Texans Close the Deal for Schaub: confirmed by NFLNetwork

[TexanSam]

Kiss Laron Landry goodbye if we are....


Oh well, #10 is a good spot to pick up Reggie Nelson

I thought #10 is where Landry was projected to go...Amobi Okoye would be a nice pick there. As would be Levi Brown. I don't think there's a huge drop-off from #8 to #10.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

What it tells me is Kubiak and Smith won't finish out their respective contracts. It's a bad move and it ain't going to work. But, on the positive side, that'll be the end of the DC posts. Another panic pick in a long list of panic picks by this football club. We're going to find out in spades in '07 if Mr. Pitts outrage this morning was justified or not. DC is out of the equation...that should mean palyoffs by '08 correct ?

hey man, im sorry 'your boy' is on the out but don't try and predict disaster for OUR team and OUR new QB before he has had one snap as a Texan. If you want to give Carr 5 or more years of patience, how about you give Schaub one freaking snap....now go sit in your corner

 

[threetoedpete]

Kiss Laron Landry goodbye if we are....


Oh well, #10 is a good spot to pick up Reggie Nelson

And Kolb, and Kalil...it was danged expensive...the worst was the second in '08. We go into the '08 draft in the hole one more time. Just mind boggeling.

 

[Maddict5]

What happens if we have a better record than the Falcons thus our picks would be worse than theirs but we have to swap picks and end up with better ones? Is this possible or outlined in the trade that we can't get better picks from them?

??
we're dropping from #8 to #10, giving them our 2nd and next yrs 2nd

im fine with swapping picks but its the extra 2nd that bites

 

[Mr. White]

Well, the swapping of 1sts really isn't steep, IMO- I think Atlanta is sitting at 10 so we drop two spots... My guess is the '08 pick is conditional. My concern is that a Carr trade is finalized because this trade would cause the Texans to lose a lot of leverage in dealing Carr.

Just thinking out loud here....if we kept Carr on the roster through the preseason, then there's a pretty good chance that some QB injuries could increase our leverage.

Realistically, I think that he'll just end up getting released.

 

[rollinstone18]

Not so excited any more, well still a little excited but that price for that was higher then I hoped.

I think this pretty much locks us in for D with the 1st rounder

If the above is true.

Agreed.

 

[powerfuldragon]

i called those ***** holes at 610 about a month or two ago and brought the idea up about shwab and they laughed at me and said no way we give up draft picks to get shwab next question....... well how do you like me now, i think he is great i have seen him play a couple of times when vick was out and he has alot of poise in the pocket which is something we dont have now in dc. way to go texans.

they probably laughed because you kept calling schaub shwab.

 

[TexanSam]

I bet if we offered Carr and Stanley to the Raiders we could get the top pick.

 

[srstex]

So Matt has attempted 161 pases, 81 comp ( 50% ) 6td, 6+ int, and he's the starter ? This is good for the team, BUT if we GIVE him the starter job, AND we don't go 9 -7, then this is just the FO caving into press pressure, to make something happen. Last year was this teams 4 OC in 5 years, this year Sherman, next year ? Let's not go over board, until Matt actually does something, he's at best a Romo, and at worst we are back to square one.
And for Carr, I think it would be great to see him with a new team go to the playoff's

 

[pv1999]

Man, we got hosed AGAIN. Maybe SCHWAB or SWAB or whoever will do well enough to win us a couple of games. If so he is worth it.

 

[Errant Hothy]

And Kolb, and Kalil...it was danged expensive...the worst was the second in '08. We go into the '08 draft in the hole one more time. Just mind boggeling.

Kalil wasn't going to fall to our 2nd rounder, and teh 2nd is to high to take Kolb. Plus Schaub is a better QB the Kolb.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

I thought #10 is where Landry was projected to go...Amobi Okoye would be a nice pick there. As would be Levi Brown. I don't think there's a huge drop-off from #8 to #10.

if this deal is indeed involving dropping to #10 then we will be picking between Nelson, L.Brown, Carriker, Branch, Hall, and mayyyybe Landry.

to be honest, I would be happy with any of those guys...and they may feel likewise and didnt want it to be a 'deal breaker'. i sure hope not. 2 2nd rounders or swap 1st rounders and a 2nd round pick. 2 picks and a drop is too much imho. But if Schaub ends up solidifying our QB position for the foreseeable future, I dont think any Texans fan will be that upset about it in the end.

 

[Dime]

??
we're dropping from #8 to #10, giving them our 2nd and next yrs 2nd

im fine with swapping picks but its the extra 2nd that bites

it probably conditional

 

[threetoedpete]

hey man, im sorry 'your boy' is on the out but don't try and predict disaster for OUR team and OUR new QB before he has had one snap as a Texan. If you want to give Carr 5 or more years of patience, how about you give Schaub one freaking snap....now go sit in your corner

You've just traded one DC for another one. That is all. My "boy" is off to greener pastures and I'm very happy for him. One thing about it...by '09, there's going to a whole bunch of folks finally in my band wagon there old hoss. It ain't the QB. I have every faith that Matt Scaub is going to prove that 100 % now. At least that dragon will get slain with this move on this board. You got what you wanted, and the spin this afternoon will be supurb I'm sure...what it means is that Kubes is saying to get to 500 all we needed was a new QB...We're going to see big guy. Salaam and Black are my aces in the hole.

 

[Sportsfan]

I'm down w/Shaub but don't like that we're possibly giving up a 2nd rounder this year and next year. Don't like giving up draft picks, period. No matter who is in the equation.

 

[Daonly]

We still can get Peterson or Landy or Nelson at #10 for less money.. so we are saving money. 2nd in 08 maybe conditional on how Schuabs plays, It's not official yet. Hopefully we can Get Raiders 3rd for Carr or Moss! Schuab 2 years younger than Carr by the way.

 

[Maddict5]

lol its funny how you know all the carr supporters because they're predicting all doom and gloom

 

[infantrycak]

My concern is that a Carr trade is finalized because this trade would cause the Texans to lose a lot of leverage in dealing Carr.

Funny, the guys on 790 just swapped spit agreeing to exactly the opposite--that this gave the Texans more leverage.

 

[pv1999]

So Matt has attempted 161 pases, 81 comp ( 50% ) 6td, 6+ int, and he's the starter ? This is good for the team, BUT if we GIVE him the starter job, AND we don't go 9 -7, then this is just the FO caving into press pressure, to make something happen. Last year was this teams 4 OC in 5 years, this year Sherman, next year ? Let's not go over board, until Matt actually does something, he's at best a Romo, and at worst we are back to square one.
And for Carr, I think it would be great to see him with a new team go to the playoff's

AMEN. People act like he's an illegitimate Manning brother or something.

 

[Maddict5]

it probably conditional

thats what im hoping- even if it was a 3rd next yr id be fine...plus who knows despite all the shrieks of robbery it may still look like a bargain if schaub performs as hoped

 

[texansturningthecorner]

Schaub



SORRY

 

[dalemurphy]

Funny, the guys on 790 just swapped spit agreeing to exactly the opposite--that this gave the Texans more leverage.

Those guys are idiots, huh!... It gives the Texans more freedom to trade him but I think it gives the prospective trading partner more power- am I delusional?

 

[infantrycak]

I bet if someone does the point chart, it would probably be equal to the 1st and 3rd round tender. It ends up being a fair deal, not a GOOD one.

It isn't even close. A 2nd next year is considered equivalent to a 3rd this year so in effect the value is a 2nd and 3rd this year vs. a 1st and 3rd. Our 1st rounder is worth 1400 points while our 2nd is worth about 500 pts.

 

[real]

Funny, the guys on 790 just swapped spit agreeing to exactly the opposite--that this gave the Texans more leverage.

I heard that, and I don't know if I agree....

I don't see how this gives us more leverage....


I heard them explain it, but I don't know if I really followed what they were saying...

 

[michaelm]

I hope to god we don't switch first rounders.

Dropping two spots in the first doesn't sting as bad as the 2008 second rounder for me personlly...
If we get a third for Carr in this year's draft, I'll be pretty OK with it...

 

[Second Honeymoon]

And Kolb, and Kalil...it was danged expensive...the worst was the second in '08. We go into the '08 draft in the hole one more time. Just mind boggeling.

gotta agree. i want to see the official deal before i pass judgement though. if its 2 2nd rounders in consecutive years and 2 slots in this years 1st round then it was very costly and personally, I would have not pulled the trigger.

the original deal sounded awesome and its gone downhill since in reports.

great deal
2nd round pick and a conditional pick for schaub

decent deal
2nd round pick and swapping drafting positions for schaub

highway robbery
2nd round picks in 2007 and 2008 AND swapping draft positions in 1st

and to the person who wants Kalil in 2nd round..that aint happening..he would be perfect for our line though...our biggest need imho is Center

 

[threetoedpete]

actually, if the cost is that prohibitive, its a bad trade and you are correct in assuming he would be the anointed starter...

no way in hell they are giving up a 1st rounder for him though....no way

No you don't....you've been banging the drum for two years now....no crawldaddying there SH. And you've been prety much "at any costs". Well you've got it now...man up.

 

[False Start]

Per 790am...
We will swap 1st rounders with ATL, give up a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year.

DAMN !

 

[Playmaker]

Funny, the guys on 790 just swapped spit agreeing to exactly the opposite--that this gave the Texans more leverage.

Those 790 guys seems to know about their stuff as much as the people who read this board. I felt like :brickwall when listening to them.

Who are those 2 guys on 790 right now so I know who I am calling incompetent?

 

[HoustonFrog]

lol its funny how you know all the carr supporters because they're predicting all doom and gloom

They are in this thread? I could have sworn that I have been told 30 times that I'm a fool and that I'd gnaw my leg off when Carr comes back to camp and STARTS. Where are those guys?

 

[JAXwithanX]

Welcome to Houston Mr. Okeye.

 

[Dime]

AMEN. People act like he's an illegitimate Manning brother or something.

Wow.. Already with Bashers... Why dont you give him a chance before you all start talking. EVERY TEAM inquired on Schaub because he is the best backup on the board and project to be a starter on quite a few teams. Give him a chance.

 

[real]

...man up.

I LOVE THE DEAL...ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT

 

[pv1999]

If DC went to ATL and Ron Mexico got injured.....and ATL went to the playoffs, while "Peyton" Schaub comes here and we win one more game than we did last year......Will that signal the beginning of the end for the Kubiak era or will he get five years too?

 

[Señor Stan]

Funny, the guys on 790 just swapped spit agreeing to exactly the opposite--that this gave the Texans more leverage.

Security, yes. Leverage, no.

 

[Porky]

I don't know what you people are talking about. This is an excllent deal. We get an up and coming starting QB far superior to any we had on the roster, and all we give up is 2 2nd rounders and swap 2 spots in the 1st rd? Are you kidding me? Good QB's don't just grow on trees.

The way I see it, we were going to pick a QB in either rd 1, 2 or 3. Let's say we had drafted a rookie in rd 2. Instead we just drafted a young more proven and seasoned vet in rd 2. In return, we get some kind of compensation for Carr, so we need to see there. Also, we can always try to trade down and recoup one or both 2nd rounders. But, even if Carr is cut, and we stay at #10, this is an excellent deal.

The comments of some about how Schaub's numbers aren't good proves the old adage that liars figure and figures lie. I have seen Schaub play. Apparently, you guys have not. The guy can play rings around Carr. You guys can have Carr and his high competion percentage. Give me Schaub and his so called bad numbers any day. I never thought it was possible because I thought we had to surrender a 1st and 3rd. Great deal, and the greatest day in Texans history to this point.

 

[texansturningthecorner]

Schaub



SORRY

 

[Maddict5]

Welcome to Houston Mr. Okeye.

i dont know why but ive had that gut feeling all along also- him or hall imo

 

[infantrycak]

Who are those 2 guys on 790 right now so I know who I am calling incompetent?

Ted Deluca and John Lopez (from the Chronicle).

The logic that this gives the Texans more leverage in trading Carr is charitably characterized as convoluted IMO. More likely, imaginary.

 

[hollywood_texan]

gotta agree. i want to see the official deal before i pass judgement though. if its 2 2nd rounders in consecutive years and 2 slots in this years 1st round then it was very costly and personally, I would have not pulled the trigger.

the original deal sounded awesome and its gone downhill since in reports.

great deal
2nd round pick and a conditional pick for schaub

decent deal
2nd round pick and swapping drafting positions for schaub

highway robbery
2nd round picks in 2007 and 2008 AND swapping draft positions in 1st

and to the person who wants Kalil in 2nd round..that aint happening..he would be perfect for our line though...our biggest need imho is Center

Agreed, but I believe they are going to use the Carr trade to offset the expensive trade for Schuab.

It will be Casserly logic, we got a 2nd round pick for Carr, so we really only paid one 2nd round pick.

Why not just trade Carr for a 2nd and don't do the Schuab trade and sit tight on the QB position.

The Texans are just so concerned about having some Big Name as the QB at any point in time.

Something tells me McNair is pushing this whole thing, get rid of Carr and you have to get another respectable name as the starter.

 

[swtbound07]

I go to class, come back, and my cell has 12 missed calls and this happens. Most interesting day.

 

[srstex]

Does anyone here remember Scott Mitchell ? Let me tell you, Mitchell was Marino's back-up, came in looked good traded to the Lions with Barry Sanders and wow they looked great-NOT. Before you say ABC get a grip on reality, this move has all the makings of the beginning of a great team, or will go down as the second big mistake of this FO.
With the signings so far this off season I thought we were headed in the right direction, and this is a good pick up, but not the one that will take us to the playoffs.

 

[bigbrewster2000]

Ted Deluca and John Lopez (from the Chronicle).

The logic that this gives the Texans more leverage in trading Carr is charitably characterized as convoluted IMO. More likely, imaginary.

Those two guys are sooo hard to listen to. They are always trying too hard to get ratings. I havent turned to that station in a month.

 

[real]

I don't know what you people are talking about. This is an excllent deal. We get an up and coming starting QB far superior to any we had on the roster, and all we give up is 2 2nd rounders and swap 2 spots in the 1st rd? Are you kidding me? Good QB's don't just grow on trees.

The way I see it, we were going to pick a QB in either rd 1, 2 or 3. Let's say we had drafted a rookie in rd 2. Instead we just drafted a young more proven and seasoned vet in rd 2. In return, we get some kind of compensation for Carr, so we need to see there. Also, we can always try to trade down and recoup one or both 2nd rounders. But, even if Carr is cut, and we stay at #10, this is an excellent deal.

The comments of some about how Schaub's numbers aren't good proves the old adage that liars figure and figures lie. I have seen Schaub play. Apparently, you guys have not. The guy can play rings around Carr. You guys can have Carr and his high competion percentage. Give me Schaub and his so called bad numbers any day. I never thought it was possible because I thought we had to surrender a 1st and 3rd. Great deal, and the greatest day in Texans history to this point.

I'm 100% with you on this...

Excellent deal for us...

 

[bigTEXan8]

this is going to be the best thing for carr. this is one step closerget him out of a krappy organization that doesn't know how to help a qb. i don't care what pitts says. no qb can have faith in a line that contributed to 200+ sacks in five seasons. that example on espn was brilliant, and the only reason pitts was upset was because it was true. as for schaub...i think the texans are going to be severely disappointed. my personal opinion says that he's completely overrated. the only reason he looks like a good "qb" is because vick looks horrible as a "qb", which isn't exactly a high, shining example. i would look good as a "qb", and i'm only 5'9", 175 lbs soaking wet.

 

[Señor Stan]

I don't know what you people are talking about. This is an excllent deal. We get an up and coming starting QB far superior to any we had on the roster, and all we give up is 2 2nd rounders and swap 2 spots in the 1st rd? Are you kidding me? Good QB's don't just grow on trees.

The way I see it, we were going to pick a QB in either rd 1, 2 or 3. Let's say we had drafted a rookie in rd 2. Instead we just drafted a young more proven and seasoned vet in rd 2. In return, we get some kind of compensation for Carr, so we need to see there. Also, we can always try to trade down and recoup one or both 2nd rounders. But, even if Carr is cut, and we stay at #10, this is an excellent deal.

The comments of some about how Schaub's numbers aren't good proves the old adage that liars figure and figures lie. I have seen Schaub play. Apparently, you guys have not. The guy can play rings around Carr. You guys can have Carr and his high competion percentage. Give me Schaub and his so called bad numbers any day. I never thought it was possible because I thought we had to surrender a 1st and 3rd. Great deal, and the greatest day in Texans history to this point.

Doing a little draft chartin'

Swapping 1sts = 100pts
#39 this year = 510 pts
mid second rd next year = 190 pts ( usually picks in next year's draft drop a rounds worth of value)

That makes for a total of 800 pts or the equivalent of the 21st pick of the draft this year. It is also the same number of points it would take to move up to #3 this year.

This doesn't include whatever they can get for Carr in a trade ...

 

[Maddict5]

Does anyone here remember Scott Mitchell ? Let me tell you, Mitchell was Marino's back-up, came in looked good traded to the Lions with Barry Sanders and wow they looked great-NOT. Before you say ABC get a grip on reality, this move has all the makings of the beginning of a great team, or will go down as the second big mistake of this FO.
With the signings so far this off season I thought we were headed in the right direction, and this is a good pick up, but not the one that will take us to the playoffs.

steve young, brett favre, matt hasseelback etc etc

dude you're a carr homer we get it but dont be all doom and gloom before you see him play

 

[Second Honeymoon]

You've just traded one DC for another one. That is all. My "boy" is off to greener pastures and I'm very happy for him. One thing about it...by '09, there's going to a whole bunch of folks finally in my band wagon there old hoss. It ain't the QB. I have every faith that Matt Scaub is going to prove that 100 % now. At least that dragon will get slain with this move on this board. You got what you wanted, and the spin this afternoon will be supurb I'm sure...what it means is that Kubes is saying to get to 500 all we needed was a new QB...We're going to see big guy. Salaam and Black are my aces in the hole.

so you are actually hoping that this deal doesnt work out so your zealotry towards Carr can be somehow validated? cmon now. I only asked that you give the guy a freaking snap before you pass judgement especially since many people gave Carr a 5 year GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card.

Schaub gets two years. If he doesnt help lead this team to a winning record in the next 2 years, he will be on the hot seat.

If you are a fan of the Texans, act like one and not just the fan of one very very average football player in Carr.

 

[powerfuldragon]

wow. over 200 in an hour or so.

 

[santo]

Does anyone here remember Scott Mitchell ? Let me tell you, Mitchell was Marino's back-up, came in looked good traded to the Lions with Barry Sanders and wow they looked great-NOT. Before you say ABC get a grip on reality, this move has all the makings of the beginning of a great team, or will go down as the second big mistake of this FO.
With the signings so far this off season I thought we were headed in the right direction, and this is a good pick up, but not the one that will take us to the playoffs.

I don't remember Scott Mitchell, but I remember Favre coming out of Atlanta.....