euro-Texan
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like I'm the only one thinking it.
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Fire kubiak!
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hollywood_texan
All Pro
Let's merge all these threads and put a sticky on it.
This is going to be the topic for the rest of the season.
This is going to be the topic for the rest of the season.
euro-Texan
Rookie
Not if we fire him today...
hollywood_texan
All Pro
I seriously doubt McNair does that. It just doesn't seem like him.
Like your idea though!
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Ckw
Guest
I really do not get you guys. Our poor excuse for a QB throws 3 picks and 0 tds and we call for the coaches head???? Big things that fall on the coaching, and not all on Kubiak, are the poor challenges (not challenging the play when the receiver was obviously out of bounds) and not running the ball on 2nd and goal.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
Great idea! Let's fire the head coach a week after a hurricane ravaged Houston and forced us to postpone our home opener.
Kubiak and Schaub are conjoined at the hip. If Schaub crashes and burns, Kubiak is likely done.
Kubiak and Schaub are conjoined at the hip. If Schaub crashes and burns, Kubiak is likely done.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
No way.
Fire Smith.
Fire Smith.
J-Russ
Veteran
Add Richard Smith to that and make it a trio. You want to keep those losers around, fine, I just hope McNair won't hesitate to bring the hammer down on your ass too if they sink.
Well he is the QB hand picked by the Texans QB guru - Kubiak.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
Leahmic223
Veteran
Time out!
Get rid of Schaub and Kubes...okay fine...NOT SMITH. All under Smith.
Slaton, Okoye, Mario, Demeco, hell even Duane Brown is looking okay right now.
New_Texans
Rookie
Bench Schuab.
Fire Smith. Though the D in the 2nd half played well.
Hope Kubiak returns to last season's play calling also, hope that Rosenfels changes things as well.
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Ckw
Guest
And he is the same QB who everyone was proclaiming a bonafide star before his injuries last year.
As I said before, I think the injuries have jacked with his head. He does not look comfortable in the pocket. You can't blame Kubiak for picking a QB who truly looked and acted like he had it but has seemingly lost it.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
Is Shanahan calling the plays, or is Kubiak?
J-Russ
Veteran
*cough* Richard Smith *cough*
*Ahhhhhcooo the DC ooooo*
* hack* the succubus who has been draining the blood from our defense and has put Kubiak under some sort of sexual trance, which is why he won't fire him *weez*
Leahmic223
Veteran
The defense did everything they could to give the offense the game...Even two turnovers where we end up with 6 points...and Smith has done nothing but have solid draft after solid draft.
My pink slip list is...
1. Schaub
2. Kubes
3. Smith
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Uh-uh.
Kubiak did one thing wrong today. He went for it on 4th down with more than 2 yds. to go like 3 times, not counting the 4th and 10 desperation stuff at the end. The majic number there is 2 yards. I love his guts going for it on 4th down a lot, but not for more than 2 yards. 2.1 is too much.
Actually, he did everything he could offensively to wear out their dominant D-Line and Haynesworth. We ran outside. We bootlegged outside. We actually tired them out a few times, but this team is WEAK on the inside of the line on both sides of the ball. Maybe if Okam was more experienced it would help the D a lot. The other strong side DTs are all too small. Our center is weak. Apparently, our RG is weak. Our core is just plain weak.
Too add insult to injury, Schaub is not at all looking like he is worth the 2 2nd round picks we spent on him. Rosenfels time? I don't know.
Kubiak did one thing wrong today. He went for it on 4th down with more than 2 yds. to go like 3 times, not counting the 4th and 10 desperation stuff at the end. The majic number there is 2 yards. I love his guts going for it on 4th down a lot, but not for more than 2 yards. 2.1 is too much.
Actually, he did everything he could offensively to wear out their dominant D-Line and Haynesworth. We ran outside. We bootlegged outside. We actually tired them out a few times, but this team is WEAK on the inside of the line on both sides of the ball. Maybe if Okam was more experienced it would help the D a lot. The other strong side DTs are all too small. Our center is weak. Apparently, our RG is weak. Our core is just plain weak.
Too add insult to injury, Schaub is not at all looking like he is worth the 2 2nd round picks we spent on him. Rosenfels time? I don't know.
Leahmic223
Veteran
Lol okay I get them confused a lot sorry...I thought some people were calling for the GMs head for a second XD
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Smith, kubes, and schaub would make one hell of a threesome. They all suck beyond belief
spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
No..... this thread is may be premature. Give it at least 24 hours and then react. Lets see how they play next week.
10-6 till proven ootherwise
10-6 till proven ootherwise
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I'm fine with losing Richard Smith (our DC), but Kubiak stays. This was not a coaching loss, despite everybody I'm sure freaking out about turnovers on downs. This was a butt-kicking at the line of scrimmage, and I would've been shocked if it hadn't been.
PS-They are also better than our team in other areas, but we're beat before we even get to all of that.
PS-They are also better than our team in other areas, but we're beat before we even get to all of that.
SouthSideTexan
Glutton for Punishment
TEXANRED
Texan-American
You only speak the truth.
This team has talent but that does not mean anything if you can't make the right personnel moves or the right play call.
He's got three strikes against him as QB's go. He couldn't fix Carr, wasted two 2nd's on Schaub, and won't start Sage cus he wasted two 2nd's on Schaub. If this were baseball he would be out.
HardcoreTexan
Texan4life
Rosenfels for President
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I don't see how Smith fits into all of this. Smith has done a good job of buying the groceries and stocking the pantry. It's Kubiak that keeps burning the Chicken.
Leahmic223
Veteran
i'm fine with keeping Kubes...it is Schaub I worry about...
Like I said...Defense gave the offense SEVERAL oppurunties o take the lead...and then come back...offense never got it done.
Usually people say "well we need a running game to pass." we had one this game...and the passing game was just horrible. I'm starting to think it's better to go with Sage...draft a young guy from College and let him watch Sage for a season or two...
I honestly think this is our best option...
Like I said...Defense gave the offense SEVERAL oppurunties o take the lead...and then come back...offense never got it done.
Usually people say "well we need a running game to pass." we had one this game...and the passing game was just horrible. I'm starting to think it's better to go with Sage...draft a young guy from College and let him watch Sage for a season or two...
I honestly think this is our best option...
HJam72
Hall of Fame
They mean the DC I'm sure. I still say Kubiak is not the problem.
euro-Texan
Rookie
I almost understand the 4th down play against the Steelers, but come on this isn't a Madden NFL game. Get three points and keep the game close. Pathetic coaching. No excuse!
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
What were the choices?
Keep Carr? Should have drafted Vince Young? Get Jake Plummer who plays team handball these days?
With the offensive line play that the Texans have had this season against physical defenses, I am not sure that anyone does better back there. Including Sage (see pukey link).
I am afraid that neither Schaub or Rosenfels are the real franchise answer for the team. They are the guys we have.
When confronted with a bunch of problems - line play, poor QBing, pass dropping, etc--you can either junk the QB, or try to see if the guys you have can get more in sync. No easy choices.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
First, they didn't have to do the Schaub trade.
Second, it seems the Texans have the same problems since 2002.
What are Kubiak's strengths anyway? Please point them out because I am not seeing them.
The Texans are treading very close to being like the Cardinals.
I'm not the expert - Kubiak is. He was hailed as a QB guru and he paid a high price for a QB who didn't have to earn the starting job. I'm pointing out that he shares in responsibility for how Schaub performs. It might be said that Schaub's success defines Kubiak's head coaching stint with the Texans.
I think a few teams have done more with less at QB in the time that Kubiak has had. If Smith is the front office wizard as he is perceived, and Kubiak is a QB specialist, there should be more success. When I see a vet like Warner get signed back out of obscurity, I wonder why our brain trust can't do better. I have a suspicion that if a Kurt Warner type was here, he wouldn't be given the opportunity to take over for a struggling young quarterback anyway.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
It's starting to really lean that direction.
Sure, McNair could wait till the end of next season, but they can't afford to not look at the handwriting on the wall.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Carr looked better....at first.
Schaub looks good...only when he has time.
This to me does not look like 2005...at least with the offense. They are taking shots downfield.
The Titans defense is good. They make a lot of good offenses look bad. An offense that doesn't have its stuff together is going to have a long day.
Brando
Hall of Fame
That's what I was going to ask. Does the play call go from Shanahan through Kubiak to Schaub?
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
Hey, we have fired Offensive Coordinators early in the season before....
Keep Kubiak.
Fire Shanny
Keep Kubiak.
Fire Shanny
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Well, like someone said above, we didn't have to make the Schaub trade.
Obviously it is hindsight but we could have used those two second rounders to fill a couple holes that we are absolutely bleeding from at this point. Or perhaps draft a QB to groom.
We all trusted Kubiak's decision making after hearing, watching, and reading about his past.
We could have grabbed a veteran QB and had our guys learn how to run this system with a QB who can actually play, rather than a QB who is still learning the basics of quarterbacking.
It stunts every other offensive players' growth when you've got a QB that spends most of his first year as a starter on the injury list and absolutely sucks in the first 2 games of his second season.
Again, it is hindsight. But at the same time, we wouldn't have to look at it that way if our coach was the QB guru we thought he was.
I don't think they are as bad as the 2005 team. I'm not sure they are as good as the 2004 team.
That might not be such a bad idea , last season the offense looked a lot better and it was Kubiak calling the plays and coaching Schaub ....
If you toss Dick Smith into that deal .... I'm on board.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Kubiak has proven himself to not be a good NFL coach- I don't think he should be fired until after this season is over- and then only if we are a disappointment, which I'm feeling good about us being.
1. Keeping Richard Smith on as DC
2. some of the moves to fill out the 53 man roster examples (keeping Ferguson, Salaam, Weaver, Studdard and dropping guys like Frye, who should probably be starting at RG, Fletcher, Foley...
3. His total inability to manage a game as seen clearly in his choices today with timeouts, going for 4th downs, and especially challenges. Is he really dumb enough not to realize that perhaps Tennessee is rushing to the line for a reason?... how about burning a timeout if you're worried about wasting a challenge... he sure had no problems burning through them in the second half.
4. The fact that we are out-schemed consistantly on both sides of the ball.
5. Our players aren't ready to play. AJ looked disinterested. Clearly the oline wasn't ready to play, Winston included.
1. Keeping Richard Smith on as DC
2. some of the moves to fill out the 53 man roster examples (keeping Ferguson, Salaam, Weaver, Studdard and dropping guys like Frye, who should probably be starting at RG, Fletcher, Foley...
3. His total inability to manage a game as seen clearly in his choices today with timeouts, going for 4th downs, and especially challenges. Is he really dumb enough not to realize that perhaps Tennessee is rushing to the line for a reason?... how about burning a timeout if you're worried about wasting a challenge... he sure had no problems burning through them in the second half.
4. The fact that we are out-schemed consistantly on both sides of the ball.
5. Our players aren't ready to play. AJ looked disinterested. Clearly the oline wasn't ready to play, Winston included.
Sorry but the coach is a quarterback specialist brought in to save Carr but can't save Carr. We dump Carr and trade 2 2nd round picks for Schaub, and he's playing like crap after significant time with the quarterback "guru". I think it's fair to blame Kubiak for poor QB play.
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
Keep Kubiak, bench schauby-boy, start Sage, and fix our ground attack.
Don't ask me how to get a running game either.
Oh, kubiak needs to throw the red flag on his own w/out waiting for the bastards upstairs to tell him to do it. The sideline catch and the goal line-L. White non-breakage of the plane should have been reviewed.
Don't ask me how to get a running game either.
Oh, kubiak needs to throw the red flag on his own w/out waiting for the bastards upstairs to tell him to do it. The sideline catch and the goal line-L. White non-breakage of the plane should have been reviewed.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
So we have a running back run for 117 yards and our ground game needs fixing? Against one of the best run defenses in the NFL?
What are you smoking, can I have some the hurricane made me smoke my stash.
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
One decent game from a rookie does not fix our lack of a running threat. I like Slaton, but he is undersized and under-experienced.
I don't do drugs, never have, never will...not funny.
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