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Vikings want to trade for Rosenfels..............
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
How bout Sage for Adrian Peterson?
:::Just messing around...don't flame me!:::
I'd do that deal all day long and twice on Sunday!!!
awtysst
Draft Guru
Yeah but then who would play QB? We need someone other than Craig Nall as our starter. I really dont want to get Harrington or You know who.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Honestly I think we should really talk up the RB position for the draft. There are teams like the and Seahawks that are going to want a RB in the draft. The more we talk up the RB situation and a guy slides to us, we should be getting some entertaining offers.
This may be the reason we will not sign a RB FA. Sure we will bring some in to show we are looking for a RB, but we won't sign anybody so that way the draft will look like RB for Houston all day long. Then someone will want a guy at our position and we can get a good trade going, perhaps trading down and getting a CB or LT at a better value.
This may be the reason we will not sign a RB FA. Sure we will bring some in to show we are looking for a RB, but we won't sign anybody so that way the draft will look like RB for Houston all day long. Then someone will want a guy at our position and we can get a good trade going, perhaps trading down and getting a CB or LT at a better value.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
FYI--Chester is signed for two more seasons at $3 mil per season. The Vikes would eat any bonus money paid to date in a trade.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Raytex,
My brother lives in Brownsville. From what I understand yall may be the only two Texan fans there.
I wouldn't mind the trade for Chester Taylor. I think it would help us win now and take care of a need position so we can focus on CB and LT.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Yep, there are very few of us. Cowboy land, Lots of ignorant Cowboy fans.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
My brother hates that because Bville is closer to Houston than Dallas. Oh well.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
How bout Sage for Adrian Peterson?
:::Just messing around...don't flame me!:::
Are you kidding. Not for Sage. Yeah Peterson is young and a perennial all pro and a back that can change games....but Sage has something you can't put your finger on for a backup QB. We have to keep him
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I would be so pissed off if that trade actually happened. Sage has proven to be no worse a starter than Schaub to this point. I don't mind trading him, especially to a team like the Vikings, but if we get an over the hill, average at best RB who has seen his better days...ala Green...I will boycott the FO and their decision and evaluation of any and all RB's. This would be one of the absolute worst trades I could think up. I would rather get only a 4th round draft pick and Taylor. However, I think Sage is worth a 2nd rounder and some team will pay that asking price.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Peterson has had injury issues as per his history so I think it would be short sighted for the Vikings to trade Taylor. It's pretty much the same argument as to not trading Schaub here.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I wouldn't exactly group Taylor as some over the hill back. He has been in the league 5 years..drafted in 2002 and 2 years ago had 1216 yards, averaging 4 yds a carry. This past year, as not even the main back he still had 844 yards, 7 TDs and averaged 5.4 a carry. Not too shabby.
Overalls
All Pro
I am not in favor of trading Sage but after looking a Taylors stats I can definately think of worse returns on our investment IF we traded Sage for Taylor.
He is 28. He has started 31 games in his career out of a possible 96.
However he has played in 91 games out of 96. That shows he mostly stays healthy but also that he has not been the only ball carrier for his teams and thus hasn't been ran into the ground. The only year he carried the majority of the load for his team was 2006. That year he had 1216 yards rushing and 288 yards receiving. He has a career avg. of 4.4 yards a carry. Over the last three years he has averaged 849 yards rushing and 287 yards receiving.
All in all I would rather keep Sage but IF the Vikings keep uping the ante I can see where we could end up better for it in the long run. I am not willing to pin all my hopes for next seanon on ANY of the Texans current RBs (including FA Dayne). I had high hopes for Green that just like for DD/W, turned to dust. Dayne has proven time and time again that when we need one yard, he can't be counted on to get it. The kids that were back ups last season haven't proven anything on the field either. We can hope they will turn into stars all we want, but that has gotten us nowhere before. Sure Green may come back strong and Dayne may be re-signed as his back up and the kids may come back healthy and get a shot but as of right now, deep in your heart, do you really believe that any team in the NFL is worried about stopping our RBs.
Nope. Just pin your ears back and hit the QB.
He is 28. He has started 31 games in his career out of a possible 96.
However he has played in 91 games out of 96. That shows he mostly stays healthy but also that he has not been the only ball carrier for his teams and thus hasn't been ran into the ground. The only year he carried the majority of the load for his team was 2006. That year he had 1216 yards rushing and 288 yards receiving. He has a career avg. of 4.4 yards a carry. Over the last three years he has averaged 849 yards rushing and 287 yards receiving.
All in all I would rather keep Sage but IF the Vikings keep uping the ante I can see where we could end up better for it in the long run. I am not willing to pin all my hopes for next seanon on ANY of the Texans current RBs (including FA Dayne). I had high hopes for Green that just like for DD/W, turned to dust. Dayne has proven time and time again that when we need one yard, he can't be counted on to get it. The kids that were back ups last season haven't proven anything on the field either. We can hope they will turn into stars all we want, but that has gotten us nowhere before. Sure Green may come back strong and Dayne may be re-signed as his back up and the kids may come back healthy and get a shot but as of right now, deep in your heart, do you really believe that any team in the NFL is worried about stopping our RBs.
Nope. Just pin your ears back and hit the QB.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
we had to go through 5 years of lousy quarterbacking...do you really want this team to have a mediocre backup behind the seemingly fragile Schaub for a back that you could probably draft in the third or 4th round? Heck, Taylor was a 5th rounder. When it comes to backs I say grow yer own.I am not in favor of trading Sage but after looking a Taylors stats I can definately think of worse returns on our investment IF we traded Sage for Taylor.
He is 28. He has started 31 games in his career out of a possible 96.
However he has played in 91 games out of 96. That shows he mostly stays healthy but also that he has not been the only ball carrier for his teams and thus hasn't been ran into the ground. The only year he carried the majority of the load for his team was 2006. That year he had 1216 yards rushing and 288 yards receiving. He has a career avg. of 4.4 yards a carry. Over the last three years he has averaged 849 yards rushing and 287 yards receiving.
All in all I would rather keep Sage but IF the Vikings keep uping the ante I can see where we could end up better for it in the long run. I am not willing to pin all my hopes for next seanon on ANY of the Texans current RBs (including FA Dayne). I had high hopes for Green that just like for DD/W, turned to dust. Dayne has proven time and time again that when we need one yard, he can't be counted on to get it. The kids that were back ups last season haven't proven anything on the field either. We can hope they will turn into stars all we want, but that has gotten us nowhere before. Sure Green may come back strong and Dayne may be re-signed as his back up and the kids may come back healthy and get a shot but as of right now, deep in your heart, do you really believe that any team in the NFL is worried about stopping our RBs.
Nope. Just pin your ears back and hit the QB.
Silver Oak
All Pro
calling Schaub "seemingly fragile" is pretty weak IMO.
If he had taken an average hit on either of the two plays that knocked him out, I would tend to agree with you, but c'mon Vinny, the hit in SD would've knocked any player in the league out, and having Fat Albert drive his weight into any qb's shoulder would KO most out as well.
You could be right, and only another season or two will tell, but I think we have a pretty tough qb who can take as good a shot as any other qb in the NFL can.
J-Russ
Veteran
Would you give Sage for Chester Taylor strait up?
So, hows it like living under a rock?
Overalls
All Pro
You must have missed this little statement in my post that you quoted.
And you are right we have done so well drafting RBs why should I not have faith in us drafting one in the 4th round.
I have stated in more than one post that I wouldn't mind if we drafted a RB in the first or traded down in the first and picked up a 2nd and used that on a RB. It has also been noted in numerous threads that the Texans have multiple holes on the team. I realize that this trade would help take care of one and create another but we could be trading a back up QB for a starting RB. To turn around your statement about our QB situation and put it as a RB question. Do you really want a mediocre RB backing up a seemingly fragile Green? Neither possition is considered a strength. Both possitions could be a strength IF the listed starter stays healthy. Right now we can't count on either players staying healthy. Hypothetical situations are just that, hypothetical. I seem to have more faith in Schaub and you seem to have more faith in someone who hasn't been drafted yet.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
So you think that Schaub is one of the more durable QB's of the NFL I assume.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Can one season, and a cheap shot make a player fragile? Is there enough data to say either way?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I'm on that same fence, thus my unwillingness to deal Rosenfels this season.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I said "seemingly". Isn't that different than calling him fragile in an absolute type of manner?
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
I guess, just not how I would have worded it, but if you ment not sure or personel doubts. Then I understand.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Schaub apparently couldn't take a hit in college either.
Cheapshots, yeah, but a QB get's cheapshoted a lot. He went down and didn't get up after plenty of legal hits too.
Cheapshots, yeah, but a QB get's cheapshoted a lot. He went down and didn't get up after plenty of legal hits too.
Schaub needs to learn to run backwards after he lets go of a pass, ala Brett Favre.
Silver Oak
All Pro
I go too far in defending my teams players, so if I'm wrong, please give me some evidence that points to his being injury prone...or at least more so than any other college/NFL qb.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Schaub had one injury in college. He went on to set 22 school records including most games played.
One is plenty now? He went down and came out of the game three times--two on flagged personal fouls and then once on the sack that hurt his shoulder.
Houston TexanUK
Practice Squad
In answer to the question in the first post... No.
You take Chester Taylor away from that OL in Minnesota, and he wont get anywhere NEAR the YPC he had last year.
You take Chester Taylor away from that OL in Minnesota, and he wont get anywhere NEAR the YPC he had last year.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I just watched some Schaub highlights (you tube) and you are spot on. When he drops straight back and throws, he tends to watch the flight of the ball down field which is fine but he is somewhat oblivious to the traffic around him.
Hooston Texan
Rookie
I resolved to stay out of any "Trade Sage" threads, but I have to weigh in on this. Schaub took a ton of hits in his 3 seasons as UVA's QB. Only one of them knocked him out of a game--when he separated his right shoulder (not the same one he hurt this past year) in the first game of his senior season. He only missed two games even though the doctors were advising an absence of up to two months. Once he returned in game 4, he took all the snaps the rest of the way.
In his junior year (when he won ACC MVP over classmate Philip Rivers), Schaub was playing behind an all-new offensive line featuring an 18-year-old left tackle who had trouble getting his weight over the 240 pound mark and no running game to speak of. He got routinely clocked, but that's where you could see the light come on for him: his quick-reading ability was born that year. [To me, this is what makes Schaub the anti-Carr: Schaub became a better QB when defenses teed off on him, Carr went to pieces.]
That having been said, even I don't believe that Schaub has proven that he can make it through 16 games for us. The only way to prove you can do something in the NFL is to do it, and he has not yet done it. So I wouldn't trade Sage for anything less than a early-to-mid 2nd rounder. And I certainly wouldn't trade him for Chester Taylor. If Schaub rolls through 2008 without missing time, then my asking price for Sage goes down (of course, the demand for him probably goes down, too).
I watched a bunch of the tribute stuff for Favre's career on NFLN this past weekend, and that's one of the things that stuck out. His coaches and fellow players talked about his tendency to run backwards after a pass, away from pressure and big linemen colliding with each other. Many of his former backup QBs speculated that this was a big factor in helping to prevent injuries.
Pretty smart, and something I've never really thought about.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Are you not suppose to be stirring up things in that "other" thread? hehehehehQuarterback???
We don't need no stinkin' Quarterback!
Just snap the ball directly to Peterson.
We'd use the extra position to add another lineman to protect him. Maybe a second LT.
It's bound to be just as easy to teach him to throw and dodge the onslaught of defenders as it is to find a QB to do it.
:::J/K guys...don't flame me!:::
Porky
Hall of Fame
If Matt Schaub becomes Chris Chandelier do you want to leave the most important position on the team to a journeyman, or someone who has now proven he can take the reins and perform decently?
Chester Taylor = Dominick Davis when healthy.
Nope, I'm not going to bet my season on the ability of Schaub to stay healthy. We can get a Chester Taylor in the 4th or 5th round in a deep class. He is decent, but not special.
Now, Taylor plus one of their 3rd's MIGHT get my attention. That would allow us to solve the RB problem at least in the short term, and the extra 3rd could be used in a variety of ways - a LT, C, CB, S, LB, or well...even a new backup QB.
Chester Taylor = Dominick Davis when healthy.
Nope, I'm not going to bet my season on the ability of Schaub to stay healthy. We can get a Chester Taylor in the 4th or 5th round in a deep class. He is decent, but not special.
Now, Taylor plus one of their 3rd's MIGHT get my attention. That would allow us to solve the RB problem at least in the short term, and the extra 3rd could be used in a variety of ways - a LT, C, CB, S, LB, or well...even a new backup QB.
BeerTastesLikeVictory
Custom Title
Quarterback???
We don't need no stinkin' Quarterback!
Just snap the ball directly to Peterson.
We'd use the extra position to add another lineman to protect him. Maybe a second LT.
It's bound to be just as easy to teach him to throw and dodge the onslaught of defenders as it is to find a QB to do it.
:::J/K guys...don't flame me!:::
Seems to work for the Titans
Wasn't one of the big selling points for Kubiak, Smith, and now Gibbs, that they can find gems at RB in the late rounds and make them pro bowlers because of the ZBS? We now have THE guru of the ZBS on our staff. It makes NO sense to me to go trading a very good backup QB for a former 5th round RB with some mileage on him. I am also concerned with Schaubs shoulder. The Texans have a history of things not going as planned with players coming off of surgery. It would take what we gave to get Schaub for me to trade Sgae this year. With or without swapping 1st round draft position.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
it must be slow if this thread was reborn to 3 pages so quickly
Hervoyel
BUENO!
If Matt Schaub becomes Chris Chandelier do you want to leave the most important position on the team to a journeyman, or someone who has now proven he can take the reins and perform decently?
Chester Taylor = Dominick Davis when healthy.
Nope, I'm not going to bet my season on the ability of Schaub to stay healthy. We can get a Chester Taylor in the 4th or 5th round in a deep class. He is decent, but not special.
Now, Taylor plus one of their 3rd's MIGHT get my attention. That would allow us to solve the RB problem at least in the short term, and the extra 3rd could be used in a variety of ways - a LT, C, CB, S, LB, or well...even a new backup QB.
Regardless of whether we trade Sage Rosenfels, or not.
Regardless of whether Matt Schaub is fragile, or not.
Regardless of whether Chester Taylor is all he's made out to be, or not.
We are in deep doo-doo if Sage Rosenfels is the long term solution at QB in the event that the Matt Schaub Project doesn't go as planned. If we traded Sage tomorrow for "whatever" and then Matt went down (for good) we would be looking for a new QB in the very next draft. Whoever is our backup would be a stop-gap measure and nothing more.
I am certain that Gary Kubiak likes Sage a lot. I don't doubt for a moment that he respects him and hopes that Sage gets what he wants (which is obviously to start for an NFL team).
Gary is not going to start Sage Rosenfels on a regular basis.
It's not going to happen no matter how bad anyone wants to see it. It would make fools of both Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak who went out and traded for Matt Schaub when they already had Sage at a bargain price. That they went out and traded for Schaub in the first place says volumes about the odds of Rosenfels ever starting here. If Sage's value is high then he will be traded if it can make the Texans a better team. I'd bet the farm on it.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I would hope that this would not factor in for their decision one way or the other. Otherwise, we'd be repeating what other entities previously allowed for 5 long years.