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Manfull: Reeves Wanted Young From the Get-Go

Let me guess....I bet he said to pick Demeco too. I also told my parents to invest in Microsoft.....yeah. Saying it after the fact means nothing to me.
 
Kinda funny.... I was just thinking about the Dan Reeves thing last night when I heard him on the game radio broadcast.

He was hired to go through the whole organization and make recommendations about who should stay and who should go. After hearing this, I can't help but think that he probably advised to get rid of Carr along with Capers and Casserly....but McNair wasn't having it.

I doubt we'll ever really know what was said behind closed doors.
 
"I don't know if they ever asked my advice, but I looked at (Young) and told them that he was a guy they would have to consider even with David Carr there," Reeves said.
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Even though we heard this awhile back from McClain and other sources, there it is right there from the horses mouth. And come on Coach, you know
Bob McNair asked you about Carr and VY and you know you gave him your
opinion.
But he is your fellow S. Carolina U. alum, and your golfing partner, your buddy.
Of course you've got his back on this and don't want to make him appear any
more foolish than he's got to feel right now for not taking your advice.
Good luck in the E-W Shrine game Coach. Enjoy yourself while your in town this week.
 
mexican_texan said:
I'm serious. I like Mario. With a bum foot, he was a pretty dominant run stuffer.
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Pal, you are a no-brainer. Young was the correct choice. Some knew it then; everyone knows it now.

That McNair hired Reeves and then did not take his advice is just plain stupidity. It's pathetic. McNair may be "nicer" than Bud, but he's dumber.
 
i like mario, but i'd rather have Vince

but am i the only one thats fed up with bob McNair?

the guy keeps players because he like there personality, this is football old man, we need talent

F*%$ this pisses me off now
 
If you VY lovers weren't so enamorated, you would see Mario isn't the horrible bust your kind seems to make him out to be.
 
mexican_texan said:
If you VY lovers weren't so enamorated, you would see Mario isn't the horrible bust your kind seems to make him out to be.
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I love mario, hes a good player, even with the injury he was still all over the place, but im just sayin this franchise would be better off with vince young, but bob doesnt seem to care about the franchise he wants to have a team full of friends on this team
 
dunta23 said:
I love mario, hes a good player, even with the injury he was still all over the place, but im just sayin this franchise would be better off with vince young, but bob doesnt seem to care about the franchise he wants to have a team full of friends on this team
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In the long run, I think we're better off with Mario.
 
mexican_texan said:
In the long run, I think we're better off with Mario.
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i think you might be pushin it on that one, but i think with not takin Vince we are 2 years behind on were we should be, cause were not gonna get a long run startin QB this season, but maybe next, and theres no way to get into the playoffs with david carr, maybe plummer but not carr
 
I too was happy that we drafted Mario. I think that VY is a very talented athlete. I just don't think that he was right for the Texans at the time. Maybe as a running back. Call me crazy. Call me a fool. Just my opinion. I hope that we keep on looking at linemen and defensive backs.
:stirpot:
 
If you VY lovers weren't so enamorated, you would see Mario isn't the horrible bust your kind seems to make him out to be
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no one said Mario was horrible, but he's "not" Vince Young.


In the long run, I think we're better off with Mario.
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and how do you come to that conclusion???? I'm just curious.

I too was happy that we drafted Mario. I think that VY is a very talented athlete. I just don't think that he was right for the Texans at the time. Maybe as a running back. Call me crazy. Call me a fool. Just my opinion. I hope that we keep on looking at linemen and defensive backs.
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yeah he wasn't right for us, Vince deserves better....
 
Let me put it this way. I'd rather have Mario than Freeney. The Colts of last season would've been nothing without Freeney. I'll let you add that up.

...and this conversation is old. Months old. Defense wins championships, great QBs don't equal great teams, blah, blah, blah. Let's just say I'm sticking with my team, I'm sticking with my guy. I've accepted that we don't have VY, since around February, and I've accepted he is the enemy, since around September. I'm anti-Titan, therefore, anti-Vince as long as he's with them.
 
dunta23 said:
i think you might be pushin it on that one, but i think with not takin Vince we are 2 years behind on were we should be, cause were not gonna get a long run startin QB this season, but maybe next, and theres no way to get into the playoffs with david carr, maybe plummer but not carr
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i had to roll with your avatar for a schmidge here...

you see that throw by Grossman?!?! great NFL this weekend

as for the whole Reeves debacle, it's just part and parcel of the McNair style of NFL ownership. He lets his pride/stubborness and relationships influence himself during the decision making process. Think about it, not only did McNair not draft Young but he locked up Carr to the longest option available off his rookie contract. Why would anyone worry about locking Carr unless they were worried about hurting David's feelings. Reeves probably said to let Carr hit the open market, draft Young, and if possible bring Carr back after he hits market. McNair did the opposite.
 
glad someone's joinin up, maybe mr mcnair will look at the board one day and see our disgust and get his head out of his @$$
 
The Steelers showed the world last year that you don't need a great QB to win a Super Bowl.
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yes, but you also can't have a crappy one either....and the Cowboys,Packers,49ers,Broncos,Patriots,etc. show that a great QB doesn't hurt your chances in winning the big one.
 
Dream there is something wrong with you, your still cryin about last years draft, give it up
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get out the thread then.....the thread is about us passing on VY and there are people still here defending the idiotic decision that the Texans made.
 
Idiotic would be calling a draft pick bad after one year.
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not really......at this point everyone with a brain pretty much knows that VY will "at least" be a pretty damn good QB......he already almost led his team to the post-season in his rookie season....he can only get better.....taking Mario was and always will be a mistake.....you can tell A LOT about a player from his first season.
 
You mean like dominating with a bum foot? No team ran at Mario. That's already worth a 4th overall pick if you ask the Jets. A healthy Mario will be great. He's 1337.
 
You mean like dominating with a bum foot? No team ran at Mario. That's already worth a 4th overall pick if you ask the Jets. A healthy Mario will be great. He's 1337.
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man get real, teams didn't fear Mario, there wasn't anything "dominating" that he did this year.......and "4th" overall isn't "1st" overall.
 
it is too bad we didn't draft Mario,Bush and young last season.. boy the Mb would be quiet
:heh:
 
mexican_texan said:
Bob's a figurehead.
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For whom? His investment group? They are an "investment group" for a reason - they put up the money, and he puts up a smaller portion of the money and makes the decisions.

McNair made the decision on Carr. Casserly was on his way out and Kubiak was on his way in, so they really couldn't be much help. That pretty much leaves McNair. Even though you noted later that there's more to a FO, I don't know why people ranked lower than those three would be the ones making the decision.

It's not about Mario vs. Vince. I like Mario, and I think he's going to be pretty darn good. But to choose David Carr over Vince Young - especially against the advice of the advisor who he brought in because supposedly he didn't know who/what was the problem with his franchise - now that's where I take issue.
 
my biggest beef (besides Carr) is that I really don't see Mario becoming a "great" player that was worthy of the first pick in a loaded draft....I think he might be a good player, but there are certain things that I didn't see from him this year that makes me think that he won't be "great"
 
Tulip said:
For whom? His investment group? They are an "investment group" for a reason - they put up the money, and he puts up a smaller portion of the money and makes the decisions.

McNair made the decision on Carr. Casserly was on his way out and Kubiak was on his way in, so they really couldn't be much help. That pretty much leaves McNair. Even though you noted later that there's more to a FO, I don't know why people ranked lower than those three would be the ones making the decision.

It's not about Mario vs. Vince. I like Mario, and I think he's going to be pretty darn good. But to choose David Carr over Vince Young - especially against the advice of the advisor who he brought in because supposedly he didn't know who/what was the problem with his franchise - now that's where I take issue.
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McNair dishes out a lot of dough to people who make the decision with him, or in some cases, for him.

I agree with you about the Carr/Young thing. I've known for about a year that we wouldn't get Young because of the arrogance to keep Carr. Reeves may have been for Young, but he was also for Carr. Carr was the cheaper option, but it was still a bad desicion. Not just because we could have had Young, Leinart, Cutler, Kellen Clemens, etc., but because we're forced to keep Carr for three years on the payroll or on the team.
 
The Dream said:
my biggest beef (besides Carr) is that I really don't see Mario becoming a "great" player that was worthy of the first pick in a loaded draft....I think he might be a good player, but there are certain things that I didn't see from him this year that makes me think that he won't be "great"
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Where as I, along with many others, saw plays that made us think Mario would be great. Question that and I'll bring up quotes from coaches saying the same thing. While I think Young will be what Mike Vick was supposed to be, I also think Mario will be great. Young was just healthier this season.
 
The Dream said:
my biggest beef (besides Carr) is that I really don't see Mario becoming a "great" player that was worthy of the first pick in a loaded draft....I think he might be a good player, but there are certain things that I didn't see from him this year that makes me think that he won't be "great"
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It's kind of hard to show your full potential when you have a bad foot injury.
 
Young was just better this season.
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you're correct.


It's kind of hard to show your full potential when you have a bad foot injury.
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it's the NFL, players stay injured....even before the "injury" Mario didn't impress me enough to make me think he was worth the first pick
 
Some how I knew you couldn't go a whole week without throwing another one of these threads up. Mind Boggeling.

How many 52%'s is the water walker going to have to put up before you will say.."we were wrong" . Agreed the best thing that happened in the draft last year was we got the Reggie White prospect. Thumb tacks got the RB/WR masquerading as a passer. We should own them for the next ten years. Or untill rag top dies. And they can say it all they want that he can......but Bush still can't operate between the tackles. They paid alot for an Eric Metcaf wanna be.
 
The Dream said:
you're correct.




it's the NFL, players stay injured....even before the "injury" Mario didn't impress me enough to make me think he was worth the first pick
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OK, lets see how Vince does playing with Mario's foot injury for half of a season. I can almost guarantee you that he would look terrible.
 
threetoedpete said:
Some how I knew you couldn't go a whole week without throwing another on of these threads up. Mind Boggeling.

How many 52%'s is the water walker going to have to put up before you will say.."we were wrong" . Agreed the best thing that happened in the draft last year was we got the Reggie White prospect. Thumb tacks got the RB/WR masquerading as a passer. We should own them for the next ten years. Or untill rag top dies. And they can say it all they want that he can......but Bush still can't operate between the tackles. They paid alot for an Eric Metcaf wanna be.
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The bottom line is this:

Vince Young and Reggie Bush made a hell of a lot more of an impact than the one Mario made here.

To deny that is ignorant.
 
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