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"strongest arms ever"? Thats a pretty heavy endorsement!


JaMarcus Russell's decision to impact draft

LSU junior quarterback JaMarcus Russell is expected to be a first round selection should he enter the NFL draft. He has yet to give any indication on what his decision will be, but teams, players, and agents are all anxious to learn if the 6'-6" QB with a cannon for an arm will go pro. If he does, it will change the make up of the entire top of the draft.

The number one overall pick will lose some of it's value as Brady Quinn won't be the only elite QB in the draft. Teams won't want to give up as much to move into the first pick.

Brady Quinn will have some competition for the first QB taken. Most scouts still rank Quinn higher then Russell right now. However, that could change after Russell displays his skills for scouts during the combine and workouts. Some say Russell has one of the strongest arms to ever play the game.

Troy Smith might fall to the second round. The Smith bandwagon has been picking up steam and many consider him a first rounder. That could change with both Quinn and Russell expected to go higher then him.


http://www.footballsfuture.com/news/2006/12/jamarcus-russells-decision-to-impact.html
 
Silver Oak said:
"strongest arms ever"? Thats a pretty heavy endorsement!
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I've been saying for weeks that Russell will shoot up the boards when it is all said and done....he is a stud and a very impressive prospect. He can throw the ball the length of the field....has a huge arm
 
Texas_Thrill said:
lead foot version of michael vick?

I mean great he has a strong arm but is he accurate? does he have any touch?
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why? because he is black? Why does everyone compare every black QB to Michael Vick? They are not even remotely the same type body or QB.
 
Vinny said:
why? because he is black? Why does everyone compare every black QB to Michael Vick? They are not even remotely the same type body or QB.
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lol, vinny it has NOTHING to do with the fact he's black TRUST me. if you recall when vick came out though they said the same thing about his arm. for my money vick has the strongest arm in the NFL. one of the strongest ever really but his accuracy has plagued him. I'm asking if the same is TRUE of Russell? It was not a knock on the kid just a question.
 
Vinny said:
why? because he is black? Why does everyone compare every black QB to Michael Vick? They are not even remotely the same type body or QB.
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I think he meant it as a question, not a race remark.

And to answer the earlier question, it looks like he has good accuracy. I have not seen alot, but he seemed to have some touch.
 
okie dokie....I just see that too much, and I knee-jerked it...I'm sure you were commenting on arm strength so I gotcha.
 
Russell has a 68% completion percentage. his only flaw is when lsu is down and they need to come back he tries to force it to much, but he has gotten alot better though.
 
rmartin65 said:
I think he meant it as a question, not a race remark.

And to answer the earlier question, it looks like he has good accuracy. I have not seen alot, but he seemed to have some touch.
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thank you. from what i recall these days everyone is comparing troy smith to drew brees.
 
Smokedawg said:
Russell has a 68% completion percentage. his only flaw is when lsu is down and they need to come back he tries to force it to much, but he has gotten alot better though.
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As opposed to David Carr, who smiles and looks pretty for the cameras in that situation.
 
who will LSU be playing in their bowl game?

also given that kubes says he likes a more mobile qb does Russell fit in here?
 
I like Russell...... only watched three or four games though.

If the Texans Draft Russell..... I'm sure we'd be called idiots for a long time.... passing on Vince/Lienart/Cutler/Brees & all.....

If we don't draft Russell...... I'm sure we'd be called idiots for a long time..... passin on Vince/Lienart/Cutler/Brees & all....
 
Texas_Thrill said:
who will LSU be playing in their bowl game?

also given that kubes says he likes a more mobile qb does Russell fit in here?
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THey play Notre Dame, so he should get good stats.lol he is actually very mobile and extremely hard to bring down. he is bigger than everyone on defense except the DT. so thats say alot. i remember in the Tennesee game the DE came and hit him as hard as he could and Russell didnt even bugde.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
who will LSU be playing in their bowl game?

also given that kubes says he likes a more mobile qb does Russell fit in here?
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I don't think mobile is the right word. He reminds me of Culpepper... he's a big guy, kinda hard to bring down.... and he's not going to stand there and let you tackle him.

He'll never lead the league for rushing yards by a QB. but he's elusive, like Romo, Montana, Elway..... I think.

Nothing like Vince, who I think is more like McNabb(depending on his accuracy).
 
He has Ben Roethlisberger type movement and mobility in the pocket. He looks good in the pocket and seems to have a good feel for playing in the pocket and a big tough guy who isn't easy to bring down. He isn't as good a runner as Culpepper was in his prime, but he isn't a Leftwich concrete shoes type either. His coaches claim he is smart enough and understands the game well enough to be a future coach if he wanted to be...so that's a plus.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4760501804729330481&q=JaMarcus+Russell

Here he is avoiding a sack and chunking the ball downfield off his back foot, off balance halfway down the field (from his 7 to the opposing teams 37 yard line)....he is still a bit raw but he is a hell of a prospect.
 
The guy is the total opposite of David Carr......we'd go from dinking and dunking to a guy who can throw a 100 yards.
 
You're right Vinny, he's much closer to Big Ben than Dante...... much closer.

atxcoolguy said:
The guy is the total opposite of David Carr......we'd go from dinking and dunking to a guy who can throw a 100 yards.
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David Carr used to do that at one time as well.
 
Smokedawg said:
One thing Russel does that Carr doesnt. is Russel isnt scared to throw the ball down field.
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If you were around in 2002, & 2003, you'd know David wasn't always scared to throw the ball down field.... he throws a pretty deep ball. It's just been a while since we've seen it.
 
Smokedawg said:
One thing Russel does that Carr doesnt. is Russel isnt scared to throw the ball down field.
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One of the best things about Carr when he was coming out was that he had a HUGE arm and could make every throw. He played in a pass happpy offense and threw downfield A LOT. He wasn't scared to throw downfield until he realized that his WR's couldn't get there in the 2 seconds he had to stand, read, and make the throw.
 
Anyone remember that pass Carr threw to Jermaine Lewis in the first Dallas game and he dropped? Got to be one of the best deep balls Ive ever seen. I don't know what happened since that.
 
Smokedawg said:
THey play Notre Dame, so he should get good stats.lol he is actually very mobile and extremely hard to bring down. he is bigger than everyone on defense except the DT. so thats say alot. i remember in the Tennesee game the DE came and hit him as hard as he could and Russell didnt even bugde.
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that is what we will need with this o-line
 
Texas_Thrill said:
who will LSU be playing in their bowl game?

also given that kubes says he likes a more mobile qb does Russell fit in here?
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Mobile does not equal fast. You do not have to be a blazer to run bootlegs. The bootleg relies mostly on a successful running game than a fast QB. Russell isn't a blazer but he's got quick enough feet to run bootlegs. Cutler isn't all that fast but he hurled a beautiful TD pass on a bootleg against the Cards last week ... probably one of the best TD passes of the season for any QB if you ask me.
 
When Carr came out he wasnt afraid to throw the ball downfield either.. that bad habit was beat into him by poor protection.

What I really want to know is can Russell move around the pocket to avoid the sack, and then get the ball to the open guy.. that is what Carr cant do..and that is why he wont be playing here much longer.
 
I am getting so confused now. I was set on Branch with our pick if the big LT was gone. But now I am wondering, do you go Peterson, and hope Smith falls to the 2nd. Do you consider Russell at the 4th pick? He is big, mobile, strong. Does he have the touch to use the short game? Remember we have a West Coast offense here.

BTW he played in the SEC, with the big boys not like #8 at Fresno St.
 
Vinny said:
He has Ben Roethlisberger type movement and mobility in the pocket. He looks good in the pocket and seems to have a good feel for playing in the pocket and a big tough guy who isn't easy to bring down. He isn't as good a runner as Culpepper was in his prime, but he isn't a Leftwich concrete shoes type either. His coaches claim he is smart enough and understands the game well enough to be a future coach if he wanted to be...so that's a plus.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4760501804729330481&q=JaMarcus+Russell

Here he is avoiding a sack and chunking the ball downfield off his back foot, off balance halfway down the field (from his 7 to the opposing teams 37 yard line)....he is still a bit raw but he is a hell of a prospect.
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Vince, Jamarcus Russel is the best QB in this draft bar none. If I had to choose between Quinn and Russel then I will always choose Russel with the number one pick. This is what I think of him.

Quinn reminds me too much of Carr in every way. He also has the same problem that Carr had coming out of college.

If you look at all the GREAT ONE from years past you will find they always found a way to bring their team back from possible loses. Quinn never showed me that trait at Notre Dame. Joe Montanna used to do it regularly.

I still remember Notre Dame and University of Houston cotton ball game in late 70's. UH was ranged in top 10 and they were playing Notre Dame at the cotton bowl. ND was behind three touch down in second half but still Joe Montanna found a way to win that ball game. It has been more then 27 years and I still remember that game.
 
Grid said:
When Carr came out he wasnt afraid to throw the ball downfield either.. that bad habit was beat into him by poor protection.

What I really want to know is can Russell move around the pocket to avoid the sack, and then get the ball to the open guy.. that is what Carr cant do..and that is why he wont be playing here much longer.
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How often have we seen quaterbacks getting ruined by sack in the NFL. Any quarterback who gets sacked record number for 5 years straight will never be same. Carr was a franchise quarterback in truest sense when he was drafted but that is not the case any more. He has lost his confidence and it will take way more then coaching to revive him.

He had the same trait that Payton Manning, and Carson Palmer had coming out of college. Had he been in a better situtation then he would have been right up there with those two quarterbacks.

With Texans he never had an offensive line nor did he ever had elite running back even with Domic Davis. If Texans want to salvage Carr then they need to draft Adrian Peterson and improve the offensive line.

Till this date I can say Texans still don't have any offensive line, this doesn't reflect badly on Carr as it does on Texans management and the coaching staff.

If Texans wants to bring Carr back next year then they need to draft Adrian Peterson and fix the offensive line this off season. If the Texans decides to trade Carr this off season (which can be understandable) then they need to draft Jamarcus Russel as their quarterback of the future and groom him for few years before sending him back to the field making sure he has adequate protection and running game.

Either way they need to fix OL and get a elite level RB. DD career is over and we need to move forward.
 
That vid of Russell has me kind of excited about him. I'll definitely be watching the bowl game against Notre Dame more intently now.

I wonder how long we could be patient with him on the sidelines if DC begins to struggle in a game.
 
Hey guys, I'm an LSU fan and have followed Russell's development. To answer some questions, he's really improved in the last two years at spreading the ball around, varying his touch to meet the situation, taking what the defense is giving him, etc.

I think all three of LSU's top WR's each caught over 50 passes during the regular season. He moves well in the pocket and isn't rattled by the rush. He seems to have developed a better sense of where the pressure is coming from and moves accordingly, but all under control. He rolls out well and let's the receivers run their patterns. He's learned better how to get rid of the ball when the play isn't there. Plus, at his size, defensive ends just seem to bounce off him on the rush.

He is very impressive the way he can fling the ball downfield and hit long passes, but he's also just as comfortable throwing bubble screens, short slants and short to mid-range passes in the flats. He's by no means perfect, and still sometimes can revert back to old habits, but for the most part, he has improved significantly. I don't think he gets the credit he deserves.

Above all, he shows great poise and leadership when it's crunch time. He's led us on game winning drives against quality opponents probably five times since last year. He doesn't run much and he's not as fast as Vince Young or Troy Smith, but he became more comfortable running late this season and has done so pretty well. He's become more decisive when doing so and has found the open lane to make nice yardage with his long strides.
 
I just wish there was some way to get two 1st rounders this year to pick an LSU quarterback and then an LSU safety. If they can do well in the SEC, they can probably do well in the NFL.
 
Vinny said:
I've been saying for weeks that Russell will shoot up the boards when it is all said and done....he is a stud and a very impressive prospect. He can throw the ball the length of the field....has a huge arm
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In your opinion(Vinny, and anyone else who cares to answer), after the heavens aligned themselves last year, to drop Vince Young in our laps..... Could the Texans be forgiven for passing on Vince, if they Draft Jamarcus Russell with their 1st round pick??

Personally, I think Houston is in a lose lose situation.... Everything was perfect for them last year.... they could have dropped David.. not owing him a thing. Vince's stock was as high as ReggieBush's even though Reggie's campaign machine had a 3 month head start... you had a new coach, a new offensive system for the whole team... the majority of the fans would allow a losing season or two.

However, I believe Jamarcus is special... I haven't seen a lot of his games.... but what I've seen, I've been very impressed with his play. Brady Quinn may be a better player, more polished....... but I don't think he's special. He'll do well in the NFL..... IMHO, Brady would be like an Aaron Rogers, or an AlexSmith.. or a David Carr..... you take him with the #1 overall, because there isn't anyone else there, and you need a QB. Jamarcus is as good, even though he has a lot of learning to do.

I don't believe we are in a position now, where we can draft & start a rookie QB. 2007, we've got to win, and do what it takes to win. Even if it were Vince, after what we went through in '06, pressure is on to win. So while I'd like to see the Texans draft Russell...... I don't think it's the right thing to do.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't believe we are in a position now, where we can draft & start a rookie QB. 2007, we've got to win, and do what it takes to win. Even if it were Vince, after what we went through in '06, pressure is on to win. So while I'd like to see the Texans draft Russell...... I don't think it's the right thing to do.
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I'm starting to feel that Kubiak now realizes his mistake (not sure if he will ever admit to it) but felt the same pressure to win & stay with Carr this season, instead of breaking down & completely starting over with a new QB. He did go out & spend some cap space on Sage but only in the back-up role, not as a long term solution.

Regarding Russell, who by the way I agree with y'all has exceptional talent, the one question you have to ask yourself is does he fit Kubiaks system?
 
a couple questions about JaMarcus

how big are his hands?
we dont need another david carr or a daunte cullpepper

but with his size and talent i can see him bein a Steve McNair type of player, and so we can get a good big black QB back in houston

that would be great

but ill let kubiak and rick smith make the decisions, as long as we get some kind of QB in the offseason, but if we draft a guy:
4 of the guys i like
Troy Smith
Kevin Kolb
JaMarcus Russell
Colt Brennan (if he comes out)
and with Colt its a gamble cause he could be another Timmy Chang, but i would waste a 6th or 7th round on him just to see if kubiak can coach him up

oh by the way i can wait for Free Agency and the Draft, its gonna be crazy, i remember last year i was so happy when we got anthony weaver and jameel cook, cant wait for all of that though :redtowel:
 
dunta23 said:
a couple questions about JaMarcus

how big are his hands?
we dont need another david carr or a daunte cullpepper

but with his size and talent i can see him bein a Steve McNair type of player, and so we can get a good big black QB back in houston

that would be great

but ill let kubiak and rick smith make the decisions, as long as we get some kind of QB in the offseason, but if we draft a guy:
4 of the guys i like
Troy Smith
Kevin Kolb
JaMarcus Russell
Colt Brennan (if he comes out)
and with Colt its a gamble cause he could be another Timmy Chang, but i would waste a 6th or 7th round on him just to see if kubiak can coach him up

oh by the way i can wait for Free Agency and the Draft, its gonna be crazy, i remember last year i was so happy when we got anthony weaver and jameel cook, cant wait for all of that though :redtowel:
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Colt Brennan wont last anywhere near the sixth or seventh round.
 
What is everyone's opinion on Russell? Is he a 1st round selection? My LSU buddies are claiming he will be the first QB taken. I think they are looking through their purple and yellow glasses myself.
 
Hey G...I merged this so some won't have to repost....I think he very well could be the first QB taken myself. I've seen several LSU games and imo his game translates to the NFL as well as any QB in this draft. I think he will be very good at the next level. I'd take him over Quinn myself.
 
I have not watched LSU much the past couple of years but I did see Russell as a freshman. He seemed to panic too early while the pocket was developing, he rushed his throws or started to run too soon. I trust these problems have been addressed.
 
i think we need to pay more attention to the sugar bowl or whatever bowl the tigers are playing in.
 
I think the outcome of the Sugar Bowl could have a tremendous impact on where Quinn and Russell get drafted.
 
gwallaia said:
I have not watched LSU much the past couple of years but I did see Russell as a freshman. He seemed to panic too early while the pocket was developing, he rushed his throws or started to run too soon. I trust these problems have been addressed.
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Yeah, I'm not comparing him to vince Young but he did too when he was young. He has high accuracy numbers (without throwing nothing but hitch passes) and has a massive arm. Statistically he was the # 3 passer in the nation this year. I sent a link to Infantrycak about how his coaches were stating he had such a grasp of the game that he could go into coaching if he wanted also...but I can't seem to find the link right now.

Weis compared LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell to a young Daunte Culpepper when he was winning with the Minnesota Vikings.

"That's a very, very high accolade," Weis said. "His completion percentage is ridiculous (68.5 percent). That is not done by fluke. That means that guys (receivers and quarterback) are on the same page."

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061220/SPORTS0202/612200305/1001/SPORTS
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I wonder if Russell would be a serious consideration for the Texans if he's available with their first pick?

If Oakland follows history and does not take a QB with their first pick, what teams ahead of us need a QB? Cleveland perhaps?
 
i'd be pretty hard pressed to believe that the Texans will take a QB especially in the first round. I'm still not a believer. If the Texans win the game against the browns you can pretty much forget about it.

Especially if carr "manages" the game like he did the colts. That would be all mcnair needs to keep his boy.
 
If Russell declares, hopefully Smith will fall to the 2nd round and we have a chance to take him (Smith). That would be nice.
 
Russell should be the first QB taken in the draft when april rolls around. He is not the best QB prospect on his team and does not fit into our system particuarlly well. However, I do love his game and potential. The guy is a freak. He would be smart to enter this weak class and go straight to the top and not have to worry about Perilloux next year, but he would be smart to stay and develop more for next year.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
i'd be pretty hard pressed to believe that the Texans will take a QB especially in the first round. I'm still not a believer. If the Texans win the game against the browns you can pretty much forget about it.

Especially if carr "manages" the game like he did the colts. That would be all mcnair needs to keep his boy.
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We just beat the best team in the AFC South.... a team we've never been able to beat, regardless of their Defensive ranking.

Kubiak just proved that we can win tough games against tough opponents with David..

I don't think beating.... or losing to the Browns mean anything at all.
 
Last years LSU bowl game and this year against Tennessee was all I need to remember about Russell. I wouldn't be mad with that pick.
 
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