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A little more than 24 hours after entering a plea of "Not Guilty" to the charges, one of Mike Vick's Co-Defendants, Tony Taylor, will be entering a guilty plea Monday before Federal Judge Henry Hudson.

The Plea Hearing was added to Hudson's Monday Docket late Friday afternoon.

The Feds claim that Taylor located the Surrey County property purchased by Vick and used it as the site of "Bad Newz Kennels," a dogfighting enterprise. The Hampton man also allegedly helped purchase pit bulls and killed at least two dogs that fared poorly in test fights.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/27/0728plea.html

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Adios Ookie...... When a member of your "crew" cops the plea, you know you are toast.
 
ESPN said that more indictments will be coming at the end of August.

Things are not looking up for Mr. Vick.
 
the wonger need food said:
And we still haven't heard from Devon Broddie...
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I think the Superceding Indictment was the "straw that broke the camel's back."

Its a "No Brainer"...Tony rats out Vick, maybe some others, does a few years, and he doesn't have the IRS, civil forfeiture, and other new counts tacked on to him.
 
Double Barrel said:
ESPN said that more indictments will be coming at the end of August.

Things are not looking up for Mr. Vick.
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With Vick's upcoming conviction, he won't be able to play in the NFL, but Arthur Blank will feel sorry for him and offer him a job...

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well if this guy pleaded 'not guilty' on thursday and changed his tune not even 24 hours later, this doesn't bode well for Vick at all.

the guy who pleaded guilty is a prior felon long-time close friend of Vick. If he is pleading guilty to the indictment charges then there are numerous instances within the current indictment that will have him testifying AGAINST Vick in MV's trial. I also found it very interesting that he had a different lawyer than Vick and he was not part of the Vick legal team. I figured Vick would finance all the co-defendants trials so they could have one consistent voice and battle plan.

I thought Vick was 98% guilty when I woke up this morning...after this guy flipping within 24 hours, I gotta say he is 99.9% guilty now.
 
Granted the guy pleading guilty might not have much in the way of credibility, but I am sure there is a paper trail. Purchasing the home and property, paying for the buildings in the back to be built, and tape of him at a dog fight. The hangmans gallow is being constructed (metaphor only) and his name is being carved into it.
 
KJ3 said:
or maybe he will just accept the ***** role and walk around holding his man's pocket in the lunch line. maybe he can buy some security?
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Anyone who's ever seen "Scared Straight" knows that this is funny stuff.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If MV goes to prison he will probably not be touched...
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I agree. To many in prison, Vick would still be a hero for his football glory, who happened to end up one of them. If warranted, he would be protected if he couldn't defend himself. I read that Jim Bakker was able to off Bubba, so Vick would be ok.
 
You guys watch too much tv. There's a heirarchy of power inside and all they care about is making sure the new guy knows who's in charge and they assert their power sometimes in painful ways. Ain't no big money wannabe gangsta thug with a pretty face gonna hold no sway there.

All you Vick supporters can help by sending Mike lots of soap-on-a-rope.
 
Vick is being sued for $63 BILLION dollars...

"As if Michael Vick didn't have enough troubles, he may have to fork over $63 billion — that's billion, with a B — if one Jonathan Lee Riches prevails in court.......

The lawsuit does not explain what landed Riches in the clink, but does spell out a number of dastardly allegations: that Vick supposedly stole Riches' dogs for dogfighting purposes, opened credit cards in Riches' name and stole his copyrighted property. ("Mr. Vick uses my name to sell T-shirts," the suit alleges at one point).

Riches claims that Vick used the proceeds from the sale of the stolen dogs to purchase missles from the Iranian government, that he has "plead (sic) allegiance to Al-quaeda" and has subjected Riches to "microwave testing."

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/s...kbrite_0727.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

No, I didn't make ANY of that up... :splits:
 
Koolaid Time said:
Vick is being sued for $63 BILLION dollars...

"As if Michael Vick didn't have enough troubles, he may have to fork over $63 billion — that's billion, with a B — if one Jonathan Lee Riches prevails in court.......

The lawsuit does not explain what landed Riches in the clink, but does spell out a number of dastardly allegations: that Vick supposedly stole Riches' dogs for dogfighting purposes, opened credit cards in Riches' name and stole his copyrighted property. ("Mr. Vick uses my name to sell T-shirts," the suit alleges at one point).

Riches claims that Vick used the proceeds from the sale of the stolen dogs to purchase missles from the Iranian government, that he has "plead (sic) allegiance to Al-quaeda" and has subjected Riches to "microwave testing."

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/s...kbrite_0727.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

No, I didn't make ANY of that up... :splits:
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Wow. I'm not even going to read the article and assume this is just a joke.
 
Now that is funny. Could I sue because vick stole my innocence as to football players all being heros?
 
Red_Zone said:
You guys watch too much tv. There's a heirarchy of power inside and all they care about is making sure the new guy knows who's in charge and they assert their power sometimes in painful ways. Ain't no big money wannabe gangsta thug with a pretty face gonna hold no sway there.

All you Vick supporters can help by sending Mike lots of soap-on-a-rope.
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I am not a Vick supporter although I am choosing to step back and let the allegations play out in our court system. Then I will support the decision of the jury.

I could be wrong, but I believe there are certain people that are liked or have credibility with even the toughest of prisoners. I never heard of the other Mike (Tyson) having any soap issues.
 
Red_Zone said:
You guys watch too much tv. There's a heirarchy of power inside and all they care about is making sure the new guy knows who's in charge and they assert their power sometimes in painful ways. Ain't no big money wannabe gangsta thug with a pretty face gonna hold no sway there.

All you Vick supporters can help by sending Mike lots of soap-on-a-rope.
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A guy with some kind of underworld/gang connections and millions of dollars will have nothing to worry about in prison. The man can hire any muscle he wants.

The guards will probably be bringing him hookers and weed by the first week.
 
I still get sick at the way those dogs were killed.

Whatever punishment he receives, either anally or financially, it will never be enough in my opinion.
 
LMBH said:
I am not a Vick supporter although I am choosing to step back and let the allegations play out in our court system. Then I will support the decision of the jury.

I could be wrong, but I believe there are certain people that are liked or have credibility with even the toughest of prisoners. I never heard of the other Mike (Tyson) having any soap issues.
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I hardly think you can make any accurate comparison between Vick and Tyson in this area. Tyson grew up in the "Real" hood and learned to fight at an early age and spent his youth in and out of juvenile detention and other trouble. Vick lived in a poor neighborhood too but spent his youth in the local boys and girls club tossing footballs around.

A quarterback at least has an offensive line in front of him to protect him and he gets to run away from the guys that want to cream his butt. Tyson didn't have anyone between him and his opponents and his job was to face them and fight.

So no, I don't expect "Iron Mike" had too many problems with the soap in doing his prison time. On the other hand Vick has never faced any truly tough opposition. Even criminals have some values they hold to which is why child molesters and killers rarely last long in prison, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that animal abusers and especially dog killers rank pretty close to pedophiles in prison.

It may be true that Vick can buy some protection, but who's he gonna buy it from? He's not gonna know anyone when he first gets there so we'll just have to wait and see.

Mainly I'm just having a little fun with this line of reasoning but there's probably a little wishful thinking in there too as there are few things on earth that are lower to me than someone who would torture and abuse an innocent animal, especially domestic animals like dogs, cats, birds etc.
 
Red_Zone said:
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that animal abusers and especially dog killers rank pretty close to pedophiles in prison.
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While abusing dogs in the manner Vick is accused of doing is certainly despicable and sadistic, I can't even begin to put it near the same universe of the acts of a pedophile. Are you saying you do ?
 
nunusguy said:
While abusing dogs in the manner Vick is accused of doing is certainly despicable and sadistic, I can't even begin to put it near the same universe of the acts of a pedophile. Are you saying you do ?
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No, not at all. Certainly the abuse of children ranks way above or worse than what Vick is accused of doing. I was just saying that it's possible that in prison an abuser, killer of and torturer of animals may be viewed as someone to "target" for a taste of their own medicine much like is commonly thought to happen to Child abusers and pedophiles in prison.
 
Red_Zone said:
No, not at all. Certainly the abuse of children ranks way above or worse than what Vick is accused of doing. I was just saying that it's possible that in prison an abuser, killer of and torturer of animals may be viewed as someone to "target" for a taste of their own medicine much like is commonly thought to happen to Child abusers and pedophiles in prison.
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Actually RZ, he will probably be sperated from Gen Population(should he be convicted). Those seperated from Gen Pop are those that would be bothered, injured, or simply are unable to be there. Typically child molestors, rapists, celebrities, and the mentally ill(in theor own area) fall into this category.
 
Red_Zone said:
No, not at all. Certainly the abuse of children ranks way above or worse than what Vick is accused of doing. I was just saying that it's possible that in prison an abuser, killer of and torturer of animals may be viewed as someone to "target" for a taste of their own medicine much like is commonly thought to happen to Child abusers and pedophiles in prison.
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I gotta tell you, I think you've off base on this one. Actually you might be a bit on the naive side if you really think cons in the pen have some kind of
sympathy for animals that are mistreated by their owners. I just don't think a lot of these guys have that kind of sensitively for our furry friends, or human beings for that matter. Except for pedofiles, where it is well know that cons do have their won brand of justice.
 
Let the squeeling begin....

"RICHMOND, Va. — One of Michael Vick's co-defendants pleaded guilty to dogfighting charges Monday in Richmond federal court, in a plea agreement with prosecutors.

Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Va., entered his plea in U.S. District Court to conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities, and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.

Taylor also agreed to cooperate with federal prosecutors. Taylor said he was not promised any specific sentence in return for his cooperation with the government.

U.S District Judge Henry Hudson asked Taylor, "You're pleading guilty and taking your chances, right?"

Taylor responded, "Yes."""

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291389,00.html

"T" has some testicles--not having a deal lined up in term of sentencing. He will be sentenced AFTER Vick's trial. So he must be handing the Feds the "Keys to the Kennel/Kingdom."

If he gets a light sentence, expect him to be placed in the Witness Protection Program and given the job as a peanut vendor at Florida Marlins games. (nobody goes to the games, so he won't be spotted).

"T" knows how the whole deal went down. I expect "P-Funk" to be the next to join the "Rat Patrol" because he has the goods on the alleged dope dealing involving Vick.
 
If it wasn't bad enough, here you go.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2954244

One of Michael Vick's co-defendants pleaded guilty Monday to his role in a dogfighting conspiracy he says was financed almost entirely by the Atlanta Falcons quarterback....................

"The 'Bad Newz Kennels' operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick," a summary of facts supporting the plea agreement and signed by Taylor states.
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I feel sorry for this cat, the hood doesn't like snitching under any circumstances. Expect for something to happen to this guy within the next 6 months.
 
I have been checking out a Falcons board to see the meltdown over Vick and came across this little quote.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "I was wondering when it was going to run out of gas."

Falcons tight end Alge Crumpler, regarding a plane that flew over the team's first practice with a tail-banner that read: "Falcons New Name: Dog Killers."
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http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=260524


That has got to get to Blank, the Falcons owner.

Now check out a Falcons fan reaction to the plane and banner.

Oh ok. Now it's totally ######in understandable that someone would pay the insane amount of money to print up a giant canvas banner and rent an airplane for the whole day.
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Does anyone remember the old 80's song "The Final Countdown".

I have had that tune stuck in my head, but with the words "Falcons meltdown"
 
Koolaid Time said:
"T" has some testicles--not having a deal lined up in term of sentencing. He will be sentenced AFTER Vick's trial. So he must be handing the Feds the "Keys to the Kennel/Kingdom."
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Heard a legal analyst today on the radio say that to him the fact that there was no definate promise of a short term sentence indicated to him that the feds had evidence so strong on this guy he folded and copped a plea just in HOPES of the court showing mercy at sentencing because of him saving the court the expense of trying him.

So if that's true no testicles were required, just a very real fear of the maximum prison sentence. Also if that is true it doesn't bode well for Mr Vick at all. Actually no matter what the reason it doesn't bode well for Vick that one of his "boys" has pleaded guilty and is pointing the finger solidly at Vick.
 
Elle said:
Perhaps they are just less rich scumbags trying to find an out.
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Could you blame them? Maybe Vick should have provided his co-conspiritors with high priced attorneys like he has and this wouldn't have happened. After all he provided the house, the kennels, the trainers and the money for the whole operation, only fair that he pay for everyones attorney.
 
Red_Zone said:
So if that's true no testicles were required, just a very real fear of the maximum prison sentence. Also if that is true it doesn't bode well for Mr Vick at all. Actually no matter what the reason it doesn't bode well for Vick that one of his "boys" has pleaded guilty and is pointing the finger solidly at Vick.
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If you look at the the bottom of page 1 and top of page 2 of the TT Plea Agreement, you can see what is in store in terms of the Superceding Indictment of Vick. Taylor essentially pled guilty to a racketerring violation of 18 USC 1952. Notice they didn't specify subsections (a)(1) (2) or (3).

18 U.S.C. § 1952. Interstate and foreign travel or transportation in aid of racketeering enterprises

(a) Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses the mail or any facility in interstate or foreign commerce, with intent to-
(1) distribute the proceeds of any unlawful activity; or
(2) commit any crime of violence to further any unlawful activity; or
(3) otherwise promote, manage, establish, carry on, or facilitate the promotion, management, establishment, or carrying on, of any unlawful activity,
and thereafter performs or attempts to perform-
(A) an act described in paragraph (1) or (3) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both; or
( B ) an act described in paragraph (2) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

In the Superceding Indictment I think they will try to nail Vick under (2) commit any crime of violence to further any unlawful activity, which is 20 years in the Federal Pen, as well as a possible marijuana distribution charge. There are just too many connections between Vick, his crew, and the "Wacky Weed"... Remember this same "crew" was arrested with a pound of pot in a pickup truck registered to Mr. Mike Vick.
 
Red_Zone said:
Heard a legal analyst today on the radio say that to him the fact that there was no definate promise of a short term sentence indicated to him that the feds had evidence so strong on this guy he folded and copped a plea just in HOPES of the court showing mercy at sentencing because of him saving the court the expense of trying him.

So if that's true no testicles were required, just a very real fear of the maximum prison sentence. Also if that is true it doesn't bode well for Mr Vick at all. Actually no matter what the reason it doesn't bode well for Vick that one of his "boys" has pleaded guilty and is pointing the finger solidly at Vick.
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I heard another analyst suggest that this guy could have a wink deal with the prosecutors. Since he won't get sentenced until December, the prosecutors can hold it over his head until he gives his testimony and ensure that his testimony against Vick is strong and doesn't waiver.
 
Or better yet, for those who wish to continue to reduntdantly make their points, they can go to the Falcon's Board.

These should either be locked or moved to NSZ. It's getting old. DB is right. There is nothing football related here.
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There is no Falcons football here, why would they want to see this

This is the best damn criminal football subject since OJ

I still say lock him in a room with 10 of those starving abused dogs and let them have thier justice. No pads
 
The reason the Feds didn't make a deal with Tony Taylor is that if they make a deal with him, it sullies his testimony and the defense can then make him out to be someone who is implicating Vick to save his own arse. Due to the fact that there is no promises and no guarantees, now the defense attorneys will have a harder time pointing this out to the jury. They will still attempt to use it against Tony Taylor, but it will not hold as much water. Taylor will end up getting a lessened charge and the kingpin and financier, ConVick, will get hosed.

This is basic Law101. One thing that some people may not realize is that Tony Taylor and Vick have not gotten along for the past couple years. There has been a rift between them and Taylor was immediately evicted by Vick from the 'house' once all this stuff hit the fan. If the defense is skilled, they could use this to help Vick. Not exactly a spurned lover, but it could play well to the jury.

I found it very telling that Vick and the other 2 codefendants came in with fine Italian suits and expensive lawyers while Taylor came in with blue jeans and a yellow t-shirt and a local lawyer on the cheap. It seems that it is a house divided in VickLand and ironically this could cheapen Taylor's testimony. There are some avenues for the Vick defense to go against Taylor.

Vick sounded like a moron on the radio yesterday that is for sure. He kept referring to himself in the 3rd person and kept on mentioning God for the sympathy vote. It was quite lame. He is fooling himself if thinks he will get even a sniff of the league this year. The only thing he is going to be sniffing is body odor, butt cheese, and ball sacks of his fellow inmates come 2008.

Congratulations Vick, you lose in life.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Taylor will end up getting a lessened charge and the kingpin and financier, ConVick, will get hosed.
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Taylor is not going to have his charge lessened--he has already plead guilty. The question will be in the sentencing. Having said that, what he plead to was the original indictment with a superseding indictment on the way which will undoubtedly carry many more charges on top of what was alleged originally against Taylor.

Second Honeymoon said:
One thing that some people may not realize is that Tony Taylor and Vick have not gotten along for the past couple years. There has been a rift between them and Taylor was immediately evicted by Vick from the 'house' once all this stuff hit the fan.
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Well kind of. Taylor's rift was with one of the co-indictees other than Vick. Vick continued to let Taylor live in the house the past three years--he just didn't continue participating in Bad Newz Kennels.
 
awtysst said:
Actually RZ, he will probably be sperated from Gen Population(should he be convicted). Those seperated from Gen Pop are those that would be bothered, injured, or simply are unable to be there. Typically child molestors, rapists, celebrities, and the mentally ill(in theor own area) fall into this category.
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You mean like Jeffrey Dahmer? Worked real well for him didn't it.
 
Celebrating its 50th Anniversary in Atlanta, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference is Honoring Mike Vick....

Published on: 08/03/07

"When the SCLC gathers this week to honor the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr., and the promise of Barack Obama, the presence of at least one more major figure will loom large – Michael Vick.

During a press conference announcing the opening of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference's 49th annual convention to celebrate the organization's 50th year, president Charles Steele noted that the organization would find some way to honor and recognize the embattled Falcon's quarterback who is under federal indictment on dogfighting charges.

"We will work with anyone who opens their heart and arms to us," said Steele"

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/08/03/vicksclc_0804.html

:wild: This is pure Insanity... :gun:

and they wonder why the King Family doesn't want anything to do with the SCLC...
 
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