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Phase Two of the Texans... The new era

barrett

barrett

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It is finally here. We have made it to the next level of competitiveness. We can officially beat any team. I'm not saying we will, I'm saying, as a franchise, we are good enough that if we play well, and are coached well during the game, we could beat anybody.

This is a first for this franchise and a first for us as fans of this team.

No longer are we "trying to turn this thing around". The ship is righted. We're not as good as we could be but we are out of the "no wake zone". The motor is in the water. We can look at any game on the schedule and say, we have the tools to beat this team.

Think about all the bickering in the last two weeks... how proud are we of this team? how high are our expectations? This team is good. We know it, they know it. Erik Winston's quotes from yesterday are enough to make you want to stay for the whole fu(king game!!!! This team thinks they are capable of beating anyone. They are right.

welcome to the next phase. the phase where we belong on the field ever sunday.

Go Texans
 
barrett said:
It is finally here. We have made it to the next level of competitiveness. We can officially beat any team. I'm not saying we will, I'm saying, as a franchise, we are good enough that if we play well, and are coached well during the game, we could beat anybody.

This is a first for this franchise and a first for us as fans of this team.

No longer are we "trying to turn this thing around". The ship is righted. We're not as good as we could be but we are out of the "no wake zone". The motor is in the water. We can look at any game on the schedule and say, we have the tools to beat this team.

Think about all the bickering in the last two weeks... how proud are we of this team? how high are our expectations? This team is good. We know it, they know it. Erik Winston's quotes from yesterday are enough to make you want to stay for the whole fu(king game!!!! This team thinks they are capable of beating anyone. They are right.

welcome to the next phase. the phase where we belong on the field ever sunday.

Go Texans
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I agree, once we stop playing guys who have no talent in our secondary. The Lions had alot of open lanes, and just missed open guys. Bad CB's+bad Safties= Lose.
 
No. Weaver's gotta go. Greenwood's gotta go. And until I see improvement, we're going to be drafting another QB in 2010. Which means we'll be rebuilding once again. Some where out there Warren Moon and David Craig are smiling at another QB to snatch the QB fumbling record from them.
 
threetoedpete said:
No. Weaver's gotta go. Greenwood's gotta go. And until I see improvement, we're going to be drafting another QB in 2010. Which means we'll be rebuilding once again. Some where out there Warren Moon and David Craig are smiling at another QB to snatch the QB fumbling record from them.
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Im not happy with his fumbles, but I liked what the offense showed. I know its a bad team, but they brought a beat down. Add guard and center to the list.
 
We aren't good enough to beat a quality team unless they are having a bad day. We are good enough to beat bad teams and other mediocre teams such as ourselves though.

This team has to far many holes in the defense to compete on a higher level. The offense though is probably one lineman and a RB short of keeping up with the best in the league.
 
barrett said:
It is finally here. We have made it to the next level of competitiveness. We can officially beat any team. I'm not saying we will, I'm saying, as a franchise, we are good enough that if we play well, and are coached well during the game, we could beat anybody.
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This is precisely the reason I can't let go of the Indy game. The knock on the Texans is the team's beneficent instinct in crunch time. They simply cannot close out games with the same intensity that they play with when the game is close. That weakness is compounded given the difficulty of the division. If you get a saavy team like the Colts pinned on your home turf, you have to string em up, slit the jugular vein, and bleed em out. If you have a chance to win a road game against the Jags by simply stopping their quarterback from running the ball down your throat in the fourth quarter, you make the adjustments and close out the game. Until the Texans show me this, I will consider them the underdog every Sunday.
 
Texans offense will never be elite with the QB's turning it over so much.
 
:spit:......iam sorry but we are not there yet we still have many problem with are team that iam sure u all know about

yea we can go aganist anytime but if we face elite teams are chances of winning are MUCHHH MUCHH lower
 
Polo said:
Texans offense will never be elite with the QB's turning it over so much.
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just as an example as he is held up by many to be "elite", Tony Romo has been intercepted 5 times and MS has been picked 7 times. Romo has fumbled 6 times and lost 3 of them, which is exactly the same as MS.

odd to me that Schaub is hacked on by some for his turnovers, and yet Romo has virtually the same, and on a better team?

I don't know. It's hard to make everyone happy, but I do know I am happy that some on this MB are not in charge of our football team.
 
Silver Oak said:
just as an example as he is held up by many to be "elite", Tony Romo has been intercepted 5 times and MS has been picked 7 times. Romo has fumbled 6 times and lost 3 of them, which is exactly the same as MS.

odd to me that Schaub is hacked on by some for his turnovers, and yet Romo has virtually the same, and on a better team?

I don't know. It's hard to make everyone happy, but I do know I am happy that some on this MB are not in charge of our football team.
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Would you say Dallas has more talent than the Texans? Would you say Dallas has lived up to expectations to this point? Funny how turnovers can kill any team, huh?

Romo's #1 criticism is dumb mistakes. When the team wins, that criticism gets overlooked to a point. See the board today as evidence of that. Instead of pointing out what an idiotic fumble that was by Schaub, we're all talking about the win, and what we can do the rest of the season. The fact that we won doesn't make that fumble any less stupid - it just gets ignored. Moreover, we don't care about Romo on this forum :)
 
Polo said:
Texans offense will never be elite with the QB's turning it over so much.
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...or until your o-line can consistently give you the push to make a first down on third and fourth and short.

The Texans team will never truely turn the corner until they have a defense that is in, or close to, the top half of the league. If this defense were almost average, we could compete for a play-off spot.
 
Silver Oak said:
just as an example as he is held up by many to be "elite", Tony Romo has been intercepted 5 times and MS has been picked 7 times. Romo has fumbled 6 times and lost 3 of them, which is exactly the same as MS.

odd to me that Schaub is hacked on by some for his turnovers, and yet Romo has virtually the same, and on a better team?

I don't know. It's hard to make everyone happy, but I do know I am happy that some on this MB are not in charge of our football team.
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LOL @ you not paying attention...

No one compared Matt Schaub to Tony Romo and no one compared The Texans to the Cowboys except you...

I said the Texans Offense (meaning the whole offense and not one person) will never be "elite" if the QB's (again, not one person's name is mentioned) keep turning it over so much.

And...

Some offenses can funtion with high turnovers because of their defense and/or they are a "passing team". We are neither.

I'm glad you aren't the coach if you think that our offense can be elite with so many turnovers from our QB's. Really glad.
 
Polo said:
Texans offense will never be elite with the QB's turning it over so much.
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Seconded. Schaub does not value the ball and there were atleast 2 balls he forced to the WR that would have been picked against a good team.

I am happy the team won, but after the game I felt like the team only "didn't lose", if that makes any sense.

Tell me exactly how this "era" is any different than the 7-9 year as far as results. We are finding ways to lose and we our wins are short of convincing.

I am not going to put the blame all on Schaub, Kubiak or the defense. The entire package just isn't there yet to be considered a great team. We are just trying to climb our way into mediocre now.
 
eriadoc said:
When the team wins, that criticism gets overlooked to a point. See the board today as evidence of that. Instead of pointing out what an idiotic fumble that was by Schaub, we're all talking about the win, and what we can do the rest of the season. The fact that we won doesn't make that fumble any less stupid - it just gets ignored. Moreover, we don't care about Romo on this forum :)
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Speaking for myself only, this was one of the least satisfying games of the year. I think the Texans played better against the Jags and Colts than the Lions. The two wins don't exactly fill me with contentment because the team still needs improvement in multiple facets of the game.

Three points of exasperation:

1. The Schaub fumble -- another dumb mental mistake that cost the team valuable points

2. The TD to Megatron --no explanation needed. Petey Faggins solo? Really, Dick?

3. The fourth down call -- it worked and the Texans scored the TD, but Kubiak has to be smarter. That was just dumb. Take the points next time.
 
Mailman said:
This is precisely the reason I can't let go of the Indy game. The knock on the Texans is the team's beneficent instinct in crunch time. They simply cannot close out games with the same intensity that they play with when the game is close. That weakness is compounded given the difficulty of the division. If you get a saavy team like the Colts pinned on your home turf, you have to string em up, slit the jugular vein, and bleed em out. If you have a chance to win a road game against the Jags by simply stopping their quarterback from running the ball down your throat in the fourth quarter, you make the adjustments and close out the game. Until the Texans show me this, I will consider them the underdog every Sunday.
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I don't think that we're an under dog every single week. Most weeks, but I considered the Lions to be the under dog in this game and I think that Cinci is the under dog this week as well. I also think that we should have 3 wins now and possibly 4 if not for some of those poor calls on Kubiak's part in the Jacksonville game. I really believe that this team should have 4 wins, which really wouldn't be that bad when considering how we would have a better record than the Chargers surprisingly.

The offense is playing at a high level finally. The O line is blocking better, and if we can consistently get the ball to Johnson then we can move the ball period.

However, I just don't see Kubiak being able to take this team to the next level past this. I think he is a good enough coach to have us as a mediocre team that can compete with just about any team, but not beat just about any team if that makes sense. Kubiak and Smith have brought in a ton of defensive players to replace what was here when they came in and the defensive coaches continue to make bad calls. Kubiak needs to to something with SMith in my opinion since Smith continues to have certain players in bad positions making our D vulnerable.

However though, 2 wins in a row now and I think that we will beat Cinci next week.
 
imatexan said:
Too bad that has already happend!
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LOL...You think our offense is elite?

I've still yet to see Matt Schaub play at a high level (start to finish) against a dominant defense...

And even if I give you the Jags game from this yr. (I wouldn't consider their defense to be all that intimidating at this point) that'd bring his good performances against good defenses to a grand total of 1...

Let me see Matt Schaub perform against Baltimore, the Titans or any other defense good at applying pressure...until then it's a milestone he's yet to pass...
 
I understand the turnover's are hurting our team, but IMO, the defense is hurting it even more.

Offense 23.3 pts /game = Average
369.5 yds/game = #5 in the league

Defense gives up 29.8 pts/game = Next to last in the league
338.8 yds/game = Bottom half of league

I understand turnovers have some to do with our defensive woes, but not as much as some make it out to be.

Our defensive players/coaches/asst coaches/etc are not getting the job done, period.
 
Polo said:
LOL...You think our offense is elite?

I've still yet to see Matt Schaub play at a high level (start to finish) against a dominant defense...

And even if I give you the Jags game from this yr. (I wouldn't consider their defense to be all that intimidating at this point) that'd bring his good performances against good defenses to a grand total of 1...

Let me see Matt Schaub perform against Baltimore, the Titans or any other defense good at applying pressure...until then it's a milestone he's yet to pass...
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LOL at your focusing on a position that, when compared to others on the team is solid, while many positions are much more unstable.

I'll keep your opinion of this "milestone" MS has to pass and remind you of it when it occurs. Maybe then you'll be more likely to see the other places this team needs more immediate attention.
 
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Along with that, we couldn't beat Pitts or Tenn to save our lives right now.
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We're not that far from tenn. imo. It's mainly b/c they are division rivals, but we always play them fairly well & 3 out of 4 times we have a chance to win the game in the 4th...we just haven't been able to do it for various reasons....

Pittsburgh on the other hand has smacked us down very good since aaron glenn's 2 int TD returns from 2001-02. Ditto for SD.
 
Mailman said:
Speaking for myself only, this was one of the least satisfying games of the year. I think the Texans played better against the Jags and Colts than the Lions. The two wins don't exactly fill me with contentment because the team still needs improvement in multiple facets of the game.

Three points of exasperation:

1. The Schaub fumble -- another dumb mental mistake that cost the team valuable points

2. The TD to Megatron --no explanation needed. Petey Faggins solo? Really, Dick?

3. The fourth down call -- it worked and the Texans scored the TD, but Kubiak has to be smarter. That was just dumb. Take the points next time.
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No issues with the first two. On #3, I would have made the same call. We want to say we're a "playoff-ready" team. Playoff-ready teams are supposed to be able to kick weak sisters like the Lions' butts up & down the field. If that's true, then we should be able to get a freakin' yard. ...in our own house. Time to put the guys to the test. I have no issues with gut checks for the offense ...especially on their 3 and up 21-10.
 
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barrett said:
It is finally here. We have made it to the next level of competitiveness. We can officially beat any team. I'm not saying we will, I'm saying, as a franchise, we are good enough that if we play well, and are coached well during the game, we could beat anybody.

This is a first for this franchise and a first for us as fans of this team.

No longer are we "trying to turn this thing around". The ship is righted. We're not as good as we could be but we are out of the "no wake zone". The motor is in the water. We can look at any game on the schedule and say, we have the tools to beat this team.

Think about all the bickering in the last two weeks... how proud are we of this team? how high are our expectations? This team is good. We know it, they know it. Erik Winston's quotes from yesterday are enough to make you want to stay for the whole fu(king game!!!! This team thinks they are capable of beating anyone. They are right.

welcome to the next phase. the phase where we belong on the field ever sunday.

Go Texans
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we are 2-4, last in the division, winless in the division in all 3 contests, barely beat the winless Lions and we have finally arrived? You need to be a Republican strategist. You clearly have potential.
 
barrett said:
It is finally here. We have made it to the next level of competitiveness. We can officially beat any team. I'm not saying we will, I'm saying, as a franchise, we are good enough that if we play well, and are coached well during the game, we could beat anybody.

This is a first for this franchise and a first for us as fans of this team.

No longer are we "trying to turn this thing around". The ship is righted. We're not as good as we could be but we are out of the "no wake zone". The motor is in the water. We can look at any game on the schedule and say, we have the tools to beat this team.

Think about all the bickering in the last two weeks... how proud are we of this team? how high are our expectations? This team is good. We know it, they know it. Erik Winston's quotes from yesterday are enough to make you want to stay for the whole fu(king game!!!! This team thinks they are capable of beating anyone. They are right.

welcome to the next phase. the phase where we belong on the field ever sunday.

Go Texans
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I agree. But we aren't done yet. The next target is the "we expect to beat anyone" phase. We're still a ways away from that status. When we upgrade the positions all you guys have identified and get the turnover problem pounded flat we'll be there.
 
Silver Oak said:
LOL at your focusing on a position that, when compared to others on the team is solid, while many positions are much more unstable.

I'll keep your opinion of this "milestone" MS has to pass and remind you of it when it occurs. Maybe then you'll be more likely to see the other places this team needs more immediate attention.
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Meanwhile, I'll update you the the Texans can overcome an average of two turnovers a week by their QB's...




P.S....Don't hold your breath waiting for that update....
 
Polo said:
LOL...You think our offense is elite?

I've still yet to see Matt Schaub play at a high level (start to finish) against a dominant defense...

And even if I give you the Jags game from this yr. (I wouldn't consider their defense to be all that intimidating at this point) that'd bring his good performances against good defenses to a grand total of 1...

Let me see Matt Schaub perform against Baltimore, the Titans or any other defense good at applying pressure...until then it's a milestone he's yet to pass...
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1 New Orleans Saints 7 25.6 179 450 402.3 6.3 20.0 43 89 48 1 5 20 46 442 31:12 11 6 -4
2 Denver Broncos 6 27.7 166 384 399.7 6.2 22.7 33 72 46 1 2 50 26 231 28:53 10 6 -4
3 New York Giants 6 28.3 170 379 395.0 6.3 22.8 28 66 42 1 2 50 41 353 33:11 5 0 +1
4 Dallas Cowboys 7 27 189 428 393.1 6.4 20.4 47 90 52 2 3 67 57 460 30:29 15 5 -6
5 Houston Texans 6 23.3 140 394 369.5 5.6 22.7 33 77 43 5 10 50 16 119 32:32 12 6 -9


Proof and i dont think that even includes this week, which we did great offensively once again!
 
Remeber the days of having to be a fan of a team who could not even attempt to throw a pass without getting the QB hurried, sacked, or hit as he threw the ball??
 
Vinny said:
we are 2-4, last in the division, winless in the division in all 3 contests, barely beat the winless Lions and we have finally arrived? You need to be a Republican strategist. You clearly have potential.
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Yeah, but we won two in a row! :ok:
 
Runner said:
That's nothing! If you take away three or four bad plays a game, and if the meanies in the NFL front office didn't make the Texans play good teams like the Steelers ... they'd be undefeated. Really.
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Win 2 more in a row and we'll be at .500!

Woohoo!
 
Our offense needs reps. It's good and all that's left is to get them the necessary experience. Then the mistakes will go down and the turnovers will decrease.

Possibly in the course of this year or next we'll be replacing a component or two but we have an offense that can beat most of the league.

Unfortunately we have a defense that can lose to any of the other 31 teams with ease. We're short a few players and more importantly any hint of a clue as to what we're trying to be. To my mind we'll be golden by the end of this year on one side and still an ugly work in progress on the other.
 
I'd still call us another O-Lineman short of "good" on the Offense, but our Defense isn't even CLOSE.

Unless / Until we fill the HUGE gaps at CB, FS and another good LB, we're going to give up 1+ highlight-reel play a week on Defense.
 
Polo said:
LOL...You think our offense is elite?

I've still yet to see Matt Schaub play at a high level (start to finish) against a dominant defense...

And even if I give you the Jags game from this yr. (I wouldn't consider their defense to be all that intimidating at this point) that'd bring his good performances against good defenses to a grand total of 1...

Let me see Matt Schaub perform against Baltimore, the Titans or any other defense good at applying pressure...until then it's a milestone he's yet to pass...
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First of all, you're not going to see many QBs at all play at a high level against Baltimore, Tennessee, or Pittsburgh. It just doesn't happen too often. That shouldn't be a knock against Schaub though. If that's the case, there's 28 other QBs you should be knocking too.

To me, even though he made some mistakes in the Titans game, he put the team in position to make plays and win the game. It wasn't his fault that the WRs were dropping TDs that game. So far, Schaub has played one horrible game and that was against Pittsburgh. He gets a mulligan from me for that because it's Pittsburgh. They make their living on making opposing offenses look bad. Tennessee wasn't all his fault. Against J'ville, Miami, and Detroit, he's looked freakin awesome. The Texans, under SCHAUB, have the 5th ranked offense in the league and the 2nd ranked offense in the AFC. It hasn't translated in the wins and losses column as of yet, but it's coming. The defense is the real problem. You should have said something like, "The Texans will never be an elite defense until they figure out how to create more turnovers, stop opposing offenses on 4th and 8 in the 4th quarter, or stop letting bad QBs throw 94 yard bombs on you and convert 3rd and 18." That sounds more like the problem right now to me. It's not Schaub! Some of you just can't get the #8 deal out of your heads. He's not David Carr and doesn't play anything like him. He's been playing some solid football this year. Give the man his dues, s#&t!
 
disaacks3 said:
I'd still call us another O-Lineman short of "good" on the Offense, but our Defense isn't even CLOSE.

Unless / Until we fill the HUGE gaps at CB, FS and another good LB, we're going to give up 1+ highlight-reel play a week on Defense.
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Agreed, plus you may add a new DC to that list.
 
Thorn said:
We aren't good enough to beat a quality team unless they are having a bad day. We are good enough to beat bad teams and other mediocre teams such as ourselves though.

This team has to far many holes in the defense to compete on a higher level. The offense though is probably one lineman and a RB short of keeping up with the best in the league.
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Agreed. I hate to be cynical because I want the team to be great, too. However, we've been around the block here in Houston with our pro teams and we fans can pretty well tell when a team is really good or not.

If we believe that barely beating the Lions and sitting at 2-4 is "arriving" or "turning the corner" then all I can say is that we turned the corner and arrived at slightly below mediocre. This team does not have the overall talent and has not shown the level of coaching that is required to be a contender ..... and that is what "arriving" and "turning the corner" should be about, is being a contender.
 
I guess it might be true for home games. It's the second staff and we're still TERRIBLE on the road. How about 4-15 under Kubiak. We have a long way to go. (2 of those wins were in Oakland)
 
I'll buy into this "new era" when Our defense no longer allows 28 pts agame and when we can cosistantly beat good teams. I'm sorry, but it still looks too much like the old era to me.... Improved old era, but old era nonetheless.
 
i think you guys are confused by the fact that we've had a slow start and still have some positional issues and are still making mistakes.

the facts here are that we are a better, more competitive, better coached, team that gives teams fits. we don't win them all yet, not many teams do in the NFL, but we HAVE turned the corner. if you think this team is in the same rung as it was under Capers and Casserly or even in the same rung it was 2 years ago when Kubiak took over.... then, well, to be frank, you're a dolt. go route for the Longhorns or the Cowboys. It's alot easier to notice when your team is good cuz they got all those big name players who are in the news everyday.

Johnson is such a letdown. "I'll never complain." jeeze what a jerk. and a ball hog too.

guys, we're good. we're not a superbowl powerhouse that puts the fear in every team we play but what we are is a sh!t load better football team than we were a few years ago. open you're eyes, look at how far we've come. look at how much better we are in the 56 minutes that we are running up and down the field. look at how much better we are even after the defense blows it and we've got to go 80 yards. look at how much better we are when our first string qb is sick and our backup has to play. look at how much better we are at zone blocking from 5 weeks ago!!!!!!! pay attention!!! look at how much better we are at applying pressure and disrupting what the opposing offense is trying to do. look at what we did to the "wild cat". we shut it down. we made 2 mistakes against it. 2!!! look at our third down percentage on defense over the last two weeks! look at our fu(king punter for crying out loud!!!! what are you people looking at?

i'm sick of this nonesense. if you can't see that we are a capable, competitive football team that has a very good chance to beat any opponent we play then you're watching the chiefs. and so be it. maybe Herm can give you some insite into what it takes to build a winner. ugh.

go texans.
 
barrett said:
i think you guys are confused by the fact that we've had a slow start and still have some positional issues and are still making mistakes.

the facts here are that we are a better, more competitive, better coached, team that gives teams fits. we don't win them all yet, not many teams do in the NFL, but we HAVE turned the corner. if you think this team is in the same rung as it was under Capers and Casserly or even in the same rung it was 2 years ago when Kubiak took over.... then, well, to be frank, you're a dolt. go route for the Longhorns or the Cowboys. It's alot easier to notice when your team is good cuz they got all those big name players who are in the news everyday.

Johnson is such a letdown. "I'll never complain." jeeze what a jerk. and a ball hog too.

guys, we're good. we're not a superbowl powerhouse that puts the fear in every team we play but what we are is a sh!t load better football team than we were a few years ago. open you're eyes, look at how far we've come. look at how much better we are in the 56 minutes that we are running up and down the field. look at how much better we are even after the defense blows it and we've got to go 80 yards. look at how much better we are when our first string qb is sick and our backup has to play. look at how much better we are at zone blocking from 5 weeks ago!!!!!!! pay attention!!! look at how much better we are at applying pressure and disrupting what the opposing offense is trying to do. look at what we did to the "wild cat". we shut it down. we made 2 mistakes against it. 2!!! look at our third down percentage on defense over the last two weeks! look at our fu(king punter for crying out loud!!!! what are you people looking at?

i'm sick of this nonesense. if you can't see that we are a capable, competitive football team that has a very good chance to beat any opponent we play then you're watching the chiefs. and so be it. maybe Herm can give you some insite into what it takes to build a winner. ugh.

go texans.
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Best Post Ever!!!

You will find Barrett and I in the Orange Lot at 11:00, sitting Indian Style on the asphault (we don't have chairs) while we strike two stones together to attempt to start a fire. It may not be the most impressive tailgating setup ever but it sure gets us in the right frame of mind as is evidence by what Barrett wrote. Oh yeah, the whiskey helps too! Come check out how real fans tailgate!!
 
The problem with this is that we have faced only one non-divisional top 10 football team - - - the Pittsburgh steelers - - - and they dominated us in every phase of the game.

We lost a screacher to Indy and Jax, got beat badly by Tenn, and won against two teams with a combined 2-10 record.

I think we are a much improved team, but I'm hardly ready to agree that we can compete with any team in the league.
 
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The problem with this is that we have faced only one non-divisional top 10 football team - - - the Pittsburgh steelers - - - and they dominated us in every phase of the game.

We lost a screacher to Indy and Jax, got beat badly by Tenn, and won against two teams with a combined 2-10 record.

I think we are a much improved team, but I'm hardly ready to agree that we can compete with any team in the league.
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You're confusing frustration and disappointment with what's going on now. This offense scores TDs unless we're trying to kill the clock or we turn it over. PERIOD! The defense for the past month has stopped the run and created good pressure with its front 4. Teams that do those things can beat anyone in the NFL this season, for sure!
 
Barrett & Dale,

I think most everyone acknowledges that we are better than in the Capers days but, we also feel that we are not as good as we should be by now under Kubiak/Smith/Smith. We certainly are not as good as you guys are making us out to be.

To say that we're SO MUCH better because our offense moves up and down the field may not be totally accurate because most everybody's offense is moving up and down the field nowadays. I mean THE BEARS scored over 40 points this past weekend! Defenses are weaker in the NFL right now and so offenses are looking better than they really are.

According to your theory, if we're so much better then we should literally stomp the Bengals this week, (and we should have had a "crushing" victory over the Lions last week), go to Minnesota and beat the struggling Vikings, come home and beat the Ravens, go to Indy and finish the job against the Colts, go to Cleveland and whip the struggling Browns, beat the Jags here, lose a close one in Green Bay, stick it to the Titans here, beat the struggling Raiders in Oakland and end the season with a convincing home win over the Bears!

That's 11-5. If we do that I'll buy y'alls dinner at Taste of Texas!
 
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According to your theory, if we're so much better then we should literally stomp the Bengals this week, (and we should have had a "crushing" victory over the Lions last week), go to Minnesota and beat the struggling Vikings, come home and beat the Ravens, go to Indy and finish the job against the Colts, go to Cleveland and whip the struggling Browns, beat the Jags here, lose a close one in Green Bay, stick it to the Titans here, beat the struggling Raiders in Oakland and end the season with a convincing home win over the Bears!

That's 11-5. If we do that I'll buy y'alls dinner at Taste of Texas!
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If we can do that, I'll pitch in for the feast!
 
maddogmrb said:
Barrett & Dale,

I think most everyone acknowledges that we are better than in the Capers days but, we also feel that we are not as good as we should be by now under Kubiak/Smith/Smith. We certainly are not as good as you guys are making us out to be.

To say that we're SO MUCH better because our offense moves up and down the field may not be totally accurate because most everybody's offense is moving up and down the field nowadays. I mean THE BEARS scored over 40 points this past weekend! Defenses are weaker in the NFL right now and so offenses are looking better than they really are.

According to your theory, if we're so much better then we should literally stomp the Bengals this week, (and we should have had a "crushing" victory over the Lions last week), go to Minnesota and beat the struggling Vikings, come home and beat the Ravens, go to Indy and finish the job against the Colts, go to Cleveland and whip the struggling Browns, beat the Jags here, lose a close one in Green Bay, stick it to the Titans here, beat the struggling Raiders in Oakland and end the season with a convincing home win over the Bears!
That's 11-5. If we do that I'll buy y'alls dinner at Taste of Texas!
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See, now you're talking some sense!...

Seriously, that is largely the point... We should beat up Cincy. We should've stomped Detroit. We should definitely beat Jacksonville at home on Monday night. I expect a win at Minnesota.

Again, though, you confuse the point. We are no longer at a deficit in talent or coaching with the top half of the NFL. Of course this team will sometimes disappoint. It's still young and learning to win. However, I can go to the game on Sunday and know that if my team plays well, they'll almost certainly win. That's never been the case here before. And, I also know that a 6 or 7 game win streak is a possibility. And that's new and fun. We could finish 11-5. I would bet on 9-7, but I'm a little more cynical than my buddy Barrett.
 
maddogmrb said:
Barrett & Dale,

I think most everyone acknowledges that we are better than in the Capers days but, we also feel that we are not as good as we should be by now under Kubiak/Smith/Smith. We certainly are not as good as you guys are making us out to be.

To say that we're SO MUCH better because our offense moves up and down the field may not be totally accurate because most everybody's offense is moving up and down the field nowadays. I mean THE BEARS scored over 40 points this past weekend! Defenses are weaker in the NFL right now and so offenses are looking better than they really are.

According to your theory, if we're so much better then we should literally stomp the Bengals this week, (and we should have had a "crushing" victory over the Lions last week), go to Minnesota and beat the struggling Vikings, come home and beat the Ravens, go to Indy and finish the job against the Colts, go to Cleveland and whip the struggling Browns, beat the Jags here, lose a close one in Green Bay, stick it to the Titans here, beat the struggling Raiders in Oakland and end the season with a convincing home win over the Bears!

That's 11-5. If we do that I'll buy y'alls dinner at Taste of Texas!
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Thats exactly what I'm getting at. When in our history have we ever been in a situation where that was even entertaining to think about? Much less a distinct possibility. There is no doubt in my mind that this team has good tools on both sides of the ball to win football games. Are all the holes filled? No. Are we playing consistently as well as we should be or are capable of? No. But we have good talent and good coaching (for the most part) and despite the fact that nobody comes to the games, a pretty good home field advantage. We're in a position to take it to another level if we continue on the path that we're on. But there is no doubt that we are already on a whole other level than we've ever been before as a franchise.

Consistency is our biggest nemesis right now. GO look at the tape.

Go Texans.
 
I love the enthusiasm and won't disagree with the distinction that we do have the talent to arguably win every game we play.

I think most of the disagreement on this thread regarding this theory is that there is a huge difference between arguably being able to win games like the Titans, Jaguars and Colts game - and actually getting it done.

I tend to agree. Until we can actually win those games, we haven't turned any corners. A loss, is a loss, is a loss...whether it was a hard fought, close one or we just get blown out. If we win less than 7 games this season, people aren't (and should not) give the front office or coaching staff a break because we "could" have one those games...or that we "almost" won.

Sure, having the talent is progress. That progress is small compared to the progress that a team needs to have win close games...or even close out games that we are winning - and arguably having the talent and NOT being able to show that progress should indicate major weaknesses of another sort.
 
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