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CrosbyTexansFan

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Kubiak should have benched Sage after he tried to leap over 3 LB's like he was Elway or something. This was done after he held that ball out in the open during that QB sneak......in which case I'm SURE the coaches told him to not do dumb stuff like that anymore & protect the ball. And if the coaches did NOT tell him that, then that is just another reason to get rid of Kubiak. Kubiak has to own up to some of this fiasco........not protecting the football is unacceptable.......that is Kubiak's own words from when Carr was giving it up. When sage went haywire the 1st time, he should have been removed from the game. Kubiak should lose his job over this, so should Sage. Only action such as this would convince the rest of the team that protecting the football is job #1 for any team at ANY level. I imagine right now the team probably thinks protecting the football is the last thing they need to do.......after watching this fiasco.:jogger:
 
CrosbyTexansFan said:
Kubiak should have benched Sage after he tried to leap over 3 LB's like he was Elway or something. This was done after he held that ball out in the open during that QB sneak......in which case I'm SURE the coaches told him to not do dumb stuff like that anymore & protect the ball. And if the coaches did NOT tell him that, then that is just another reason to get rid of Kubiak. Kubiak has to own up to some of this fiasco........not protecting the football is unacceptable.......that is Kubiak's own words from when Carr was giving it up. When sage went haywire the 1st time, he should have been removed from the game. Kubiak should lose his job over this, so should Sage. Only action such as this would convince the rest of the team that protecting the football is job #1 for any team at ANY level. I imagine right now the team probably thinks protecting the football is the last thing they need to do.......after watching this fiasco.:jogger:
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he couldnt bench Sage, Matt had a tummy ache. I guess he could have put Daniels in.
 
I'm about as Pro-Kubiak as they come, and I have to put some of this loss on his playcalling.

No way we should have been doing anything but running the ball up into the pile at the end of the game.
 
Yeah!! Fire Kubiak!!!! What was he thinking not benching the only healthy QB on the sideline?

Start OD at quarterback!!!!
 
What better option did we have than Sage, seriously? He carried us to 27 unanswered points and then made a HUGE mistake. This game proved one thing and one thing only.... Sage is NOT our starter. He is and has been a backup for a reason.
 
Matt with a tummy ache is better than Sage with a brain ache......and Daniels has way better hands than sage. ANYTHING but Sage at that point!
 
CrosbyTexansFan said:
Matt with a tummy ache is better than Sage with a brain ache......and Daniels has way better hands than sage. ANYTHING but Sage at that point!
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Hindsight is 20/20, chief. If Sage had've responded to that fumble with a game-ending drive we would all be singing his praises. But, of course, that didn't happen.

A dose of perspective is a powerful thing.
 
CrosbyTexansFan said:
Matt with a tummy ache is better than Sage with a brain ache......and Daniels has way better hands than sage. ANYTHING but Sage at that point!
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Cracking on Sage for his bone-headed play when it mattered most is fair, but blaming Kubiak for not pulling him at that point is knee-jerk crap.
 
Wow, how funny it is. An hour and a half ago all of houston was saying "see I told you Sage was the anointed one". Now they are asking why he wasn't benched after that play. You have no one else to go to except sage. Kubiak did the right thing... you had to move the ball out of the shadow of your own goal line and hopefully put some points back on the board.


Funny how fickle fans are. I don't know how, if you were in the START Sage club you can now be in the "Fire Kubiak because he didn't pull our messiah out" club. We now know that maybe Kubes is a little smarter than we all are and was right to NOT start sage unless he had to. As for Schaub, he spent the night in the hospital. Wonder if maybe that's why he wasn't in the game at the end.

Mike
 
This is silly.

The ONLY person that needs to take the blame for this loss is Sage Rosenfels...NO ONE ELSE. Sage is the only guy that should take this loss today.
 
The bottom line is that the guy hasn't produced. I remember a lot of talk about him trying to rid the "culture of losing" after he got the job. Now it looks like he's created his own culture of losing.

There are other coaches (like Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton) who have turned things around and put teams in the playoffs in less than the amount of time that Kubiak has had. And it looks like Sparano might just be another one to add to that list.

Can anybody hook me up with a bookie in Houston? Maybe I could start finally making some money off the Texans instead of them making money off of me.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
What better option did we have than Sage, seriously? He carried us to 27 unanswered points and then made a HUGE mistake. This game proved one thing and one thing only.... Sage is NOT our starter. He is and has been a backup for a reason.
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Correction: Four huge mistakes.

One didn't cost us, but the other three combined caused us to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ugh.

On point, Kubes didn't make the brain farts that Sage did, but he put Sage in the situation three separate times which led to bad plays.

Up two scores, we should have run it three consecutive times and made them spend all of their time outs. Instead, we run twice and then try to get cute. If we punt and make them drive the length of the field, recover an on-side kick, and then drive again to get a field goal (all without any time outs), the worst we can do is go to OT. Brutal, brutal decision making by the head coach.

I haven't been this discouraged since we were on our way to getting the number one pick. By the way, Mario and the D-line had a whale of a game wasted. Fire Kubiak. Fire Richard Smith. Give this organization an enema.
 
Mailman said:
Cracking on Sage for his bone-headed play when it mattered most is fair, but blaming Kubiak for not pulling him at that point is knee-jerk crap.
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+1.

To that point, Sage had been playing good football (though he got lucky to not lose the ball stretching out at the goal line earlier). Few coaches want to bench their QB and completely deflate whatever remaining confidence they have.

The bottom line is that Sage hurt the team by trying to do too much. As much as that sucks, it's better than someone who costs you the game by not hustling or not caring. (Think Randy Moss with the Raiders here.) Yes, these were brain farts, and the final fumble was indicative of an inability to sense the pressure, but you don't bench a guy for one stupid decision -- especially one which was borne out by hustle and a willingness to sacrifice the body for a first down which likely ends the game.

I'm not "defending" Sage here so much as at least being willing to see his mistakes were mistakes of excessive hustle and willingness to sacrifice the body, and no decent coach would take a guy playing mostly good football for 55 minutes and bench him for one careless moment.
 
Maybe Kubiak should have kept getting Slaton the ball...

I guess they didn't do that in Denver circa 2003 so why should we do that now?
 
The1ApplePie said:
Maybe Kubiak should have kept getting Slaton the ball...

I guess they didn't do that in Denver circa 2003 so why should we do that now?
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I agree...after the onside kick just run it out...even if they stop you 3 times(which is unlikely) you'd still win the game...

but once again...Sage played GREAT until that point. Kubes probably thought he was beaming with confidence when he called it...Sage probably was beaming with confidence which is why he made that stupid dive.
 
Historyhorn said:
Correction: Four huge mistakes.

One didn't cost us, but the other three combined caused us to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ugh.

On point, Kubes didn't make the brain farts that Sage did, but he put Sage in the situation three separate times which led to bad plays.

Up two scores, we should have run it three consecutive times and made them spend all of their time outs. Instead, we run twice and then try to get cute. If we punt and make them drive the length of the field, recover an on-side kick, and then drive again to get a field goal (all without any time outs), the worst we can do is go to OT. Brutal, brutal decision making by the head coach.

I haven't been this discouraged since we were on our way to getting the number one pick. By the way, Mario and the D-line had a whale of a game wasted. Fire Kubiak. Fire Richard Smith. Give this organization an enema.
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His first fumble was on a naked bootleg, and it was a beautiful play. The problem was that Sage dove for the first instead of sliding and playing ball control.

The play calling in this game was fantastic on offense. Three turnovers by Rosenfels are where the blame should be placed. He failed us.

Kubiak did not lose us this game.
 
ziggy29 said:
+1.

To that point, Sage had been playing good football (though he got lucky to not lose the ball stretching out at the goal line earlier). Few coaches want to bench their QB and completely deflate whatever remaining confidence they have.

The bottom line is that Sage hurt the team by trying to do too much. As much as that sucks, it's better than someone who costs you the game by not hustling or not caring. (Think Randy Moss with the Raiders here.) Yes, these were brain farts, and the final fumble was indicative of an inability to sense the pressure, but you don't bench a guy for one stupid decision -- especially one which was borne out by hustle and a willingness to sacrifice the body for a first down which likely ends the game.

I'm not "defending" Sage here so much as at least being willing to see his mistakes were mistakes of excessive hustle and willingness to sacrifice the body, and no decent coach would take a guy playing mostly good football for 55 minutes and bench him for one careless moment.
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I wholeheartedly agree. He was just trying to make a play, get that first down and ice the game. I'm angry at Sage, but at the same time he's a Texan and I can't help but feel sympathy for him. Win as a team, lose as a team.
 
It's understandable to be upset witht he playcalling that put Sage in a position to make that 1st fumble, but I don't disagree with it. The naked bootleg was a perfectly viable option on 3rd down...if the pass isn't there the run should be. They were playing run the whole way, and were it not for Sage fumbling it would have likely been a 1st down. I found the playcalling to be great in this game, I don't understand what everyone's problem is.

Were it not for THREE turnovers by our QB we likely would have won this game by 17 points. Playcalling CANNOT overcome boneheaded moves by players fumbling the ball and throwing it to the other team to seal the loss.
 
TheIronDuke said:
How was Kubes supposed to know that RonsenFAILS forgot that taking care of the ball was somewhat important?
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He didn't, but you could avoid that disaster by running the ball instead of rolling your QB out to pass after he's already showed a penchant for not protecting the football.

I don't see any way Indy wins it outright with the time left on the clock and them having to get two scores and no time outs left. We're up 10 points with 3:54 left to play at their 40. Run the damn ball. Make them use the final time out. Punt. They get the ball with 3:30 left to play and 80 yards or more to go.

They have to get the on-side kick or we run out the clock.

That my friends puts things squarely on Kubiak. Fire his butt.
 
Historyhorn said:
He didn't, but you could avoid that disaster by running the ball instead of rolling your QB out to pass after he's already showed a penchant for not protecting the football.

I don't see any way Indy wins it outright with the time left on the clock and them having to get two scores and no time outs left. We're up 10 points with 3:54 left to play at their 40. Run the damn ball. Make them use the final time out. Punt. They get the ball with 3:30 left to play and 80 yards or mo to go.

They have to get the on-side kick or we run out the clock.

That my friends puts things squarely on Kubiak. Fire his butt.
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The bootleg was a great play and it would have been just fine is Sage had've just tucked it and hit the turf.

It is moronic, IMO, to blame Kubiak for this. It's so far of a reach that I question your judgment on this matter entirely.
 
Mailman said:
That play call was brilliant. As always, the execution failed at the worst time.
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Sage got hit four yards shy of the first down. Brilliant would have been a TD. Great would have been a 1st down. Good enough to win the game would have been Green or Slaton up the gut.
 
Historyhorn said:
Sage got hit four yards shy of the first down. Brilliant would have been a TD. Great would have been a 1st down. Good enough to win the game would have been Green or Slaton up the gut.
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No he didn't. He got hit about a yard shy of it, which is why he launched himself in the air. All he had to do was slide and let Turk punt or Brown attempt the FG.
 
The bottom line is that we were losers when he got hired and we're still losers today. Most other owners would have given the guy the hook by now.
 
The1ApplePie said:
How much would it take to get Cowher out of retirement?
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TexansLucky13 said:
The bootleg was a great play and it would have been just fine is Sage had've just tucked it and hit the turf.

It is moronic, IMO, to blame Kubiak for this. It's so far of a reach that I question your judgment on this matter entirely.
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A great play call is one that catches the D off guard and fools them while you gash them for huge yards. This call didn't even garner enough to get a first down even if Sage had held onto the ball.

We tried to get cute when ugly and safe WINS the damn game. That is the epitome of bad play-calling.
 
I love how the Falcons and Dolphins look like they never had a losing season last year and their first year coaches look like football gods
 
Historyhorn said:
Sage got hit four yards shy of the first down. Brilliant would have been a TD. Great would have been a 1st down. Good enough to win the game would have been Green or Slaton up the gut.
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Good enough would have been Sage sliding and not taking the chance. This is solely on his shoulders. Huge mistake.
 
Historyhorn said:
A great play call is one that catches the D off guard and fools them while you gash them for huge yards. This call didn't even garner enough to get a first down even if Sage had held onto the ball.

We tried to get cute when ugly and safe WINS the damn game. That is the epitome of bad play-calling.
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It was only a bad play because he didn't take care of the football! If he had've just slid everything would have been alright.

Twisting this to make it Kubiak's fault is pretty pathetic.
 
Mailman said:
No he didn't. He got hit about a yard shy of it, which is why he launched himself in the air. All he had to do was slide and let Turk punt or Brown attempt the FG.
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He landed about a yard shy of the first down. Unfortunately the ball did too. In someone else's hands. He leaped from a good four yards back because he didn't have it. In spite of fooling everyone with such a "great" playcall. Brilliant, Great, or other superlative adjectives aren't how that call should be labeled.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
It was only a bad play because he didn't take care of the football! If he had've just slid everything would have been alright.

Twisting this to make it Kubiak's fault is pretty pathetic.
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I need to take you to Vegas with the casinos giving me a cut, because you don't understand odds and risk. You'd bet the house on box cars at the Craps table.

Yes. Had Sage slid, we could have punted and won the game. But why take the risk when you can take the safe play and WIN the game without getting cute.
 
Historyhorn said:
A great play call is one that catches the D off guard and fools them while you gash them for huge yards. This call didn't even garner enough to get a first down even if Sage had held onto the ball.

We tried to get cute when ugly and safe WINS the damn game. That is the epitome of bad play-calling.
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What could be safer than a quarterback with plenty of room to run and the option to throw it down the field? What could be safer than putting your quarterback in position to simply slide down if he has to?

Running Slaton or Green up the gut risks a turnover, too. Or do you just assume the defensive players won't be trying to rip it out? Let's say he did make that run call and the ball was ripped loose. I suspect you'd blame Kubiak for that, too.
 
This is one dumb ass thread!

Team was handing Manning and the Colts an Ass whipping for 55 minutes and Sage screw the pooch trying to do to much. Schaub was sick so you send Sage back out there with ball control on his mind like they did and he screwed the pooch again! He is not fast enough to run away from pursuit with the ball at his hip!


This was a great called game for the most part, runs and passes were equally distributed and and Green was getting some good 5-8 yd gains in the 3rd quarter to burn the clock.

I hate to ever put the blame on one guys but the two turn overs by Sage and the timing of those turn overs was to much to overcome. The int with 50 seconds left sucked but if AJ had not been interfered with at the line he would have been on postion.


Its just a sh!!ty feeling to have a good game get screwed away like that, I am to crushed to even be madd or embarressed just F-in crushed!
 
Mailman said:
What could be safer than a quarterback with plenty of room to run and the option to throw it down the field? What could be safer than putting your quarterback in position to simply slide down if he has to?

Running Slaton or Green up the gut risks a turnover, too. Or do you just assume the defensive players won't be trying to rip it out? Let's say he did make that run call and the ball was ripped loose. I suspect you'd blame Kubiak for that, too.
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Think it goes for a TD from the interior line? I didn't think so.

If they run it up the gut and recover a fumble, that's football. This other thing is errors on the player combined with a HC not taking the safe route.

I remember a HC who used to do the same thing. His name was Makovic. He loved to be cute. Sometimes it works (Steelers Roll Left in the Big XII Championship Game against Nebraska). Other times (more often) it bites you in the butt big time and you lose games you should win.
 
Historyhorn said:
I need to take you to Vegas with the casinos giving me a cut, because you don't understand odds and risk. You'd bet the house on box cars at the Craps table.

Yes. Had Sage slid, we could have punted and won the game. But why take the risk when you can take the safe play and WIN the game without getting cute.
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So two runs get stuffed, yet you think the one on 3rd down would've magically worked for the 1st? If not, how is it any different than the bootleg if Sage had've slid??

You can't go back to the playcall on this... it was working just fine until Sage screwed it up.
 
it was great playcalling. incase the hindsighters forgot who we were playing, running 50 seconds off of the clock is wonderful but means little in the grand scheme when peyton can score in 30 seconds. after running nowhere on consecutive plays we perfectly set up play action bootleg where sage could either safely run and slide in space or have a receiver available for a first down to keep the game moving and peyton on the sidelines.

a coach has to trust his players to play smart. i'm as pissed off as anyone but the knee-jerk on the forums calling for somebody's head every 30 seconds and miss placing blame is much more annoying for me than watching the texans give away games.

losing sucks, losing and then reading this crap is more than i care to be a part of.
 
Scooter said:
it was great playcalling. incase the hindsighters forgot who we were playing, running 50 seconds off of the clock is wonderful but means little in the grand scheme when peyton can score in 30 seconds. after running nowhere on consecutive plays we perfectly set up play action bootleg where sage could either safely run and slide in space or have a receiver available for a first down to keep the game moving and peyton on the sidelines.

a coach has to trust his players to play smart. i'm as pissed off as anyone but the knee-jerk on the forums calling for somebody's head every 30 seconds and miss placing blame is much more annoying for me than watching the texans give away games.

losing sucks, losing and then reading this crap is more than i care to be a part of.
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Great post. Historyhorn, you should take notes.
 
Historyhorn said:
He landed about a yard shy of the first down. Unfortunately the ball did too. In someone else's hands. He leaped from a good four yards back because he didn't have it. In spite of fooling everyone with such a "great" playcall. Brilliant, Great, or other superlative adjectives aren't how that call should be labeled.
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I watched the replay again. I was wrong about where he was when the defenders contacted him. Regardless, he had other options. He could've either tucked the ball and slid down OR he could've run left, away from the defenders. For some inexplicable reason Sage decided to do his worst Knowshon Moreno impression. I'm pretty sure that's not part of the play.
 
Scooter said:
it was great playcalling. incase the hindsighters forgot who we were playing, running 50 seconds off of the clock is wonderful but means little in the grand scheme when peyton can score in 30 seconds. after running nowhere on consecutive plays we perfectly set up play action bootleg where sage could either safely run and slide in space or have a receiver available for a first down to keep the game moving and peyton on the sidelines.

a coach has to trust his players to play smart. i'm as pissed off as anyone but the knee-jerk on the forums calling for somebody's head every 30 seconds and miss placing blame is much more annoying for me than watching the texans give away games.

losing sucks, losing and then reading this crap is more than i care to be a part of.
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Exactly.

I'm curious what the coverage looked like downfield on that play as the replay doesn't show it. Sage may have had an opening but decided to play it safe and run only to forget why he was running in the first place.
 
Look. No-one is disputing the boneheaded play by Sage. And I hate getting into it with other Texan fans. I get enough crap from Cowboy fans. Maybe too many years coaching JH and HS football means I try to take the safe way.

When you work with kids, you expect them to try to make a play...even if it isn't the smart thing to do. When you have the game won, you try to take as much potential for BIG bad plays out if you can.

I'm just pissed, frustrated, & discouraged.
 
Mailman said:
Exactly.

I'm curious what the coverage looked like downfield on that play as the replay doesn't show it. Sage may have had an opening but decided to play it safe and run only to forget why he was running in the first place.
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who knows what he was thinking. I'm still trying to figure out what he was thinking.

Only thing I can think of is he thought about putting the cherry on top and making a cool dive over 3 LBs to get on Sportscenter.
 
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