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Texans: No cap space & 20 M in dead money

Nighthawk

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This from the Chronicle:

The Texans "have $18 million to $20 million in dead money — players no longer on the roster who still count against the cap."

Am I crazy or is this just a poorly managed franchise top to bottom? How can you be a perennial loser AND have 20M in dead money and no cap space?

Plus we've got that 60 million all star David Carr!

Sheeesh.
 
They have about $20 mil in dead money, but they also brought $7.7 mil forward from last year for incentives which weren't met leaving them with about $18 mil in cap space right now. Figure $4 mil for rookies, $5 or so to resign some of their FA's and they have about $9 mil to play with in cap room. Not loads of room but that is enough room for two serious acquisitions or one plus 2-3 lesser guys.
 
Ask Charley Casserly. How many stupid contracts did he give up? Gotta blame Kubiak a little bit too though. Eric Moulds had a 4 year deal.
 
TexanSam said:
Ask Charley Casserly. How many stupid contracts did he give up? Gotta blame Kubiak a little bit too though. Eric Moulds had a 4 year deal.
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i thought moulds had a 2 year deal, but with a small bonus?

i dont think moulds had to much to do with it, robaire, wade, payne, walker... i think they ****ED us over, good job CC
 
just think of it this way. once we pay off all that dead money we'll be in good shape. That should be about the time after a few of Kubiak and Smith drafts that our team is more solid and REALLY taking form. once those come together about the same time we'll be a pretty solid team.

Then once we have a pretty solid team, no dead money, and decent cap space we can finally sign some FA's and we'll be in the playoffs and contending for the AFC Championship. I know you don't want to hear it but give us 4 years and we're going to be winning the south division repeatedly.
 
aj. said:
4 years 14 million with a 5 million bonus -- and a fifth round pick.
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What changes in less than 12 months that causes a team to give away a player after a 5 million signing bonus, 4 year contract and a fifth round pick? What is the thought process?
 
Heath Shuler said:
What changes in less than 12 months that causes a team to give away a player after a 5 million signing bonus, 4 year contract and a fifth round pick? What is the thought process?
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That's what i'm wondering...probably something we'll never know. but moulds had to have been un happy and asked to leave. i dont think they'd do it other wise.
 
Heath Shuler said:
What changes in less than 12 months that causes a team to give away a player after a 5 million signing bonus, 4 year contract and a fifth round pick? What is the thought process?
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The last ten games of the season.....2 TD passes with one of them in garbage time...that should do it.
 
Nighthawk said:
The Texans "have $18 million to $20 million in dead money — players no longer on the roster who still count against the cap."

Am I crazy or is this just a poorly managed franchise top to bottom? How can you be a perennial loser AND have 20M in dead money and no cap space?
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Charley Casserly was the worst GM imaginable. I'd take the average fantasy football GM over that *****. Kubiak is compounding the problem by trying to cut every player with Casserly ties when we have no better options.

It's like quitting your current job before you have any idea where your new job is going to be. You end up being an unemployed bum.
 
Vinny said:
The last ten games of the season.....2 TD passes with one of them in garbage time...that should do it.
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So you think it is strictly performance based (which Kubiak said:football decision)? Even if it was, how many times was Moulds thrown to. It is not like I remember him dropping loads of TD passes in the endzone.
 
Charley Casserly
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Can you believe this doofus was on CBS this last season as some kind of 'expert'? His expert choices will still be hurting us for some time to come. Possibly for YEARS.
 
Heath Shuler said:
So you think it is strictly performance based (which Kubiak said:football decision)? Even if it was, how many times was Moulds thrown to. It is not like I remember him dropping loads of TD passes in the endzone.
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no, I was doing too many things at once and thought you asked how the team could look at Carr in a different light in less than a year after pushing his contract to 60 million dollars.

I honestly don't know what to think about the Moulds situation. He had a radio show and he spoke out about how he was wide open and Carr never saw him...so I'm deeply cynical that this is more than a football decision (I'm willing to accept that it was though...I don't grade film). It's been 5 years of PC and little drummer boy smiles around here....I am thinking and hoping that this mentality/culture is changing. I'm hopeful we sign a nice FA WR and won't stress the Moulds decision too much...but cutting the guy one year after signing him for 4 reeks of something funky one way or another...be it poor personnel evaluation, or having a clubhouse that is way too PC. Moulds had the best season that any WR had that isn't named Andre Johnson with 57 catches last year (thanks herv). Carr had his usual disappointing season and it isn't like Carr was lighting up the scoreboard with everyone except Moulds...historically, the WR2 here doesn't get many looks. That didn't change this season, I don't care how you spin it.
 
Heath Shuler said:
What changes in less than 12 months that causes a team to give away a player after a 5 million signing bonus, 4 year contract and a fifth round pick? What is the thought process?
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Makes no sense IMO. As a cap matter, they are paying to not have him around which just isn't justifiable to me without having a bird in the hand that is definitely better. Heck if you want a burner #2 then make Moulds the #3 and keep him one more year before cutting him.
 
I personally am glad that the franchise would rather admit a mistake and move on than keep Moulds on the roster and suffer. He had just 1 TD in 16 games. What disturbed me more was the number of times he failed to pick up the first down after the catch - didn't produce yards after the catch like a vet should. I think Kevin Walters would be an upgrade over Moulds as I saw Walters pick up several first down conversions last year that Moulds would have missed. Wouldn't mind signing or drafting a speedster as well.
 
Newsflash: The Texans are now officially the worst run franchise in the NFL. We have overtaken the Cardinals. I hope McNair and all the Carr apologists are happy.

Kubiak sucks
McNair sucks
Carr sucks
Texans suck
 
Heath Shuler said:
What changes in less than 12 months that causes a team to give away a player after a 5 million signing bonus, 4 year contract and a fifth round pick? What is the thought process?
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Kubiak knowing the whole story is what the thought process is. Obviously Moulds was unhappy. To what extent is anyone's guess.
 
Capster67 said:
I personally am glad that the franchise would rather admit a mistake and move on than keep Moulds on the roster and suffer. He had just 1 TD in 16 games. What disturbed me more was the number of times he failed to pick up the first down after the catch - didn't produce yards after the catch like a vet should. I think Kevin Walters would be an upgrade over Moulds as I saw Walters pick up several first down conversions last year that Moulds would have missed. Wouldn't mind signing or drafting a speedster as well.
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You mean the Kevin Walter that had zero TD passes caught last year? Now that Moulds is gone, he is obviously the superior player? Isn't it amazing that we think Walter is the better player but he couldn't beat out Moulds for the wr2 last year?
 
infantrycak said:
Makes no sense IMO. As a cap matter, they are paying to not have him around which just isn't justifiable to me without having a bird in the hand that is definitely better. Heck if you want a burner #2 then make Moulds the #3 and keep him one more year before cutting him.
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I guess it is just par for the course in free agency/trades for the Texans: overpay for some other teams’ cast offs, then waive bye. I was all for cutting Pburnt, just to send a message(I would have cleaned out his locker before the end of the game) but Moulds leaves me scratching my head.
 
Vinny said:
You mean the Kevin Walter that had zero TD passes caught last year? Now that Moulds is gone, he is obviously the superior player? Isn't it amazing that we think Walter is the better player but he couldn't beat out Moulds for the wr2 last year?
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That's a good point as far as Walter not being able to beat out Moulds last year, but now Kubiak is saying he could be a real contributor for us. Not that Walter looked bad last year when the ball came his way, but I've gotta think, or atleast hope, that they have someone else in mind in FA or the draft for our #2.
 
One question-McNair promised to build a 'state of the art franchise' that all Houstonians could be proud of-instead, we've got the losingest 5 yr expansion team with a 'bubble' of 'whatever' ready to burst...how did this happen?

and the real kicker? Capers just got a $2 million dollar increase over his Texans salary to just coach defense at Miami...

JMO, but what ails this team is not going to be a quick fix. We have little cap money to work with, a huge shortage of talent, a revolving door of that talent, unhappy fans, a locker room about to 'burst?,'etc.

It's really going to get 'tough' if Carr is still starting next year...
 
tsip said:
One question-McNair promised to build a 'state of the art franchise' that all Houstonians could be proud of-instead, we've got the losingest 5 yr expansion team with a 'bubble' of 'whatever' ready to burst...how did this happen?
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How did this happen? EASY...Charlie Casserly. If you look at our first 4 drafts, trades, contract decisions, etc. you will see why this team is in the sorry state that it is in.

http://www.databasefootball.com/draft/draftteam.htm?tm=HOU&lg=nfl
 
I think Bob is building it in the right way. Aside from all the dumb Casserly moves. He finally got rid of him and the old regime. He's building it with character guys...so it typically takes longer but pays off in the long run imo.
 
Most of the players who were cut were mostly signed through year 2009 and 2010 season. So it will take another 3 years after this year for all the dead money to go away.

But we need to do better job of personnel evaluation. Even though CC signed Moulds to 4 year deal but this one falls on the shoulder of Kubiak. It was Kubiak decision to bring Moulds to the team last year. Rightfully speaking, if Moulds didn't fit the scheme then he never should have been signed in the first place. Whats the point of signing some one to 4 year deal only to cut him one year into the deal.

Another mistake last off season was signing of Jeb Putzier to a lucrative contract only to see him become backup on the team.

We signed Anthony Weaver to lucrative contract, and his play has been solid for most part but Weaver doesn't scare any one as he is not a pass rushing threat. Now we are searching for another pass rushing demon to play opposite of Mario.

All of these singing shows very poor decision from the personnel evaluation stand point. It lacks vision and planning and these are the primary reason we are where we are right now.
 
dbspi said:
Most of the players who were cut were mostly signed through year 2009 and 2010 season. So it will take another 3 years after this year for all the dead money to go away.
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No it won't. Once a player is cut all the prorated cap space accelerates to the current year or to this year and the next one under a June 1st cut. So far nothing has been designated for next year and everything is on the 2007 cap.
 
If Mathis got his head on straight and came to camp with a workers mentality, this is his best chance to earn some playing time.
 
infantrycak said:
No it won't. Once a player is cut all the prorated cap space accelerates to the current year or to this year and the next one under a June 1st cut. So far nothing has been designated for next year and everything is on the 2007 cap.
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I didn't know about this rule, but thanks for letting me know. So if this is true then we should have no dead money next year if everything goes well from here on out.
 
Carr Bomb said:
If Mathis got his head on straight and came to camp with a workers mentality, this is his best chance to earn some playing time.
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That's a BIG If. Me thinks he's still way too immature to see the opportunity.
 
dbspi said:
I didn't know about this rule, but thanks for letting me know. So if this is true then we should have no dead money next year if everything goes well from here on out.
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it's accurate....all the future money is accelerated into the current year with a few exceptions for June 1 cuts I believe. Those can be spread over two years. aj is the guy with the best grip on the cap around here.
 
It makes me sick reading this. If a player signs with another team we should get some relief. How could we worst off than the Redskins with the money they throw around. I have lost brain cells reading this. this is worst than drugs all I can say is ..........................................................urh.
 
infantrycak said:
Makes no sense IMO. As a cap matter, they are paying to not have him around which just isn't justifiable to me without having a bird in the hand that is definitely better. Heck if you want a burner #2 then make Moulds the #3 and keep him one more year before cutting him.
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Football decision. Hmmm.

I wonder if they have already have an understanding with Lelie.

I am guessing that part of this is what Kubiak was calling the exotic coverages that they had on Andre Johnson. Didn't he say that teams started doing stuff to AJ that he has never seen teams do? That being said, it wasn't like Moulds was getting many attempts at the end of the year, but maybe there is film showing non-separation.

There was probably some serious gruntle going on.
 
Texans_Chick said:
I am guessing that part of this is what Kubiak was calling the exotic coverages that they had on Andre Johnson. Didn't he say that teams started doing stuff to AJ that he has never seen teams do? That being said, it wasn't like Moulds was getting many attempts at the end of the year, but maybe there is film showing non-separation.
There was probably some serious gruntle going on.
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I have to agree with you on this, TC. There had to have been a LOT more going on here than just Carr "locking in on AJ". Something WAY more than that, but unless Kubiak opens up about it someday, I don't think we'll ever find out what the real story was.
 
Vinny said:
He had a radio show and he spoke out about how he was wide open and Carr never saw him...so I'm deeply cynical that this is more than a football decision .
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But geez, what wide receiver DOESN'T say that? Michael Irvin had utlra golden boy Troy Aikman throwing him balls and still was never enough. T.O. complains constantly about not getting the ball when he's wide open. Truth is, Moulds was a #2 reciever and wasn't going to get #1 type balls thrown his way.
 
dbspi said:
Most of the players who were cut were mostly signed through year 2009 and 2010 season. So it will take another 3 years after this year for all the dead money to go away.

But we need to do better job of personnel evaluation. Even though CC signed Moulds to 4 year deal but this one falls on the shoulder of Kubiak. It was Kubiak decision to bring Moulds to the team last year. Rightfully speaking, if Moulds didn't fit the scheme then he never should have been signed in the first place. Whats the point of signing some one to 4 year deal only to cut him one year into the deal.

Another mistake last off season was signing of Jeb Putzier to a lucrative contract only to see him become backup on the team.

We signed Anthony Weaver to lucrative contract, and his play has been solid for most part but Weaver doesn't scare any one as he is not a pass rushing threat. Now we are searching for another pass rushing demon to play opposite of Mario.

All of these singing shows very poor decision from the personnel evaluation stand point. It lacks vision and planning and these are the primary reason we are where we are right now.
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When McNair signed Casserly and then Dom Capers, I do not remember very many complaints from fans nor any published reports of NFL types telling Mr. McNair "don't sign those guys." I had no problems with either at first. My complaint is how long it took to figure those two out.

Putzier was a highly thought of TE. And everyone said we had to strengthen that position. Management did not know that Daniels would be drafted or that he would start over the incumbants.

Same thing with Anthony Weaver. If I recall correctly, he was the highest rated free agent DE prospect when signed. Bush was thought to be the pick not Mario at that time.

If you are going to trash the "bad" moves, isn't it only fair to list the good moves? I think I am correct in saying that the first six picks (5th round for Moulds) all started at some point during the season and David Anderson made the team when few thought he would. Free agents Salaam, Flannagan, Cowert, Cook, Putzier & Dayne started and others such as Dalton, Gado, Thomas Johnson, Kalu, Killings, Anthony Maddox, Rosenfels, Dexter Wynn, Alfred Malone, Earl Cochran earned their pay check. I think Gado started at least one game.

I'm just saying more deals went right than wrong & I look forward to seeing how Kubes/ Smith do this off season.
 
Meloy said:
When McNair signed Casserly and then Dom Capers, I do not remember very many complaints from fans nor any published reports of NFL types telling Mr. McNair "don't sign those guys." I had no problems with either at first. My complaint is how long it took to figure those two out.

Putzier was a highly thought of TE. And everyone said we had to strengthen that position. Management did not know that Daniels would be drafted or that he would start over the incumbants.

Same thing with Anthony Weaver. If I recall correctly, he was the highest rated free agent DE prospect when signed. Bush was thought to be the pick not Mario at that time.

If you are going to trash the "bad" moves, isn't it only fair to list the good moves? I think I am correct in saying that the first six picks (5th round for Moulds) all started at some point during the season and David Anderson made the team when few thought he would. Free agents Salaam, Flannagan, Cowert, Cook, Putzier & Dayne started and others such as Dalton, Gado, Thomas Johnson, Kalu, Killings, Anthony Maddox, Rosenfels, Dexter Wynn, Alfred Malone, Earl Cochran earned their pay check. I think Gado started at least one game.

I'm just saying more deals went right than wrong & I look forward to seeing how Kubes/ Smith do this off season.
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The Texans only won 6 games last year, and couple of those wins were just down right ugly. Considering where this team is, I don't see how they match a 4 game improvement in the win column like last year.

I hear ya being optimistic, but the tone of Kubiak's tenure is going to be established with this draft. If Kubiak has an average draft this year, I don't see how it makes it through his contract. The reason, the AFC is too tough and the AFC South is becoming a meat grader.

One big time player on offense, probably at QB, could change everything, but those guys don't come around very often and even rarer, do you have opportunity to have that guy on your team.

I think it is more likely the Texans are screwed for the next few years and Kubiak's term than turning this thing around. This is just the same old song and dance... To all fans, buckle up your chin straps and get ready to sign those checks for season ticket renewals year in and year out for a losing record.

Hopefully I am wrong.
 
Vinny said:
I honestly don't know what to think about the Moulds situation. He had a radio show and he spoke out about how he was wide open and Carr never saw him...so I'm deeply cynical that this is more than a football decision (I'm willing to accept that it was though...I don't grade film).
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I remember hearing that interview live, and from that point forward watching WR routes at home games. There were many, many times where receivers were open but we not thrown to for a variety of reasons. (I'm sure it's all the offensive line's fault :winky: )

Interesting that our most prolific no. 2 WR is shown the door, especially when it does not help our cap situation whatsoever.

I smell a rat, and it's not Casserly this time.

Capster67 said:
I personally am glad that the franchise would rather admit a mistake and move on than keep Moulds on the roster and suffer. He had just 1 TD in 16 games.
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This is humorous for so many reasons. They only admit some of their 'mistakes'.

And remember, a WR cannot throw himself the ball. There is half of the equation that you seem to be overlooking.

SESupergenius said:
But geez, what wide receiver DOESN'T say that?
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AJ and Marvin Harrison both come to mind as receivers that don't say stuff like that.

Michael Irvin and T.O. are probably not the best examples to use for describing WRs, considering their mouths are Grand Canyonesque.
 
hollywood_texan said:
The Texans only won 6 games last year, and couple of those wins were just down right ugly. Considering where this team is, I don't see how they match a 4 game improvement in the win column like last year.

I hear ya being optimistic, but the tone of Kubiak's tenure is going to be established with this draft. If Kubiak has an average draft this year, I don't see how it makes it through his contract. The reason, the AFC is too tough and the AFC South is becoming a meat grader.

One big time player on offense, probably at QB, could change everything, but those guys don't come around very often and even rarer, do you have opportunity to have that guy on your team.

I think it is more likely the Texans are screwed for the next few years and Kubiak's term than turning this thing around. This is just the same old song and dance... To all fans, buckle up your chin straps and get ready to sign those checks for season ticket renewals year in and year out for a losing record.

Hopefully I am wrong.
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Look at it this way. Does there have to be a 4 game improvement to have a successful season? Would not most fans accept 8-8 or 9-7? You betcha. Some including me would accept 7-9 if the defense plays better (see end of last season), the offense remains somewhat healthy and we see improvement in Spencer, Winston and Daniels. Until he is drafted ahead of us it is possible that AP could play for us and score 10 TDs and combine yardage of 2000. AJ could haul in 8 TDs on a 1500 yds season. Mario gets 8 sacks and 10 pressures while Nate Clemments and Dunte( the new Mouth of the South) each get 4 interceptions. Demeco is the defensive player of the year. It is POSSIBLE that any or all of this could happen.. I'd settle for a percentage of it. It is not the same old song and dance until the band quits playing. (Did you notice I went PC and didn't mention a fat lady? Doh! too late).:yes:
 
With the releases and the Cap result I wonder if the reason the Texans are keeping Carr so far is they don't want to take anyone else on until the Cap hits are over next year. Are they saying lets let him get beat up? Are they trying in make it as uncomfortible as possible for him? Due they want him to say I want to leave? Just a thought from someone who has liked Carr and felt this team has never put this team together in a way that they could possibly win.

Once again, we have gotten rid of savy players who are aged, but still know the game. Kind of like when we got rid of Glenn and company. There are certainly no reasons so far to feel fuzzy and warm about what has happened. In fact it has created far more questions than have been answered.
 
correct me if I'm wrong, but, if you release somebody today, the entire cap hit goes against THIS years cap. Its only if you do it after June 1 that it gets spread over two years.

Is this still true?
 
Trenches said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but, if you release somebody today, the entire cap hit goes against THIS years cap. Its only if you do it after June 1 that it gets spread over two years.

Is this still true?
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That part of the equation is best left to someone else. To me this has all of the ear marks of a total house cleaning and saying there is no other way to clean up the mess of the last number of years. I think they have made a decision not to worry about this coming year and they will then be able to go hog wild the following year. From what I see it just seems like this is the most logical conclusion you can make right now.
 
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