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Rise and Fall of Combine

dbspi

dbspi

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Some of the Combine is done. I am very curious to know as to who some of those guys are who have rised from their personnel work out and who are some of the people who have fallen from their predraft evaluations at the NFL Combine.

Here is my short list for so far:

Moving UP: Antonio Pittman, Chris Henry, Kalil, Darius Walker, Deshan Wynn, Alonzo Coleman, Jason Hill, Greg Olsen, Robert Meachem, Naanee, Laurent Robinson, Steve Smith, Brian Leonard, James Marten, Robert Meachem, Chris Henry, Yamon Figurs, Ahmad Bradshaw, Kasey Studdard, Brian Leonard, Drew Stanton as the #3 QB, Greg Olsen, Ben Patrick, Michael Allan, Chris Leak, Johnathon Holland, Cameron Stephenson, Kevin Kolb - I think did decent enough to warrant a move up to contend with Smith for #4 QB.

Moving DOWN: Troy Smith, Levi Brown, Zach Miller, Dwayne Jarrett, Gary Russell, Jon Cornish

Standing Still: Sidney Rice
 
dbspi said:
Some of the Combine is done. I am very curious to know as to who some of those guys are who have rised from their personnel work out and who are some of the people who have fallen from their predraft evaluations at the NFL Combine.

Here is my short list for so far:

Moving UP: Chris Henry, Kalil, Darius Walker, Deshan Wynn, Alonzo Coleman, Jason Hill, Greg Olsen, Robert Meachem, Naanee, Laurent Robinson, Steve Smith, Brian Leonard, James Marten, Robert Meachem, Chris Henry, Yamon Figurs, Ahmad Bradshaw, Brian Leonard, Drew Stanton as the #3 QB, Greg Olsen, Ben Patrick, Michael Allan, Chris Leak, Johnathon Holland, Cameron Stephenson, Kevin Kolb, I think did decent enough to warrant a move up to contend with Smith for #4 QB.

Moving DOWN: Troy Smith, Levi Brown, Zach Miller, Dwayne Jarrett, Gary Russell, Jon Cornish

Standing Still: Sidney Rice
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You know, the funny thing is...Sidney Rice is the WR here that nobody's making too much noise about, but the one who is going to surprise an NFL team, whichever one takes him. A lot of people talk about WR's who don't have speed not being able to break away from a defender that well.. I laugh at that. speed helps, of course, but it's also about body control. Dwayne Jarrett doesn't have the best wheels, but he has excellent body control...which is why you see him making great catch after great catch.
 
I know Levi Brown ran a slow 40 yd dash. But how did he do in the other drills? The other drills should be more important than the 40 for a Lineman.

If Levi stock drops...esp on the texans board. then it looks like its gonna be D-line pick again at 8.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I know Levi Brown ran a slow 40 yd dash. But how did he do in the other drills? The other drills should be more important than the 40 for a Lineman.

If Levi stock drops...esp on the texans board. then it looks like its gonna be D-line pick again at 8.
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Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to think the Texans are VERY interested in Ryan Harris out of ND. If he's there, possibly in the 3rd and we take him, the Levi Brown pick wouldn't make much sense.

I was never crazy about taking an OL in the first round anyway. I never am.
 
Meachem is another guy who really impressed me at the combine. He is a freak - 6'3 210 with 4.36 speed AND the ability to make defenders miss and pick up yards after the catch. He needs some refinement, but his natural ability makes his ceiling incredibly high.
 
Navy_Chris said:
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Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to think the Texans are VERY interested in Ryan Harris out of ND. If he's there, possibly in the 3rd and we take him, the Levi Brown pick wouldn't make much sense.

I was never crazy about taking an OL in the first round anyway. I never am.
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I think #8 is too high for Levi Brown. He would have been better fit at 14 - 18 range. Other thing is I am not sure how well he will perform at LT position. To me he is RT.
 
dbspi said:
I think #8 is too high for Levi Brown. He would have been better fit at 14 - 18 range. Other thing is I am not sure how well he will perform at LT position. To me he is RT.
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I also don't think the Texans are taking Peterson at #8, even if he falls there. Word on the street is that Ramonce Taylor is 'high' on our list at RB. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans talk McNair out of his 'high character player' mentality just for this guy.

1- LaRon Landry
2- Robert Meachem or Ryan Harris
3- Ryan Harris or Samson Satele
4- Ramonce Taylor
4- Desmond Bishop
5- David Ball, if Meachem isn't available in RD 2; if we get Meachem, then go with Michael Coe
6- still thinking
7- Oscar Lua
 
interesting. you're making a good case for whoever falls to us. We might be seeing Gaines Adams or Alan Branch in a texans uni.

i think Anderson will go before us, and 8 might be too high for okoye?
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
interesting. you're making a good case for whoever falls to us. We might be seeing Gaines Adams or Alan Branch in a texans uni.

i think Anderson will go before us, and 8 might be too high for okoye?
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Okoye will be an unrestricted Free Agent when he's 24!!! He's going to be a phenom. Outstanding work ethic and a good head on his shoulders. He went from 287 to something like 302 in a couple months without losing a step.
 
dbspi said:
I think #8 is too high for Levi Brown. He would have been better fit at 14 - 18 range. Other thing is I am not sure how well he will perform at LT position. To me he is RT.
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That's what everyone said about McNeil last year as he fell to the second round and into the Pro-Bowl. Even YTF missed on McNeil being a legit LT. I have vowed to consider "RT ONLY" guys in all aspects now.

Plus, next year when the best O-linemen in a LONG time enters the draft, he will probally have that same lable of "RT ONLY" because of his imposing stature, but by God help all those poor GM's who will be crying as he dominates on the left side. Gaither will rise soon enough. That is my predicition, and I have been saying it since before last season even started. The man-child will dominate.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I know Levi Brown ran a slow 40 yd dash. But how did he do in the other drills? The other drills should be more important than the 40 for a Lineman.

If Levi stock drops...esp on the texans board. then it looks like its gonna be D-line pick again at 8.
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Agreed for me a 40 yard dash for a OL doesn't mean jack to me. I'm more interested in shuffle and reps. Still has the pro day at Penn State to fall back on. I still hope we take him at the 8 spot. I hope we don't go Dlineman early unless it's Okoye Or Gaines Adams. If there is a a player i am interested in from ND it's either Darius Walker or that Dlineman ... his name escapes me atm but when i watched their games he was so quick off the snap. Impressed me.

Navy_Chris. Please name a pro bowl LT who wasn't drafted in the first round. our OLINE has such glaring needs. Honestly....if we don't go Oline in one of the first two picks unless we acquire some decent help in FA... i will be pretty upset. All i am going to say is look at the Jet's last year and look at the Redskins last year. Jet's go unconventional and get two linemen in the first round go to the playoffs. Redskins as usual go haywire in FA, draft pretty picks...and miss the playoffs. Which one do you want?
 
Navy_Chris said:
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Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to think the Texans are VERY interested in Ryan Harris out of ND. If he's there, possibly in the 3rd and we take him, the Levi Brown pick wouldn't make much sense.

I was never crazy about taking an OL in the first round anyway. I never am.
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think back to this:
1982:
1st round, 8th pick- Mike Munchak, OG (Penn State)
1983:
1st round, 9th pick- Bruce Matthews, OG (Southern Cal)
1984:
1st round, 2nd pick- Dean Steinkuhler, OT (Nebraska)

The talent can be found in later rounds, but ask that freaking sellout Warren Moon if he would have had a chance at the Hall of Fame (and subsequent honoring in the town where toiled for 10 years--Nashville:mad:) if drafting offensive lineman is a good idea in the first round.
 
dirty steve said:
think back to this:
1982:
1st round, 8th pick- Mike Munchak, OG (Penn State)
1983:
1st round, 9th pick- Bruce Matthews, OG (Southern Cal)
1984:
1st round, 2nd pick- Dean Steinkuhler, OT (Nebraska)

The talent can be found in later rounds, but ask that freaking sellout Warren Moon if he would have had a chance at the Hall of Fame (and subsequent honoring in the town where toiled for 10 years--Nashville:mad:) if drafting offensive lineman is a good idea in the first round.
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haha. you're exactly right. OL can be found at all rounds of the draft. mid-round OL tend to have better technique than top OL do, anyway. that's just my observation.
 
Navy_Chris said:
haha. you're exactly right. OL can be found at all rounds of the draft. mid-round OL tend to have better technique than top OL do, anyway. that's just my observation.
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Are you observing from the nosebleed seats then or possibily outside the stadium? Top Tier OL are top tier for a reason.
 
Navy_Chris said:
I also don't think the Texans are taking Peterson at #8, even if he falls there. Word on the street is that Ramonce Taylor is 'high' on our list at RB. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans talk McNair out of his 'high character player' mentality just for this guy.

1- LaRon Landry
2- Robert Meachem or Ryan Harris
3- Ryan Harris or Samson Satele
4- Ramonce Taylor
4- Desmond Bishop
5- David Ball, if Meachem isn't available in RD 2; if we get Meachem, then go with Michael Coe
6- still thinking
7- Oscar Lua
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Trust me, if Peterson is available at 8, we will take about one second to make the pick. If we are going to draft Ramonce Taylor (I don't even know if we will have to use a draft pick to get him), then it will be for special teams purposes, not as our feature back.
 
Please_Evolve said:
Are you observing from the nosebleed seats then or possibily outside the stadium? Top Tier OL are top tier for a reason.
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Top tier lineman are just that because some old sportswriter or media member 'picks' them out of all the others. Samson Satele showed the best technique of any lineman i've seen at the combine. Just one example.
 
tulexan said:
Trust me, if Peterson is available at 8, we will take about one second to make the pick. If we are going to draft Ramonce Taylor (I don't even know if we will have to use a draft pick to get him), then it will be for special teams purposes, not as our feature back.
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Am I reaching for Ramonce at 4? I haven't even had a chance to look at where he's projected to go.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Am I reaching for Ramonce at 4? I haven't even had a chance to look at where he's projected to go.
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A running back who hasn't played in a year, has major character issues, and is not as fast as touted does not go in the fourth unless Shanahan is trying to prove his arrogance again like he did with Clarrett.

Ramonce will be lucky to be drafted let alone in the fourth round.
 
Still haven't named a pro bowl LT that wasn't picked in the first round. I'm sure guys like Thomas, Levi Brown, Kalil & Blaylock are first rounders cause psht some sports guy writer has them there.

You seem to have that Charlie Casserly Vibe..the kind of vibe like... i can outscout you and know stuff you don't...then go out and make horrid draft picks that don't pan out. *cringes*
 
Please_Evolve said:
Still haven't named a pro bowl LT that wasn't picked in the first round. I'm sure guys like Thomas, Levi Brown, Kalil & Blaylock are first rounders cause psht some sports guy writer has them there.

You seem to have that Charlie Casserly Vibe..the kind of vibe like... i can outscout you and know stuff you don't...then go out and make horrid draft picks that don't pan out. *cringes*
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Umm...Joe Thomas and Ryan Kalil dominated all year long against top talent. Kalil who is a ZBS prospect really, he umm...DOMINATED Allen Branch who is like 6'6 330. That is how you go first round. Levi worked his way back all year, and played well. He earned his spot. Blaylock isn't a 1st rounder.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Top tier lineman are just that because some old sportswriter or media member 'picks' them out of all the others. Samson Satele showed the best technique of any lineman i've seen at the combine. Just one example.
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Joe Thomas is going to be the first lineman taken because he is the best lineman available, not because "some old dude" annointed him that. It also helps that Thomas played at a high profile program stateside while Satele played in the WAC in Hawaii.

How can you show technique at the combine by running the 40 or some cone drills? Do they lineup some dummies and ask you to pass block or pull on a running play?
 
tulexan said:
A running back who hasn't played in a year, has major character issues, and is not as fast as touted does not go in the fourth unless Shanahan is trying to prove his arrogance again like he did with Clarrett.

Ramonce will be lucky to be drafted let alone in the fourth round.
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ok..just checking. i still think he's coming to houston, whether he's drafted or not.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Umm...Joe Thomas and Ryan Kalil dominated all year long against top talent. Kalil who is a ZBS prospect really, he umm...DOMINATED Allen Branch who is like 6'6 330. That is how you go first round. Levi worked his way back all year, and played well. He earned his spot. Blaylock isn't a 1st rounder.
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sorry YTF was talking to Navy Chris should been more clear on that. I think Blaylock could go late first round or early second.
 
Navy_Chris said:
ok..just checking. i still think he's coming to houston, whether he's drafted or not.
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you know that just because a team interviews a player that doesnt necessarily mean they are drafting him, right? each team gets 60 interviews, so you cant draft them all.
 
Please_Evolve said:
sorry YTF was talking to Navy Chris should been more clear on that. I think Blaylock could go late first round or early second.
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Blaylock MAY slide into the LATE 1st, but probally won't unless something I can't predict happens. He isn't a LT guy anyways. I won't discard his chance at it, but I see him as a RT or OG in the league.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Blaylock MAY slide into the LATE 1st, but probally won't unless something I can't predict happens. He isn't a LT guy anyways. I won't discard his chance at it, but I see him as a RT or OG in the league.
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I am leaning more OG myself with a shot at RT. But was more aimed at Navy_Chris Absurd comments about how top tier OL are there because some sports guy annoits them.
 
the real rise & fall will be the individual workouts by NFL teams, keep posted to see who the Texans actually invite to Relient.

the players who competed or choose not to compete will have another chance to prove themselves come their respective pro-days.

after watching its obvious who the elite talents are, guys like Peterson, Calvin Johnson & Joe Thomas the secret is finding other less obvious talent who can make a NFL roster based on a combination of all their measureables, interviews & actual game film. you've got to think the professional scouts out there know these guys backwards, forwards & in between so that the rise & fall is a long process based on years of evidence & background information.
 
Please_Evolve said:
I am leaning more OG myself with a shot at RT. But was more aimed at Navy_Chris Absurd comments about how top tier OL are there because some sports guy annoits them.
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Take Drew Stanton, nobody was talking about him until the media started shining a light on him. NOW, everyone's ranting and raving about Stanton surprising a lot of people at the next level. The media overhypes so many players who don't deserve it, it's not even funny. Am I calling Thomas and Brown overhyped? No. They ARE 2 of the best at their position. I'm just saying that OL is a position where i'd prefer to get the most for my money. Why pay 45 million for a guy when i could get the same thing in the 3rd or 4th for a fraction of that?!!!!!!
 
Personally, I would rather have Merriweather. I think he is going to be another big time DB from a long line of big time DB's from the U.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Take Drew Stanton, nobody was talking about him until the media started shining a light on him. NOW, everyone's ranting and raving about Stanton surprising a lot of people at the next level. The media overhypes so many players who don't deserve it, it's not even funny. Am I calling Thomas and Brown overhyped? No. They ARE 2 of the best at their position. I'm just saying that OL is a position where i'd prefer to get the most for my money. Why pay 45 million for a guy when i could get the same thing in the 3rd or 4th for a fraction of that?!!!!!!
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Stanton was pretty higly rated before a lackluster year in total in Michigan State. Reminds me a bit of Kyle Orton Guy was poised to make a big move for the NFL his senoir year and one game knocked him down pretty bad.

Keep hoping for the pretty picks if you wantto keep losing until this Oline problem is addressed fully best you can hope for is a .500 year. Typical top tier OL are worth the pay. Jonathon Ogden, Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Throw in a A Steve Hutchinson here, Larry Allen sure helped San Fran's Rushing Attack, I bet a few years down the road the Jet's won't be kicking themselves on the Ferguson and Mangold Draft. One ay it wil lset in.
 
tulexan said:
Personally, I would rather have Merriweather. I think he is going to be another big time DB from a long line of big time DB's from the U.
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You may be right. Just like anyone, Landry could turn out to be a big time bust, but i don't see that happening. I'm excited about seeing all the DBs Tuesday. I wonder if anyone will run faster than the 4.33 we saw today.
 
I like Ryan Kalil very much and wish Texans will consider him in second round if he is available. He has great leadership quality, Good quickness, Moves well and has great range, and extremely smart ball player.

First Round - AP
Second Round - Ryan Kalil
Third Round - Ryan Harris

As far as Ramonce Taylor is concerned, I don't mind picking him up in 7th round. I really doubt his mental makeup. He had the talent to be something very special at Texas and he threw it all away for pot. It tells me pot was more important to him then football.
 
Please_Evolve said:
Stanton was pretty higly rated before a lackluster year in total in Michigan State. Reminds me a bit of Kyle Orton Guy was poised to make a big move for the NFL his senoir year and one game knocked him down pretty bad.

Keep hoping for the pretty picks if you wantto keep losing until this Oline problem is addressed fully best you can hope for is a .500 year. Typical top tier OL are worth the pay. Jonathon Ogden, Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Throw in a A Steve Hutchinson here, Larry Allen sure helped San Fran's Rushing Attack, I bet a few years down the road the Jet's won't be kicking themselves on the Ferguson and Mangold Draft. One ay it wil lset in.
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Very well put. I'm just saying that you have to be wary not to draft a guy SIMPLY because of the high rating put on him by ESPN or Scouts, Inc. It could prove disaster in the long run, then again, it could work out.
 
dbspi said:
I like Ryan Kalil very much and wish Texans will consider him in second round if he is available. He has great leadership quality, Good quickness, Moves well and has great range, and extremely smart ball player.

First Round - AP
Second Round - Ryan Kalil
Third Round - Ryan Harris

As far as Ramonce Taylor is concerned, I don't mind picking him up in 7th round. I really doubt his mental makeup. He had the talent to be something very special at Texas and he threw it all away for pot. It tells me pot was more important to him then football.
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Pot is more important than football to every University of Miami football player, but they're still pretty good.
 
dbspi said:
I like Ryan Kalil very much and wish Texans will consider him in second round if he is available. He has great leadership quality, Good quickness, Moves well and has great range, and extremely smart ball player.

First Round - AP
Second Round - Ryan Kalil
Third Round - Ryan Harris
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I would love for this to happen, but I don't think AP falls to us at 8 and I don't think Kalil makes it to us in the 2nd round.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I would love for this to happen, but I don't think AP falls to us at 8 and I don't think Kalil makes it to us in the 2nd round.
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I'm almost certain that Smith goes with Landry or Okoye at #8. Remember, he's shooting for BPA...not necessarily trying to fill a hole at this pick.
 
Navy_Chris said:
I'm almost certain that Smith goes with Landry or Okoye at #8. Remember, he's shooting for BPA...not necessarily trying to fill a hole at this pick.
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The thing about it though is that the BPA will most likely be a need! that's the beauty of it. Even if #8 may be a 'reach' for either landry or okoye, it'd probably only be a few picks reach so, me personally don't have a problem with it. I like both of those guys.

Landry would be a leader in the secondary and a huge improvement for our pass coverage which is vital in the afc south.

Okoye would be a young young guy that has so much upside. playing next to mario would be such and awesome thing to see. he would penetrate the middle forcing the QB to go one way or the other....not step up in the pocket and pick off our secondary. okoye would hopefully bring more sacks for mario as the qb's have to step out. I voted for Houston to have okoye in the mock draft we did...it's kind of died down now that we're on baltimore.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
The thing about it though is that the BPA will most likely be a need! that's the beauty of it. Even if #8 may be a 'reach' for either landry or okoye, it'd probably only be a few picks reach so, me personally don't have a problem with it. I like both of those guys.

Landry would be a leader in the secondary and a huge improvement for our pass coverage which is vital in the afc south.

Okoye would be a young young guy that has so much upside. playing next to mario would be such and awesome thing to see. he would penetrate the middle forcing the QB to go one way or the other....not step up in the pocket and pick off our secondary. okoye would hopefully bring more sacks for mario as the qb's have to step out. I voted for Houston to have okoye in the mock draft we did...it's kind of died down now that we're on baltimore.
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that's also true...okoye fills a need. landry fills a need. (anything's a step up from C.C.) man, he sucks. oh, sorry. anyway, if we draft landry, then the focus HAS to go to the D-Line at some point, whether it be draft or FA. I think it has to be FA. there's so much talent in this draft at other positions, and i don't think guys like mebane and mcbean are gonna amount to much.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
That's what everyone said about McNeil last year as he fell to the second round and into the Pro-Bowl. Even YTF missed on McNeil being a legit LT. I have vowed to consider "RT ONLY" guys in all aspects now.
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Why is it that some rookies are crowned after having a successful first year but others aren't ?

personal agenda ?
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Umm...Joe Thomas and Ryan Kalil dominated all year long against top talent. Kalil who is a ZBS prospect really, he umm...DOMINATED Allen Branch who is like 6'6 330. That is how you go first round. Levi worked his way back all year, and played well. He earned his spot. Blaylock isn't a 1st rounder.
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He is meant for a ZBS, so I don't think he'll go in the first round. Few centers go in the first anyway, and only a few teams in the league would take Kalil. My hopes of catching him in the third are frading away, though.
 
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