from the blindside. And it didn't look like it was done to deliberately harm--it just look like a sack that went a little low.
 

Malloy

Hall of Fame
I'm of the opinion that cheap shots are coached on both sides of the ball.

The fact that they (not just Allen) were taking cheap shots is a reflection of their coaching.

The fact that we didn't retaliate is a reflection of our coaching.
I agree, I just wish the NFL would start whipping out suspensions to the players doing it, that way you would change the amount of cheap-shotting alot, I think.

Or, if any penalty is considered REALLY dangerous, aka cheapshotting knees, the victimized team should get the ball on the 20 yard line, or if within the red zone such a penalty should place the ball on the 1-yard line. Until there is a collective HARSH punishment for cheap-shotting it'll continue.
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
Allen's helmet was behind Schaub's lower leg.............classic definition of a chop block. Classic lateral posterior hit resulting in an MCL tear. This hit was especially egregious since it occurred several seconds after Schaub's release of the ball........certainly not explainable by "inertia".............but entirely supported by "intent."
I'm not sure that it was several seconds after, but Schaub had clearly released the ball.

Everybody, keep up the comments. Blog video here.
 

Buffi2

Veteran
I added a comment and didn't call anyone a bad name - although I would have liked to call Jared a word or two - which I did in front of the TV.
 

TheRealJoker

Hall of Fame
Quick question:

Kubes said Schaub was originally hurt on the first series of the game right? Was that hit a cheap shot as well?
 
I'm not sure that it was several seconds after, but Schaub had clearly released the ball.

Everybody, keep up the comments. Blog video here.
After watching that video I don't know about anyone else but I'm pissed at Salaam. Finish the GD block and this doesn't happen. What the heck is he doing, he has Allen beat and then turns around like he wants to see the play instead of plowing him into the dirt like he should be doing. Unreal.
 

MannyFresh

El Capitan
Its time for the Texans to start going to war for the QB. They need to discover that House of Pain mindset again.
 
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