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Schaub Listed As Top Breakout Star for 2007
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
The poll results didn't necessarily bode well, but who cares... 
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
I could see it happen. I think Ahman Green is really going to help Schaub out. Green can be a threat to catch the ball out of the backfield and supposedly Green is looking as good as he ever has. Sherman said as much and Sherman coached him during his MVP-type years in Green Bay.
hopefully we can convince Keenan that Houston is a better place for him than Washington. Then we would have a solid offense going into Week1.
hopefully we can convince Keenan that Houston is a better place for him than Washington. Then we would have a solid offense going into Week1.
Texans Horror
All Pro
I'm all for it. The Texans need Matt to have a break-out year. He will be helped by Green, though I don't necessarily take Sherman's comments to heart. Green is one of Sherman's guys - brought to Green Bay by Sherman and now brought to Houston. I wouldn't expect him to publicly criticize Green.
That being said, I think that for the Texans to succeed, it is critical that at least the following other players have a break-out year:
Mario Williams
Amobi Okoye
Jacoby Jones
Salaam/Black
Dunta Robinson
Kevin Walter
Jason Babin
Travis Johnson
Flanagan
Winston
These players need to do as well as they did last year:
Ron Dayne (he needs to perform as well as he did at the end of last season)
Demeco Ryans
Maddux
Andre Johnson
Owen Daniels
Putzier
Chester Pitts
I think that covers just about everybody except for Mathis (who knows if he will see the field?), a few defensive backs (who I don't follow very well), and a couple of linebackers (who again, I don't follow well).
That being said, I think that for the Texans to succeed, it is critical that at least the following other players have a break-out year:
Mario Williams
Amobi Okoye
Jacoby Jones
Salaam/Black
Dunta Robinson
Kevin Walter
Jason Babin
Travis Johnson
Flanagan
Winston
These players need to do as well as they did last year:
Ron Dayne (he needs to perform as well as he did at the end of last season)
Demeco Ryans
Maddux
Andre Johnson
Owen Daniels
Putzier
Chester Pitts
I think that covers just about everybody except for Mathis (who knows if he will see the field?), a few defensive backs (who I don't follow very well), and a couple of linebackers (who again, I don't follow well).
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
if all those things fell into place, we would playing in the Super Bowl. If half those guys have breakout years or maintain their level of play we could be in the playoff race. just imho.
fwiw - sherman wasn't 'not criticizing' Green, he was praising Green.
R
real
Guest
Personally I think Schaub is going to be a top 10 QB next year.
I think Schaub is going to have a good year. I'm not predicting 'great', but I think he will prove the trade and contract was more than worth the price.
One thing not mentioned in the article is what a great leader he is, too.
One thing not mentioned in the article is what a great leader he is, too.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
One thing not mentioned in the article is what a great leader he is, too.
Well unfortunately he is limited to that because he is too young to mentor anyone.
Hagar
Drink up yall, its the Texans!
This link is long since trash, but this was an article about "he who shall not be named" having a breakout year last year.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5781908
7. David Carr, quarterback, Texans
Here's one for the clip and file department: I think Carr finally puts it all together this year. New Texans head coach Gary Kubiak is a quarterback guru. And in talking to Carr late last year, he was begging for guidance from someone who has played the position.
Mike Sherman takes over as the offensive line coach. And the talent along the previously pathetic Texans offensive line got much better with the signing of Mike Flannagan and the drafting of Eric Winston and Charles Spencer.
Plus, Carr has new weapons to play with. Eric Moulds is a savvy veteran who can still put up big numbers. And his presence alone should take the burden away from Andre Johnson, who I think will rebound to his All-Pro form. And don't forget about the pickup of Kubiak favorite Jeb Putzier at tight end.
If Carr plays like I think he will, Houston can win seven or eight games. This can disrupt Indianapolis from getting home-field advantage or hurt the playoff chances for the Jags if Houston can split with these teams. If Carr performs like last season, this is a four-win squad.
I hope this years prognosticator is better then last years.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5781908
7. David Carr, quarterback, Texans
Here's one for the clip and file department: I think Carr finally puts it all together this year. New Texans head coach Gary Kubiak is a quarterback guru. And in talking to Carr late last year, he was begging for guidance from someone who has played the position.
Mike Sherman takes over as the offensive line coach. And the talent along the previously pathetic Texans offensive line got much better with the signing of Mike Flannagan and the drafting of Eric Winston and Charles Spencer.
Plus, Carr has new weapons to play with. Eric Moulds is a savvy veteran who can still put up big numbers. And his presence alone should take the burden away from Andre Johnson, who I think will rebound to his All-Pro form. And don't forget about the pickup of Kubiak favorite Jeb Putzier at tight end.
If Carr plays like I think he will, Houston can win seven or eight games. This can disrupt Indianapolis from getting home-field advantage or hurt the playoff chances for the Jags if Houston can split with these teams. If Carr performs like last season, this is a four-win squad.
I hope this years prognosticator is better then last years.
Texans Horror
All Pro
You have to understand that I have high expectations of the Texans. It was my belief that the Texans last year were really going in the right direction and that with a decent offseason picking up a RB, they would likely go 8-8. To give up picks for Matt Schaub, they were saying he was the last piece needed to become play-off potential, a 9-7 team. Only tweaks after that. So yeah, I think Matt and the rest of these guys should all be having break-out years because they should be a play-off contending team.
Sherman would not criticize Green. I expect only praise to come from him.
awtysst
Draft Guru
T
If Carr plays like I think he will, Houston can win seven or eight games. This can disrupt Indianapolis from getting home-field advantage or hurt the playoff chances for the Jags if Houston can split with these teams. [/I]
I hope this years prognosticator is better then last years.
Guess what. We did win 7 games. So Carr played as well as he could and he still looked horrible. Guess what else, we did hurt the playoff chances of the Jags. I think this guy was pretty spot on. Carr did play his best, we did win 7 games, and we did irritate the Jags. Problem is Carr's best was horrible.
Dallas_Texan
Waterboy
Way off there.....Kubiak's words were "we are putting things together for a 2009 season"
TexanAddict
Texan 'til I Die
awtysst
Draft Guru
You are right. I had a brain fart!
Texans Horror
All Pro
Dang - would love that link. Would have been useful during the team in development vs. instant win thread.
I see the team as in development, but for the Schaub deal to be worth its weight, they should be a play-off contender this year.
badboy
Hall of Fame
It is interesting how we all see things and interpret it differently. I saw giving 2 second round picks for Schaub as saying Carr is not taking us where we want to go. Hmm. Who is the best alternative to get us there including QBs on our roster? Well, Schaub is if we can get Atlanta to accept the offer. Had nothing to do with saying he was the "last piece". Just another piece and a very significant one that could cost the entire coaching staff their jobs or make Kubes/ Smith coach/GM of the year.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Really?--where? What I have heard McNair and Kubiak talk about is trying to make the playoffs this year. Pretty darn sure no NFL coach is out talking about three seasons down the road as when things will come together since the average tenure for coaches is now about 3.5 years.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You don't seem to be saying the same thing consistently. You have used Schaub as an example of building for down the road rather than now and then say the above.
R
real
Guest
Same thing I was thinking...When I saw that I was like, WTF ?
I just thought he knew something the rest of us didn't...
He didn't actually say 2009, but 2007 + "a couple" = 2009 by my math. Maybe 2008 if it is read very liberally that he counted this off-season and draft. He certainly was trying to say "not this year":
Courtesy of our own Texans Chick: http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/nfl/2007/04/15/gary-kubiak-on-texans-playoffs-playoffs/
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well not really very liberal. The quote came immediately before the draft, so that is one of the couple. He later clarified his statement with a hierarchy of stages of success--winning team, playoff team, playoff caliber team (as in could seriously be expected to make a push in the playoffs) and Super Bowl caliber team.
As said elsewhere, more than half the league changed their records by 3 or more games last season. 9-7 is in the playoff hunt in the 17th week of the season and possibly in the 18th week. They sure as heck aren't trying to build this thing to have another non-winning season.
I would have been clarifying (or spinning) my statement too, right after the "Oh crap, what did I just say" thought crossed my mind.
However, I believe that of course he has a growth plan and I always wonder the context in which such statments are made.
The most important thing I take out of the quotes is this: I think he clearly understands that there were/still are holes on this team that acquiring Matt Schaub didn't solve.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Exactly.
Yes, and I think he clearly understands there always will be holes. Example from off the Texans--Rod Smith has been king in Denver for years and is becoming a serious hole that needs to be addressed for a couple years down the road. Coaches have to have a ying yang approach to immediate and long term building.
As far as clearly understanding goes, I think he also clearly understands the holes had better be getting fewer and shallower.
The holes on Denver or any "good" team don't compare to those Kubiak still faces. A good team on the decline maybe, but not a team like the Texans aspire to be.
Texans Horror
All Pro
I think it's going to take Schaub time to develop. I think the team is in development mode.
But IMO, with Carr and the second round draft pick, the Texans go 8-8 next year. So for Matt to be worth the trade, the record should reflect that, which means no less than 9-7. I don't think the Texans will go 9-7. I think they will go more like 5-11 because they are still in development. 5-11 being a worse record than 8-8, I think the Texans have essentially said "screw this year. It just isn't our year."
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So an unknown 2nd round pick would have single handedly made the team go 8-8?
Oops--now I gotcha--you're a pissed off Carr fan.
R
real
Guest
I literally LOL'd when I read this...
What exactly have we loss-- or what have we gotten worse at that leads you to believe that we will regress ?
The loss of Carr ? The loss of Moulds? The loss of Ron Dayne as the primary back ?
I don't think the Texans are realistically thinking superbowl (though ultimately that should be their goal), but I'm doubting they are thinking "screw this year"....
Texans Horror
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These players were still on the board when Atlanta took Justin Blalock (OT) with Houston's second round pick. Any of these guys would have been a huge boost this year, giving the Texans a #2 WR, a solid CB for a weak defensive secondary, or an offensive lineman to block for Matt:
Chris Houston (CB)
Sidney Rice (WR)
Dwayne Jarrett (WR)
Eric Wright (CB)
Kalil (C)
Satele (C)
As far as Carr goes, I think eventually, Matt will produce better than Carr. But I think it will take time.
What exactly have we gained? A QB who has not won a game? Kevin Walter? Black at LT?
When some of the biggest offseason moves a team makes is to replace the quarterback and get rid of the #2 wide receiver, it's a temporary (1-season) setback.
Even as good as Matt is, and I do think he is going to make a damn good QB in the NFL, he still needs Salaam and Flanagan to hold the line. He still needs AJ to be open.
Going into the offseason, the Texans had two major areas of weakness - the offensive line and the defensive secondary. I don't believe either has been effectively addressed when the team takes guys in rounds 4 - 6 for cornerback, safety, left tackle, and guard. So these are still the two major weaknesses that teams will exploit. That hasn't changed.
So I ask myself what exactly did the Texans do to show that they will perform so much better this year than last? I'm left with Ahman Green. If the Texans succeed, it will be on the shoulders of Green. Everything rides on Green and Dayne staying healthy and putting up big yards.
R
real
Guest
David threw something like 2 TD's over his last 10 games here....Me thinks it won't take any time at all for Schaub to "produce better than Carr".
Good post.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
changed and likely dramatically upgraded Qb, made significant coaching staff changes, dramatically improved the depth and talent at LB, added a veteran DT and a highly skilled and young DT, improved depth at CB, improved depth on OL (Black), added Ahman Green, returns 5 rookie starters and a rookie coaching staff....
Yeah, I guess they didn't do much to expect improvement this year...
Texans Horror
All Pro
And good point, too.
R
real
Guest
I didn't even bother to go through all that...
Sometime it reaches a point where it's pointless...
So I'll just tell 'em 'good post'....
Texans Horror
All Pro
Depth is good, but it won't help the starting team, and I'm concerned about the first 11 guys on the field.
I'll admit the linebacker was probably a good pick-up, but I'm not overly thrilled about the DT.
I'm concerned about how the Richard Smith/Frank Bush coaching duo will work out. I've heard before that Bush is the guy Kubiak really wanted originally, but couldn't get. This could lead to trouble down the line.
Adding Amobi will be great for the team, but drafting a DT is planting seeds. It takes a few years for them to really develop. Along those lines, Winston and Williams still need more time. Daniels should play a bigger role. Lundy will probably do as much as he did last year. So overall, I expect improvement from the rookies, but nothing dramatic.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
HuttoKarl
Veteran
We had no depth last season and 11 guys on the IR at the end of the year. Depth matters quite a bit.
Texans Horror
All Pro
Audie Murphy, the highly decorated WWII hero, often fought battles against vastly superior forces. But he led his men, outnumbered and outgunned as they were, to victory every time.
The moral of the story is that a good leader can elevate those around him.
The moral of the story is that a good leader can elevate those around him.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Audie Murphy, the highly decorated WWII hero, often fought battles against vastly superior forces. But he led his men, outnumbered and outgunned as they were, to victory every time.
The moral of the story is that a good leader can elevate those around him.
Love the Audie Murphy point. Most people of a certain age think of him as a movie star not that the war movies he was in were mostly based upon his real acconts of what happened, with a few hollywood belishments.
A few people here talk about Schaub being slower and less moblie than the other guy, but Manning was sacked less than any QB and he is the least mobile qb there is. It is about getting the ball out quicker and faster and on target.
Some joke abot the comments regarding all the talk about Schaub being a leader, but I would rather it be said that he is than in the 5 previous years no one ever said that about that position.
Texans Horror, why is it all on Green and Dayne? I did not know that those were the only positions on the team? To put anything on Dayne who is a back-up (capable back-up) but that is it, back-up. Sorry but football is a team sport and since Schaub touches the ball on every play he is a major factor on how the season goes as well as the play calling by Kubiak and Sherman. I am not sure why you hate Schaub so much, but how about giving him a shot before you totally rag on the guy? Is that to much to ask?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Texans Horror
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Texans Horror
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I agree with you ten-fold that football is a team sport and dependent on many players. It's a great point. That's the reason I think the team will not do as well as others think. It's not based on the inability of any one person but rather areas of the team that have been overlooked. But I think the best acquisition this offseason was Green. A BYOBlocker style of running back will be pivotal for the Texans' offense, as is a running back who can catch. If the running game (mostly Dayne and Green, IMO) can open up for the passing game, the Texans will have success. If they can't, and the Texans remain as one-dimensional as they did in the first half of last season, the passing game will not be ready to support the running game. I cannot see the Texans winning in that scenario.
I don't hate Schaub, and I do want to give him a shot. But if he throws a couple of zingers in the first game, will everybody be crying for Sage to start, or are we going to give him time to improve in the system?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Is there any QB that you would have made a move for?
Schaub was the most coveted QB out on the market.
Would you have preferred:
Plummer?
Greene?
Carr?
Garcia?
Brady Quinn?
Beck?
Kolb?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I'm not saying he was a bad choice, I'm just saying we gave up a lot for an unproven 2nd stringer when we already have an unproven 2nd stringer on the team. Is Sage as good as Schaub? Most folks think not, but I would have rather started Sage and drafted a newbie QB to train. We still haven't improved the OL, and Schaub or any QB starting for the Texas is going to feel the pain. I would have rather sacrificed Sage to the wolves while the new guy was training than to have acquired a new starting QB and throw him immediately into the game with a poor OL. If they don't improve that OL during next offseason then we'll just end up with another deer-in-the-headlights QB.
R
real
Guest
What if the Texans felt like Matt Schaub was the best option available ?
What if they think he's capable of being a top tier QB in this leauge ?
Why would they pass on a guy they felt highly about just because ?
Your reasons for passing on Schaub aren't present...
You go after the players that you think are good.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Maybe I am missing something, but what position has been over looked? The team did not have huge amounts of money to spend and with the money they did have only a few top end players available, and they went for mega bucks that the team could not afford. In the draft the addressed DT, WR, DB and OL. FA and trades they addressed LB, OT, RB and QB. No team can address every single position in the offseason. Everything the coaches have said is that they will always look to improve the team when ever they can, so that means they are not ignoring anything.
It is up to the individual if he or she wants to be jumping to the back-up before more than half of the season is played out but why put it on others and how they act during the first game if you are or not optimistic. I am very optimistic and it is not only because of Schaub but because of what Smith and Kubiac have said.
