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Schaub out for a month

JayCee

Waterboy
didn't see this posted anywhere else, sorry if it has

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SCHAUB OUT A MONTH
Posted by Mike Florio on November 3, 2008, 1:38 p.m.

Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that Texans quarterback Matt Schaub suffered a torn MCL on Sunday against the Vikings, and he’ll miss at least a month.

The MCL typically heals itself with rest; surgery is required only when there’s a complete tear.

Taking Schaub’s place will be Sage Rosenfels, one of the better backup quarterbacks in the league (notwithstanding that unfortunate John Elway imitation, which cost the Texans a win over the Colts).

Over the next four weeks, the Texans host the Ravens in the Ike makeup game, travel to Indy for a rematch with the Colts, head to Cleveland for a game against the Browns, and then return to Houston for a Monday nighter against Jacksonville.

Rosenfels completed 21 of 29 passes in the second half of Sunday’s loss to the Vikings, generating a passer rating of 103.2. His 92.8 rating for the season is actually higher than Schaub’s (91.0).
 

Hardcore Texan

Magnet Man
didn't see this posted anywhere else, sorry if it has

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Well that sucks. I have been looking for an update all morning. How much more damage and consequent heal time was cause by Kubiak not pulling him out and have the trainers evaluate him on the sideline right after the second hit. :gun:

If Sage can protect the ball, and I know that is a big if we shouldn't be too bad off. He played pretty well last year when he had the chance.
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
Staff member
Contributor's Club
wow...what a bummer.

I guess we'll see if Sage can step up for a full 60 minutes. Hope he protects the ball at all costs.
 

SheTexan

Hall of Fame
Whatever will be will be! (groan)!:gun: This highly anticipated season is down the crapper anyway. I LOVE my TEXANS and will be there to support them as always. BUT, my excitement level is reaching an all time low.
 

Norg

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I still think ol Sagey Is better then Matty if he wins games for us in these up and coming 8 games then he should be the starter forever

We should have never got matt we should of traded car and made Sage the starter

and saved our 2 second round picks
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
Whatever will be will be! (groan)!:gun: This highly anticipated season is down the crapper anyway. I LOVE my TEXANS and will be there to support them as always. BUT, my excitement level is reaching an all time low.

That's about word for word exactly how I feel.
 

V3rm0nt3r

Rookie
god... first we had a guy who sucked and got sacked ALL THE TIME but would never get hurt and now we got a guy who still gets hit a LOT but he's actually good and now he's hurt...

we are fantastic with these franchise quaterbacks. and yes i think Schaub is good...when healthy
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
Craptastic. Now we get a whole month of Rosencopter and his poor decisions at the worst possible moments.:gun:
 

BSofA04

Veteran
CRAP! BSPN is reporting this now. Floyd Reese is saying as a team, we wern't playing as well as we should. No $hit.

Now they're saying that this could hurt us because it limits his reps. Awesome reporting. Seriously insightful stuff.:rolleyes:
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Whatever will be will be! (groan)!:gun: This highly anticipated season is down the crapper anyway. I LOVE my TEXANS and will be there to support them as always. BUT, my excitement level is reaching an all time low.
well said for majority of faithfull Texans fans but as always its :glasshalffull:
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Sucks for Shaub, but I am confident that Sage will show many Houston fans that he can do a pretty good job. This might work out.
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
I still think ol Sagey Is better then Matty if he wins games for us in these up and coming 8 games then he should be the starter forever

We should have never got matt we should of traded car and made Sage the starter

and saved our 2 second round picks
Why? So we can have even more Rosencopter moments to cringe about?

Sage has a had multiple changes to be a starting NFL Qb, and he has failed everytime.
 

TheCD

Rookie
This really makes me upset about that hit on Schaub. I don't know about anyone else...but as soon as I saw that I was screaming at the t.v. for a flag. I hope he gets fined for that...it was intentional and certainly dirty (that's just my opinion at least).
 

texan9885

Practice Squad
This really makes me upset about that hit on Schaub. I don't know about anyone else...but as soon as I saw that I was screaming at the t.v. for a flag. I hope he gets fined for that...it was intentional and certainly dirty (that's just my opinion at least).
I thought that too, guys like him and Haynesworth fall on the qbs legs all the time trying to hurt them. I wish we had a mean but clean guy like Jared Allen and Haynesworth.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Why? So we can have even more Rosencopter moments to cringe about?

Sage has a had multiple changes to be a starting NFL Qb, and he has failed everytime.
People like you really trip me out. All you can do is point to that one game, completely ignoring what Sage has done for most of that game and in many others. Then you totally ignore Shaub's TO's and his deer in headlights syndrome where he drops the ball the moment a D lineman touches him.

Keep sounding like a broken record talking about the Colts game all you want. It gets stale and old. Move on. Sage can make plays. He isn't a great QB, but Shaub really isn't any better than Sage. Look at the numbers between the first and 2nd half of that game. Sage moved the chains a lot better than Shaub did. Will he in every game? Dunno, but he has proven that he can play at least as good as Shaub. Shaub was a back up just like Sage was. You and many others only like Shaub so much because Kubiak called him the starter after a golf game.
 

Norg

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Carr should of stayed for 1 more year

how can u cut a guy after he beat the colts and a up a coming browns team

then Sage should of been the starter when he left

Getting scahub has come back to bite us n the butt
 

GlassHalfFull

Hall of Fame
People like you really trip me out. All you can do is point to that one game, completely ignoring what Sage has done for most of that game and in many others. Then you totally ignore Shaub's TO's and his deer in headlights syndrome where he drops the ball the moment a D lineman touches him.

Keep sounding like a broken record talking about the Colts game all you want. It gets stale and old. Move on. Sage can make plays. He isn't a great QB, but Shaub really isn't any better than Sage. Look at the numbers between the first and 2nd half of that game. Sage moved the chains a lot better than Shaub did. Will he in every game? Dunno, but he has proven that he can play at least as good as Shaub. Shaub was a back up just like Sage was. You and many others only like Shaub so much because Kubiak called him the starter after a golf game.
I can point to several games, including the one this past Sunday, when Sage has made expensive turnovers by forcing plays. Schaub's interception Sunday, was an underthrown pass, caused by throwing off an injured leg. Sage's was trying to force a play and throwing into tight double coverage. What about last year's Titan's game? Yes, Sage brought us back to an almost miraculous comeback - but he got us into a deep hole in the first place with interceptions. Sage seems very prone to brain farts, he will move the ball - but he will make stupid mistakes. I think that is what most of the Sage naysayers see - preventable mistakes. Do NOT fool yourself into thinking there is only ONE game Sage has thrown away - literally.

Maybe I should bold this so you can understand it.
 

BSofA04

Veteran
Rosenfels plays better when he has a full week of preperation going in as the starting QB. The other advantage is that he's a bit more mobile than Schaub, although that's not really saying much.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
I think I called 4-12 to 6-10 for the season about two weeks ago. I'm feeling pretty good about that prediction.

Likewise I've downgraded my prediction to 6-10. Oh well. At least we'll get some good draft picks next year. I still have confidence in the Texans management to draft well.
 

J-Russ

Veteran
Schaub out for-ever for the Texans. I'm finished with him, hopefully Smith and Kubiak are too. This guy is going to get us nowhere if he's going to miss 5-6 games a season.
 

gtexan02

Working?
At least no one can say that Schaub isn't tough. He got hit twice in his knee, and still finished the half. Afterwards, he kept his helmet on, ready to go.

All with a torn MCL

This has nothing to do with being injury prone and has everything to do with having a crappy OL and a cheap DE (Jared Allen went low on Schaub a TON)
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Schaub out for-ever for the Texans. I'm finished with him, hopefully Smith and Kubiak are too. This guy is going to get us nowhere if he's going to miss 5-6 games a season.
You've gone on and on calling Shaub this great QB for the franchise and the future. How are you all of a sudden that quick off of his band wagon? Wow.
 

J-Russ

Veteran
People like you really trip me out. All you can do is point to that one game, completely ignoring what Sage has done for most of that game and in many others. Then you totally ignore Shaub's TO's and his deer in headlights syndrome where he drops the ball the moment a D lineman touches him.

Keep sounding like a broken record talking about the Colts game all you want. It gets stale and old. Move on. Sage can make plays. He isn't a great QB, but Shaub really isn't any better than Sage. Look at the numbers between the first and 2nd half of that game. Sage moved the chains a lot better than Shaub did. Will he in every game? Dunno, but he has proven that he can play at least as good as Shaub. Shaub was a back up just like Sage was. You and many others only like Shaub so much because Kubiak called him the starter after a golf game.
Sage is a mental midget. If the Colts game wasn't enough to prove that, then his own play-calling from yesterday that resulted in a endzone int should.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
They need another QB on the roster.
1) Who?
2) Who gets cut?
the Texans cut both Boyd/Brink when setting roster to final 52. then a few weeks ago they resigned Alex to the practice squad, not sure if Shane Boyd was eligible?

I will say a couple things, Alex knows the offense & I beleive he can manage a more run orientated variation of the ZBS. Now we'll really get to see how good this coaching staff is at adapting to circumstances :whip:
 
This really makes me upset about that hit on Schaub. I don't know about anyone else...but as soon as I saw that I was screaming at the t.v. for a flag. I hope he gets fined for that...it was intentional and certainly dirty (that's just my opinion at least).
I was thinking the same thing and to make it worse Allen went after his knees a second time and that seems to have caused even more damage. If it was Manning I guarantee you there would have been a penalty.
 

J-Russ

Veteran
You've gone on and on calling Shaub this great QB for the franchise and the future. How are you all of a sudden that quick off of his band wagon? Wow.
Because he is injured... again. He looks destined to be an injury-prone player, so why would I want to extend his option and make him the highest pay player for us? He has all the tools to succedd as a QB under Kubiak, his only downfall is being injury-prone, which obviously I wasn't expecting this season. I thought last season injury was just a down year for him.... oh boy, am I changed man.

Basically, minus injury, Schaub is a QB that I am comfortable having lead our team. But it doesn't look like we can rely on him to stay healthy enough to lead us to where we want to go.
 

buddyboy

Rookie
And then on the last drive of the Vikings game, we had a shot to come back, but instead Sage stood there in the pocket like a statue and got sacked twice in a row.
 
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Polo

Guest
Matt would do himself wonders if he could move around in the pocket better...

On that strip sack that Allen had, Schaub could've avoided it if he had just stepped up a bit and let Duane continue to push him upfield...

Easier said than done tho'
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
People like you really trip me out. All you can do is point to that one game, completely ignoring what Sage has done for most of that game and in many others. Then you totally ignore Shaub's TO's and his deer in headlights syndrome where he drops the ball the moment a D lineman touches him.

Keep sounding like a broken record talking about the Colts game all you want. It gets stale and old. Move on. Sage can make plays. He isn't a great QB, but Shaub really isn't any better than Sage. Look at the numbers between the first and 2nd half of that game. Sage moved the chains a lot better than Shaub did. Will he in every game? Dunno, but he has proven that he can play at least as good as Shaub. Shaub was a back up just like Sage was. You and many others only like Shaub so much because Kubiak called him the starter after a golf game.
It's not like that one game was against Sage's norm, and I don't mean just his play here in Hoston. In case you didn't know, and I'm assuming you don't, Sage was also given every chance to win the starting job in Miami before coming to Houston. Any guesses as to how that turned out? When Minnestoa offered a draft pick for Sage, I was shocked that there were any teams left in the NFL who thought he good be a started in this league.

I prefer Schaub becuase he I think he has potential that he has yet to meet, unlike Sage who I don't think will get any better. Also you are right that I like Matt over Sage bacause Kubiak called him the starter after a gold game, and so should you; unless you think you know more then the HC.

And please drop the all bolded posts. It's only slighly less annoying then the all caps post.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
Sage is a mental midget. If the Colts game wasn't enough to prove that, then his own play-calling from yesterday that resulted in a endzone int should.
Yup. Let's see 3rd and less than one at the 18. I know, I'll call a play to throw a low percentage pass into the endzone with double coverage instead of handing the ball off, or thowing a dink pass. Ya, that's a brilliant call Sage. He has a future as an OC after that brilliant deductive reasoning.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
I can point to several games, including the one this past Sunday, when Sage has made expensive turnovers by forcing plays. Schaub's interception Sunday, was an underthrown pass, caused by throwing off an injured leg. Sage's was trying to force a play and throwing into tight double coverage. What about last year's Titan's game? Yes, Sage brought us back to an almost miraculous comeback - but he got us into a deep hole in the first place with interceptions. Sage seems very prone to brain farts, he will move the ball - but he will make stupid mistakes. I think that is what most of the Sage naysayers see - preventable mistakes. Do NOT fool yourself into thinking there is only ONE game Sage has thrown away - literally.

Maybe I should bold this so you can understand it.
I never said that Sage was a savior or the team's franchise QB. He runs the offense more efficiently though. He can make more plays against the tougher defenses. I notice it every single time he goes in there.

I really don't think Sage or Shaub is much better than the other depending on who you really think is better or worse. They are both back ups. The point is that Shaub going down right now really doesn't hurt the team. Our offense will look the same with Sage if not maybe a LITTLE better, but not a lot. So this isn't that big of a deal.

And no I wouldn't agree with your points if they were bolded. It's hilarious that guys like you still try using that as an argument against my posts when you've not nothing else. Get lost.
 

NBT

Waterboy
Hey, Sage played pretty dang well in support of Matt last year, and was the major reason we ended up 8-8. Why all the negativity? Yes, he made a mistake. Name one Texan this year who hasn't other than Mario? And just think of these wonderful coaching jobs that have been done (or should I say undone?) Some of the schemes absolutely sucked!
 
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Polo

Guest
Yup. Let's see 3rd and less than one at the 18. I know, I'll call a play to throw a low percentage pass into the endzone with double coverage instead of handing the ball off, or thowing a dink pass. Ya, that's a brilliant call Sage. He has a future as an OC after that brilliant deductive reasoning.
Is that why Gibbs was all over him ?
 

JWarren14

Beer Me
PUT IN THE FUTURE.....

ALEX BRINK!!!!

Just kidding....kinda

What about the wildcat with Owen Daniels in the gun with JJ and AJ on the outside a little fake to Steve and a triple reverse with OD pitching to AJ who pitches to JJ for a TD.

Tennessee - AJ catches a pass or two in the endzone WIN
Jacksonville- Stop Garrard on several occasions WIN
Indianapolis - No Rosencopter WIN
Minnesota - No picks just settle for field goals and Bennett holds on WIN

We have players and coaches who will get us in position to win, but not anyone who will make plays to WIN the game. Its looking pretty bad right now, we cant win on the road so thats at least 3 more losses if we lose to the Raiders I will be sick, .500 or a winning season is not looking good. It's almost a given that if Schaub is going to play any above average D-Line where he gets pressure he is going to A) Get Hurt or B) Get Hurt and turn the ball over, either way he is getting hurt. Oh well at least the Dynamo are in the playoffs and the Rockets are still unbeaten. Im going to start researching for the draft. The only thing I have to look forward to is the Tailgate of the year competition @ the Bears game.
 

awtysst

Draft Guru
What we need on offense is a David Garrard or Jeff Garcia type of QB. Basically a guy that runs the offense, makes the short necessary West Coast types of passes but can stretch the field when necessary. We need a guy that doesn't take sacks, doesn't throw risky passes, but instead manages the game efficiently. Thats the guy we need. When healthy, Schaub can be that guy. Unfortunately it seems that he cant stay healthy.
 
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