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Sorry,but another Carr thread

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A-B

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I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.
 

profan

Waterboy
Well, the fact is carr is not going to be here sitting on the bench. He will either be traded to another team, released, or he will stay and start next season. We may have a better qb on the roster, but they will never get the chance with dc here. If he goes, we have a true qb competition. If he stays, he will be given the job again. No doubt about it in my mind.
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.

The only two I have seen taken seriously are Garcia and Plummer. Garcia still has some moxy, as we saw this year, and Plummer's best year was with Kubes. The reason is because Carr can't handle the position. You can let one of these guys play for a year while a young guy learns. I'd do the same behind Rosenfels. Why keep a problem who you have to hide behind others when a better QB might all of a sudden make the O-line and RB better?
 

threetoedpete

Hall of Fame
Why be sorry. You haven't had your crack at the whip yet. How much more life force can be drainded from the cadaver at this point in the only thing that is questionable in your choice of topics. But dig in. One more can't hurt.
If you throw them another oportunity, I'm sure they'll rejoice at the chance to pick at the cadaver.
 
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.
The problem with Carr is his price tag.

If you get the same production or better with a lot less money spent, that should be a better deal.
 
I dont want any of those guys. They are all over or on the hill.

Rosenfelds i think will do a great job. Really really do. And i heard Kubes describing him as a real leader and the team really gravitates to him. That's what we need a Leader and that most of all is what Carr is lacking (oh yeah and pocket presence).

You can see it in the preseason where we won! For the first time we were 3-1 in pre and i think that's why i personally was so disappointed. And guess what game we lost in pre season the one david paid.


So keep the over the hill gang. Let Sage play and get a decent draft pick who can be developed.
 

Tailgate

Fall of Hame
Bledsoe especially does not fit this system. We need atleast a FAIRLY mobile QB for the rollouts,etc.
 

Blake

MMQB
I would LOVE to have him as our QB next year.
Are you kidding me? Garcia? Really?

They only way I want to get another QB, is if we trade Carr for a 1st or high 2nd round pick.

Either stick with Sage/David, or trade Carr and bring in a rookie to learn from Sage.
 

MightyTExan

It's go time!
What's up with Quinton Porter? Any guy that Kubiak picks deserves some looking into. Anyone know how he looks in camp? Might be his ace in the hole.
And another thing, get Alex Gibbs in here!
 

thunderkyss

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I'm not sold on the idea that David will not be a Texan next year. I understand Kubiak is being Coy about the situation, and David didn't look like an All Pro this year, but who expected him to??

Far as I know David has done everything Kubiak has asked him to and remains coachable. If he'd draw up some crossing patterns that challenges the defense... about who they'll cover, then maybe we can get some wide open recievers downfield, and David will throw them the ball..... if they are the first read that is.

Or if the WR would get some seperation he'd throw them the ball..... if they are the first read.

I'm not a David Carr fan, but I can't imagine anyone thinking he would have done better than what he did...... Especially if he looked at all the tape he said he did, and talked football with David like he said he did before giving him that big bonus.

Tell you what........ I'm pretty disappointed in this QB guru. I think I'll go start another thread.
 

Second Honeymoon

Hall of Fame
Are you kidding me? Garcia? Really?

They only way I want to get another QB, is if we trade Carr for a 1st or high 2nd round pick.

Either stick with Sage/David, or trade Carr and bring in a rookie to learn from Sage.
You do realize that will happen when :pigfly: ?

Carr's only chance at being traded is to be traded for another player who is also not earning his contract who the Texans think is worth the risk. It is IMHO the ONLY way Carr is traded. Overpaid underachiever for overpaid underachiever. Otherwise, the other teams will just wait till Carr is cut and he becomes a FA. It's all pretty logical when you look at it....that is assuming the Texans dont want Carr back after all.

we know what the fans want.....TO WIN
 

demecoryans#1fan

Practice Squad
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.
I totally agree with every thing you just said and think (even though Garcia's doing nasty right now) that Garcia's just too old to be insurance to an injury prone Mcnabb or Culpepper (still has the coolest name in NFL history).:marionaner:
 

thunderkyss

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You do realize that will happen when :pigfly: ?

Carr's only chance at being traded is to be traded for another player who is also not earning his contract who the Texans think is worth the risk. It is IMHO the ONLY way Carr is traded. Overpaid underachiever for overpaid underachiever. Otherwise, the other teams will just wait till Carr is cut and he becomes a FA. It's all pretty logical when you look at it....that is assuming the Texans dont want Carr back after all.

we know what the fans want.....TO WIN
Ricky Williams.
 

demecoryans#1fan

Practice Squad
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.
I totally agree with every thing you just said and think (even though Garcia's doing nasty right now) that Garcia's just too old to be insurance to an injury prone Mcnabb or Culpepper (still has the coolest name in NFL history).:marionaner:
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better?
I think that Bledsoe is much, much worse and doesn't fit in the system. I wouldn't want him.

I think that Plummer is slightly better than Carr but still seriously flawed. Although, I'd be really pleased if he came, Kubiak got another 18 td/7 int season out of him, and then he self-destructs in the playoffs.

I think that Garcia is better than Carr but he's old and should only be brought in to start for a year while we groom someone else to be The Guy.

Culpepper... I think Culpepper can't do it physically anymore. I wouldn't want him.
 

Tulip

Veteran
Question: does anyone know the value of Joey Harrington's contract when he was traded?

Is it possible that the Texans would get less for Carr than the Lions got for Harrington because of Carr's high salary numbers for 2007 & 2008?
 

NATHANHALE

Waterboy
I see your point on this one, because of our cap or the lack thereof.


So to quote Einstein, " The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting it to work." ?
This has been the Texans 'philosophy' since our 1st year.....
 

reilli

Practice Squad
Ricky Williams

Isn't he suspended for a year even if he does come back for missing a drug test?
Actually no, he can play this year. IF he comes back, I heard he liked the CFL & was thinking about staying (no drug tests?) Also the new coach may not be as supportive as Saban was. He may not be welcomed back by a new coach.
 

thunderkyss

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Actually no, he can play this year. IF he comes back, I heard he liked the CFL & was thinking about staying (no drug tests?) Also the new coach may not be as supportive as Saban was. He may not be welcomed back by a new coach.
It doesn't matter who the coach is. The Dolphins got shafted, and need to get something for the Money Ricky done smoked. Ricky will be back to fulfill his end of the contract.

With Cadillac's health issues in '06, it would be nice to get another proven back, with out having to spend anymore money... or a first round pick when they have other issues on the team.

Now if they don't want to deal with Ricky, the could trade him, and at least get something out of the deal.... In our case, we'd probably have to sweeten the pot a little........ SamKonGado maybe?? Roc Alexander?? Quinton Porter?? Dexter McLeon??

Ricky would be closer to home...... and suddenly all his mental issues will be solved. fingers crossed
 
R

real

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you get rid off carr and replace him with someone else it will be more expensive than just keeping him.
I heard our G.M on 790 this morning and apparently thats not an issue...He said that it's something you have to think about, but he also said that if he felt like a player wasn't helping the team then that would overide any salary issues...

IMHO, from the interview it doesn't sound too promising for Carr...He said that Carr didn't play up to expectations this year....He said that he grasped some of the things that Kubiak was trying to teach him, but some things he didn't....He wouldn't comment on whether or not Carr would be here next year because of negotiation purposes, but he said that we will be definitely bringing in someone to compete for the starting spot whether it be through the draft or free agency....I find this refreshing because it was far from the ringing endorsement that our owner had given him....


I find it very hard to imagine that Carr will be the starting QB for the Texans next year...
 

Johnny Utah

Rookie
I heard our G.M on 790 this morning and apparently thats not an issue...He said that it's something you have to think about, but he also said that if he felt like a player wasn't helping the team then that would overide any salary issues...

IMHO, from the interview it doesn't sound too promising for Carr...He said that Carr didn't play up to expectations this year....He said that he grasped some of the things that Kubiak was trying to teach him, but some things he didn't....He wouldn't comment on whether or not Carr would be here next year because of negotiation purposes, but he said that we will be definitely bringing in someone to compete for the starting spot whether it be through the draft or free agency....I find this refreshing because it was far from the ringing endorsement that our owner had given him....


I find it very hard to imagine that Carr will be the starting QB for the Texans next year...
I heard it as well. He basically said the QB play this year was a disappointment. From what we are hearing from Kubiak and Smith they both sound like they want to bring in someone else to play QB. It just depends on if McNair would be willing to let go of Carr.
 

bckey

All Pro
I dont want any of those guys. They are all over or on the hill.

Rosenfelds i think will do a great job. Really really do. And i heard Kubes describing him as a real leader and the team really gravitates to him. That's what we need a Leader and that most of all is what Carr is lacking (oh yeah and pocket presence).

You can see it in the preseason where we won! For the first time we were 3-1 in pre and i think that's why i personally was so disappointed. And guess what game we lost in pre season the one david paid.


So keep the over the hill gang. Let Sage play and get a decent draft pick who can be developed.
Exactly what I hope the Texans do.
 

TexanFanInCC

Veteran
i dont understand why some of you are fantacizing about jeff garcia. there is no way the eagles would want to let jeff garcia go considering how well he is playing and how injury prone mcnabb has been the last 3 seasons. the eagles NEED that insurance with garcia. i seriously doubt that the eagles are not going to put up a fight to keep him.
 

powerfuldragon

Enchilada Aficionado.
I just had a question. I've been thumbing through all the posts on all the threads and no matter the subject Carr comes up. O.k. the question, Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better? Bledsoe,well self-explanatory he's horrible, Plummer has had one good season and was benched the next. Garcia is almost 37 and Culpepper is not healthy and looks to be injury prone. So you say bring one of these guys in and draft a rookie. Why not keep Carr put a healthy running back and O-line around him and still get rookie. Then if the rookie or Rosenfel's takes Carr's place so be it. I just can't see trying to fix a "problem" with a problem.

this post contains too much logic and common sense for these forums.
 

tulexan

Hall of Fame
It doesn't matter who the coach is. The Dolphins got shafted, and need to get something for the Money Ricky done smoked. Ricky will be back to fulfill his end of the contract.

With Cadillac's health issues in '06, it would be nice to get another proven back, with out having to spend anymore money... or a first round pick when they have other issues on the team.

Now if they don't want to deal with Ricky, the could trade him, and at least get something out of the deal.... In our case, we'd probably have to sweeten the pot a little........ SamKonGado maybe?? Roc Alexander?? Quinton Porter?? Dexter McLeon??

Ricky would be closer to home...... and suddenly all his mental issues will be solved. fingers crossed
Two things,

One, what does Cadillac have to do with the Dolphins?
Two, Ricky Williams is from San Diego, he is still far from home.
 

reilli

Practice Squad
Two, Ricky Williams is from San Diego, he is still far from home.
He bought his Mom a home here (in Austin).

I heard this morning on Cold Pizza that he has applied to come back to the Dolphins this fall and has passed all required drug tests. Yay! :thumbup
 

thunderkyss

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Two things,

One, what does Cadillac have to do with the Dolphins?
Two, Ricky Williams is from San Diego, he is still far from home.
ONe..... I don't know... I guess I f@#$ed up.... I meant Ronnie Brown.... it's hard to get these injury prone running backs seperated.

Two.... he loves Austin... that's where he wants to be.
 

thunderkyss

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i dont understand why some of you are fantacizing about jeff garcia. there is no way the eagles would want to let jeff garcia go considering how well he is playing and how injury prone mcnabb has been the last 3 seasons. the eagles NEED that insurance with garcia. i seriously doubt that the eagles are not going to put up a fight to keep him.
It's all about money....... Garcia is a FA when the season is over.
 

Vinny

shiny happy fan
you get rid off carr and replace him with someone else it will be more expensive than just keeping him.
I don't know what you are afraid of by replacing him. Everyone else in the NFL changes QB's when they don't produce...we shouldn't be an exception. 24 NFL teams have switched their QB's since 2002. Only Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady , Mike Vick, Trent Green, and Tom Brady have been the starting QB for the same team since 2002. The people who don't want to replace Carr need to wake up and look around the NFL.

2002 starters replaced during Carr's first 5 seasons:

Rich Gannon / Raiders
Steve McNair / Titans
Mark Brunell / Jaguars
Drew Bledsoe / Bills
Aaron Brooks / Saints
Jeff Garcia / 49ers
Daunte Culpepper / Vikings
Tim Couch / Browns
Kerry Collins / Giants
Brian Griese / Broncos
Kordell Stewart / Steelers
Brad Johnson / Buccaneers
Jim Miller / Bears
Jay Fiedler / Dolphins
Vinny Testaverde / Jets
Trent Green / Chiefs
Jake Plummer / Cardinals
Trent Dilfer / Seahawks
Drew Brees / Chargers
Kurt Warner / Rams
Quincy Carter / Cowboys
Rodney Peete / Panthers
Joey Harrington / Lions
Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel and Patrick Ramsey / Redskins
Akili Smith / Bengals
Chris Redman / Ravens
 

Second Honeymoon

Hall of Fame
I don't know what you are afraid of by replacing him. Everyone else in the NFL changes QB's when they don't produce...we shouldn't be an exception. 24 NFL teams have switched their QB's since 2002. Only Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady , Mike Vick, Trent Green, and Tom Brady have been the starting QB for the same team since 2002. The people who don't want to replace Carr need to wake up and look around the NFL.

2002 starters replaced during Carr's first 5 seasons:

Rich Gannon / Raiders
Steve McNair / Titans
Mark Brunell / Jaguars
Drew Bledsoe / Bills
Aaron Brooks / Saints
Jeff Garcia / 49ers
Daunte Culpepper / Vikings
Tim Couch / Browns
Kerry Collins / Giants
Brian Griese / Broncos
Kordell Stewart / Steelers
Brad Johnson / Buccaneers
Jim Miller / Bears
Jay Fiedler / Dolphins
Vinny Testaverde / Jets
Trent Green / Chiefs
Jake Plummer / Cardinals
Trent Dilfer / Seahawks
Drew Brees / Chargers
Kurt Warner / Rams
Quincy Carter / Cowboys
Rodney Peete / Panthers
Joey Harrington / Lions
Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel and Patrick Ramsey / Redskins
Akili Smith / Bengals
Chris Redman / Ravens
He speaks the truth. I really quoted the post for your comment 'Dom B Free'...that is downright hilarious
 

DocBar

Hall of Fame
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The only two I have seen taken seriously are Garcia and Plummer. Garcia still has some moxy, as we saw this year, and Plummer's best year was with Kubes. The reason is because Carr can't handle the position. You can let one of these guys play for a year while a young guy learns. I'd do the same behind Rosenfels. Why keep a problem who you have to hide behind others when a better QB might all of a sudden make the O-line and RB better?[/QUOTE]
Do you REALLY believe that?That has to be the least thought out comment I've ever read on here. NO QB to EVER play the game could possibly make our O-line look better. O-lines make QB's and RB's look good. SOMETIMES RB's make O-lines look good. The rest of your post makes some sense, but that last part is just crazy. FWIW, I would rather stick with the guys we have and draft rather than try FA.
 

Second Honeymoon

Hall of Fame
The only two I have seen taken seriously are Garcia and Plummer. Garcia still has some moxy, as we saw this year, and Plummer's best year was with Kubes. The reason is because Carr can't handle the position. You can let one of these guys play for a year while a young guy learns. I'd do the same behind Rosenfels. Why keep a problem who you have to hide behind others when a better QB might all of a sudden make the O-line and RB better?[/QUOTE]
Do you REALLY believe that?That has to be the least thought out comment I've ever read on here. NO QB to EVER play the game could possibly make our O-line look better. O-lines make QB's and RB's look good. SOMETIMES RB's make O-lines look good. The rest of your post makes some sense, but that last part is just crazy. FWIW, I would rather stick with the guys we have and draft rather than try FA.

A good QB can do wonders for your OL and RB situations. It doesn't only go one way. I know that goes against everything the sheeple have been saying for years, but its the truth. Just look at this season for crying out loud.

To be honest, a good QB can do more for a bad OL than a bad QB can do behind a good OL. Face it, the guy just kinda sucks...its sad but its just reality
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
I don't know what you are afraid of by replacing him. Everyone else in the NFL changes QB's when they don't produce...we shouldn't be an exception. 24 NFL teams have switched their QB's since 2002. Only Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Tom Brady , Mike Vick, Trent Green, and Tom Brady have been the starting QB for the same team since 2002. The people who don't want to replace Carr need to wake up and look around the NFL.

2002 starters replaced during Carr's first 5 seasons:

Rich Gannon / Raiders
Steve McNair / Titans
Mark Brunell / Jaguars
Drew Bledsoe / Bills
Aaron Brooks / Saints
Jeff Garcia / 49ers
Daunte Culpepper / Vikings
Tim Couch / Browns
Kerry Collins / Giants
Brian Griese / Broncos
Kordell Stewart / Steelers
Brad Johnson / Buccaneers
Jim Miller / Bears
Jay Fiedler / Dolphins
Vinny Testaverde / Jets
Trent Green / Chiefs
Jake Plummer / Cardinals
Trent Dilfer / Seahawks
Drew Brees / Chargers
Kurt Warner / Rams
Quincy Carter / Cowboys
Rodney Peete / Panthers
Joey Harrington / Lions
Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel and Patrick Ramsey / Redskins
Akili Smith / Bengals
Chris Redman / Ravens

Sing it brother! Quoted for Truth, Justice, and the American Way! :marionaner:

Oh, and Docbar, you're just plain wrong. A QB most certainly can make a line look better. Even Kubes himself has publicly stated that many sacks have been on David himself. Get with the program. :ok:
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
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Yes, all of those guys are better.
That's debatable, IMO. I'm not sold on any of them.

I find it very hard to imagine that Carr will be the starting QB for the Texans next year...
My mind can easily grasp both scenarios, and I'm mentally preparing myself for the potential reality of Carr's return.

I don't think many teams will offer much for Carr, so I don't see that option really panning out. And I don't see the FO cutting him to take a cap hit, only to sign a vet QB that is basically on the same level.

I think the most likely scenario - at least to me - is to bring Carr back and make him actually compete for the job against Rosenfels and whoever else they bring in camp through FA and/or the draft.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
That's debatable, IMO. I'm not sold on any of them.



My mind can easily grasp both scenarios, and I'm mentally preparing myself for the potential reality of Carr's return.

I don't think many teams will offer much for Carr, so I don't see that option really panning out. And I don't see the FO cutting him to take a cap hit, only to sign a vet QB that is basically on the same level.

I think the most likely scenario - at least to me - is to bring Carr back and make him actually compete for the job against Rosenfels and whoever else they bring in camp through FA and/or the draft.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Throwing Virtual Rotten Tomatoes.... :shoot: :shots: :goodnight
 

DocBar

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Sing it brother! Quoted for Truth, Justice, and the American Way! :marionaner:

Oh, and Docbar, you're just plain wrong. A QB most certainly can make a line look better. Even Kubes himself has publicly stated that many sacks have been on David himself. Get with the program. :ok:
Name one that has.
 
Im sorry but I think Sage sux!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously he isn't that good in my opinion.....A good back-up, but not good as a starter.....he did good in pre-season.....guess what against scrubs who only want to be part of the team...when realistically they get cut or are 3rd stringers.....come on go get a rookie let kubes mold him for a year then fight david in his 3rd and final year of his contract.........
 

ATX

Hall of Fame
Im sorry but I think Sage sux!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously he isn't that good in my opinion.....A good back-up, but not good as a starter.....he did good in pre-season.....guess what against scrubs who only want to be part of the team...when realistically they get cut or are 3rd stringers.....come on go get a rookie let kubes mold him for a year then fight david in his 3rd and final year of his contract.........
I believe he threw 3 TDs against the titans when he replaced Carr. I don't think Carr threw for 3 TDs in a half this year. As a matter of fact, I don't believe Carr has ever thrown for more than 3 TDs in a game, but maybe I'm wrong.
 
Why would you want to get rid of Carr and replace him with Bledsoe,Plummer,Garcia, or Culpepper. Seriously do you think any of these guys are better?
Because they aren't thinking that far ahead. They believe in "addition by subtraction". They believe we can simply subtract ourselves to the promised land.
 
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