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Duane Brown Will Be Starting LT

HOU-TEX said:
Is it me, or does Gibbs have a severe case of bedhead?
I agree, Vinny. Although your last statement doesn't really portray much enthusiasm as an immediate improvement over Salaam. IMO, Salaam is the Ron Dayne of LT's. I'd hope someone as "athletic" as Brown is would unseat Salaam with ease.

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I think that's the Jack Nicholson look.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Do you have a link for that?

The Wonderlic scores are typically posted as two numbers separated by a slash. (For instance 29/32 or 17/50.)

I think the common misconception is that the second number represents the second score from a second test, when actually it's the number of questions the test-taker answered and the first number is the number of correct answers.
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So if your theory is correct we could then say that since a certain QB for a certain team had a score something like 6/16 we could then say that not only could he not come close to finishing the test he also was not often correct in his answers. That would mean he was slow and wrong.

Anyway I wouldn't read too much in Duane running with the first team at OTAs

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Just watch another VT game.
vs. Clemson in 06.
(just the 1st half.)

Frye was at LT and Brown at RT for VT.
Gaines Adams and Philip Merling at DE (switching side from time to time.)

Some good battles there.
Frye was on a bit of the losing end while Brown look pretty good. The guy is athletic and can definitely move.

On one particular play, the QB couldn't find a receiver, but scrambled and still hold on to the ball too long. Brown made two blocks, one on each side of the field. The QB should have thrown the ball away or lay down, but he didn't and eventually lost the ball. Brown turned around and make the tackle on the guy who recovered. He looked like a LB.
 
Is it too late for an internet hack...er, scout to trash the Texans 1st round pick? Apparently not, as this Chris Steuber guy (writing for the fading fast draft site scout.com) believes Duane Brown is the Rookie Most Likely To: Fade Into Obscurity.

Every year there is a workout warrior who emerges at the Scouting Combine, shows good athleticism and appears fluid during positional drills, but for some reason scouts ignore the game film and get enamored with a player’s measureables.

A former tight end at Virginia Tech, the 6-foot-4, 315-pound Brown has a lot of upside, but on film he played soft and at times got manhandled by the opposition. He possesses quick feet, but he has to improve his strength in his upper body and legs.

There were six OTs taken in the first round, and I expect Brown to be the most disappointing of them all.
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I get a good laugh at these internet scouts who makes claims like "...he has to improve his strength in his upper body and his legs." One, just about every rookie in the league needs to improve their strength. Why single Brown out? Two, unless he's Brown's strength and conditioning coach, how would he know exactly what Brown needs to improve in? These guys love to talk out of their arse whenever they can't come up with a reasonable explanation for their assertions.

So, Brown will be the most disappointing OT selected in the 1st round? Well, he was the 6th of the OTs drafted. If the NFL always took the best player available at each slot, which has never happened, Brown would be the worst of the 6 tackles. That alone wouldn't make him a bad pick. The Steelers GM, Kevin Colbert, claimed that this OT draft class was the best he had seen in 25 years. If true, would it be that unlikely for all 6 of these Tackles to become good players?

Finally, isn't Duane Brown already rather obscure? Just how much fading has to occur? Brown could start all 16 games as a rookie for the Texans, and still wouldn't get much notoriety. Not outside of Houston, anyway.

Hey, I realize the guy had to pick some player as Most Likely To Bust. Why not the Texans draft pick? They're always an easy target. Fine. As our own threetoedpete might say, "Got 'er marked."
 
Lucky said:
Is it too late for an internet hack...er, scout to trash the Texans 1st round pick? Apparently not, as this Chris Steuber guy (writing for the fading fast draft site scout.com) believes Duane Brown is the Rookie Most Likely To: Fade Into Obscurity.

I get a good laugh at these internet scouts who makes claims like "...he has to improve his strength in his upper body and his legs." One, just about every rookie in the league needs to improve their strength. Why single Brown out? Two, unless he's Brown's strength and conditioning coach, how would he know exactly what Brown needs to improve in? These guys love to talk out of their arse whenever they can't come up with a reasonable explanation for their assertions.

So, Brown will be the most disappointing OT selected in the 1st round? Well, he was the 6th of the OTs drafted. If the NFL always took the best player available at each slot, which has never happened, Brown would be the worst of the 6 tackles. That alone wouldn't make him a bad pick. The Steelers GM, Kevin Colbert, claimed that this OT draft class was the best he had seen in 25 years. If true, would it be that unlikely for all 6 of these Tackles to become good players?

Finally, isn't Duane Brown already rather obscure? Just how much fading has to occur? Brown could start all 16 games as a rookie for the Texans, and still wouldn't get much notoriety. Not outside of Houston, anyway.

Hey, I realize the guy had to pick some player as Most Likely To Bust. Why not the Texans draft pick? They're always an easy target. Fine. As our own threetoedpete might say, "Got 'er marked."
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I think Lucky, that you are using entirely too much logic and common sense. This guy probably has dreams that he will eventually take Kiper's spot on ESPN and you keep messing with him. heehehe.
 
Why do you think they call guys like this jerk talking heads? Maybe empty talking head would be more apt in his case.
 
i'm curious. lets all take a shot at being an internet hack... er, scout. who do ya'll see as the first round pick most likely to flop?
 
barrett said:
i'm curious. lets all take a shot at being an internet hack... er, scout. who do ya'll see as the first round pick most likely to flop?
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Going to have to be a lineman. I'm going to say, hmmm, Jake Long. Total freaking guess though, and I have nothing to support or back this up in any way shape or form.
 
i forgot to pick. i'm going to say one of jacksonville's two DE picks. and i'm basing it on the exact same data as "bong".
 
It's the zeroth law of fan nature. If they say something you happen to agree with, then he/she is 'spot on' and insightful. If they don't, then he/she is a moron, hack, bum, hater, talking head or douchebag - except of course for those that are always bums or hacks even if you do agree with them from time to time.
 
asleep said:
The message will be pretty clear in the comments. If the reports are not
"glowing"....if you're not reading/hearing about how impressive Brown was at minicamp---that's not great news.

Comments like "coming along"/"good start"/"transition to NFL"/"learned some stuff"---- all veil some disappointment.

Not that Brown won't develop into a solid LT, just that he's not a(the) natural.

So far I have not heard about anyone being bowled over by Brown, yet, but it's early. Another week will clear things up as it trickles down.

I'm sure hoping for big upside surprise. :texflag:
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There is no disappointment here. These are the same posts we got when Spencer was making the transition. Believe it or not, they choose to move back and pick this guy. Not move up and waist picks on a higher rated guy.
He can dip his hips and is very athletic. That makes him better than two thirds of the guys coming out every year... off the bat. No one is going to be bowled over until the bullets are live and he picks up an exotic stunt. He isn't a prima donna and Gibbs will work him to death. Want perfect ? trade every pick you got in the bag and move into the top five. The big question is: is four months enough time ? and at this point no one knows for sure. If they aren't fawning all over him now, that's one reason why. The other is that Gibbs will break down his game over the next few months. Then Gibbs will attempt to build him back up. He doesn't have to relearn anything. Brown is starting from scratch.
 
aj. said:
It's the zeroth law of fan nature. If they say something you happen to agree with, then he/she is 'spot on' and insightful. If they don't, then he/she is a moron, hack, bum, hater, talking head or douchebag - except of course for those that are always bums or hacks even if you do agree with them from time to time.
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there could potentially be so much shakeup on the offensive line who knows who will excel in Gibbs' system and who will not.
 
b0ng said:
Going to have to be a lineman. I'm going to say, hmmm, Jake Long. Total freaking guess though, and I have nothing to support or back this up in any way shape or form.
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I kind of agree with you. Jake Long will be a RT before all is said and done.
 
Personally, I see one of the CB's being a complete bust. Which one(s) I don't know... but of all the players in the 1st round, they have the most upside as well as the most bust potential.
 
barrett said:
there could potentially be so much shakeup on the offensive line who knows who will excel in Gibbs' system and who will not.
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don't know about that. Rick Smith traded for Chris Meyers to be the starting Center. Winston is the starting RT & Pitts the starting LG. if Brown progresses on schedule he will be the starting LT. that leaves only RG position as unknown.
 
beerlover said:
don't know about that. Rick Smith traded for Chris Meyers to be the starting Center. Winston is the starting RT & Pitts the starting LG. if Brown progresses on schedule he will be the starting LT. that leaves only RG position as unknown.
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Was anyone else impressed with Brisiel last season when he came in? He definately didn't look too shabby for a 2006 UDFA imo. I think we may have ourselves a steal in Brisiel!!!
 
TheRealJoker said:
Was anyone else impressed with Brisiel last season when he came in? He definately didn't look too shabby for a 2006 UDFA imo. I think we may have ourselves a steal in Brisiel!!!
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Absolutely. His play last season was endlessly superior to that of Weary's. Brisiel is starter quality and is hopefully given a fair chance to start in light of the impending return of Tony Bosell...ahem, Charles Spencer.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Was anyone else impressed with Brisiel last season when he came in? He definately didn't look too shabby for a 2006 UDFA imo. I think we may have ourselves a steal in Brisiel!!!
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Briesel was very solid, I thought. I believe he'll make the team but I have doubts about him being a long term starter here because of the better athletes that could eventually overtake him at RG: spencer, frye... not to mention the competition he faces from Weary, Studdard and possibly CWhite or Eslinger.
 
I think the max downside for Brown is that he ends up on the inside as a
guard, but still a starter who could be very good. That's not a huge disappointment for a guy taken at 26, like it is for a #2 overall like Robert Gallery.
 
OK, I'll play (still awhile before the season starts-bored). I would go with Kentwan Balmer, DT North Carolina. not that he's a bad prospect but he is raw & developmental, he plays a difficult position for rookies to be successful, & not much support around him to succeed.

DEFENSIVE TACKLE (IMPACT: 5, OVA: 8%) http://ourlads.com/rookieimpact.cfm

In 2006, 20 rookie defensive tackles contributed on the field in the regular season. Based on the Landers efficiency model, the average rookie DT’s productivity was measured at 17.36 in 2006 (see model details below). Of the 115 veteran DTs who contributed in 2006, the average productivity was 35.80 – nearly double the average rookie. Only four of the 2006 rookie DTs had higher productivity than the average veteran. To punctuate the point, twenty rookie defensive tackles were good enough to contribute on the field right away in the NFL in 2006, but only four surpassed the average veteran. The 57th best veteran defensive tackle in 2006 would’ve measured 35.8 in their productivity. Only four rookie DTs performed better than the top-57 veterans. Is that good? Is that bad? Whatever it is, those four rookie defensive tackles represent 7% of the league’s defensive tackles that performed above average. (7% were Over Veteran Average, OVA) Congratulations go out to Kyle Williams, Barry Cofield, Domata Peko, and Kedric Golston. Three of these four also surpassed the league average in 2007. Also of note, respectively, they were drafted in the 5th, 4th, 4th, and 6th rounds.

In 2007, 18 rookie defensive tackles contributed on the field in the regular season. The average productivity for those 18? 19.73. 114 veteran DTs contributed in 2007. The average veteran DT’s productivity: 30.76. Only five of those contributing 18 rookie DTs had a higher productivity than the average veteran defensive tackle. Four out of twenty in 2006 and five out of eighteen in 2007 – fairly consistent. As far as 2007, goes that comes out to 8% of the league’s above average DTs being rookies. Congratulations go out to Adam Carriker, Amobi Okoye, Clifton Ryan, Ed Johnson, and Brandon Mebane. (1st round, 1st rd, 5th, undrafted, and 3rd.)

In 2008, based on the 2006 and 2007 numbers (7% and 8%), odds are that we’re looking no higher than 9% and no lower than 6% of the league’s upper half of defensive tackles being rookies. Approximately five rookie defensive tackles can be expected to perform among the top-60 DTs in the league. Will Glenn Dorsey be one of those five? Considering that the #1 source for DTs on NFL two-deeps is the 1st round (21%), odds are decent that Glenn Dorsey (and/or Sedrick Ellis) will be one of the five rookie DTs that perform above league average in 2008.
 
adam said:
Absolutely. His play last season was endlessly superior to that of Weary's. Brisiel is starter quality and is hopefully given a fair chance to start in light of the impending return of Tony Bosell...ahem, Charles Spencer.
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WAYYYY unfair comparison there. Boselli never played a single down for the Texans, even in a pre-season game and (this is a guess) cost us more per year than Spencer's entire contract. Spencer went down after getting Dayne-trained from behind.

Kubes still sounds VERY encouraged about Spencer's return, w/o the same sort of spin he uses when talking about more 'questionable' injuries. I think too many people are still hearing Capers/Casserly in their heads when injuries are being reported and not giving Kubiak the benefit of the doubt here.

Salaam, nice guy that he is, simply should NOT be able to keep up w/ Duane Brown as the kid progresses. Salaam was hired as a stopgap, an he's done so at a very serviceable level. If Brown isn't the starter for the first regular-season game, it'll happen by season's end.
 
disaacks3 said:
WAYYYY unfair comparison there. Boselli never played a single down for the Texans, even in a pre-season game and (this is a guess) cost us more per year than Spencer's entire contract. Spencer went down after getting Dayne-trained from behind.

Kubes still sounds VERY encouraged about Spencer's return, w/o the same sort of spin he uses when talking about more 'questionable' injuries. I think too many people are still hearing Capers/Casserly in their heads when injuries are being reported and not giving Kubiak the benefit of the doubt here.

Salaam, nice guy that he is, simply should NOT be able to keep up w/ Duane Brown as the kid progresses. Salaam was hired as a stopgap, an he's done so at a very serviceable level. If Brown isn't the starter for the first regular-season game, it'll happen by season's end.
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most excellent post, my freind :goodpost:
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Personally, I see one of the CB's being a complete bust. Which one(s) I don't know... but of all the players in the 1st round, they have the most upside as well as the most bust potential.
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How about Mike Jenkins...who's already said he doesn't like to tackle in run support and is currently getting taken to school by the UDFA WR Dallas signed after the draft.
 
disaacks3 said:
If Brown isn't the starter for the first regular-season game, it'll happen by season's end.
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I concur.
After watching 4 VT games (06 Clemson, 07 UNC, BC, KS), I'm quite positive that Brown will become a better LT than Salaam at some point. He won all 4 matchups.

He dominated Kentwan Balmer (UNC) - Balmer lined up mostly at DE in this particular game. I believe he got moved to DT.

And if we look hard at the opponents that VT faced, we'll see that Brown lined up against very good competition almost every single week.

E.Car: Marcus Hands DE (rated #34 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
LSU: Glenn Dorsey DE #5 pick
Tyson Jackson DE (rated #3 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Kriston Pittman DE (rated #18 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Al Woods DT (rated #3 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Marlon favorite DT (rated #12 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Ohio: Landon Cohen DE #216 pick
Jameson Hartke DT (rated #32 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
UNC: Kentwan Balmer DE #29
Hilee Taylor DE (rated #28 by NFLDraftcountdown) signed with Panthers
Clemson: Phillip Merling DE #32
Dorell Scott DT (rated #15 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Rashaad Jackson DT (rated #33 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Don't forget Gaines Adams
Duke: Vince Oghobaase DT (rated #5 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
BC: B.J. Raji DT (rated #14 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Ga Tech: Adamm Oliver DE (rated #29 by NFLDraftcountdown)
Darrell Robertson DE (rated #15 by Walterfootball)
Michael Johnson DE (rated #1 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Vance Walker DT (rated #4 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Darryl Richard DT (rated #16 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Fla.St.: Andre Flellen DT #87
Letroy Guion DT #152
Alex Boston DE (rated #40 by Walterfootball) signed with Jaguars
Neefy Moffett DT (rated #26 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Miami: Calais Campbell DE (rated #11 by Walterfootball) signed by Cardinals
Antonio Dixon DT (rated #21 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Eric Moncur DE (rated #16 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
Va: Chris Long DE #2
Jeffrey Fitzgerald (rated #29 by Walterfootball for 2009 draft)
KS: James McClinton DT (rated #25 by NFLDraftcountdown)
Russell Brorsen DE (rated #40 by NFLDraftScout
 
disaacks3 said:
Kubes still sounds VERY encouraged about Spencer's return, w/o the same sort of spin he uses when talking about more 'questionable' injuries. I think too many people are still hearing Capers/Casserly in their heads when injuries are being reported and not giving Kubiak the benefit of the doubt here.
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Kubiak has been just as bad about spinning injuries. I think it is unlikely Spencer plays football at a high level again. Of course, few believed it when I said (months before camp) that he wouldn't be back last year. As always, time will tell.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Was anyone else impressed with Brisiel last season when he came in? He definately didn't look too shabby for a 2006 UDFA imo. I think we may have ourselves a steal in Brisiel!!!
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Yes. I thought Brisiel added a lot to the running game the games he started on the line. I honestly was hoping that he would be taking over for RG because I like his play more than Weary, but, I've never been a real big fan of Weary.

I read that Brisiel has been taking 1st team snaps. Good sign.
 
Runner said:
I think it is unlikely Spencer plays football at a high level again.
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Why would you say that?

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It really seems like that his left leg is significantly thinner than his right. That's not really a good sign at this point in time. Sure, it's normal to lose some density after being off the leg for so long but the man is trying to play some professional football with a gimpy leg. This isn't Finding Nemo.

I really think his career is over.
 
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