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brickman

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He's the man in charge and it all starts at the top. Bad decisions, poor game plans, and players that lack heart. I'm sorry, you may not agree, but he needs to go (it's just my opinion, so don't jump all over me). He has done very little to turn it around. We were embarassed by Pittsburgh and really made way too many mistakes against Tennessee. Let's face it .... even if we all hate it ..... we are the Titans B******s (especialy Haynesworth). But at least we have squeaky clean players .... we'd be going to the Super Bowl every year if we played in the Choir league instead of the NFL. We need some spark and that starts at the top with a coach who's got some balls.
Look at when Slayton got buried after the whistle blew and Walters (a wide receiver) was the only one to come over, shove somebody and let them know that he's not going to stand for it. It's called toughness and you don't need thugs for that, you just need character (guts). Our big, tough linemen did nothing but watch. Way to support your teammates. They talk the talk, but they sure are not walking the walk. This team needs a shakeup, and unless it starts at the top, it isn't going to get any better. Great teams have a swagger ... this team doesn't even have a shimmy shake.
 
I have to agree with you about the lack of swagger.

The question that follows is who would you like to see as the Head Coach then?

Marty Schottenheimer?
 
BattleRedToro said:
I have to agree with you about the lack of swagger.

The question that follows is who would you like to see as the Head Coach then?

Marty Schottenheimer?
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At least Marty's teams won. But to answer your question, how about Bill Cowher. The owner has got the $$$$$, use it where you can spend it without any restrictions. This alone would improve the team tremendously.
 
We've played two games in the regular season and are coming off our best record in our short history. Talk about pre-mature.......geez
 
what happened to the chicken little thread? This is a textbook example. Kubiak was our savior a year ago, now he's our main goat. Go figure
 
The way Kubiak carries himself is not the problem. Kubiak has plenty "swag" about himself.

I listen to Kubiak get on the radio and take on callers who really bring it to him sometimes...He stands in there and takes the punches and never really falters....I think he has plenty confidence and I think it shows when he speaks and how he carries himself....

I don't think his veteran players have that in them though and I think that's the problem...The veterans don't have it so you're left with a bunch a bunch of young guys who still haven't figured everything out trying to lead the way...The older vets on the defense are below average as a whole..The young guys have talent...Where are the veterans flying around leading the mad charge? What good defense is lead by a bunch of young guys ?

We're young and our vets over their play uninspiring football. That's the problem. The entire team from the coaches on down need to do a better job at coming into the game pissed off from the first whistle blow.
 
2-14 to 8-8 in two years. It's not like we're losing to bad teams at home. We're losing to top ten teams on the road, albeit badly. There's a lot of things I like to see different, yes, but Cowher himself is an example of why you don't give up on head coaches as long as they aren't looking bad for a long time. The least we can do is wait until next offseason, and I believe our attitudes will be different about Kubiak by then. This team should look really good through mid-season, and finish well enough too. We've likely just played our two toughest games of the year, although that remains to be seen. Kubiak is not bungling things as bad as it looks right now. The worst part of all of this is that Schaub is looking more and more like a mistake. Not only is he looking like a career backup, but a worse one that the one we already had.
 
HJam72 said:
2-14 to 8-8 in two years. It's not like we're losing to bad teams at home. We're losing to top ten teams on the road, albeit badly. There's a lot of things I like to see different, yes, but Cowher himself is an example of why you don't give up on head coaches as long as they aren't looking bad for a long time. The least we can do is wait until next offseason, and I believe our attitudes will be different about Kubiak by then. This team should look really good through mid-season, and finish well enough too. We've likely just played our two toughest games of the year, although that remains to be seen. Kubiak is not bungling things as bad as it looks right now. The worst part of all of this is that Schaub is looking more and more like a mistake. Not only is he looking like a career backup, but a worse one that the one we already had.
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Kaiser Toro said:
Beat the Jags and Colts and this goes away. No more "just be competitive" BS in year 3.
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Or maybe win this years Super Bowl ? Honestly I'm only half-joking, because at this point I'm starting to feel like winning both those games is about as likely as winning the next SB.
This is on Kubiak. This is his QB. This is supposed to be his forte, evaluating talent and particular QB talent. This is the guy who spent time playing with and/or coaching Elway and Steve Young. Then there's also the matter about all of the cap resurces & high picks used on DLine personnel, the unit which is arguably the poorest performing component of any unit on either side of the ball. I mean yikes - still no pass rush !
 
Why do I keep seeing people say over and over that we were beaten by 2 top tier teams. The only time the Steelers looked good out of the 3 games they have played so far was against us. The Titans always play good defense and they seem to have the Texans number. They are 3-0 but I think Indy will reclaim the division eventually before the season is done.

Can you imagine if the Texans had to play the NFC east this year? Work would be unbearable with the number of Cryboy fans I have to work with on a daily basis.

This upcoming game in Jacksonville will be the game that makes or breaks the Texans this year. It is that critical. Lose and you come home to face Indy with the team in turmoil and fans upset and most likely start 0-4. Win and come home with some confidence to face Indy without Bob Sanders. Slaton left, Slaton right, Slaton up the middle. Dre deep.
 
HJam72 said:
2-14 to 8-8 in two years. It's not like we're losing to bad teams at home. We're losing to top ten teams on the road, albeit badly. There's a lot of things I like to see different, yes, but Cowher himself is an example of why you don't give up on head coaches as long as they aren't looking bad for a long time. The least we can do is wait until next offseason, and I believe our attitudes will be different about Kubiak by then. This team should look really good through mid-season, and finish well enough too. We've likely just played our two toughest games of the year, although that remains to be seen. Kubiak is not bungling things as bad as it looks right now. The worst part of all of this is that Schaub is looking more and more like a mistake. Not only is he looking like a career backup, but a worse one that the one we already had.
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Straight up. 8-8 in his second season, our best record thus far, with lots of injuries to our best players...well, we have to have faith.

Yeah, I vent and rave in the first 48 hours after losing to the Titans, but that is a normal expression of disappointment born from passion for the team. It's the friggin' Titans for crying out loud!

But step away from the ledge for a second, folks. We've got 14 games left, and we have to believe that this team is even more disappointed in itself than we are as fans. They know this fanbase and city needs a winning football team. They understand the importance of the gut check and limiting their own self-defeating mistakes.

The Steelers, IMO, will be in the AFC Championship game if they do not suffer any serious injuries. They are one of the best teams in the AFC right now, so we have to just accept that we got our butts whooped.

Then Ike blows through and jacks with everyone's heads. Players are just as human as the rest of us, and we have to give them a bit of understanding as fellow Houstonians that focus in the face of disaster is not the easiest state to achieve. They could have beaten the Titans, but there were just some mental mistakes - from the QB, to AJ and KW, the HC and just blown assignments throughout the game.

So here we are, game three of the season, and we just have to believe that Kubiak & Co. will do what they've done before. Get this team ready to rebound from a disappointing loss and play some good football.

Besides, we know our owner. Kubiak has a minimum of four years as HC, even if this year tanks. Just accept that simple fact and hope for the best. But more important, enjoy the ride!

Loud, Proud, & Texan!! :texflag:
 
i think mangment and the coaching plays a little part in the game

but when its all said and done the players and there ability is the deciding factor of a win and lose IMO
 
HJam72 said:
2-14 to 8-8 in two years.
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7-9 to 8-8 in three years.

The majority of the problem going from 7-9 to 2-14 was coaching and coaching/front office politics. Joe Pendry and Victor Riley anyone?

There was some decent young talent on the team when Kubiak took over. It is likely that some of those could have developed into competent veterans by now. Instead, roster spots were used for the Flanagans, Salaams, and Greens of the league. To Kubiak's credit, they may have been the best way to improve for a couple of years. Now that those players aren't contributing though, the Texans have to fall back to much less experienced players.

Some of these young players that are playing now are at the same level of development as those that were cut when Kubiak came over. Had they kept some of them, they'd be middling vets right now and the Texans wouldn't have this constant gelling problem. However, as has become usual with the Texans, when a vet is done contributing the replacement is very raw.

Kubiak had to cut deep to clean up the team and implement his systems. However, in some cases he cut too deep.
 
Double Barrel said:
Straight up. 8-8 in his second season, our best record thus far, with lots of injuries to our best players...well, we have to have faith.

Yeah, I vent and rave in the first 48 hours after losing to the Titans, but that is a normal expression of disappointment born from passion for the team. It's the friggin' Titans for crying out loud!



Loud, Proud, & Texan!! :texflag:
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I think that too with what happened last year with all the injuries and stuff, this season so far, with us being healthy ,to an extent, and with what we put on the field, I seem to fall into the talent of players has surpassed the talent of coaching ..now i am not saying we have talent to go to the superbowl, I am just looking at the way the team played with all the injuries and with what we are doing now and with all the talent that is not injured now
 
I guess I haven't made myself clear on the fire Kubiak subject on any threads.

I DON'T think he should be fired.

However, I think his performance should be evaluated on more than an 'in Kubes we trust' basis. If the team has a poor record this year (6 wins or so), he should be on the hot seat next year. I think some of his staff should be considered on the hot seat now and be terminated this off-season if their units don't shape up.

No more excuses.
 
Runner said:
If the team has a poor record this year (6 wins or so), he should be on the hot seat next year. I think some of his staff should be considered on the hot seat now and be terminated this off-season if their units don't shape up.

No more excuses.
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That pretty much sums it up. The only reason I am interested in a possible mid-season swap at DC is we have an in-house guy to take over, that was reportedly favored by Kubiak to begin with. Heck we have Ray Rhodes as well.
 
Runner said:
I guess I haven't made myself clear on the fire Kubiak subject on any threads.

I DON'T think he should be fired.

However, I think his performance should be evaluated on more than an 'in Kubes we trust' basis. If the team has a poor record this year (6 wins or so), he should be on the hot seat next year. I think some of his staff should be considered on the hot seat now and be terminated this off-season if their units don't shape up.

No more excuses.
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No way should Kubes be fired in the middle of the season. If the Texans only win 6 games though, he has to go. That is taking two steps back after taking one forward. That wouldn't even be staying a float. All we would be doing is pro longing another year after this of mediocraty if we kept a coach that is in his 3rd season and only won 6 games. You don't keep a guy around when the team regresses like that.
 
Polo said:
I don't see any reason Babin is not here.

Guess that's my only one...
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Babin was not a good player. He was also way over paid for what he was doing on the field. He was never an impact type of player at all. I was very happy to get rid of him and his salary.
 
infantrycak said:
Specific examples?
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I'm sure you can figure out one of my examples...

This may not have a direct cause and effect relationship, but Moulds/Gaffney.

Salaam/Wand. This was exacerbated when they didn't bring back Wand the day Spencer got hurt. They did pick up Jordan Black the next off-season though.

These are two players still in the league. Who knows how other cuts could have fared with some development. It's a crapshoot, and like I said, he did have to cut deep.
 
I have been watching these threads and near as I can figure there are a bunch of folks on here that suffer from PE of the keyboard.
 
Runner said:
I'm sure you can figure out one of my examples...

This may not have a direct cause and effect relationship, but Moulds/Gaffney.

Salaam/Wand. This was exacerbated when they didn't bring back Wand the day Spencer got hurt. They did pick up Jordan Black the next off-season though.

These are two players still in the league. Who knows how other cuts could have fared with some development. It's a crapshoot, and like I said, he did have to cut deep.
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I forgot about Gaffney...
Wand as well...
 
Polo said:
I forgot about Gaffney...
Wand as well...
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Gaffney looked OK with Tom Brady in NE. Thats hardly a mark on how good he would be for us. MVP, or Carr/Schuab? Hmm, maybe the QB helpped a little...? And Wand was a stiff.

bckey said:
Why do I keep seeing people say over and over that we were beaten by 2 top tier teams. The only time the Steelers looked good out of the 3 games they have played so far was against us. The Titans always play good defense and they seem to have the Texans number. They are 3-0 but I think Indy will reclaim the division eventually before the season is done.

Can you imagine if the Texans had to play the NFC east this year? Work would be unbearable with the number of Cryboy fans I have to work with on a daily basis.

This upcoming game in Jacksonville will be the game that makes or breaks the Texans this year. It is that critical. Lose and you come home to face Indy with the team in turmoil and fans upset and most likely start 0-4. Win and come home with some confidence to face Indy without Bob Sanders. Slaton left, Slaton right, Slaton up the middle. Dre deep.
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Not so fast, Dre's gotta catch em first.
 
I am not sure how anyone here could have figured out that Gaffney was any good. Most of us blasted his route running and his hands. Most said good riddance when he left. The Moulds trade and subsequent new deal he got was a mistake, but that is hind sight.

I will give you Wand, mainly cause of the injury and then bringing in that waste of space Black.
 
BigBull17 said:
Gaffney looked OK with Tom Brady in NE. Thats hardly a mark on how good he would be for us. MVP, or Carr/Schuab? Hmm, maybe the QB helpped a little...? And Wand was a stiff.
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Doesn't matter whether or not Brady helped him be more successful. Gaffney was still a vital part of that mix.

Pats had and still do have a lot of talented recievers. It wasn't like he was competing for a roster spot against scrubs.

And I don't know if Wand was any worse than Jordan Black.
 
Gaffney?? Sorry, but that just won't fly. He was never consistent. I remember Carr hitting him in stride when he wasn't even looking up for the ball. He needed to go. He didn't work hard over here, nor was he ever any stand out by any means. Had he still been here, he'd still be doing nothing.

Brady has made a ton of average WR's look a lot better than what they are. Plus, he was the 4th WR on their depth chart that was lucky to have the D's of other teams double up on Moss and look for Welker and Stallworth. That top NE offense made Gaffney look good. He didn't make the offense look any better. He just benefited from other WR's having to be watched like crazy.
 
Polo said:
I don't see any reason Babin is not here.
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Babin still seems to me best suited for what he was brought in for, a 3-4 OLB.

Runner said:
This may not have a direct cause and effect relationship, but Moulds/Gaffney.
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I questioned getting rid of Gaffney, but would put the trade-off as Gaffney/Walter. We may have given up a viable player, but I don't see where we lost on the transaction. Moulds ended up a mistake.

Salaam/Wand. This was exacerbated when they didn't bring back Wand the day Spencer got hurt.

These are two players still in the league. Who knows how other cuts could have fared with some development.
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Wand is a tough one. I thought Pendry was wrong to bench him. Development wise though, he worked with a good OL coach in TN and now after three years on two teams hasn't started a game. I can see why Kubiak wanted a vet swing tackle like Salaam. Hard to say Wand would have fared better than Salaam. Now I would have brought Wand in instead of Black.
 
infantrycak said:
Wand is a tough one. I thought Pendry was wrong to bench him. Development wise though, he worked with a good OL coach in TN and now after three years on two teams hasn't started a game. I can see why Kubiak wanted a vet swing tackle like Salaam. Hard to say Wand would have fared better than Salaam. Now I would have brought Wand in instead of Black.
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My point is that if Wand was even just the same as Salaam, he probably would have improved and he"d be in the prime of his career now. A middling prime could take some heat off of the rookie or allowed other holes to be filled. Remember, the coaches cut Wand the day after everyone else and in person rather than over the phone. They agonized over that the decision - it was close between him and Spencer.

After the Spencer injury they could have had Salaam and Wand. However they picked up someone else. I think it was Brad Bedell. This was a Former Green Bay vet past his prime who was supposed to provide depth at two positons. I can rephrase the example as Bedell/Wand. I'd have stuck with a left tackle project one more year over him.

I think the Munchak coaching was great for him at TN. That is a tough line-up to crack though. He's now with the Raiders; who knows how they operate.

I've heard situations like Wand's compared to being in a double elimination tournament. For the non-elite player, that first loss (cut) makes it hard to win. In the end, he's been in the league six years where a career average is closer to two. He offers depth if nothing else, and depth has always been in short supply for the Texans.
 
infantrycak said:
That pretty much sums it up. The only reason I am interested in a possible mid-season swap at DC is we have an in-house guy to take over, that was reportedly favored by Kubiak to begin with. Heck we have Ray Rhodes as well.
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Agreed: whether it's Kubiak now or whomever down the road, eventually you have to dig in with one of these guys and let them finish a rebuild. If the roster had been better at the start you might have a point. Not you Cak, the whiners.

But the talent level was what it was when they got here. The only problem I see is people misjudging the talent on hand when they arrived. I'd be surprised if Ray Rhodes ups the anti with his heart condition. I don't think Bob McNair would allow it.
 
The problem is that the standard has been set so low that people figure 8-8 is a good season. It's better than it was, but by now it should be better than it is. Here is what it comes down to ....... this is not a good football team. It's like we had a huge water leak that has been partially stopped, but water is still flowing in and we are trying to stay afloat instead of fixing the leak completely and striving for the top.
 
brickman said:
The problem is that the standard has been set so low that people figure 8-8 is a good season. It's better than it was, but by now it should be better than it is. Here is what it comes down to ....... this is not a good football team. It's like we had a huge water leak that has been partially stopped, but water is still flowing in and we are trying to stay afloat instead of fixing the leak completely and striving for the top.
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Bad personnel moves...bad cap situations...bad draft class the first two years... all of this has added to the leaky Dyke. They've taken a wrecking ball to this roster. I don't know what else people expect them to do. "Just win Baby" works when you have some talent. When you don't it's "just survive until the next off season Baby". Next year Kubiak will be into the fourth year of a five year contract with an option for a sixth year. That's when Mr McNair will pay him off if there isn't significant progress. People deserve their rants now...but it's really pretty pointless. :chickendance:
 
brickman said:
The problem is that the standard has been set so low that people figure 8-8 is a good season. It's better than it was, but by now it should be better than it is. Here is what it comes down to ....... this is not a good football team. It's like we had a huge water leak that has been partially stopped, but water is still flowing in and we are trying to stay afloat instead of fixing the leak completely and striving for the top.
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Couldn't have said it better.


This line right here completely says it all.

The problem is that the standard has been set so low that people figure 8-8 is a good season
 
As are most of your posts, that is just plain B.S.! No one, especially Kubiak is satisfied with 8-8. However, to give you your due devil, it seems that we try to add veterans, who cost a bundle, to help bring the team up to snuff, only to see them under achieve. i don't get it, but it better be fixed, and soon.
 
NBT said:
As are most of your posts, that is just plain B.S.! No one, especially Kubiak is satisfied with 8-8. However, to give you your due devil, it seems that we try to add veterans, who cost a bundle, to help bring the team up to snuff, only to see them under achieve. i don't get it, but it better be fixed, and soon.
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I don't know if that was supposed to be to me or that other poster, but I'm trying hard to figure out what your logic is here.

You're saying that we try to add these high priced veterans to help out the team but they all under achieve. Well, genius who do you put that on???
 
Texecutioner said:
You're saying that we try to add these high priced veterans to help out the team but they all under achieve. Well, genius who do you put that on???
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You know, FA acquisitions are always hit and miss. The top 4 FA WR's this past off-season who had contracts totaling close to $200 mil have a total of 8 receptions so far. I wouldn't assume all of those GM's were bad because they weren't psychic.
 
brickman said:
The problem is that the standard has been set so low that people figure 8-8 is a good season. It's better than it was, but by now it should be better than it is. Here is what it comes down to ....... this is not a good football team. It's like we had a huge water leak that has been partially stopped, but water is still flowing in and we are trying to stay afloat instead of fixing the leak completely and striving for the top.
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I don't think people advocate that 8-8 is a "good season". It's just the best that this franchise has had in six seasons. Big difference in perspectives. I think most folks would agree that 8-8 is mediocre, at best.
 
infantrycak said:
You know, FA acquisitions are always hit and miss. The top 4 FA WR's this past off-season who had contracts totaling close to $200 mil have a total of 8 receptions so far. I wouldn't assume all of those GM's were bad because they weren't psychic.
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I saw a list of those guys that you're referring to, and yeah all those GM's screwed up because none of those guys were worth near what they paid. I can't remember every one of them off that list, but lets see....

Bernard Berrian-All he ever was in Chicago was a deep threat and that was it. He wasn't consistent either. Minnesota needed WR's bad, but they gave him way to much money. I had no idea why he was ever a HOT NAME around the circuit.

Javon Walker- This guy was coming off of like two knee operations and hadn't had a great season since he was with the Packers. And look who the guy was to give him all of that money? Al stinkin Davis. When was the last time he did anything right? He's a total mess.

I can't remember the other two at the moment, but I saw that list like yesterday or the day before and each guy was over hyped and shouldn't have gotten near what they got in the first place. I don't think every FA is hit or miss. I think it all depends on the timing in which you bring them in to your team, how healthy they are, and how they fit in your scheme. Some that seem great just don't work out though like you say. I think that Rosevelt Colven would be a good example of that. I won't ever fault the Texans for bringing him in. He seemed like a guy that could really help us, but he just wasn't the same player he was last year after his injury.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't think people advocate that 8-8 is a "good season". It's just the best that this franchise has had in six seasons. Big difference in perspectives. I think most folks would agree that 8-8 is mediocre, at best.
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I'd go so far as to say 8-8 is the definition of mediocre. It is perfect mediocrity! :)
 
Runner said:
I think the Munchak coaching was great for him at TN. That is a tough line-up to crack though. He's now with the Raiders; who knows how they operate.
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Thanks for the update about Wand. I didn't even know whether or not he was still in the league ? But I'm glad he's still drawing a paycheck to support himself and family and build up a descent savings for his later years. As I recall he was a pretty tight-fisted young man with his money.
As we know Wand was athletically gifted but came from a very small school background and knew nothing of technique because of that background. So he'd be the type who might yet be a late-bloomer.
 
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