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Do you think Kubiak should be "off the hook" because of Sundays win ?

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nunusguy

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I certainly don't ! We lost 2 weeks ago because in spite of outplaying the
Colts we made fatal mistakes at the end of the game which cost us what should have been a victory, really a rather easy victory. The same thing happened Sunday. We outplayed our opponent again but made more mistakes than he did, but somehow overcame the mistakes that day thanks in large part to the efforts and talent at the end of the game on a single play by a premiere NFL playmaker.
And have you figured out yet what happened in Pittsburg ? You may say get over it, but lets not pass up the opportunity to learn from our mistakes.
Bob McNair are you listeneing ? I dunno, but how does a coach talk all training camp about his team being playoff caliber then have them so underprepared to play a game like that in the season opener ?
These mistakes are on the coach and his staff. That would be one Mr. Kubiak.
And this isn't Kubiaks rookie season as an NFL coach. He is now in his third year as an NFL HC. And prior to being a HC he was the OC in Denver for years & years. Just how steep is the learning curve for Gary ?
This situation reminds me of "The Peter Principle", and makes me wonder if Kubiak wasn't right at the margin in his job with the Broncos ?
 
No more than I think he should have been "on the hook" before the game.

That probably doesn't make sense, but let me see if I can explain how I feel about this better. Bear with me, as I am only on my second cup of coffee. Also, I am not attacking the OP on this, the post just hit a sore spot wrong this morning.

It is amazing to me how knee jerk some of us are (as I have my knee jerk reaction to this post). I understand how impatient some have become to make the playoffs and become relevant as a football team, and believe me, I would love to have my team kick butt every Sunday.

Nothing is going to happen with Kubiak's job this season, so we need to give the season a chance to play out before calling for his head or heaping praises on him for a win. Think about what the Giants fans were saying at this point last season. And after last night's stinker, their fans are calling for Eli to be traded or benched for Carr. LOL. Sometimes, I wish posters here would spend a second thinking about what a visiting fan would see when they read our posts before posting.

What I have seen this season is steady improvement. Granted, the Pittsburgh game was a total stinker. But good things happened in the other games and we did what I did not expect us to be able to pull out - a TD drive with under 2 min left in the game. Was it ugly, yes!!! But it worked. So, I for one, plan on being patient and seeing how the season developes as a whole before calling for anyone's head or before canonizing anyone.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
What I have seen this season is steady improvement. Granted, the Pittsburgh game was a total stinker. But good things happened in the other games and we did what I did not expect us to be able to pull out - a TD drive with under 2 min left in the game. Was it ugly, yes!!! But it worked. So, I for one, plan on being patient and seeing how the season developes as a whole before calling for anyone's head or before canonizing anyone.
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Well, I agree but this is where we should have been 5 years ago, not today. And it is where we were last year and we should be past this stage by now.
 
nunusguy said:
We outplayed our opponent again but made more mistakes than he did, but somehow overcame the mistakes that day thanks in large part to the efforts and talent at the end of the game on a single play by a premiere NFL playmaker.
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I assume you are talking about AJ and not MS?
 
IMO Kubiak is not even close to the hook yet. The way I see it he took over a team in shambles, with so many wrongs that I personally am amazed that we are already, after 2 years, able to be competetive in alot of our games. What Kubiak needs is experience as a HC, and that may take many years. Personally I'll rather have him gain his experience with us than going out to get another coach who 'brings his own system and player preferences'. I believe that consistancy in an organization is of utmost importance, and that 'changing horses' too often will ultimately be detrimental to a team, something that especially European soccer-teams seem oblivious to.
 
from kubiak's signing to sunday we've replaced 19 of our 22 starters. we've had far and away our best drafts of our franchise, hell outside of pitts, AJ, and dunta we've had our ONLY drafts (we're only carrying over 8 players from the previous team). we're currently the 5th ranked offense (wait, that's not possible, we've played three of the top 10 defenses already!). we have two probowlers on defense that top out at 24 years old. we've turned over 90% of the roster in the last 2.3 years, while dumping salaries in the tens of millions. we're at the bottom of the league in penalties. holy crap, if you give that guy 2 more seasons he might build us one heck of a team ... fire the bastard before he gives houston fans hope!!!!

raise hell on the defensive playcalling. ***** about time management. pick out playcalls that were wrong from the get-go (naked boot towards porter - horrid call). kubiak doesnt call slant 84 rosencopter. he doesnt confuse routes to send a crossing pattern of receivers into eachother's laps. he damn sure doesnt run onto the field to block for our rookie. he plays the game and the damndest thing is our young'ns have stepped up because they've been coached extremely well ... it's fluke that the vets are actually the ones who have turned what could be a winning season to this point into an exceptionally slow start (your premiere player fumbling at the 7 yard line?).

if that's your post, see if al davis is interested in buying the texans, we could have a new coach every 3 weeks.

i'm drinking and will take the negative rep, i dont want to be a team that folds every 2 seasons, especially with the progress we've made.

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I do not recall any team in the NFL being perfect for 60 minutes this past weekend.

Kubiak is still in development, as his staff. We found a way to win last week against the team that beat both AFC Championship participants in successive weeks.

I would say he is off the hook with another must win game this week.
 
No one should be "off the hook" from Sundays game. From Kubiak to the players to the assistant coaches. It's a step in the right direction, certainly, but enough to secure jobs? No.
 
Scooter said:
i'm drinking and will take the negative rep, i dont want to be a team that folds every 2 seasons, especially with the progress we've made.

see sig lol
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In Denmark we have a saying that you'll hear the truth from children and drunk people.

Keep it coming! :)
 
maddogmrb said:
I assume you are talking about AJ and not MS?
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Absolutely I was referring to AJ.
OK, be honest with yourselfs everyone and ask yourself this question ?
The Texans end up with a record like 3-13 or 4-12 this year. Then you totally block out from your thought-process that Kubiak is a local who also played HS & college ball in the area, but instead is from a different region of the country.
Better yet, pretend that McNair hired Cam Cameron, an assistant at the time with the Chargers, 'back in 2006 and not Kubiak because as I recall he actually interviewed Cameron back then before he offered the job to Kubiak ?
So in that scenario I ask you, would you fire Coach Cameron ?
 
Are you saying that because of this one win... if he loses 10 in a row its going to save him or something?? See how it doesnt really make sense right now? But this one win does save the long term blue print we are working on for now which is yet to be completed not to mention we have one of the youngest teams in the league. Too much ball to be played.
 
nunusguy said:
Absolutely I was referring to AJ.
OK, be honest with yourselfs everyone and ask yourself this question ?
The Texans end up with a record like 3-13 or 4-12 this year. Then you totally block out from your thought-process that Kubiak is a local who also played HS & college ball in the area, but instead is from a different region of the country.
Better yet, pretend that McNair hired Cam Cameron, an assistant at the time with the Chargers, 'back in 2006 and not Kubiak because as I recall he actually interviewed Cameron back then before he offered the job to Kubiak ?
So in that scenario I ask you, would you fire Coach Cameron ?
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If we end up with a 3-13 or 4-12 record, I will agree with you that Kubiak's job performance needs to be reviewed.

Now, do the reverse and be honest yourself. If we turn it around and end up 9-7 or 10-6, will you support Kubiak?

I am trying to point out that what ifs are premature at this point.
 
nunusguy said:
Absolutely I was referring to AJ.
OK, be honest with yourselfs everyone and ask yourself this question ?
The Texans end up with a record like 3-13 or 4-12 this year. Then you totally block out from your thought-process that Kubiak is a local who also played HS & college ball in the area, but instead is from a different region of the country.
Better yet, pretend that McNair hired Cam Cameron, an assistant at the time with the Chargers, 'back in 2006 and not Kubiak because as I recall he actually interviewed Cameron back then before he offered the job to Kubiak ?
So in that scenario I ask you, would you fire Coach Cameron ?
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You are presuming that the arguments presented here are based on local support? I'm not from Houston, Texas or even the USA. If we indeed end up with a 3-13 or 4-12 season, then I'll try to analyze the reason for this and state my suggestion for changes at that time. If that involves ruffin' up Kubiak, then that's what will happen.
 
Texan_Bill said:
No one should be "off the hook" from Sundays game. From Kubiak to the players to the assistant coaches. It's a step in the right direction, certainly, but enough to secure jobs? No.
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I agree. KT said, no one is perfect..agreed...BUT they keep making the same mistakes and turnovers and at some point, if it continues, you have to wonder where the coaching is coming from. In the NFL these days I think you are always on the hot seat.
 
Malloy said:
Personally I'll rather have him gain his experience with us than going out to get another coach who 'brings his own system and player preferences'. I believe that consistancy in an organization is of utmost importance, and that 'changing horses' too often will ultimately be detrimental to a team, something that especially European soccer-teams seem oblivious to.
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True. We only need to look at our next opponent to see how that has worked for them.
 
Texan_Bill said:
No one should be "off the hook" from Sundays game. From Kubiak to the players to the assistant coaches. It's a step in the right direction, certainly, but enough to secure jobs? No.
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no truer words have been spoken. definitely a step in the right direction amidst much adversity (the early picks, the wilson fumble, the aj fumble, etc.) and that counts for something in my book. its all about winning. winning cures everything. keep winning and competing and everyone keeps their job.
 
what hook? what coach are you going to bring in that will do more in the same direction? who's going to draft better and produce? we have bookends, a runningback, a full receiving core, a loathed but solid pair of quarterbacks, a stud fullback, THE premiere defensive end, the future MLB, a complimentary OLB, depth at every position, and if given time quite possibly the next load of a DT paired with the youngest slasher DT. who do you bring in to build that? who coaches that offense better?

fire kubiak, put him on the hot seat, set the hook. who's on your mind? surely folks arent firing off statements like that without foresight.
 
We could just as easy be 3-2 instead of 1-4 if a coin flip had gone our way (Jags) and Rosencopter hadn't launched (Colts).

Nobody is guaranteed a job in the NFL, but we still have a lot of football left to play. I'm hoping that this team continues to play hardnose football and gets back on track. If we can get to .500 by the midway point, this season has a chance at success. The next three teams are beatable. We just have to do it.
 
If the Texans would have come out flat with alot of quit in them ... then I think Kubiak would get more attention . They screwed up and fought back which makes me think the team still wants to play for Kubiak .
 
With Capers, it was easy to see that he wasn't in harmony with his own staff, the players quit on him, and there was no player development.

With Kubiak, all anyone can point to are a few in-game management decisions that honestly wouldn't freakin' matter if the players would just play. Kubiak's offensive gameplan is second to none. I'm as frustrated with his mismanagement of timeouts as much as anyone, but there's no way he deserves to be fired. We have the best offense we've ever had and we have one of the top offenses in the NFL. The only reason we aren't one of the top scoring defenses is because the players, not the coaches, keep giving the ball back to the other team.

Our defensive gameplan is a problem, IMO, but it's hard to sort out exactly how much of one it is because many of our defensive players just aren't good. If the defense finishes in the bottom 1/4 of the league again, and Kubiak sticks with Smith again, then we can start talking firing.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
If the Texans would have come out flat with alot of quit in them ... then I think Kubiak would get more attention . They screwed up and fought back which makes me think the team still wants to play for Kubiak .
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they did come out flat...again. we were down two possessions before we had done diddly. that is a kubiak staple and par for the course for his teams. come out flat and go down 10-17 points before you even realize the game started. you can't consistently win with that as your team's calling card.

i still think they will only manage 4 or 5 wins and if that is the case, Kubiak and Richard Smith must go. just about any objective NFL fan realizes that Kubiak and Smith are in over their heads. I am sick of getting outcoached on a weekly basis. How many high school plays are going to burn us before we realize that the coaching style is to fault.

i hope kubiak is our coach next year but only if we can achieve at least 7-9. anything less than that is a fail and he deserves to go in that case.

the schedule does get easier but don't be surprised if one or more of those 'easy' teams beats us. after all, their fans are saying the same thing about us.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
they did come out flat...again. we were down two possessions before we had done diddly. that is a kubiak staple and par for the course for his teams. come out flat and go down 10-17 points before you even realize the game started. you can't consistently win with that as your team's calling card.
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Specifically, what do you think Kubiak is doing or not doing to have his teams come out flat? What do you think he should change?

Personally, I think we have a turnover problem from one position. I see the line doing as well at the beginning of the game as they do at any point in the game. I see AJ, Daniels, Walter, Slaton, etc. all doing as well at the beginning of the game as they do at any point in the game. I really only see one player coming out "flat" and that's Matt Schaub.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
If we end up with a 3-13 or 4-12 record, I will agree with you that Kubiak's job performance needs to be reviewed.

Now, do the reverse and be honest yourself. If we turn it around and end up 9-7 or 10-6, will you support Kubiak?

I am trying to point out that what ifs are premature at this point.
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I think 9 or 10 wins is asking too much. It would be a hell of a ride but if we can manage 7-8 wins that would be a great finish to the season. Not a great season but we can't go back in time and not start 0-4.
 
eriadoc said:
Specifically, what do you think Kubiak is doing or not doing to have his teams come out flat? What do you think he should change?

Personally, I think we have a turnover problem from one position. I see the line doing as well at the beginning of the game as they do at any point in the game. I see AJ, Daniels, Walter, Slaton, etc. all doing as well at the beginning of the game as they do at any point in the game. I really only see one player coming out "flat" and that's Matt Schaub.
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both sides of the ball have come out flat consistently. there is nothing kubiak can change. he is who he is. he hasn't done a good job motivating and inspiring our team. he has done a good job making our offense serviceable albeit turnover-prone, but he fails in the head coaching department. his job is to get his team ready to play and he sucks at that, his other job is to throw a flag for replay review and to decide to punt, go for it, or kick field goal. he has definitely had troubles in those departments as well. His other job is to assemble a quality coaching staff around him. The fact that the best Kubiak can do for a DC is Richard Smith is indicting in and of itself.

so what has Kubiak done that makes him a good head coach worth retaining? if he isn't the guy to help us win today, why keep him around? to save money? to save face? what has he done to show you he is worthy.
 
they did come out flat...again. we were down two possessions before we had done diddly. that is a kubiak staple and par for the course for his teams. come out flat and go down 10-17 points before you even realize the game started. you can't consistently win with that as your team's calling card.
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I thought that the Texans played decent at first . They screwed up after each turnover IIRC . At 14-3 ... I was expecting them to fold up their tent but they did'nt and Schaub settled in a bit .

If my memory is right Lawrence Taylor made Bill Parcells and not by all the sacks . While Parcells was learning the ropes the Giants were losing and Taylor told his teamates that if they fire Parcells ... the owner is going to bring in a hardass and their not going to like it so they better start winning .
 
Second Honeymoon said:
so what has Kubiak done that makes him a good head coach worth retaining? if he isn't the guy to help us win today, why keep him around? to save money? to save face? what has he done to show you he is worthy.
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I think you're holding the coach responsible for the players' shortcomings. There are certain aspects that the coach should be responsible for, but the players just failing to execute the game plan is on the players.

To answer your question, though: As head of football operations, Kubiak has drafted well, for starters. He's developed the players well since they've been here. He's turned our offense into one of the best in the NFL - far beyond "serviceable" as you label it - top 5 in the NFL, actually. If you listen to interviews with players, there's no quit in them and they want to play for Kubiak. Since you're concerned about his preparation of the team, how about the fact that we are one the league's least penalized teams? That has always been considered to be directly on the coaching staff, and ours have kept our players' heads on straight.

Defensively, we have issues, specifically Richard Smith's game plan - I agree with you there. But we also have talent deficiencies. What few good players we have on defense were identified and brought in by Kubiak, and to some extent, Rick Smith. It's obvious the defense is a work in progress, but that takes some time. There are plenty of teams that compete with a sub-par defense (NO pops to mind, pre-championship Colts teams, etc.), but take time to build the defense. If the defense finishes this year in the bottom 1/4 again, and Kubiak sticks with Richard Smith again, then yeah, I'm probably calling for his head. But we're not there yet.

Kubiak has made his share of mistakes, but a few in-game mistakes on time-outs and challenges don't outweigh the simple fact that the players are most directly responsible for the losses - specifically one position. If the players were playing their best and it was a tight game and the coach made a stupid decision that cost the game, then we'd be having a different discussion. That hasn't happened yet, because the players' poor play has trumped all.

The one person that deserves to be fired right now more than anyone is the QB (whichever). Unfortunately, that's not realistic.
 
I don't think he should be let go, as I said earlier, but people sure seem to gloss huge, constant mistakes in clock management, penalties, challenges and seemingly getting players to stop making stupid turnovers. Until corrected they all lead to coaching. People say its QB play..well wasn't being a QB guru part of his specialty, thus falling right in his lap?
 
Kubiak's seat should be extremely hot. He has made boneheaded coaching decisions and has not improved one bit since his first year. His use of challenges is laughable and his clock management skills are nonexistent. What the hell were we trying to do at the end of the first half?

Kubiak has made fatal errors in who he has chosen to QB this team. First, in thinking that the garbage we had in David Carr was a legit starting NFL QB and then overpaying for an extremely erratic Matt Schaub.

We don't seem to make in-game adjustments, our DC is terrible, our coach has a tough time with strategy (witness the confusion on the PAT/2 point conversion at the end of the game), etc. What does Kubiak bring to the table? He is in the bottom 5 of NFL head coaches IMO. Fire him and bring in a proven winner. Cowher or Schottenheimer would be great.
 
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HoustonFrog said:
I don't think he should be let go, as I said earlier, but people sure seem to gloss huge, constant mistakes in clock management, penalties, challenges and seemingly getting players to stop making stupid turnovers. Until corrected they all lead to coaching. People say its QB play..well wasn't being a QB guru part of his specialty, thus falling right in his lap?
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Sure. He's made every QB that's ever played for him better, to some degree or another. You can't coach away sheer stupidity or competitive spirit, though. Whichever you attribute Rosenfail's fumbles to, that's never going to get coached away by any coach, anywhere. Schaub chucking it into double coverage consistently is starting to look like no coach is ever going to be able to coach that away (but we'll see). In other words, there's only so much player performance you can pin on the coach. Penalties, incorrect routes, misdiagnosed blocking assignments, etc. - all these are things that coaches are responsible for. By way of contrast, Mario missing the tackle on the Brown TD - that's 100% on Mario.
 
Scooter said:
from kubiak's signing to sunday we've replaced 19 of our 22 starters. we've had far and away our best drafts of our franchise, hell outside of pitts, AJ, and dunta we've had our ONLY drafts (we're only carrying over 8 players from the previous team). we're currently the 5th ranked offense (wait, that's not possible, we've played three of the top 10 defenses already!). we have two probowlers on defense that top out at 24 years old. we've turned over 90% of the roster in the last 2.3 years, while dumping salaries in the tens of millions. we're at the bottom of the league in penalties. holy crap, if you give that guy 2 more seasons he might build us one heck of a team ... fire the bastard before he gives houston fans hope!!!

seriously. shut up. raise hell on the defensive playcalling. ***** about time management. pick out playcalls that were wrong from the get-go (naked boot towards porter - horrid call). kubiak doesnt call slant 84 rosencopter. he doesnt confuse routes to send a crossing pattern of receivers into eachother's laps. he damn sure doesnt run onto the field to block for our rookie. he plays the game and the damndest thing is our young'ns have stepped up because they've been coached extremely well ... it's fluke that the vets are actually the ones who have turned what could be a winning season to this point into an exceptionally slow start (your premiere player fumbling at the 7 yard line?).

if that's your post, see if al davis is interested in buying the texans, we could have a new coach every 3 weeks.

i'm drinking and will take the negative rep, i dont want to be a team that folds every 2 seasons, especially with the progress we've made.

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Damn, Scooter. This **** sounds too much like right!
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GlassHalfFull said:
No more than I think he should have been "on the hook" before the game.

That probably doesn't make sense, but let me see if I can explain how I feel about this better. Bear with me, as I am only on my second cup of coffee. Also, I am not attacking the OP on this, the post just hit a sore spot wrong this morning.

It is amazing to me how knee jerk some of us are (as I have my knee jerk reaction to this post). I understand how impatient some have become to make the playoffs and become relevant as a football team, and believe me, I would love to have my team kick butt every Sunday.

Nothing is going to happen with Kubiak's job this season, so we need to give the season a chance to play out before calling for his head or heaping praises on him for a win. Think about what the Giants fans were saying at this point last season. And after last night's stinker, their fans are calling for Eli to be traded or benched for Carr. LOL. Sometimes, I wish posters here would spend a second thinking about what a visiting fan would see when they read our posts before posting.

What I have seen this season is steady improvement. Granted, the Pittsburgh game was a total stinker. But good things happened in the other games and we did what I did not expect us to be able to pull out - a TD drive with under 2 min left in the game. Was it ugly, yes!!! But it worked. So, I for one, plan on being patient and seeing how the season developes as a whole before calling for anyone's head or before canonizing anyone.
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What, why would you call Houston fans knee jerk.....
 
nunusguy said:
Or if we had better coaching ?
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Point to a coaching call or series of calls that resulted in a loss and then explain how those calls had a greater impact on the loss than plays like Rosencopter. I'm genuinely interested in learning here - not trying to be contentious.

EDIT - I'll get you started. Richard Smith failing to adjust to the Matt Jones slant play in the Jags game. At some point, you have to drop someone into that route to force a run or something. Maybe zone blitz.
 
eriadoc said:
Sure. He's made every QB that's ever played for him better, to some degree or another. You can't coach away sheer stupidity or competitive spirit, though. Whichever you attribute Rosenfail's fumbles to, that's never going to get coached away by any coach, anywhere. Schaub chucking it into double coverage consistently is starting to look like no coach is ever going to be able to coach that away (but we'll see). In other words, there's only so much player performance you can pin on the coach. Penalties, incorrect routes, misdiagnosed blocking assignments, etc. - all these are things that coaches are responsible for. By way of contrast, Mario missing the tackle on the Brown TD - that's 100% on Mario.
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Oh, I agree, you can't coach talent. My point was that if you are claiming he can come in and coach up guys to be better and to keep their head on playing QB..ala Plummer compared to his days with the Cards...then that will be his calling card. If it doesn't happen people start to wonder. Add it to the penalties, time management, challenges, etc and it makes you think. Now for all of this to come to a head it would have to be a recurring problem. Some od the problems are recurring at this time. You can't overcome them every game. It makes winnable games losing games and that is when the seat gets hot after a season. As you said above, you also weigh the drafts, the improvement in the team as a whole, etc.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
I think 9 or 10 wins is asking too much. It would be a hell of a ride but if we can manage 7-8 wins that would be a great finish to the season. Not a great season but we can't go back in time and not start 0-4.
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Let's keep this in context. I was responding to this:

nunusguy said:
Absolutely I was referring to AJ.
OK, be honest with yourselfs everyone and ask yourself this question ?
The Texans end up with a record like 3-13 or 4-12 this year. Then you totally block out from your thought-process that Kubiak is a local who also played HS & college ball in the area, but instead is from a different region of the country.
Better yet, pretend that McNair hired Cam Cameron, an assistant at the time with the Chargers, 'back in 2006 and not Kubiak because as I recall he actually interviewed Cameron back then before he offered the job to Kubiak ?
So in that scenario I ask you, would you fire Coach Cameron ?
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GlassHalfFull said:
If we end up with a 3-13 or 4-12 record, I will agree with you that Kubiak's job performance needs to be reviewed.

Now, do the reverse and be honest yourself. If we turn it around and end up 9-7 or 10-6, will you support Kubiak?

I am trying to point out that what ifs are premature at this point.
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And I didn't get a reply from the OP. My contention is that people are posting these threads to pursue an agenda. If you are going to make up mythical 3-13 records and ask me to be honest, you should be willing to look at the flip side of the coin.
 
he is off the hook because I haven't worried about bank loans,deficit, or doing laundry for the last couple of days

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All I can say is I hope he grows as the team grows and I hope the team talent doesn't surpass his coaching talent (if that makes sense)

when he arrived, who was the leaders on this team? AJ on offense and Dunta on defense if I recall that was about it

I don't recall when he came in that we really had the veteran leadership that say capers had on defense when they had Glenn,Sharper,Coleman,Walker, etc on defense

and offense...well nothing


I am not making excuses but I am just saying Kubiak is learning as a coach and so is the team on the on the field.. with Mario and Demeco on the field hopefully their presense will be leadership on the field (and with d-rob and his fire that will help) on defense

offense.AJ is still there and maybe the offense learned something about Shaub this last weekend
 
I'm not someone who considered Kubiak on the hook.

I don't agree that the team has been coming out flat, only that Schaub started off shaky in the last game. The rest of the team looked good. Even Schaub was looking pretty good except for that one mistake he made with the uncalled shift.

I think the team is vastly improved over any Texan's team that we've had. Including the team last year and the 7-9 year under Capers. Even though we've started 1-4, I don't think we're going to end up with a losing record. It's a possibility that we do but I think we're too good a team. If we do end up with double digit losses, then McNair should consider making a change. But even then, I'd personally be patient and give Kubes another year.
 
Coaches have initiated more challenges at home. They have succeeded in a lower percentage of home challenges. Perhaps they take chances challenging calls at home because they feel more confident about winning those games.

Nolan isn't the only one with a particularly poor challenge record at home. I've got Romeo Crennel with an 0-13 challenge record at home, but 4-6 on the road. Gary Kubiak is 0-6 at home and 4-9 on the road. Jim Haslett is 1-11 at home, 3-6 on the road.
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4-15 on challenges ..yikes

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-2-278/Nolan-not-alone-in-losing-home-challenges.html
 
No. We should have won last week's game by a larger margin.

The jury is still out and the ladies and gentlemen of the jury will only pay attention to this year.

This year he has sucked.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
Let's keep this in context. I was responding to this:





And I didn't get a reply from the OP. My contention is that people are posting these threads to pursue an agenda. If you are going to make up mythical 3-13 records and ask me to be honest, you should be willing to look at the flip side of the coin.
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I understand but I'm thinking that of the three possible record ranges, 3-4 wins, 7-8 wins, and 9-10 wins the two most likely are 3-4 or 7-8. I do not see us winning 3 games but I think that route is much more likely than pulling off a 9 win season. Basically I'm saying the flip side is 7-8 wins.
 
Get a grip here folks. Coach's are always on the hot seat - it is the nature of the job...but

Kubiak isn't going anywhere unless we suck this year with no redeeming factors and suck next year also. The two games prior to Miami had redeeming factors even though we lost. The players are getting better. The games are fun to watch (until the end for two of them), they are exciting and there aren't hundreds of egregious calls/draft picks from Kubiak that would warrant him being fired.

Besides that, this season isn't even half way over - we have a long way to go and for all we know we could win every dratted game we have left - stranger things have happened....maybe. This team has always improved as the season progresses - give them a chance before you start changing everything again - which would just put us that much further behind from having to start all over one more time. Jeeze, there are so many new folks on the team, they haven't even had time to jell yet.

Having said that, these kinds of threads could be galvanizing to the team. They certainly have defended their two QBs against fan anger and played harder for Matt after the boos - maybe you guys should keep complaining - the players can just "show you good coaching." Now, that would be a good thing!
 
I think Kubiak has fallen into the old crony symbolism with DC Richard Smith. The defense could play so much better than it has, and yet Kubiak refuses to do anything about Richard Smith. Or is Smith only following orders? Whatever - something needs to go on that defense.
 
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