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McNair: Carr's Future in Limbo

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4530596.html

“David has been inconsistent, and we‘ve said that” McNair said at a Texas Bowl luncheon at the JW Marriott. “He’s had some good games and he’s had some games that haven’t been as good. He’s a tremendous athlete. We’ve got to get better consistency there, either with David or with some additional help. We need more consistency at quarterback.”

“We’ve been willing to do whatever we need to do to win. Really that hasn’t changed,” McNair said. “We let a number of veterans go last year and this season and we took a hit on the cap. It was in the best interest of our team. We’re going to do whatever we need to do to improve our team and win. That’s what we’re all about.”



Pretty much what we all expected.... just coming from the head honcho himself. Its going to be an interesting offseason. But no matter what.. you have to know all McNair wants to do is win.
 
Finally! Some real news!
Let the speculation begin!

"McNair has been one of Carr’s biggest supporters since the team drafted him with the No. 1 overall pick during their expansion season in 2002. But after five straight losing seasons that support appears to be waning. McNair has not publicly endorsed Carr in recent months and has declined to speculate on the quarterback’s future with the team for the 2007 season."

Music to my ears!
 
I'm glad to finally hear it. Seems like McNair's had an attachment to Carr that isn't exactly healthy.

Time to cut the cord.
 
"He targeted wide receiver, running back, defensive tackle, linebacker and safety as areas the Texans would like to bolster."
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What about DE ? Kubiak has said we still don't have a real pass rushing threat. You 2 need to get on the same page there BM.
And why WR ? You brought in 2 WR FAs last year who are your 2 & 3 guys after AJ. Gotta start making smarter personnel pickups, as the team just repeats the same mistake.
Hopefully RS can pull this team and its player evaluation selection process together.
 
McNair said the Texans would consider taking a salary cap hit by releasing a player, including Carr, if a suitable replacement can be found in free agency. Jake Plummer is believed to be a target of the Texans if he is released by the Denver Broncos.
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I have a feeling that "the snake" will be starting qb in 07.
 
Good article. I like this quote as well.

McNair added the Texans will be cautious in spending freely during the free-agent period after a few bad deals in the past.

“We’re not going to go out and get a player and pay more than he’s worth,” he said. “We have to get fair value for what we spend. We have to allocate these dollars very prudently.”
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Finally admitting that mistakes have been made is the first step toward correcting them.
 
To me this says they are going to do what they can to get something for David but the price has to be right.

If they don't get what they want, they are prepared to stay with David and wade it out by providing better talent around him.
 
TEXANS84 said:
I have a feeling that "the snake" will be starting qb in 07.
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Big mistake if Carr is his backup, IMO. Too much money at one position for mediocre QBs, at best.

I honestly won't be surprised if DC is in traning camp.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Good article. I like this quote as well.



Finally admitting that mistakes have been made is the first step toward correcting them.
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I think he is admitting it but he is also saying people were here spending stupidly but now Rick Smith has opened his eyes to a better way.
 
New_Texans said:
how is plummer an upgrade?
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Lets look at some combinations and permutations...

Plummer + Kubiak = Good
Plummer - Kubiak = Not good

Carr - Kubiak = Not good
Carr + Kubiak = Not good

All other things being equal, Plummer playing under Kubiak is a better option than Carr playing under Kubiak.
 
I wouldn't blink if they bring Plummer in if Kubiak believes him to be an upgrade over Carr. However, what happens if Denver doesn't want to just release him? I wouldn't want to give up any picks to get him. And another possibility, what if when he is released he doesn't want to come here? I know Kubiak is here, but what if Chicago wants to bring him in to compete with Rex? They have more cap room and are in a better position to make it to the big dance again next year. I'm not advocating for Carr, just pointing out that Plummer coming here is not a guarantee. Just some things to think about.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Quoted: McNair added the Texans will be cautious in spending freely during the free-agent period after a few bad deals in the past.

“We’re not going to go out and get a player and pay more than he’s worth,” he said. “We have to get fair value for what we spend. We have to allocate these dollars very prudently.”
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This is probably the best thing I've heard so far.
 
texansgal8 said:
If he is, there sure isn't anyone in the Draft they'd want, so would have to be a Vetern...Still say Plummer ends up here....Who else is left that would possibly want to come here???
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What about a trade for Aaron Rodgers? I don't see a problem in swapping Carr for Rodgers. Our O-Line is coming together right now, so going and making a deal for a guy like Rodgers, with Sage already here, makes sense to me. No need to take a cap hit by cutting David Carr if we can get something in return for him. In that scenario, no cap hit!!!! Why take a cap hit if we don't need to?
 
TEXANS84 said:
Plummer this season was 7-3 when he was benched.

Carr is 8-32 in the past two seasons.
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I guess I am getting old. The last time I looked, each season was for 16 games. Take that and multiply it times 2, and I get 32. But that is old school math. Don't know allot about the new math these days. Last year we won 2 games in reg season and this year we won 6, so there is your 8 OUT of 32 which leaves what?...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe it's just me, but IMO, Plummer is a definite upgrade over Carr.
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Depends on the price, including the dead cap money with cutting Carr. I think Plummer is a better QB than Carr, but it may not make sense when you run the numbers, especially from a cap perspective. It's not like Plummer is going to come in and sign for the league minimum.

The key next season is getting to 10 wins for a big springboard for the 2008 season. I just don't see how Plummer fits in the long range plans for the Texans and he isn't required to get to 10 wins.

Having said that...

IMO, Carr will be around next year.

The big change now is that Carr is officially on the hot seat and will be held directly responsible for the offense from game 1 starting next season. He is not guaranteed the starting job and will benched if his performance is not up to expectations. That's how I read this.

IT'S NOW OFFICIAL...

CARR, YOU BETTER BRING THE GOODS!!!!

GOOD LUCK BRO!!!!!
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I guess I am getting old. The last time I looked, each season was for 16 games. Take that and multiply it times 2, and I get 32. But that is old school math. Don't know allot about the new math these days. Last year we won 2 games in reg season and this year we won 6, so there is your 8 OUT of 32 which leaves what?...
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Good math, still working on a hangover. The OUT part was left off.
 
Navy_Chris said:
What about a trade for Aaron Rodgers? I don't see a problem in swapping Carr for Rodgers. Our O-Line is coming together right now, so going and making a deal for a guy like Rodgers, with Sage already here, makes sense to me. No need to take a cap hit by cutting David Carr if we can get something in return for him. In that scenario, no cap hit!!!! Why take a cap hit if we don't need to?
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Why in the world would Green Bay want to get rid of Rodgers? He is there future and they are gonna stick with the old man until he gets hurt and can't walk it seems. Just because Farve is coming back for yet another season doesn't mean they want Rodgers gone...
 
Navy_Chris said:
What about a trade for Aaron Rodgers? I don't see a problem in swapping Carr for Rodgers. Our O-Line is coming together right now, so going and making a deal for a guy like Rodgers, with Sage already here, makes sense to me. No need to take a cap hit by cutting David Carr if we can get something in return for him. In that scenario, no cap hit!!!! Why take a cap hit if we don't need to?
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Well the brief moments Aaron was playing, which was very little, i still wasn't impressed...The brief moments Sage played, i was impressed...Right now we need Veteren experience, not another Rookie who has not proven himself...If anything, Why not give Sage a chance first??? Why is everyone discrediting Sage?? He played well as a back up and we haven't even seen his full potential yet because he wasn't given that chance for a full game...
 
hollywood_texan said:
The big change now is that Carr is officially on the hot seat and will be held directly responsible for the offense from game 1 starting next season. He is not guaranteed the starting job and will benched if his performance
is not up to expectations. That's how I read this.
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If the Texans go into next season with that mind set, they should be embarrassed and ashamed.

That would mark the 6th year we went into the season with a question about the QB. It would be the 6th season that Carr has gotten to start, based on good faith and good vibes. The guy, IMO, played borderline awful this past season, and just about every season before that.

If I'm the Texans, as of right now, Carr is not my starter. I honestly believe the best move for Carr and the Texans is to part ways. It's time to start over and build the team how it should have been built in the first place.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If the Texans go into next season with that mind set, they should be embarrassed and ashamed.

That would mark the 6th year we went into the season with a question about the QB. It would be the 6th season that Carr has gotten to start, based on good faith and good vibes. The guy, IMO, played borderline awful this past season, and just about every season before that.

If I'm the Texans, as of right now, Carr is not my starter. I honestly believe the best move for Carr and the Texans is to part ways. It's time to start over and build the team how it should have been built in the first place.
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Totally hear ya, and agree with your analysis and conclusion.

However, you have to temper that with managing the salary cap next year and the years to come.

I say do it, but don't do it in way that could cause salary cap issues in the future. Having said that, keeping Carr for one more year and grooming a cheaper guy may be the better road than spending for Plummer or some other cast off QB.
 
hearing mcnair say anything other than "david will be our qb for next season" is music to my ears.
 
IDK if anyone's posted this, but if Plummer comes over here it doesn't exactly mean he'll be our QB of the future. Have him come in for 2-3 years and draft or sign a younger QB later. Plummer can help "groom" the QB when he comes off the bench.
 
Even if Plummer isnt an upgrade...we'd get the same production out of him at a cheaper price. This way we have some cash to improve other areas
 
texansgal8 said:
Well the brief moments Aaron was playing, which was very little, i still wasn't impressed...The brief moments Sage played, i was impressed...Right now we need Veteren experience, not another Rookie who has not proven himself...If anything, Why not give Sage a chance first??? Why is everyone discrediting Sage?? He played well as a back up and we haven't even seen his full potential yet because he wasn't given that chance for a full game...
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He's been given a chance for the past 6 yrs and 3 teams and is still just a good backup.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I would say Kubiak has coached both so if he says Plummer is an upgrade ... then I've got to think he's an upgrade .
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I was going to reply that your statement is hard to argue against, but then houstonhurricane made a good point:

houstonhurricane said:
Kubiak is also responsible for reviewing Carr and choosing to stick with him as the franchise quarterback...
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Personally, I see a lot of the same type of QB in both Plummer and Carr. Perhaps JP is more consistent, so he might get the nod. But it's still not enough to justify the salary that will be spent on one position.

Super Dave still managed a game and made a couple of plays to help us beat the Colts with a solid running game. This is what we can expect, and could build a team to meet those purposes. DC may not win games on his own, but we just need him not to lose them for us. Most teams do not have superstar QBs, and many win in spite of it.

I'm not a Carr 'lover' or 'hater', so I don't think we should move him "just because". Why bring in another QB that is basically a clone of what we've already got? Change for change's sake is not always conducive towards success.

texansgal8 said:
Well the brief moments Aaron was playing, which was very little, i still wasn't impressed...The brief moments Sage played, i was impressed...Right now we need Veteren experience, not another Rookie who has not proven himself...If anything, Why not give Sage a chance first??? Why is everyone discrediting Sage?? He played well as a back up and we haven't even seen his full potential yet because he wasn't given that chance for a full game...
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I've thought the same thing about Rosenfels, but the backup QB is always the most popular player on a team. For whatever reason(s), he has yet to earn a starting job wherever he goes. He might be a good career backup, but not so great when opposing defenses gameplan around him.
 
dgar3752 said:
Even if Plummer isnt an upgrade...we'd get the same production out of him at a cheaper price. This way we have some cash to improve other areas
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I'm not high on Plummer, but at least he is a Vetern...And might be the ONLY one available....Like i said before, who else is going to give up their good QB's...It is what it is, And the Texans better look at fixing up their lines because i bet our QB situation isn't going to change much...
 
Battle Red Bull said:
He never said that Kubiak said it. He said if Kubiak says it.....
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He used "IF" in the way that contends that Kubiak did indeed say this. Just reread the statement he made. Not really doubting what he said just don't remember Kubiak ever saying this or implying this. If I'm wrong it won't be the first time. Just ask my wife.
 
I would be a happy man if everyone go a fresh start. It is the only way to move forward.

It is like going back to that ex-girlfriend you have..she has a great body(arm) and gets along with your friend and family(potential) yet she always seems to psycho out and confuse you(NE and Oakland game).

The best bet is to walk away.
 
I've thought the same thing about Rosenfels, but the backup QB is always the most popular player on a team. For whatever reason(s), he has yet to earn a starting job wherever he goes. He might be a good career backup, but not so great when opposing defenses gameplan around him.
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Well Sage is only a last resort QB right now. But, If our QB situation doesn't change, Carr stays, and if he folds, then Kubs may give Sage a chance...He hasn't played even close to a full game, Unless you count pre season, so its hard to see what he can really do in all levels....That is if they DON'T go after Plummer. I just don't see a big change happening in the QB area. Not too many options out there...I hope i'm wrong....
 
Take a good look at the pic of Carr being sack, as this is the 'defensive position other posters have mentioned, also called the 'cowl down' or 'fetal position.' Carr is not going to get injured in this position...

Remember the TD Manning threw to a wide open receiver? He was hit and knocked to the ground as he threw the ball, but hung in to the last second to hit that WR. Carr wasn't looking for 'anyone,' he wanted to hit the ground and protect himself.

I'll leave it at that, except to say it's a shame Fran Tarkenton doesn't have a school on pocket control/management/scrambling...
 
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