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threetoedpete said:
The big question I have this afternoon is all of you Turner the burner guys...with this board do you still send picks to San Deigo for him ? I'm counting ten guys I'd be pleased with if they drafted them.
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Turner isn't a RFA so no picks would be sent to San Deigo.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Forte ran 4.51 and 4.55
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Those are good number for his size. Jets won a Sb with a tweener...Washinton and Miami with Zonka... What I wanna know is are all the Turner the burner guys willing to give up picks to get the guy ? I mean with this draft board...I see no logic in going out and paying for a vet RB.

The guy who really got screwed was Rassum the steelers return man. They sent him adrift in a market flooded with smurfs with speed.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/buzz.html

summary is up...is their a place with just the forties ?
 
Hoth-Boy said:
McFadden goes 4.33 for his 2nd pass.
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If no one trades ahead of Atlanta, they'll have to take McFadden with the 4th pick. But, they'll still need a QB. If one of the "Big 3 QB's" are still available, I could see us trading down from #18 to pick up Atlanta's two 2nd's & other considerations.

With those two 2nd's we could take Tracy Porter (CB) or BPA (OT) & Charles Godfrey (CB) or Kevin Smith (RB). That'd be a pretty good haul for trading down.
 
Hottoddie said:
If no one trades ahead of Atlanta, they'll have to take McFadden with the 4th pick. But, they'll still need a QB. If one of the "Big 3 QB's" are still available, I could see us trading down from #18 to pick up Atlanta's two 2nd's & other considerations.
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Atlanta's got the third pick, and if Ryan is still there (which is realistic), I think they go with him there. I'm not sure Ryan's worth the #3 pick, but they've got tickets to sell, and total garbage as the current QB options.
 
Mcfadden is incredible that's all I have to say but Mendenhall and Stewart were awesome as well and I think taking them in the 1st round is highly justified if they go that route. I would hope the texans trade back to the end of round #1 and pick up a 2nd round pick and draft RB Ray Rice in round #2. Ray Rice was impressive and he has more speed than expected and he is load for his size I think he is the guy if we can't trade back if not draft mendenhall or stewart in round #1.
 
if Ryan & McFadden are there @ #3 they could always seek a trade down & addrress other needs, I'm sure someone would be interested in McFadden. (ask Jerry Jones) :thinking:
 
Name Time
Johnson, Chris 4.24
McFadden, Darren 4.33
Alridge, Anthony 4.36
Charles, Jamaal 4.38
Simpson, Chad 4.42
Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45
Forte, Matt 4.46
Jones, Felix 4.47
Parmele, Jalen 4.47
Stewart, Jonathan 4.48
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers
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FWIW this is what NFL.COM has at its website for RB 40 times.
 
This has to be the greatest RB class in draft history. Look at the quality of backs from 1 - 10. There is no way that we are going to draft a running back in the first round.
 
nunusguy said:
Name Time
Johnson, Chris 4.24
McFadden, Darren 4.33
Alridge, Anthony 4.36
Charles, Jamaal 4.38
Simpson, Chad 4.42
Mendenhall, Rashard 4.45
Forte, Matt 4.46
Jones, Felix 4.47
Parmele, Jalen 4.47
Stewart, Jonathan 4.48
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers
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FWIW this is what NFL.COM has at its website for RB 40 times.
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That list doesn't look right.

Why would they list everybody's worst time except list Johnson's best time?

The average time is what should be listed.
 
bah007 said:
That list doesn't look right.

Why would they list everybody's worst time except list Johnson's best time?

The average time is what should be listed.
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Those were unofficial times that were announced at the combine. These are probably the official times.
 
infantrycak said:
RB is not a need position for Atlanta except as depth. Jerious Norwood has looked very good.
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Agreed, But BPA comes into play at this level. They can always trade Norwood to us & take McFadden. Back to the trade, #18 for their two 2nd's & other considerations (Norwood). Hehe, just reaching for straws.
 
tulexan said:
This has to be the greatest RB class in draft history. Look at the quality of backs from 1 - 10. There is no way that we are going to draft a running back in the first round.
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I liked Forte but then they added he probably moved himself up into 2nd rd. consideration. sure wish we still had our 2nd rd. pick a 1-2-3 of CB Flowers, RB Forte & OT Cousins would be sweet indeed :pirate:
 
Hottoddie said:
Agreed, But BPA comes into play at this level. They can always trade Norwood to us & take McFadden. Back to the trade, #18 for their two 2nd's & other considerations (Norwood). Hehe, just reaching for straws.
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I'd take that trade (for their 2nds). But I don't think ATL is going to give them up. They've released so many people are are strictly rebuilding their team right now. I think THEY would be wise to keep them. Sedrick Ellis at #3; Flacco/Henne with their 1st 2nd rounder; Matt Forte with their 2nd 2nd rounder. They could be looking at OL with one of their 2nd rounders though.
 
beerlover said:
I liked Forte but then they added he probably moved himself up into 2nd rd. consideration. sure wish we still had our 2nd rd. pick a 1-2-3 of CB Flowers, RB Forte & OT Cousins would be sweet indeed :pirate:
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It's really too bad. He is going to be a stud in the league. The 40 time was probably icing on the cake for a lot of scouts/coaches because I'm sure he nailed all of his interviews. Megan Manfull said that the Texans will be meeting with him some time at the Combine this week.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I'd take that trade (for their 2nds). But I don't think ATL is going to give them up. They've released so many people are are strictly rebuilding their team right now. I think THEY would be wise to keep them. Sedrick Ellis at #3; Flacco/Henne with their 1st 2nd rounder; Matt Forte with their 2nd 2nd rounder. They could be looking at OL with one of their 2nd rounders though.
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I hate it when someone uses rational thinking. :D
 
Hottoddie said:
If no one trades ahead of Atlanta, they'll have to take McFadden with the 4th pick. But, they'll still need a QB. If one of the "Big 3 QB's" are still available, I could see us trading down from #18 to pick up Atlanta's two 2nd's & other considerations.

With those two 2nd's we could take Tracy Porter (CB) or BPA (OT) & Charles Godfrey (CB) or Kevin Smith (RB). That'd be a pretty good haul for trading down.
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Look for them to nab Hennie from Michangan in the second.
 
threetoedpete said:
That's what I'm thinking also. There's more than one Qb in the draft. There are 119 of them.
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And no QB in the class is a cant miss ready to start yesterday. If you can be patent, which Atlanta can because they are no where near ready, then nab McFadden in the 1st and get Henne in the 2nd. Makes more sense to me. But, Id trade down if I were them. Just my :twocents:
 
These are my opinions of who has helped & hurt their stock the most so far in the combine:

HELPED
QB
Kevin O'Connell - looked very athletic
Colt Brennan - didnt look bad & his added weight is a very good thing for him

HB (a lot of good performers here)
Darren McFadden - probably locked himself into the top 5 with his 40 time
Jalen Parmele - put up some way better numbers than expected

FB
Carl Stewart - had an awesome combine for a FB
Peyton Hillis - cemented his spot as the #1 FB

WR
Eddie Royal - had a great overall combine
Limas Sweed - better than expected 40 locked him into the 1st round
Andre Caldwell - put up a lot of good times

TE
Dustin Keller - stole the show
Brad Cottam - excellent 40 for his size

OT
Jake Long - not outstanding, but locked himself into the top 5
Jerramy Zuttah - high bench reps plus a sub-5 40

OG
Branden Albert - solidified his spot as the #1 OG with a good combine

C
Mike Pollak - may have jumped Justice as the #1 C

HURT
QB
Andre Woodson - may have taken a hit for not working out according to Mayock

HB
Mike Hart - everyone knew that his athleticism was limited, but it still hurts to see it at the combine
Anthony Alridge - at his size, his 40 must be a lot better at his Pro Day

WR
Mario Manningham - I've said this guy was overrated for over a year, and so far, I still think I'm right

TE
Jermichael Finley - absolutely terrible numbers at the combine for a guy as "athletic" as him
Fred Davis - still the #1 TE, but not a 1st-rounder anymore, if he ever was

Couldn't watch OL drills so that's all I got.
 
Lucky said:
Better than 4.36?

He ran almost the same time as Sweed, at 217 lbs. He helped his stock, if anything.
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Alridge is about 5-9, 175 lbs.

So yes, I believe that a 4.36 wasnt fast enough for him.

And I think I wrote that Nelson didnt do any damage to his stock. I, personally, just thought that he was gonna run faster.
 
bah007 said:
And I think I wrote that Nelson didnt do any damage to his stock. I, personally, just thought that he was gonna run faster.
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Well, you had Nelson listed under your "Hurt" category. Seems to me me, you thought he had hurt his stock, while Sweed running the same time at the same weight "locked" his 1st round position.

Alridge is what he is. A mid-late round returner/slot receiver/3rd down back. And 4.36 is plenty fast enough to get drafted.
 
Don't know if this has been posted:

*A defensive back to keep a look out for is Marcus Griffin of Texas. He is the twin brother of Mike Griffin the former first rounder taken last year. The Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans had great interviews with him and many here have added him to must interview list. It will be interesting to see his work out. If he is athletic as his brother, he will force many scouts back to his game tape. This could be much like Dawan Landy (5th rounder two years ago) and LaRon Landry (6th overall last year) as the next dynamic brother duo at safety. The safety spot is deemed weak this year, so any surprise numbers may force a move up draft boards.
 
Lucky said:
Well, you had Nelson listed under your "Hurt" category. Seems to me me, you thought he had hurt his stock, while Sweed running the same time at the same weight "locked" his 1st round position.

Alridge is what he is. A mid-late round returner/slot receiver/3rd down back. And 4.36 is plenty fast enough to get drafted.
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Well I'll just remove Nelson since i confused you. I said that he didnt hurt his stock, I just thought he ran slower than expected.

Sweed was a borderline 1st rounder until he ran faster than expected.

I love Nelson, but I thought he would run faster, so he disappointed me a little bit.

I wasnt comparing them.

And Alridge is what he is. Who said he wouldnt get drafted?
 
bah007 said:
Well I'll just remove Nelson since i confused you. I said that he didnt hurt his stock, I just thought he ran slower than expected.

Sweed was a borderline 1st rounder until he ran faster than expected.

I love Nelson, but I thought he would run faster, so he disappointed me a little bit.

I wasnt comparing them.

And Alridge is what he is. Who said he wouldnt get drafted?
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I wouldn't be too worried about Nelson's 40 time. Sub-4.6 for his size, style, and smooth route running is perfectly fine. Remember this guy is a possession receiver with an athletic body. He caught 122 passes in his senior year for something liek 1,600 yards. I think Nelson may be the most productive receiver in his rookie year in the NFL. Of course, that is a complete estimation confisidering I don't even know where he will end up. I'm very impressed with Nelson.

Right now it looks like Jordy Nelson, Early Doucet, and Malcolm Kelly are at the top of my receiver list. Followed relatively closely by Limas Sweed and Andre Caldwell (too bad he is a Gator). I am not too high on DeSean Jackson. Jackson seems like a Ted Ginn Jr. with less football IQ and worse hands.

I'd also like to add that Manningham is going to be a good WR in the NFL IMO. He just knows how to beat his man. He may not run a fast forty, but I bet you he burns some NFL corners in his rookie year.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I wouldn't be too worried about Nelson's 40 time. Sub-4.6 for his size, style, and smooth route running is perfectly fine. Remember this guy is a possession receiver with an athletic body. He caught 122 passes in his senior year for something liek 1,600 yards. I think Nelson may be the most productive receiver in his rookie year in the NFL. Of course, that is a complete estimation confisidering I don't even know where he will end up. I'm very impressed with Nelson.

Right now it looks like Jordy Nelson, Early Doucet, and Malcolm Kelly are at the top of my receiver list. Followed relatively closely by Limas Sweed and Andre Caldwell (too bad he is a Gator). I am not too high on DeSean Jackson. Jackson seems like a Ted Ginn Jr. with less football IQ and worse hands.

I'd also like to add that Manningham is going to be a good WR in the NFL IMO. He just knows how to beat his man. He may not run a fast forty, but I bet you he burns some NFL corners in his rookie year.
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I'm not worried at all about Nelson. I just thought that this would be his chance to go out there and make some people say wow, but he didnt run as fast as I thought he would. It's not a knock against him. In truth, he reminds me a little bit of this guy named Wes Welker....

He'll be a good pro.
 
Gosselin's list of combine snubs.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/022508dnspogosselin.3a0d323.html

Michigan State's Jonal Saint-Dic was one of the NCAA's premier pass rushers last season. His 10 sacks earned him a spot on the All-Big Ten team, and he set a conference record with eight forced fumbles. Yet Saint-Dic was not one of 33 defensive ends invited to the combine.

"This is hard," said Saint-Dic by phone. "I don't know what else I could have done. I sacked quarterbacks, broke records. I make plays. The stats don't lie."

Saint-Dic collected one of his sacks against Michigan, lining up against Jake Long, a two-time All-American regarded as the best offensive tackle in this draft. Long projects as a top-10 overall pick this April and is at the combine.

"This keeps me motivated," Saint-Dic said. "Football is football. Give me an opportunity, and I know what I can do."
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It's a good read.
 
Vinny said:
and only a couple of them may eventually start in the NFL if you look at the drafts historically. Pick as many as you like.
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Well Vinny I think there will be more than a couple lock down starter positions in this group. I'm not tring and I count four.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
He said he'd never go to USC . We now no why ... he hates Trojans .
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Wish I could find a picture, but when I was at Cal and we were playing USC folks would wear t-shirts with a bear dangling a little trojan soldier over a toilet with the caption--After Use, Properly Dispose of Trojans.
 
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