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Could somebody give me a run down of how the OL looks right now?
Is Spencer going to be ready for season?
How did Winston perform this year?
Do we need another starter or just more depth?
Could somebody give me a run down of how the OL looks right now?
Is Spencer going to be ready for season?
How did Winston perform this year?
Do we need another starter or just more depth?
Could somebody give me a run down of how the OL looks right now?
Is Spencer going to be ready for season?
How did Winston perform this year?
Do we need another starter or just more depth?
O-line's still a work in progress. flanagan looked like he's lost his legs, pitts was consistant, and weary impressed some folks. weigert cant survive half a season and mckinney looks good for a couple games (same as always, lucky for him his only games were at the end of the season). salaam needs to be gone.
spencer's still a question, we're waiting to see if the cartilage(?) starts growing ... should only be a couple weeks before we're more certain.
winston was shaky but showed real good progress. i dont think he's starter material yet, but he might be with a full offseason to work on a few things.
both. center's up in the air, and i'd like a starting right tackle. if spencer doesnt come back we need a left tackle, too. we also need depth all over.
As the season ended, the line looked pretty abysmal. Salaam had a hard time keeping DEs from Carr, and so did Winston. The middle of the line probably looked the best it had with McKinney playing center, and the guards were erratic. They'd play well at one point, and then not so well the next.
I don't think many linemen will be cut. I suspect a lot of these guys will be kept as reserves/depth, so hopefully that answers your question. That includes Salaam, too, unfortunately.
Everything I have heard is that Spencer is doing well in his recovery and will be back. Since Weigert is clearly not the starting right tackle, that makes Winston the starter. Still too early for him to be starting, IMO, but despite his struggles, he showed improvement last season, and he is the best player available.
Although the guards seemed erratic, they are not the worst part of the line, so I think Pitts and Weary are set at guard for next year.
Flanagan and Hodgdon were not the answer last season. In fact, I believe Hodgdon will be gone before the season starts, and I suspect a Center will be drafted this year.
O-line's still a work in progress. flanagan looked like he's lost his legs, pitts was consistant, and weary impressed some folks. weigert cant survive half a season and mckinney looks good for a couple games (same as always, lucky for him his only games were at the end of the season). salaam needs to be gone.
spencer's still a question, we're waiting to see if the cartilage(?) starts growing ... should only be a couple weeks before we're more certain.
winston was shaky but showed real good progress. i dont think he's starter material yet, but he might be with a full offseason to work on a few things.
both. center's up in the air, and i'd like a starting right tackle. if spencer doesnt come back we need a left tackle, too. we also need depth all over.
I have a serious problem with anyone dogging Salaam on this message board. He gets SO much crap for his play this season, but NO respect for the good things. Let me remind all of you of a few things:
#1) Salaam was injured almost the entire year, and played through the injuries every single game.
#2) Salaam is old and has been moved around a lot. He's not a starting caliber LT at this point, nor was he ever supposed to be. He was a backup that was asked to fill in the ENTIRE season pretty much
#3) He was given the toughest job on the entire OL and I frankly think he did a pretty great job at it.
I for one hope he is back next year as a backup again. With the number of injuries we had, having an experienced guy to fill in is always a benefit. And he is as tough as they come.
I agree he is not starting material, but my problem is that he never proved capable of holding the position. If an offensive lineman can't protect the quarterback, even if he is a backup, should he be kept? IMO, no.
Likely in Kubes' mind, yes, because he can fit into multiple positions.
If this is your criteria, you'd have to have an entire OL of starters + backups that are probowl caliber. The reason backups are backups are because they can play the position decently well, but not consistently as well as others. Salaam is a vet with an iron will. He gave up way too many sacks and penalties to be a permanent fixture, but his role playing as a backup should not be ignored.
Now if you say gone, does that mean that you think we need to cut salaam? I doubt it. If Spencer does return and is able to stay healthy and strong, then salaam will still be a 2nd stringer mainly bc of his experience with the zone blocking. i thought for the most part he was serviceable enough to keep.
I say the line is the #1 target for the Texans this year... more important than LB's Dline and secondary. They run blocking has bee terrible at the beginning and average at the end. The passing game has been limited because of the poor protection. For this team to be better on offense I truely believe that the Oline is more a concern than QB.
I pretty much agree. We should get a tackle for depth by round 4. Might get a non left tackle lineman in free agency but do not expect a head turner just someone steady with a healthy body. I hope Weary & Winston can hold starter roles and see McKinney @ center. imo no one drafted in first 6 rounds for center. Weigert might make roster as a back up.Say spencer comes back 100% healthy, then he is our left tackle. Pitts is our best linemen as we speak at left guard. McKinney should start at center while we draft a young one in to be groomed and to take over when ready. Right Guard I think Weary has earned his spot, he just needs to stay healthy and improve a bit over the offseason and that could be his job to keep. I think putting Winston at right tackle is good, he just needs a good off season and I think he can be a good right tackle.
Depth however...there is none. Salaam Wiegert and Flanagan are just completely done. Hodgon doesn't belong in the nfl. Therefor if we face any injury, we are screwed, we need to build depth through the draft and free agency.
I have a serious problem with anyone dogging Salaam on this message board. He gets SO much crap for his play this season, but NO respect for the good things. Let me remind all of you of a few things:
#1) Salaam was injured almost the entire year, and played through the injuries every single game.
#2) Salaam is old and has been moved around a lot. He's not a starting caliber LT at this point, nor was he ever supposed to be. He was a backup that was asked to fill in the ENTIRE season pretty much
#3) He was given the toughest job on the entire OL and I frankly think he did a pretty great job at it.
I for one hope he is back next year as a backup again. With the number of injuries we had, having an experienced guy to fill in is always a benefit. And he is as tough as they come.
Is Spencer going to be ready for season?
Offensive tackles - Class features some premier top talent but, like guard, is not deep. Wisconsin’s Joe Thomas is a top-line left tackle, but Penn State’s Levi Brown, once his technique improves, .....
I've been wattching this thread. Lot of good opinions on it. The question I pose with the positives on the o-line....do you make a deal with Washington if by some miracle Joe Thomas falls out of the top three ? They have zero day one picks after the four. Do you go with all day, the DE/DT, or one of the safties at the eight. Or do you hold service and say Levi Brown is not the best the last three years...but he is the best option this year, he locks down our line this year, and pull the trigger on him at the eight ? Do you trade down and gamble that Levi Brown, by exposing him, is shakey enough to take that risk. You can fill a need even if you miss him ? The last question is a second teired guy good enough that you would except the sacks and go with him. Wait for the sixth year and address this in the '08 Draft. Knowing that by picking him at the forty...you're giving up a very good Wil/Sam linebacker or corner/Free safty prospect ? I am going under the assumption that Spencer will not be available to this team befor mid season, if at all. That scenario seems to fit this franchise better than cross your fingers and hope. We've had five years of nothing but bad news with our o-line. I don't believe Kubiak will except maybe after what he endured with Dominick Willams last year. One practice and done. Do you believe he will except that scenario again ? He doesn't want to think Specener will be ready to go. He'll want to see Spencer ready to go...befor the draft. JMHO.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm
As for trading up to get Thomas, I think we have way too many holes to fill to be giving up draft picks to move up.
One thing I hope the Texans don't do is try to get a LT in FA and have to overpay him. There aren't any good LT's out there in FA IMO, and if there were, the team that has them would do everything it can to resign them and not let them go. JMHO!
Could somebody give me a run down of how the OL looks right now?
Is Spencer going to be ready for season?
How did Winston perform this year?
Do we need another starter or just more depth?
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