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Everyone in the Texans organization from top to bottom needs to be reevaluated

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Texans fans have suffered over the past 7 years in watching atrocious football. I wouldn't wish the Carr, Capers, and Casserley Axis of Evil on my worst enemy.

We literally had with Capers, Fangio, and Pendry, the most inept head coach and coaching staff in the NFL since Rich Kotite's reign of error with the Jets. Pendry's offensive scheme were laughably archaic and Capers was more conservative than RC Slocum.

What Casserley did to this franchise with his drafts and FA signings was absolutely criminally negligent and inept. I don't think he could have screwed us worse if he actually tried to do so. I don't have to go through the carnage here since we all know what was done.

Mr. Mittens IMO even under the best of circumstances would have never turned into a star. He redefined the position when it comes to poor play. No field vision, leadership, accuracy basically anything you would deem important in a QB. His only positive was that he was relatively durable.

A lot of our beleaguered fans (including myself) believed we had a pretty good QB, GM, and coach since the new regime seemed to have a clue and made incremental improvements to the horrid situation the former regime left.

Basically, I believe we were fed **** so long that once we tasted bologna we thought we finally had filet mignon. We have overrated what we have because hope is all we had and because we haven't seen winning EVER from the Texans. Let's look at the Texans from the top down with a critical eye:

1. Bob McNair - its amazing how the business and fan comfort side of things are so good compared to the mess that is football operations. McNair believes stability leads to success. I agree with that for the most part. However, that is no guarantee of success. Look at the Lions. They have inexplicably stuck with Matt Millen for all of these years. Despite, this stability the Lions are as bad as ever.

Bob, listen to me, if it becomes clear that Schaub, Kubiak, Rick Smith, and others are not the ones to lead us to the promised land make the move and get us the people who will. Don't stick with them just because that is what you think top franchises do. It's not. Don't make us languish like you did with the previous crew.

Also, please dispense with the idea that we should only have choir boys on this team. Good teams often have a few bad apples if they can play. Tank Johnson and Pacman could have helped us a lot.

Don't bet the farm and commit long term deals for those who haven't earned it (i.e. Carr's extension and Rick Smith's extension).

Finally, I think most of us would rather focus on building this team properly rather than overspend for a new "face of the franchise" like we did for Schaub.

2. Rick Smith - We have given him a lot of love and benefit of the doubt. I mean compared to the idiocy of Casserley, Rick seemed like a genius instead.

Again, while he is an improvement, If you look at his record it is merely average as a whole. His free agent signings have been disastrous. Weaver, AG, Chris Brown, Putzier, and to a lesser extent Reeves have been a big bag of nothing. The 2006 draft was good. However, Amobi is legitimately a concern now as he hasn't done jack since midseason last year. This year's draft is TBD.

The fact is this team still has gaping holes in multiple areas. This is year 3 in his reign. Rick Smith is not a great GM; a great GM would have more holes filled.

3. Kubiak and the coaching staff - Its embarrassing how bad we have been outcoached so far. Our supposedly awesome oline coach got schooled by Dick LaBeau. The playcalling in the red zone today was bone headed. Our offense has taken a step backwards. It looks like our wunderkind OC is not ready for the job.

The horrific clock mgmt and use of challenges is inexcusable. To not challenge the catch right before halftime shows a lack of organization and awareness. I don't care whose responsibility it really was to notify the HC, the buck stops with Kubiak.

Richard Smith is the opposing offenses best friend. Horrible schemes and poorly disguised blitzes are his hallmark. We don't force the issue and merely react. MW in coverage 20 yards downfield is a joke.

Not pulling an awful Schaub and putting in Sage in order to give the team a chance to win is so disappointing. That according to your own words the thought never entere your head is frightening.

On today's game alone Kubiak would have grounds to get his ass canned. Put in the best players on the field and take away playcalling from underperforming coordinators. If not, you will lose your job.

4. The players - Show some friggin pride out there. Someone stand up and become a vocal leader. We don't have great players. However, this is the easiest area to fix since our problems are systemic.

5. Pro scouting and medical staff - heads need to roll here because the acquisitions of Weaver, AG, Chris Brown, etc. should never have been greenlighted. We seem to hold out hope for injured players in a far greater manner than other teams. Why did the team hold on to Charles Spencer for so long despite clearly having a career threatening injury that wasn't getting better and which was made worse by his lack of commitment to rehab.

Our coaches and GM seem to get assurances that certain players will get healthy. We go into the offseason thinking those areas will be ok and address other areas. When these players don't play we are left with gaping holes. This needs to stop now.

It kills me to say this but we look like a 5 win team at best. We are still closer to the bottom than being anywhere close to the top. Its depressing to think our only way out is to start all over again but that is the only way. Get proven established winners here (Capers an Casserley while experienced did not have a longstanding track record of success). Pay whatever it takes to get a Bill Polian- type GM and a proven winner like Marty or Cowher as coach.
 
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Not sure I have read any of your posts before but this one is fantastic.

I really don't have a whole lot to add so I will just leave it at that.

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I found this an excellent summary. I agree performance needs to be evaluated at all levels. The time for free passes for persona or to give the new regime a chance has passed.
 
Man, the janitorial staff better watch out. Aramark needs to be included in the evaluation process too though. :)
 
2. Rick Smith - We have given him a lot of love and benefit of the doubt. I mean compared to the idiocy of Casserley, Rick seemed like a genius instead.

Again, while he is an improvement, If you look at his record it is merely average as a whole. His free agent signings have been disastrous. Weaver, AG, Chris Brown, Putzier, and to a lesser extent Reeves have been a big bag of nothing. The 2006 draft was good. However, Amobi is legitimately a concern now as he hasn't done jack since midseason last year. This year's draft is TBD.

The fact is this team still has gaping holes in multiple areas. This is year 3 in his reign. Rick Smith is not a great GM; a great GM would have more holes filled.

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For the most part I agree with your post but I totally disagree with this.

For starters Rick Smith has only been through 2 drafts. I also believe that Weaver was a casserly signing. FA comes before the draft and Casserly ran the offseason after Capers got fired.

Keep in mind that when Smith took over we were in Cap hell, still paying off Walker, Wade, Smith, and a slew of others that didn't work out.

Green was a role of the dice, and we all knew that, including Smith. Also, the way his contract was front loaded with guarantee money was a great move and now with even further restructure it was genius. Cutting Green will not cost us that much.

Chris Brown, Putzier, and others were all low tendered FA that were brought in for temp fixes that we were not able to fill in the draft. If we bring those guys up then we have to look at Maddox, Demps, Andre Davis, Dressen, Brisel, and others.

The only real mistake was Schaub. We gave up way to much for a Carr look a like.
 
Watching the GB-Cowboys game.. it made me sick how the front four of those two ..get after it compared to our defensive mentality

Even that 7th rounder that the Cowboys picked up last year showed push in the center of the line (forgot his name).. much more than we see from our guys
 
I thought Weaver was a Casserly thing

If Kubiak was here it was a Kubiak signing - he had the power as soon as he arrived. It is disingenuous when the board claims that post-Kubiak pre-Smith bad signings were Casserly's and good signings were Kubiak's.

This crew hasn't done itself a lot of salary cap favors - Weaver, Moulds, Green - even Jordan Black's little $1M bonus was a total waste that was easily avoided.
 
If Kubiak was here it was a Kubiak signing - he had the power as soon as he arrived. It is disingenuous when the board claims that post-Kubiak pre-Smith bad signings were Casserly's and good signings were Kubiak's.

This crew hasn't done itself a lot of salary cap favors - Weaver, Moulds, Green - even Jordan Black's little $1M bonus was a total waste that was easily avoided.

I thought weaver has been here for about 3 years,but if not is sure feels like it.


edit , it was 2006 when we signed him March 12th i

http://www.uhnd.com/articles/2006/nfl-irish/former-de-anthony-weaver-signs-with-texans/
 
I thought weaver has been here for about 3 years,but if not is sure feels like it.

From the above article:

The Texans will be converting from a 3-4 to a 4-3 defense this off-season and the signing of Weaver is the beginning of the transformation under first year head coach Gary Kubiak.
 
Whenever it is a good pick in that 2006 transition year it is credited to Rick Smith and if not it is blamed for Casserley. If Casserley was the guy pulling the strings in the 2006 offseason then he should get credit for that draft.
 
If Kubiak was here it was a Kubiak signing - he had the power as soon as he arrived. It is disingenuous when the board claims that post-Kubiak pre-Smith bad signings were Casserly's and good signings were Kubiak's.

This crew hasn't done itself a lot of salary cap favors - Weaver, Moulds, Green - even Jordan Black's little $1M bonus was a total waste that was easily avoided.

All those signing were small in comparisons to throwing money at guys like Todd Wade, and Robaire Smith. Extending contracts of Seth Payne, Walker, Carr, and cutting players like Sharper, and Glen.

No one is arguing that Kubiak has not made his share of stupid decisions. We are speaking only of Smith and the types of contracts that he has been able to put together.

Even Schaubs contract is not that large. If we were to cut Schaub it would not cost us that much b/c his guarantee money is not that much.
 
Its still not a Rick Smith signing and that is the point.

No it wasn't a Rick Smith signing.

However, Rick Smith has made some bad free agent signings. His free ride should be over by now because he shares responsibility in for the Texans. This team is under talented and he's in charge of talent.
 
Whenever it is a good pick in that 2006 transition year it is credited to Rick Smith and if not it is blamed for Casserley. If Casserley was the guy pulling the strings in the 2006 offseason then he should get credit for that draft.

He does get credit for the 2006 draft.
 
Whenever it is a good pick in that 2006 transition year it is credited to Rick Smith and if not it is blamed for Casserley. If Casserley was the guy pulling the strings in the 2006 offseason then he should get credit for that draft.

exactly..only thing that baffles me is how Weaver still has a job with this team (besides what it will cost to cut him).. I am sure he busts his butt every day, but for the am't of jack he is making. I wish there was more production


as my signature goes I don't know why our defense is so passive :lion: I mean yes the secondary is banged up but geeze

and maybe it is just that after watching GB-Dallas and seeing those front 4 play, it was like a whole another level... and it is a shame being of what the Texan organization has invested in our own front 4 (besides Mario)
 
Green was a role of the dice, and we all knew that, including Smith. Also, the way his contract was front loaded with guarantee money was a great move and now with even further restructure it was genius. Cutting Green will not cost us that much.


Green's contract was a mistake. Even in foresight. This is a great article, if your definition of great is slamming your head into a wall repeatedly:

Ahman’s Rush to Texans is Downsized

It is not surprising to think that a RB who is over 30 with a significant injury history might have some problems.
 
No it wasn't a Rick Smith signing.

However, Rick Smith has made some bad free agent signings. His free ride should be over by now because he shares responsibility in for the Texans. This team is under talented and he's in charge of talent.


I could see him with a season more or two before I kick the free ride thing.. Casserly overall left the Texans in a world of hurt .. I would look up the draft busts that the Texans had from 2002-2006 and see who is with the team, who is still in the NFL, and who is out of the NFL and It probably would make even Chuck Norris cry if he was a Texan fan.

with that said..there are numerous holes that are still trying to be filled..
But I am very disappointed with the team.. There seems to be no direction or identity with this team at this stage of the season
 
No one is arguing that Kubiak has not made his share of stupid decisions. We are speaking only of Smith and the types of contracts that he has been able to put together.

Even Schaubs contract is not that large. If we were to cut Schaub it would not cost us that much b/c his guarantee money is not that much.

I don't find the $5Mish bonuses Moulds and Green signed small, especially for what they contributed to the team and the risk they were due to age/injury. Why not get a good player with that much money?

I'm just stunned that Smith still has that much teflon left on him with such an under talented team. He's in charge of talent! Why make excuses for him?

I guess it is a sign that things may be changing since "in Smithiak we trust" is no longer considered a valid response to such questions.
 
exactly..only thing that baffles me is how Weaver still has a job with this team (besides what it will cost to cut him).. I am sure he busts his butt every day, but for the am't of jack he is making. I wish there was more production


as my signature goes I don't know why our defense is so passive :lion: I mean yes the secondary is banged up but geeze

and maybe it is just that after watching GB-Dallas and seeing those front 4 play, it was like a whole another level... and it is a shame being of what the Texan organization has invested in our own front 4 (besides Mario)

Weaver, like Mario, was a move made out of necessity. Switching form the 34 to the 43 meant we did not have any DE's. The only players drafted so far for the 43 has been Williams and Amobi.
 
Watching the GB-Cowboys game.. it made me sick how the front four of those two ..get after it compared to our defensive mentality

Even that 7th rounder that the Cowboys picked up last year showed push in the center of the line (forgot his name).. much more than we see from our guys

you mean Jay Ratliff who used to be the NT for the boys before Tank Johnson got there. I have a feeling this team wont be a contender while Bob sits by idly. The reason those same "playoff teams" are talked about year in and year out is that they wont to win no matter what. I would love to know what Bob thinks about his staff after every loss because I don't think its about anything but money. I could be way off and wrong but thats just the way it seems every sunday.
 
I think the board should be locked down for two whole days after every game.

Seriously. I can understand Kubiak, and the coaching staff, but Smith? I think we're going alittle too far here, he done ALOT more positive for our team then negative. Ok, the top FA he sign every year has been bad, but let's not forget the street FA he signed that became players for our team, and not to mention the amazing draft he had in the last two years(does 2006 count?).

leave rick smith alone....... the guy is the equivalent of daryl morey for the Texans.
 
Seriously. I can understand Kubiak, and the coaching staff, but Smith? I think we're going alittle too far here, he done ALOT more positive for our team then negative. Ok, the top FA he sign every year has been bad, but let's not forget the street FA he signed that became players for our team, and not to mention the amazing draft he had in the last two years(does 2006 count?).

leave rick smith alone....... the guy is the equivalent of daryl morey for the Texans.

Daryl Morey is LEAGUES better than Rick Smith. Morey has gone out and filled the holes in the team. He maximizes value from our draft picks. His work in the last draft was pure wizadry and lead to us getting Ron Artest. We are a legit championship contender. Rick Smith hasn't gotten close to that yet. I know the Rockets were in better shape than the Texans but Morey added key pieces without giving up the core of the team. That is huge.
 
Daryl Morey is LEAGUES better than Rick Smith. Morey has gone out and filled the holes in the team. He maximizes value from our draft picks. His work in the last draft was pure wizadry and lead to us getting Ron Artest. We are a legit championship contender. Rick Smith hasn't gotten close to that yet. I know the Rockets were in better shape than the Texans but Morey added key pieces without giving up the core of the team. That is huge.

Ya'll do notice that the NBA and NFL are kinda different.
 
Daryl Morey is LEAGUES better than Rick Smith. Morey has gone out and filled the holes in the team.
You're trying to say that a basketball team is comparable to a football team? They have 15 guys on their squad, we have 53. He acquired a team that already had two superstars and was a playoff team, Rick Smith acquired the worst team at the moment in 2006. We had a maximum of three bright spots on our team, out of 53.

Lets do a comparsion. Two superstar on a basketball team is 2/5 of your starters. two stars and a above average player on a football team is 3/22 starters, excluding ST which is also very important.

He maximizes value from our draft picks.

And Smith hasn't? I'd even say he done a better job drafting players. Past draft for example, he traded back 8 spots and picked Duane Brown, Steve Slaton, and Dominique Barber. Two of them starting for us, and are doing a hell of a job at it.

His work in the last draft was pure wizadry and lead to us getting Ron Artest. We are a legit championship contender. Rick Smith hasn't gotten close to that yet. I know the Rockets were in better shape than the Texans but Morey added key pieces without giving up the core of the team. That is huge.

53 players to 15. Morey receive a playoff team, Smith receive the worst team in the NFL.

I'd say Morey done a better job in trades. FA, Smith pick up some key players through the wavier wire and lower signings.
 
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Ya'll do notice that the NBA and NFL are kinda different.

Yea I know. All I'm saying is we're lucky we have two good GM for our sports team. Smith is not the problem, he is part of the solution and is helping our team become more competitive for this league.
 
You're trying to say that a basketball team is comparable to a football team? They have 15 guys on their squad, we have 53. He acquired a team that already had two superstars and was a playoff team, Rick Smith acquired the worst team at the moment in 2006. We had a maximum of three bright spots on our team, out of 53.

Lets do a comparsion. Two superstar on a basketball team is 2/5 of your starters. two stars and a above average player on a football team is 3/22 starters, excluding ST which is also very important.



And Smith hasn't? I'd even say he done a better job drafting players. Past draft for example, he traded back 8 spots and picked Duane Brown, Steve Slaton, and Dominique Barber. Two of them starting for us, and are doing a hell of a job at it.



53 players to 15. Morey receive a playoff team, Smith receive the worst team in the NFL.

I'd say Morey done a better job in trades. FA, Smith pick up some key players through the wavier wire and lower signings.

You are the one who brought Daryl Morey into this conversation by saying Rick Smith is like him. I know the sports are different, but I just wanted to show you that Morey has clearly done a better job.
 
I don't understand how Rick Smith could even be brought up. The dude has drafted unbelievably well for this team, and aside from a few flukes in the free agency (namely Ahman), has done a pretty outstanding job overall.

I know some of you hate to hear it, but this team has more talent than ever before. Despite a number of holes, we have the personnel to win more often than not. Given, it takes more than talent to create success, and that seems to be our problem area.
 
Take all of my repTF great post

LATO I believe you are on to something we are ranked no.4 in revenue but we stink as a team.

Mr. McNair is the worst kind of CEO the kind that tells you that you have the kind of authority to do what you need to do to be sucessful but then puts restrictions on what needs to be done to be sucessful.

(Carr, signing only people who don't have a past, not willing to spend money on a big money FA ( Clements for example). This cut into the bottom line.

In todays NFL if you aren't willing to spend money in FA or willing to take a chance on FA's with a past then you are doomed to failure.

I believe the best way to build s team is through the draft but supplement the team through FA or taking a chance on 1 or 2 low character guys to fill holes.

Mr. McNair won't follow this plan because it

1. cuts into the bottom line $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

2. Doesn't follow his plan that has been sucessfull in othe businesses.

The NFL is not like other businesses because it dependes on players that grew up in disavantaged backgrounds.

This is coming from a long suffering (2003 season ticket holder).

KUBES bet the farm on Schaub lets hope he got it right.
 
this here thingy the Texans got going is deeper than it appears on the surface, meaning that- it was initiated years ago before the first game ever played in 2002. Its not going to help anything getting on Gary or his staff, certainly not Rick Smith who has been limited with what he can do in free agency because of the existing salary cap mess. no you have to look deeper & find something that sticks, been around awhile & directly affects the talent on the field. that would be Bobby Grier http://www.houstontexans.com/team/FrontOfficeBio.asp?front_office_id=61

several high ranking board members have mentioned his name & I'm inclined to agree it may be best for the Texans to move on tweaking the infrastructure not changing more visable Gary or Rick who I hope are here a long, long time. :tiphat:
 
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Why do you think Mr. McNair didn't clean house when he fired the CC regime?

He even fired the salary cap guy (Ferens) but for some reason he decided to keep Riley, Grier & Hoke around.

These are the 3 areas that need to be upgraded in the organization. The team will not improve until they make these changes.

Hoke They brought in Rhodes to help him do his job.
Riley Consistently getting whipped on the OL & DL Leads league in injuries every year.

Grier Helped put us in SC trouble during CC regime & will do the same to Smithiak if he is not fired. Name one quality FA the man has signed. The man is incompetent @ his job & need to be fired. There is only 2 reasons he has a job
1. He has helped make Mr. McNair make money.
2. He is a minority & the Texans are trying to be racially diverse in the high up FO positions.

Please make these changes in the organization Mr. McNair.
 
It's time to start looking at the bottom line here.

Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy have been at their respective jobs just as long as Kubiak has been in Houston. IIRC, they took over 3 and 4 win teams the same year Kubes took over a 2 win team.

I don't think that it's too early to start expecting results.
 
It's time to start looking at the bottom line here.

Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy have been at their respective jobs just as long as Kubiak has been in Houston. IIRC, they took over 3 and 4 win teams the same year Kubes took over a 2 win team.

I don't think that it's too early to start expecting results.

I hear you and I am as frustrated as anyone as to the performance of this team. To be fair - both the Saints and the Packers were in a significantly better position (personell wise) than the Texans after that season. Frankly, we were lucky to win 2, while both the Packers and the Saints underperformed. We have started off rough this season, but we have improved the past two seasons, while simultaneously completely turning over the roster.

I will say that the coaching the past two games has been horrible and it is worrisome. You have to give Kubes some wiggle room because he is playing some young guys - but the team just hasn't looked focused or prepared for the last two games. The quality of the oppenents and the situation at home has made for difficult situations - but the coaching staff ought to at least keep us from being blown out in the opener. I coaching decisions impacted the outcome of the game yesterday.
 
The first post by TF was the best one I have ever read of his. AWESOME post!

Since I largely agree with his statements, let me take at least minor umbrage on one point - I think you can get talented players that aren't going to embarrass the city, the team, or it's fans. No they don't have to be choir boys, but I don't want a Michael Vick or Pacman either. They only cause distractions and divisions and you can't count on them. We could stand to relax our standards a bit, but I'm not for fielding a team team of felons either.
 
You are the one who brought Daryl Morey into this conversation by saying Rick Smith is like him. I know the sports are different, but I just wanted to show you that Morey has clearly done a better job.

Yea I did, saying they're both a good gm and they both help their team. I wasn't comparing two different sports like you were.
 
honestly i dont think Pacman could have helped us .....

Vince young and his momma naaaaa

Bush is still growing

and tank johnson is fat and old


has i look at these names all i see is problems and iam glad we didnt pick them see this is where stability is for the better
 
Tank isnt old and some of these kinds of guys should get drafted I mean **** I want to win some f'ing football games
 
We're in the 3rd year of a rebuild under Kubiac and Smith. If we dump them now, we have to start all over again with someone elses idea of what and who they want. Not a good idea. Maybe replace the DC, but that's as far as I would go with things. I'm not in the mood for another rebuild.

We have the basic pieces in place now, we just have a few more really gaping holes to fill. And yeah, we said that last to too, but last year we were in the 2nd year of a rebuild. I would have hoped we'd be doing better by now, but ya know, losing on the road to two of the top teams in the NFL when you are certainly nothing more than average isn't the end of the world. It's really to be expected.
 
We're in the 3rd year of a rebuild under Kubiac and Smith. If we dump them now, we have to start all over again with someone elses idea of what and who they want. Not a good idea. Maybe replace the DC, but that's as far as I would go with things. I'm not in the mood for another rebuild.

We have the basic pieces in place now, we just have a few more really gaping holes to fill. And yeah, we said that last to too, but last year we were in the 2nd year of a rebuild. I would have hoped we'd be doing better by now, but ya know, losing on the road to two of the top teams in the NFL when you are certainly nothing more than average isn't the end of the world. It's really to be expected.
forget rebuild...I'd settle for a "build".
 
We're in the 3rd year of a rebuild under Kubiac and Smith. If we dump them now, we have to start all over again with someone elses idea of what and who they want. Not a good idea. Maybe replace the DC, but that's as far as I would go with things. I'm not in the mood for another rebuild.

We have the basic pieces in place now, we just have a few more really gaping holes to fill. And yeah, we said that last to too, but last year we were in the 2nd year of a rebuild. I would have hoped we'd be doing better by now, but ya know, losing on the road to two of the top teams in the NFL when you are certainly nothing more than average isn't the end of the world. It's really to be expected.

My biggest problem is our core or building blocks ( or lack off ) . We should have at least 6 and 6 on offense and defense but we don't . It's kinda like returning letterman in highschool to build your team around . I guess the other part would be no team tradition or lore ( expectations ) to live up to .

On defense it's Ryans and Williams who are playing at a decent level ... that's it . On offense do we say Slaton ... who else . AJ should be there but he was'nt yesterday .

The question would be ... are the rest of these guys talented and badly coached ? Are they just not talented and badly scouted or both ? I think the best thing is to take the play calling away from Shanahan and Smith ... it's a start .

The Eagles whipped the snot out of the Steelers offense . This is same Steelers offense went through us like a hot knife through butter . There's something that's just wrong that higher picks will not cure .
 
I'd like to see Demeco lose a few...

I think he was more effective and moved better before he gained weight...
 
1. Bob McNair - its amazing how the business and fan comfort side of things are so good compared to the mess that is football operations. McNair believes stability leads to success. I agree with that for the most part. However, that is no guarantee of success. Look at the Lions. They have inexplicably stuck with Matt Millen for all of these years. Despite, this stability the Lions are as bad as ever.

Bob, listen to me, if it becomes clear that Schaub, Kubiak, Rick Smith, and others are not the ones to lead us to the promised land make the move and get us the people who will. Don't stick with them just because that is what you think top franchises do. It's not. Don't make us languish like you did with the previous crew.

Also, please dispense with the idea that we should only have choir boys on this team. Good teams often have a few bad apples if they can play. Tank Johnson and Pacman could have helped us a lot.

Don't bet the farm and commit long term deals for those who haven't earned it (i.e. Carr's extension and Rick Smith's extension).

Finally, I think most of us would rather focus on building this team properly rather than overspend for a new "face of the franchise" like we did for Schaub.

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i try to stay away from your post's because you only seem to post when things are not going well. unfortunatly with this team thats pretty much always. most people either get it or they dont so i usually dont try to explain it to the ones who dont but i was reading this on cnn and i thought maybe it would at least make people think twice about hiring a bunch of thugs to play for our team and represents our city.

from peter king at cnn
. I think Boys Will Be Boys, Jeff Pearlman's new book about the Dallas Cowboys in their glory days, and their decline from them, should not be dismissed as the rantings of a jaded sportswriter. Pearlman, obviously, has hit several nerves, and I applaud him for it.

Pearlman writes that Michael Irvin, incensed that tackle Everett McIver, in mid-haircut, would not leave a barber chair at training camp in 1998 so Irvin could get his haircut first, stabbed McIver in the neck. McIver was rushed to the hospital and survived, but not without losing a lot of blood. Irvin's silence on the charge has been deafening. I asked a Cowboy who played on that team if the story was true. "Absolutely,'' the Cowboy said. "I'm surprised it was kept quiet over the years.''

Pearlman writes in great detail about the White House, the house of ill repute Dallas players owned and managed near Valley Ranch, and he lampoons Deion Sanders, quoting Dallas corner Kevin Smith thusly: "When Deion came in, something changed for the worse. Guys who should have been studying football on a Wednesday at 12 o'clock were focused on other things. Deion was such a freaky athlete that he could shake one leg and be ready to cover anyone. But the guys following his lead weren't nearly as talented.'

In the first defensive team meeting Sanders attended, Pearlman writes, Sanders put his feet up on a table, and when defensive coordinator Dave Campo asked him to break down a play, Sanders said, "Hey, coach. I got that dude right there. Wherever he goes, I go. All that Cover Two stuff you're talking about -- y'all work that out.''

Pearlman writes that Troy Aikman was disgusted by Sanders. And Barry Switzer, too. He also notes that Switzer's liquor tab during the week of the Pittsburgh-Dallas Super Bowl in Arizona was $100,000. That's a heck of an example to set, Barry. What a great hire.


here is the link http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/09/21/Week3/4.html

so if you wanna root for and celebrate with a bunch of thugs whom if you were sitting in a spot they wanted they might just stab you in the back of the neck so they can get their hair cut first. please move to dallas and root for them.
 
so if you wanna root for and celebrate with a bunch of thugs whom if you were sitting in a spot they wanted they might just stab you in the back of the neck so they can get their hair cut first. please move to dallas and root for them.

I tend to agree.

My question to all of those who are unhappy with the the character of our players is, who of these bad apples was available or was interested in coming to our team?
 
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