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Vonta Leach Signs Giants Offer Sheet - Texans Match

Good teams seem to have good TEs and good FBs.

It's two areas that I feel are the most important, they each help to keep defenses "more honest" than if you just have a RB/WR threat.

Owen Daniels, prior to injury, had been making a statement on the field with TD catches and his ability to stretch the field.

Vonta has been a bright spot, as well, because he's CONSISTENT. When he catches the ball, he isn't fumbling it as much as Cook had been. He moved the chains at critical times in some games. He opened holes and pancaked guys IIRC.

The biggest bone-head move this team could make would be to let Vonta Leach go at this point. I didn't think we'd be able to get a FB as good as Moran Norris when we let Moran go...but dadgummit I think we might have landed a better FB in Vonta.

Keeping Vonta is pretty high priority, IMO. Of course, he could get offered a better deal than we can match...but I hope this FO does indeed try and match pound-for-pound what he'd get elsewhere. The poison pill clauses need to be outlawed, and that might enter into play (though I hope it doesn't).

Rick Smith: Re-Sign That Fullback!
 
leach has signed the offer sheet that the giants made and the texans have now seven days to agree.....via total access nfl network....come on smith do it!!!!!!
 
amazingandre said:
leach has signed the offer sheet that the giants made and the texans have now seven days to agree.....via total access nfl network....come on smith do it!!!!!!
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4 years 8 million 1.6 in guarantees according to Adam Schefter on NFLN
 
4 years, 8 million with 1.5 guaranteed.

I think the Texans will not hesitate to match if there's no funny stuff in the deal. Basically it's just a guarantee of 750k more than what they offered (and the additional three years and 6.5 which they can defer most of until the final two years) ....

Ok, now I'll believe the report since it was on the NFL's own Network (I saw it too).
 
yup we need to resign him bad!!!!!!!!i liked him so much.....look at the running game and how muc it improved when he stepped in
 
aj. said:
4 years, 8 million with 1.5 guaranteed.

I think the Texans will not hesitate to match if there's no funny stuff in the deal.

I'll believe the report now that it was on NFL Network (I saw it too).
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*crosses fingers*
 
With Leach we may be able to be a top 10 running team...without him :(

Lets not think about life without Leach...get that man his bread!!!
 
IIRC, all we have do is match and other teams can't jump in or up the bid they made....is that correct?
 
That seams like reasonable money for a guy that helped out the running game a lot...I think Cook makes about 2.5/yr...but I also think that Leach is a better blocker
 
VL has got a big downside. He's only 'bout 25 and the Texans lately seem
to be after the 30 something crowd when it comes to their backs.
 
I think this is a no brainer.

We have to match the offer, it isn't a bank breaker and he is guy that made a big difference by doing the little things that go un-appreciated and those guys are important to keep around.
 
aj. said:
He'd be about a million in dead money if cut.
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That's chump change compared to the dead money we have hanging around right now.

I want Leach back. Smith better match the offer, we can afford to have him. Even more so, we can't afford NOT to have him. We must get him!
 
He's probably worth a match, but not much more. A year ago at this time 99.9% of the people on this board would have said Vonta who? He's a prime example of how bad the talent was on this team. We get one guy who shows some ability and toughness and we're all foaming over ourselves.
 
aj. said:
He's probably worth a match, but not much more. A year ago at this time 99.9% of the people on this board would have said Vonta who? He's a prime example of how bad the talent was on this team. We get one guy who shows some ability and toughness and we're all foaming over ourselves.
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eh.. While I agree with you to a certain extent.. I dont think it has to be viewed so negatively hehe.

We are hungry for talent, and Vonta showed it. We want to KEEP our talent cause we have been lacking it for so long.... so when we see a player that shows talent, we get in a feeding frenzy over them.

Basicly.. I think Vonta showed real talent.. I dont think he just looked better by comparison :D
 
aj. said:
He's probably worth a match, but not much more. A year ago at this time 99.9% of the people on this board would have said Vonta who? He's a prime example of how bad the talent was on this team. We get one guy who shows some ability and toughness and we're all foaming over ourselves.
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that is true AJ
 
If we can't get Leach, do you think the Texans would try putting Dayne in the FB spot He runs hard, catches the ball well, but I don't know about his blocking ability. Your thoughts??
 
Aren't the Texans interested in the FB from GB. Perhapes this is a way to keep him away. I notice that individual hasn't been here so far. May be that's who NY really wants.
 
aj. said:
He's probably worth a match, but not much more. A year ago at this time 99.9% of the people on this board would have said Vonta who? He's a prime example of how bad the talent was on this team. We get one guy who shows some ability and toughness and we're all foaming over ourselves.
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I disagree. If anything, I think it would be a huge mistake to let him go. Just because the talent level on this team was low compared to some Super Bowl caliber team, it doesn't mean the most of us can't see a good player when we land one.

Also, make sure you doubt check which team he was inked by. The Giants are not bottom feeders. They saw in him what I saw. The same thing that most of us saw.

I want him here.
 
Vonta does have talent, our running game took of when he was inserted in. Plus for a big guy he had pretty good hands.

Also its not just fans looking at a guy and foaming at the mouth, for me it also means no Jameel Cook. That alone makes Leach worth resigning.......we drop a FB that dropped the ball and cost us multiple games for a upgrade who was better in every aspect.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
I disagree. .
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You disagree with what?:

a) He's probably worth a match, but not much more. [if true, how much more, Casserly?]

b) A year ago at this time 99.9% of the people on this board would have said Vonta who? [if true, congrats with being in the 0.1%

or

c) He's a prime example of how bad the talent was on this team. [can't be true based on what 'you and most others' saw (and obviously what I saw since I made the statement)]
 
aj. said:
You disagree with what?:

a) He's probably worth a match, but not much more. [if true, how much more?]

b) A year ago at this time 99.9% of the people on this board would have said Vonta who? [if true, congrats with being in the 0.1%

or

c) He's a prime example of how bad the talent was on this team. [can't be true based on what 'you and most others' saw (and obviously what I saw since I made the statement)]
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true kinda like another Rb, I am not totally impressed with on the team,but he played well and was the best thing since DD(or DW) that we have seen
 
aj. said:
You disagree with what?:

a) He's probably worth a match, but not much more. [if true, how much more, Casserly?]

b) A year ago at this time 99.9% of the people on this board would have said Vonta who? [if true, congrats with being in the 0.1%

or

c) He's a prime example of how bad the talent was on this team. [can't be true based on what 'you and most others' saw (and obviously what I saw since I made the statement)]
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I believe that the answer is A, Regis.

Jeez, you came at me full force. You having a bad day or is it something personal against me?
 
A lot of people get pretty excited about every signing of another team's borderline players. The Texans may as well reward their own and keep them when they can.

Continuity must count for something if they aren't replacing a player for better talent. I'd rather keep Leach than shuffle for the sake of shuffling.
 
Clash_Fan3605 said:
Vonta Leach=young Lorenzo Neal?? :yahoo:
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Speaking of Lo Neal .... last year (as a proven Pro Bowler and what ... a 12 year vet or more ? ...) he signed a three-year extension worth $5.1 million, making him the highest-paid fullback in the NFL. The Giants offer sheet to Leach is worth more than that.

TexansLucky13 said:
Jeez, you came at me full force.
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lol ... hardly.

I was asking you a question (that you half answered). How much more?
 
Funny. This was a guy that was waived by GB and the Saints before we claimed him off waivers. Now he's a "must keep" or our offseason is in shambles according to some of you! :)

Anyway, if we want to keep him here is what we have to match:

Giants signed FB Vonta Leach to a four-year, $8 million offer sheet.

The deal includes $1.6 million in guaranteed money, NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports. Houston has seven days to match the proposal.

Doesn't sound too ridiculous if he's a good fit for our team...
 
aj. said:
Speaking of Lo Neal .... last year (as a proven Pro Bowler and what ... a 12 year vet or more ? ...) he signed a three-year extension worth $5.1 million, making him the highest-paid fullback in the NFL.
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ovie mughelli?..
 
Texan281 said:
ovie mughelli?..
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* I should have said before this season. Good catch. [edit: well I did say last year]

Mughelli's deal is the highest as of two weeks ago. I'm pretty sure Leach's would be near the top for fullbacks - but I confess that I don't make it a habit to track fullback's contracts. Mughelli got a 5 mill s/b included in his 18 million over 6 years.
 
Some people want to critize about some of the signing based on age or so it seems. If the player is better than what we have on the roster why not and get an experienced player.

Leach maybe younger than Cook but he is far better than that hack. So far Rick Smith has shown that he is methodical about the players he signs and goes after. Adding depth and quality guys in the locker room and on the field.
 
I'm glad Sherman/Smith brought Leach in, but it wouldn't have been necessary if they hadn't chucked Moran Norris for Jameel Cook. This young, shiny new front office has made its share of questionable decisions over the last year.

I hope we can keep Leach. He was a vast improvement over Dropsy McFumbles.
 
aj. said:
I can't wait for the day that re-signing a fullback isn't a big deal.
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I love the Texans, and any signing is a big enough deal for me to discuss on a message board. I want the team to succeed.

Are we not allowed to have a pleasant discussion about things?
 
Sounds matchable as long as there is no poison pill attached ...like it all becomes GTD if he plays 6 games a year in Texas.
 
So...what do we do? Leach stepped in and did great last year, but is he worth $2M/ year? How much money do we have left to work with?
 
The latest straight from Rick's mouth, via John "Videodome" McClain:

"I received a call from the Giants indicating that they'd signed Vonta to the offer sheet," general manager Rick Smith said Monday night. "I haven't seen it, but when I get to the office tomorrow, we'll look it over and decide what we're going to do."

It was Smith who signed Leach off the street last season. The Texans were looking for a powerful lead blocker to bolster the running game. Leach became that and more.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4644714.html
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to me he's worth it because his contributions to the running game far surpased what cook was able to do...now is a FB worth 2 mil a year...maybe maybe not...but i think when you have an offense that is based off running the ball more you should be willing to pay the run blockers a little more than a team that usually passes
 
TheCD said:
The irony of this is that:

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

"For only $450,000 more in 2007 salary, the Texans could have tendered Leach at a level that would have given them a second-round pick as compensation."

So we either definitely want him back, or don't think he's that valuable.
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Or they just underestimated the amount of interest in a guy claimed off waivers in midseason. Curious, though. My understanding was that because he was undrafted, the Texans would get no draft pick compensation.

Edit: Ah, it was because he was given a minimum offer. Curious, but in a different way.
 
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