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Why is LaRon Landry's stock falling so much?

Ole Miss Texan

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Why is LaRon Landry's stock falling so much?

I'll go out on a limb and say that the majority of people still see him and Nelson as the two best safeties in the draft.

I know Reggie Nelson's stock has really increased a lot over this past year and past 3 months even... he could put up a great showing at the combine too. Most people also say that nelson has more upside to him than landry.

I don't really want this to turn into a nelson vs. landry thread. but let's leave it to landry specifically... both safeties could go around 10..or even higher...it doesn't matter...but i've seen Landry sliding on a lot more mocks recently.

Why is landry starting to slide? He was my favorite pick from the very beginning before the 2006 season even started. He seems to have great leadership qualities and I think he seems like a Texan player.

Again I see him sliding on a lot of mocks. Where do y'all think he'll go? Would you be upset if we selected him at #8? I would prefer a trade down this year to pick up a 3rd. that would mean we'd only move down a few slots...and maybe pick Landry up...depending on what bpa and who's on the board.
 
I guess I made this a little prematurely. I just looked at a lot of mocks..and most have him going 14 to Carolina...I guess last week he seemed to be going past that more than i'm seeing now...funny how things change so quickly.

I'll agree his bowl game wasn't that impressive...but I really didn't think it hurt him too much at all. I guess a lot of guys are really coming on strong that people are noticing..like Jamaal Anderson and Amobi Okoye, levi brown even..

I think if AP isn't there when we pick...I'd hope Bradie Quinn is and Carolina really want's to trade up for him. our 8 (1400pts) for their 14 (1100) and 3rd rd (200) plus their 2008 3rd rder. Or even play around some...take their 2nd but give them our 4th and 5th? i could probably do this all day but at least get a good/ fair deal. Hopefully they'd give us a good one because they'd be afraid Miami would take Quinn.

Then we could take Landry hopefully w/ that pick.
 
mexican_texan said:
He had a bad bowl game. Well, not bad, per sé, but he didn't perform like a top ten pick.
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But you could say that for Nelson as well. I think he is falling kinda like Ryans fell last year. He is not flashy enough. He doesn't make the flahy play or may not up the fastest times at the combine or workouts, but instead he just gets the job done. And unfortunately that isn't media friendly, they just want flash. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Nelson isn't a great player, because he is. But he is more flashy than Landry.
 
man...we could have a killer secondary if we take

1-laron landry FS
2-chris houston CB
3-Best OT Available
4-brandon jackson RB
5-clifton ryan DT
 
i think it was because he wasn't at the senior bowl, a lot of players improved their stock, instead he decided to opt out. i don't know if he is really falling though, in most mocks i still see him in the top 15.
 
Yea I can definitely see how you say he's not 'flashy'... i like that though..he gets the job done like demeco does...i see them being very similar which makes me want him even more. i think there is zero chance landry falls to us in the 2nd like demeco did...

i like his style of play, he just seems like a quality pick up that would be a Huge improvement in pass coverage and still a very good tackler...how would yall rate landry's tackling/ rush defense compared to cc's?

man oh man having him and chris houston back there would be phenominal. I'm really starting to get back in my landry mood.

right now i think my 2 favs in the 1st two rds are

1.Adrian Peterson/Laron Landry
2.Ryan Kalil/ Chris Houston (or aaron ross?)
 
Well one reason i have heard that he might slip past the Texans is bc he is a SS and Nelson is a FS. Earl has been decent but Brown is not a FS and it showed. Plus from what i have been hearing in recent talks about the Lions from Lions fans on other forums they are sayin its a good possibility they will take Peterson at the #2 pick. So i look at what might be available for us thinking that Detriot or Cleveland might take AP. Honestly i would be happy with either of them. I am a little higher on Landry than Nelson by talent. Something about taking a FS in the 1st round so high bothers me.
 
If Detroit picks Peterson, they should demand Millen's head. When you spend 3 high picks on RBs (1st on Jones in '04, 3rd on Calhoun in '06, and 1st on Peterson in '07) especially considering the amount of money Peterson will demand, that is horrible on the front office's part. Especially considering you can only start 1 RB and split so many carries between them. Poor Detroit, such a mess . . .
 
it is bad but there rb is out for half the seaoson next year.....i like landry more, he hits soooooo hard i wish we had him to blitz manning and just lay huge smacks on wayne and harrison as they come across the middle.....
 
his stock hasn't fallen at all. he had a good Sugar Bowl and he had an excellent week at the Senior Bowl.
 
Silver Oak said:
Can someone help me out here? Who is the defensive "qb" on the field for the Texans? Is it the FS or one of the LB's?
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I beleive it is the Mike (Middle) line backer. So it would be DeMeco calling the plays in the defensive huddle. Hope that answers your question.
 
kastofsna said:
his stock hasn't fallen at all. he had a good Sugar Bowl and he had an excellent week at the Senior Bowl.
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Landry did not compete in the Senior Bowl, allowing Meriweather to not only shine @ FS but to play some CB when Ross got shaken up.
 
Landry's stock has fallen because Nelson's has risen....simple as that....

Just like last year. Leinarts stock fell because VY's rose.

And Brady Quinn. His stock took a hit when Jamarcus Russel came on the scene.

It happens every year.
 
not really, landry is still the #1 safety on pretty much everyone's boards (everyone that matters, anyway).
 
kastofsna said:
not really, landry is still the #1 safety on pretty much everyone's boards (everyone that matters, anyway).
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Matt Leinart was Number one on every one's baord too.

And Brady Quinn is still the number one QB on everyone's baord that matters.
 
His stock may appear like it has fallen due to the number of JRs that declared. Before they declared Landry was in the top 10 after he is 10-15.
 
Texian said:
His stock may appear like it has fallen due to the number of JRs that declared. Before they declared Landry was in the top 10 after he is 10-15.
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pretty much.

As players rise, they lessen the attention surrounding other players.
 
He is a decent coverage safety, and is average against the run. He isn't that special of a player, I was big on him for a while... until watching him play a few games, I just didn't really see a play maker in him. Tom Zbikowski I think made more plays than he did. Landry was just overblown because he was on a defense with a great pass rush, so he took all the benefits from that.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
He is a decent coverage safety, and is average against the run. He isn't that special of a player, I was big on him for a while... until watching him play a few games, I just didn't really see a play maker in him. Tom Zbikowski I think made more plays than he did. Landry was just overblown because he was on a defense with a great pass rush, so he took all the benefits from that.
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I've watched Landry play too, and I wasn't really impressed. He didn't really do anything that made him stand out. I think he's going to be a solid pro, and well worth 13-20 pick. I just don't see him as the type of player that we should be looking at with the eighth pick. I wouldn't be opposed to a trade down to get him, but with the eight pick we need a more explosive talent with game changing capability.
 
Exithios said:
I beleive it is the Mike (Middle) line backer. So it would be DeMeco calling the plays in the defensive huddle. Hope that answers your question.
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Thanks. Was just wondering if that would influence the decision if we do draft safety.

Don't think we want a Wonderlic failure to be calling the plays. :stirpot:
 
kastofsna said:
not really, landry is still the #1 safety on pretty much everyone's boards (everyone that matters, anyway).
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Yeah i was watching something on the NFL network & they had him rated as the #1 DB/secondary player I don't remember if it was either or. Nelson was a little further down the list.idonno:
 
DMars87 said:
so i have seen people reporting it both ways... but is Landry considered more of a SS or FS
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That's news to me. I know a lot of people are saying Michael Griffin is more of a SS than FS, but I havn't heard that about landry. I know he plays the run very well and blitzes a lot. but didn't know he'd be considered a FS....last thing we need is another SS
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
That's news to me. I know a lot of people are saying Michael Griffin is more of a SS than FS, but I havn't heard that about landry. I know he plays the run very well and blitzes a lot. but didn't know he'd be considered a FS....last thing we need is another SS
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Looks like Griffin, Nelson, Landry, & Meriweather are all listed as FS in the website posted.
 
kastofsna said:
which is why quinn will be the first quarterback drafted, and landry will be the first safety drafted.
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I don't know about the quarterback but I agree that Landry will be the first safety taken.

I think Landry has been the number one since the season ended. His pedigree is unmatched at the safety position in this year's draft. 40 times and interviews will decide who is selected first but I think it will be LaRon.
 
It all depends on the point of veiw.

If you want a saftey that is going to make the big play then is Nelson. He is always around the ball, but is hit or miss nearly half the time. He can change the momentum of the football game on one play, he can make the INT and return it for a TD or he can bluff on the 70 yard TD pass by taking a wrong angle or missing the tackle.

Landry is the kind of saftey that is very solid fundamentally. He follows the rules by not allowing the big play and letting nothing get behind him. He won't ever lead the leage in INTs or be on any Sportcenter Top 10s, but he will make the secondary one of the strongest in the league.

It all is just a matter of opinion. Talk to me after the combine and then we will discuss this.
 
Texan_Aggie222 said:
It all depends on the point of veiw.

If you want a saftey that is going to make the big play then is Nelson. He is always around the ball, but is hit or miss nearly half the time. He can change the momentum of the football game on one play, he can make the INT and return it for a TD or he can bluff on the 70 yard TD pass by taking a wrong angle or missing the tackle.

Landry is the kind of saftey that is very solid fundamentally. He follows the rules by not allowing the big play and letting nothing get behind him. He won't ever lead the leage in INTs or be on any Sportcenter Top 10s, but he will make the secondary one of the strongest in the league.

It all is just a matter of opinion. Talk to me after the combine and then we will discuss this.
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I wouldn't say that it is like that. Not as black and white as you put it. Your right that those two are better at those respecting skills than the other.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
He is a decent coverage safety, and is average against the run. He isn't that special of a player, I was big on him for a while... until watching him play a few games, I just didn't really see a play maker in him. Tom Zbikowski I think made more plays than he did. Landry was just overblown because he was on a defense with a great pass rush, so he took all the benefits from that.
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Ok. In the Sugar Bowl Laron did do good, he was challenged much. and he is great in coverage, he doesnt allow big plays, He is awesome against the run. He has a nose for the ball he is always around it. He has great speed too, 2 years ago in the Peach Bowl Devin Hester broke free on an end-around play and Laron caught up to him and made the tackle.

Just watched him in this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bip9KlMxd04
 
personally i don't think laron's stock has fallen...i think the reason you dont' hear guys talk about him as much is because he didn't play in the senior bowl...in which he just like joe thomas really didn't have to...they are the best player at their position senior-wise...and the only player who can leap frog landry is reggie nelson a junior who couldn't play either...so why risk the injury...all landry has to do is run a decent 40 time...say 4.5 flat...jump a decent vertical say 38''...and interview well and he'll be drafted in the top half of the first round which is where he should be drafted...he's not a top ten talent right now...if he runs something unexpected like a 4.4 flat 40 and jumps 42'' then he'll go higher into the top ten
 
keyfro said:
personally i don't think laron's stock has fallen...i think the reason you dont' hear guys talk about him as much is because he didn't play in the senior bowl...in which he just like joe thomas really didn't have to...they are the best player at their position senior-wise...and the only player who can leap frog landry is reggie nelson a junior who couldn't play either...so why risk the injury...all landry has to do is run a decent 40 time...say 4.5 flat...jump a decent vertical say 38''...and interview well and he'll be drafted in the top half of the first round which is where he should be drafted...he's not a top ten talent right now...if he runs something unexpected like a 4.4 flat 40 and jumps 42'' then he'll go higher into the top ten
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I think he has the ability and he seems to be fast. I suspect he runs a 4.45 and jumps at 41 inches.
 
I kinda hope he post some awesome numbers that will warrant a #8 overall pick. Something so fans and the media would be like that's pretty high for a Safety to go but he's shown some major upside, great college career, and is very fast, jumps high yadda yadda yadda...houston's secondary is in shambles and Landry will help them out tremendously and let dunta shine....great pick for houston..a team that has a lot of holes.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't know about the quarterback but I agree that Landry will be the first safety taken.

I think Landry has been the number one since the season ended. His pedigree is unmatched at the safety position in this year's draft. 40 times and interviews will decide who is selected first but I think it will be LaRon.
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I won't say that it won't be Laron, but every year players shoot up the charts...

It shouldn't be too big a shock if he's not the first safety taken.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
He is a decent coverage safety, and is average against the run. He isn't that special of a player, I was big on him for a while... until watching him play a few games, I just didn't really see a play maker in him. Tom Zbikowski I think made more plays than he did. Landry was just overblown because he was on a defense with a great pass rush, so he took all the benefits from that.
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nonsense. he's excellent against the run, and even better in coverage, as evidenced by the sugar bowl, where he ONLY dropped back in coverage to eliminate notre dame's crappy receivers from being any sort of threat at all. he shut them down. they let darius walker run on them because they knew notre dame wasn't going to do a damn thing if brady quinn wasn't able to find open receivers. zbikowski made more plays because he's the ONLY good player on that defense.
 
All LaRon Landry did was start off his career by leading his team in tackles the year they won a National Title as a freshman, yeah he's overrated.
 
Sad thing is.....


You'll probably never have your question answered....
 
ole miss texan "houston's secondary is in shambles and Landry will help them out tremendously and let dunta shine....great pick for houston..a team that has a lot of holes."

could not agree more

i just think when draft day comes around we'll have a few more pressing needs than FS...although i'll be the first to say that better safty play is important to this defense the point is how do you justify taking a safty over an equally rated OT, RB, DE, or DT

landry/nelson would be the first DB i take even over corners like revis and hall but at the 8th pick if peterson, levi brown, okoye, or adams is there i'll probably think to take one of them first...however if my choices are between landry, brown, and adams i'm probably thinking long and hard on that one
 
I think quite honestly I think had AP not come on like gang buster's for us you'd still be hearing about Landry possibly being our pick. Looks like a correction in the market if you will. He's not honestly dropped that far. might shave a couple million off his contract but he'll be ok.

I don't care if we upgrade SS, FS, and honestly I'd prefer an upgrade at BOTH.


As far as the sidenote of russell/quinn....that will all depend on the craziness of Al Davis.
 
This is really odd. I've been looking at peoples' mocks...just guys like you and me...on footballsfuture.com and some have landry going in the 20's

others have him going as high as arizona and i've seen a decent number that actually have us taking him at 8. i think a lot of people just base their mocks off of others and so it must spread around.
 
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