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Ahman Green: I call him Mr. Glass

TexansFight

Veteran


ONE FRIGGIN PLAY and he goes out of the game. Cut this guy for the love of God please. He is more fragile than 1,000 year old pottery. Its INSANE to pin any hopes on this guy. The Texans have done this WAY too much in their history. The list is endless: Boselli, Spencer, Domanick Davis, etc.

I don't care if he is doing yoga or whatever crap to loosen up. He has too much tread on his tires and he is stealing a paycheck. Cut this loser now.
 

Goldensilence

hipster elite
I wouldn't go so far as to call Ahman a loser.

It is really frustrating to have him not go one play and get injured one way or another again. It hurt twice as bad that Chris Brown is out too.

I get the feeling of Deja Vu seeing it this year except this year it's pre-season instead of the first game of the season. I'm not sure I want to wait and see if he's ready to go by the season starter just to see him go down again.Personally I think it might be in best interests of both sides we cut him sooner then later. Perhaps he could catch on to another team.

I think Smith could do better on the waiver wire then a guy that is possibly poised for more extended time on the bench. Specially after cuts.
 

TexansFight

Veteran
I don't know if the loser tag is harsh. They couldn't find anything wrong with him last year in tests yet he only played in only 3 games. Friggin Phillip Rivers played on ONE leg in a playoff game. Then he takes himself out after ONE play. Why should the team, coaches, or fans have any faith in him. I don't get the feeling he is giving his all to play.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
Green is a great running back when he's healthy. But, that's the trick isn't it, him being healthy?
 

nunusguy

Hall of Fame


ONE FRIGGIN PLAY and he goes out of the game. Cut this guy for the love of God please. He is more fragile than 1,000 year old pottery. Its INSANE to pin any hopes on this guy. The Texans have done this WAY too much in their history. The list is endless: Boselli, Spencer, Domanick Davis, etc.

I don't care if he is doing yoga or whatever crap to loosen up. He has too much tread on his tires and he is stealing a paycheck. Cut this loser now.
Elijah Price (Jackson) is born with Type I osteogenesis imperfecta, a rare disease in which the bones break easily. As a child he is taunted by other children, who nickname him "Mr. Glass". Drawing on what he has read in comic books during his many hospital stays, Price theorizes that if he is frail at one extreme, then perhaps there is someone strong at the opposite
extreme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbreakable_(film)
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Very clever T-F.
Did you ever see the flic ? I didn't but always wanted to since it was an intriguing story with an excellent cast, especially with Samuel L. as Mr. Glass.
 

Koolaid Time

Drink Up!
Green is a great running back when he's healthy. But, that's the trick isn't it, him being healthy?
Last year I posted his injury stats.. It looks like he is good for a knee, groin, hamstring injury/ problem every year since 2002.

While injuries are part of the game, we shouldn't have to hitch our wagon to a long term injury just waiting to happen.

Ahman Green's complete injury profile from 2002

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4261/injuries.html
 

TexansFight

Veteran
Elijah Price (Jackson) is born with Type I osteogenesis imperfecta, a rare disease in which the bones break easily. As a child he is taunted by other children, who nickname him "Mr. Glass". Drawing on what he has read in comic books during his many hospital stays, Price theorizes that if he is frail at one extreme, then perhaps there is someone strong at the opposite
extreme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbreakable_(film)
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Very clever T-F.
Did you ever see the flic ? I didn't but always wanted to since it was an intriguing story with an excellent cast, especially with Samuel L. as Mr. Glass.
I did see the movie. I liked and thought it was M Night Shyamalan's 2nd best film after the 6th Sense.
 

TexansFight

Veteran
He did the same thing AJ did. Pull up with a groin tweak. Are we going to cut everyone who gets injured? Sheesh
Ummm, AJ is a Pro Bowl level player who suffered a LEGITIMATE injury last year and STILL played in 7 games more than twice as many as our own Mr. Glass. AJ is a warrior and has earned the benefit of the doubt from us.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Ummm, AJ is a Pro Bowl level player who suffered a LEGITIMATE injury last year and STILL played in 7 games more than twice as many as our own Mr. Glass. AJ is a warrior and has earned the benefit of the doubt from us.
You know that Ahman Green has been to more Pro Bowls than AJ, right?
 

aj.

All Pro
I think Green has seriously lost his edge, and what fire existed in Green Bay has been long since extinguished. At 31, he appears to be more concerned with cashing these last few paychecks than helping a team win football games. I think he's become shy of game contact and he knows inside that this is his last year, and since the Texans aren't going to get him another SB ring, why risk further injury right? He already has it all. So where is his motivation? Just make the 53.

There's no room to play tinker bell with Green and his roster spot any longer. Give me a hungry RB that wants to bust heads and make a name for himself. If Green's not able to appear in more than 5 games again this year (what evidence is there that he can?) cut him before final roster cutdown and save McNair a few million - because AG sure as hell hasn't earned it.

I was never big on this signing but now I'm seriously getting tired of his inability to stay on the field. Falling down untouched on your first touch of the preseason isn't a good sign. What happens when he starts getting hit by LBs? Rhetorical question. Most of us know what will happen.
 

gtexan02

Working?
I think all of this is speculation at best from a bunch of people who don't understand what happened. You are calling out a guy for one preseason injury?

Kubiak has said multiple times that Green has looked the best in practice, that Green has worked the hardest in the offseason, that Green is ready to make up for lost time last year.

He's the head coach, and if he says Green has fire, then I believe him. Kubiak has shown throughout his entire tenure that he doesn't put up with guys who aren't trying. Sherman is long gone, so if Kubiak didn't believe Green could help the football team, he'd be gone.

Green pulled up and went down early because he felt a tweak in his groin. Andre Johnson did the same thing. You want our best running back risking season ending injury in the first preseason game? Its preseason football people. Who cares if he plays 1 snap or all of them. The goal is to learn the scheme and come out healthy.

Groin tweaks happen. They aren't a big deal. But if you feel it tighten up, and you keep on playing, you risk a big injury. It was all well and good that AJ pulled up with a groin injury. We want him to preserve his health for games that matter. But if Green does it, we crucify him?

Everyone keeps posting "He went down without any contact!"
Well, what did you want him to do? He felt his groin tighten up, he prevented the injury from being worse. Its preseason football. None of this counts.

We have a very young football team here right now. We have a slew of below-average running backs. Green is a veteran who plays smart, has good wheels, and has good field vision. He is by far the best runnign back on this team when he is healthy. Anyone with eyes can see it during practice. So excuse me for not immediately cutting him based on his attempt at preventing an injury during a meaningless preseason game.

If all he was after was his paycheck, do you really think a guy with his injury past would fake an injury to sit out a few snaps in preseason ball? No way. He knows as well as anyone he's going to get cut if he's hurt. He wouldn't have gone through all of training camp if all he was after was the guaranteed money.

So many of you are calling him out and spouting off speculation like its fact. "He doesn't play hard" "He can't handle any contact" "He is faking"
The guy is a 5 time probowler who has been in the NFL for 11 years.
Lets give him a little more respect than this
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
The guy is a 5 time probowler who has been in the NFL for 11 years.
Lets give him a little more respect than this
As a Green Bay Packer, he deserves all the respect in the world as a pro bowler and Super Bowl winner. As a Houston Texan, he's a failure. Until he proves otherwise, that's just the way it is.
 

aj.

All Pro
I think all of this is speculation at best from a bunch of people who don't understand what happened.
I think I understand what happened (and what's happening) and I could care less if he went to five Pro Bowls with another team years ago. I care about 2008.

Ahman Green has done nothing for this team since he's been here. Someone give me a reason why I should believe the Texans will get more than 8 games out of him this year - and working hard in practice isn't a good reason, especially if he can't stay on the field when the live bullets start flying. I was at most of the public training camp sessions and I know he looked like a hall of fame RB - in shells with limited contact. What's going to happen when it's Troy Polamalu coming at him?

Assuming Ahman Green will be healthy this year is the ultimate speculation.
 
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Polo

Guest
I don't think the Texans can go into the season with AG & CB as their number one and two backs...
 

Scooter

Funky
I think all of this is speculation at best from a bunch of people who don't understand what happened. You are calling out a guy for one preseason injury?

Kubiak has said multiple times that Green has looked the best in practice, that Green has worked the hardest in the offseason, that Green is ready to make up for lost time last year.

He's the head coach, and if he says Green has fire, then I believe him. Kubiak has shown throughout his entire tenure that he doesn't put up with guys who aren't trying. Sherman is long gone, so if Kubiak didn't believe Green could help the football team, he'd be gone.
ahman's played in 25 of his last 48 games (many of which are only partials), it's more than a mere preseason injury when a trend is involved. especially when that injury is one that will nag for an extended amount of time such as a groin. i thought ahman would be an answer and yall know i'm as lenient as they come, i'm going to call an injury riddled 31 year old runningback as he is though.

ahman was the hardest worker last year and "has never been in better shape and looks incredible". he gimped through 6 games (topping out at 16 carries) before calling it quits for 07.

coach is going to stick up for the players as long as possible, see charles spencer. i'm in 100% support of kubiak, i hope he's here until he's senile. green however is bad knees with pulled muscles and strain tendons and sore everything. questionable the entire season but hey, he'll work hard on the sidelines and be in outstanding condition.
 

aj.

All Pro
I don't think the Texans can go into the season with AG & CB as their number one and two backs...
I think their plan all along was to cobble together one player-season from the two. Even that looks like wishful thinking at this point.
 

gtexan02

Working?
I understand completely what happened...
So the guy feels a potential injury, during a preseason game, and you'd rather him play through it or what?
You aren't making any sense.

He felt his muscle tighten up. He prevented an injury. If it happens during the regular season, fine. But I see preseason as a big practice. I think he did the right thing.

If we had a lot of depth at RB, fine. Move on. But at this point, Im not exactly thrilled at the thought of a Brown, Walker, Slaton trio.

Kubiak and Smith ahve already tried working the waiver wire for replacement RBs. There aren't guys they want out there right now. At this point, I think he's still our best bet
 

aj.

All Pro
So the guy feels a potential injury, during a preseason game, and you'd rather him play through it or what?
You aren't making any sense.

He felt his muscle tighten up. He prevented an injury. Why is this bad?
I think I'm making pretty good sense when I say Ahman Green is at the end of his career.

Why is this bad? Well, let me think about this for a second .... maybe because he's occupying the RB1 roster spot at 5 million per year and can't stay on the field and we need a RB that can stay on the field? AG was nothing more than a stop-gap when they brought him in here - and now it appears that the Packers knew exactly what they were doing when they let him walk.
 
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Polo

Guest
So the guy feels a potential injury, during a preseason game, and you'd rather him play through it or what?

He felt his muscle tighten up. He prevented an injury.
When you get to the point in life that feeling a muscle tighten up means you need to completely stop all activity for fear of causing an injury, it normally means you're getting old...

I mean...how can we expect him to get through a good portion of the season if he can't stretch out a tightened muscle for a series...

Didn't he go through warm-ups like everyone else ? Or did he just walk out there cold ? He wasn't touched...Which means he did no more on that one play than he should have done in warm-ups...Either he's not warming up properly or his muscles are the muscles of a 30+ yr. old running back...
 

Mike Kerns

LYSB Podcast
I'm all about cutting the guy. Why waste a roster spot for a bum thats going to sit out most of the season. Especially when it means maybe letting a guy like Darius Walker go.
 

gtexan02

Working?
When you get to the point in life that feeling a muscle tighten up means you need to completely stop all activity for fear of causing an injury, it normally means you're getting old...

I mean...how can we expect him to get through a good portion of the season if he can't stretch out a tightened muscle for a series...

Didn't he go through warm-ups like everyone else ? Or did he just walk out there cold ? He wasn't touched...Which means he did no more on that one play than he should have done in warm-ups...Either he's not warming up properly or his muscles are the muscles of a 30+ yr. old running back...
What? AJ did the exact same thing

Wide receiver Andre Johnson gave the Texans and a crowd of 3,721 fans at the Methodist Training Center quite a scare Saturday when he pulled up after running a deep route at the end of practice.

The two-time Pro Bowler appeared to favor his left groin as he limped off the field in noticeable pain. Immediately, the Texans’ training staff and team orthopedist, Dr. Walter Lowe, attended to Johnson.
No contact on that play either. I guess 27 is the new 31
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
Looking at the state of our running backs right now I have to admit that I'm a little surprised we haven't seen Ron Dayne back in town. I know that's probably not a popular sentiment but I fail to see how our running back situation right now is any less "house of cards" than it was last year.

Chris Brown has been a non-factor. Ahman Green is (IMO) for all intents and purposes "snake bit" where injuries are concerned and it no longer matters what he has "left in the tank" at this point. His injury situation has taken on a life of it's own now and this guy is forever going to have thoughts of injury in his head. Every time he strains a muscle or takes a hard hit he's going to be wondering if he's hurt. We're going to be wondering if he's hurt. This can go nowhere but down now. Watching Ahman Green and waiting for that next injury is going to become like watching Brad Lidge and waiting for that next blown save. Mark my words on that. Darius Walker is an alright two or three. Chris Taylor probably just needs to get back into the flow of things but IMO the jury is still out. Slaton just needs to get used to the pro game and the speed but of the three of them I don't see one guy whose ready to go on opening day and be our starter.

They don't like Benson and won't consider him, they obviously agree with the common opinion on Shaun Alexander. I think it's time for another running of the Dayne Train. Nobody wanted to see it happen again. Hell, I like the guy and I didn't even want to see it happen again but here we are looking at going 16 games with no answers at RB (again).
 

threetoedpete

Hall of Fame
The guys I really feel bad about are the bubble guys. Instead of keeping an extra DT or, OT, C/G, WR now they gotta go fishing for RBs. Unless you're talking about picking up troubled child Benson, who I don't believe will fit with Gibbs...you're pretty much stuck with the situation until next off season.

For what ever it is worth Spencer Tillman pretty much threw Green under the bus last night on the KTRH recap show.
 

Kaiser Toro

Native Mod
After Saturday's game Green's position on this team has to be earned, not only by him making it through an exhibition game, but by other RBs taking it from him.

I do not want to get rid of younger talent at the expense of vets that cannot stay healthy.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
And I see exactly where gtexan02 is coming from. All you guys running your keyboards and talking about what a bum or loser Ahman is are off base. He's no more a bum or a loser than Emmitt Smith was in Arizona or Earl Campbell was in New Orleans. He's a RB at the end of his career and he wants to keep playing. He thinks he can keep playing. All this hostility is misdirected if you ask me. Instead of dogging Ahman Green for thinking he can keep playing (which pretty much means he's got something in common with just about every great athlete that ever lived) you should be dogging the Texans for hanging on to this experiment just a bit too long and not trying to do more to mitigate the damage if and when this didn't work out.

I still see Ahman's injury and AJ's injury in completely different lights though. One is happening to a young man in the heat of the day while the other is happening to an old man following warm ups in a perfectly comfortable stadium the first time he tries to go full speed. A lot of it has to do with perception I'll admit but Ahman is, to Texans fans all about being hurt all the time. We haven't really seen much of anything else from him besides stories about his fabled conditioning and impressive practices.
 

Scooter

Funky
Its not to you?

Both were running untouched and both stopped cold because they felt their groins tighten up. How is it different? The quotes in the news stories are almost identical
AJ is coming off of knee surgery and as is common exerts a higher muscle group to compensate.

green looks better than ever and falls flat with less effort than 9am yoga. yes, different.
 

gtexan02

Working?
AJ is coming off of knee surgery and as is common exerts a higher muscle group to compensate.

green looks better than ever and falls flat with less effort than 9am yoga. yes, different.
Herv made a good point about the heat of the day, end of practice, etc.

But I should point out that Green is also coming off a knee injury, so I don't think that differentiates the two imo
 
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Polo

Guest
Its not to you?

Both were running untouched and both stopped cold because they felt their groins tighten up. How is it different? The quotes in the news stories are almost identical
Dre's injury happened at the end of a practice oustide in the blazing heat on a long route where he was probably close to full speed.....

AG's injury.....didn't.....
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
Looking at the state of our running backs right now I have to admit that I'm a little surprised we haven't seen Ron Dayne back in town. I know that's probably not a popular sentiment but I fail to see how our running back situation right now is any less "house of cards" than it was last year.

Chris Brown has been a non-factor. Ahman Green is (IMO) for all intents and purposes "snake bit" where injuries are concerned and it no longer matters what he has "left in the tank" at this point. His injury situation has taken on a life of it's own now and this guy is forever going to have thoughts of injury in his head. Every time he strains a muscle or takes a hard hit he's going to be wondering if he's hurt. We're going to be wondering if he's hurt. This can go nowhere but down now. Watching Ahman Green and waiting for that next injury is going to become like watching Brad Lidge and waiting for that next blown save. Mark my words on that. Darius Walker is an alright two or three. Chris Taylor probably just needs to get back into the flow of things but IMO the jury is still out. Slaton just needs to get used to the pro game and the speed but of the three of them I don't see one guy whose ready to go on opening day and be our starter.

They don't like Benson and won't consider him, they obviously agree with the common opinion on Shaun Alexander. I think it's time for another running of the Dayne Train. Nobody wanted to see it happen again. Hell, I like the guy and I didn't even want to see it happen again but here we are looking at going 16 games with no answers at RB (again).
We will be likely seeing a RB signing "just to get through the preseason." Of not a name guy and not Benson (according to the presser). Who knows who that could be but I bet they'd like to get someone with experience.

And poor Ron Dayne once injured himself in pregame warmups....I'm not sure how good of shape he would be not going through anyone's camp.

The best thing that happened to the Texans draftwise is that Adrian Peterson went with the 7th pick of the draft his year, and not the 8th pick the Texans switched with ATL in the Schaub trade. Green on NFL Sirius Radio talked about the legacy of great Houston pro running backs--I don't believe we have that guy on our roster, no matter what the blocking.

Green shouldn't be glossed Mr. Glass because he has put in a bunch of NFL seasons and has come back from a really bad injury--it's not like he never was able to get on a field. But he's an old running back, and he appears to be done.
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
The talk of bringing Dayne back is very disturbing to me. Instead of running off my typical anti-Dayne rant, I will leave it at this: If Dayne's on this team at any time this season it'll mean our chances of a playoff push (or a winning record for that matter)are gone.

Dayne sucks!

:texflag:
 

Blake

MMQB
Its not to you?

Both were running untouched and both stopped cold because they felt their groins tighten up. How is it different? The quotes in the news stories are almost identical
I'm sorry, but Andre's injury and Ahman's are completely different. I think it was stated already but Andre was at the end of practice, and was running just about full speed with Will Demps fighting for position to make a catch.

Ahman was his first play, ran 10 yards in open space, caught a ball and fell down. Ive seen enough. He can stay for a pay decrease.

Give me Steve Slaton, Chris Taylor and Darius Walker. Green can get 1/2 his pay for 1/2 his work. And thats if I want to save a roster spot for him.

I feel that Kubiak and Co. will keep him playing in the preseason and if he cant stay on the field, they will cut him in a cap saving move and move on.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
The talk of bringing Dayne back is very disturbing to me. Instead of running off my typical anti-Dayne rant, I will leave it at this: If Dayne's on this team at any time this season it'll mean our chances of a playoff push (or a winning record for that matter)are gone.

Dayne sucks!

:texflag:
What he said. From two years ago:

Dayne looks like a poodle trying to hump the leg of the embarrassed little religious lady. He wouldn't know a hole if friggin Jenna Jameson was waiving a checkered flag at him.
 

Texan_Bill

Hall of Fame
The talk of bringing Dayne back is very disturbing to me. Instead of running off my typical anti-Dayne rant, I will leave it at this: If Dayne's on this team at any time this season it'll mean our chances of a playoff push (or a winning record for that matter)are gone.

Dayne sucks!

:texflag:
I knew you had it in you after being mellow in the other thread... We'll start calling you the "Second Coming of Second Honeymoon"!!
 

threetoedpete

Hall of Fame
It's very hard not to be knee jerk about Green. I'm a fan and I was cautious when we signed him. Wanna call the thirty year old line a wives tell fine. The guy is sixeth on the active list....and has taken a lot of shots. If they were expecting fifteen to seventeen touches per game, that number is droping like a stone. And our best prospect so far at RB is Darious Walker. A guy no one on a dare would call out to carry a team to a play off run. Time for some of that Smithiack majic.
 

PHAROAH

Rookie
I know that we did the right thing in drafting Duane Brown but a part of me really wanted everydown back Rashard Mendenhall because I knew that we couldn't count on Ahman Green & Chris Brown staying healthy. This is a sad way to start the season off and like I said before Steve Slaton will lead the texans in rushing.
 
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