Great quote by Keith Bullock, TENN LB.

[lod01]

The Houston Chronicle reports the Titans were expecting exactly what they saw from QB David Carr. He completed 17-of-23 passes for 140 yards but rarely looked downfield. "Carr has a high completion rate," LB Keith Bulluck said. "He throws 6- or 7-yard passes and completes a lot of them, but nothing to really stretch the defense. Nothing that will really hurt you." Carr entered the game leading the NFL with a 69.1 percent completion rate.

LMAO.

Go CARR!!!!!!!

 

[Double Barrel]

Not crying over spilt milk, but Reggie Bush would have been the perfect target for Carr's special dink and dunks.

Carr should have hit AJ in the endzone, but DC rarely (if ever) leads his receivers. It's frustrating to see almost every other QB in the league do these things, because we never see them in Houston.

 

[Keyser Soze]

The Houston Chronicle reports the Titans were expecting exactly what they saw from QB David Carr. He completed 17-of-23 passes for 140 yards but rarely looked downfield.

When he does look downfield he stares a hole in his receiver.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Not crying over spilt milk, but Reggie Bush would have been the perfect target for Carr's special dink and dunks.

Carr should have hit AJ in the endzone, but DC rarely (if ever) leads his receivers. It's frustrating to see almost every other QB in the league do these things, because we never see them in Houston.

I agree! I understand trying to lay it up for the receiver to go get, but dang, he throws it to the top of Reliant and comes down at least 5 yards short. AJ had to basically stop his route in order to have a chance at the ball. Aggrivating to say the least!

 

[touttail]

Carr threw a long pass downfield right in AJ's hands and he dropped it.

seems like that was it no more downfield passes.

bobby 119C

 

[JDizzle]

Carr threw a long pass downfield right in AJ's hands and he dropped it.

seems like that was it no more downfield passes.

bobby 119C

AJ had a couple steps on his man on that play with plenty of real estate to spare. You do not underthrow your man in that situation, you hit him in stride. Underthrowing would have made sense if AJ were covered and / or his man had help over the top. I would not be surprised if that was the throw Carr was trying to make.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Carr threw a long pass downfield right in AJ's hands and he dropped it.

seems like that was it no more downfield passes.

It's been like that since Palmer was here. One shot downfield per game. That's the way we play. The rest of the game we throw a yard behind the down marker.

 

[The Dream]

this is a joke, it's like other teams are laughing in our face.

 

[Sportsfan]

This is nothing new to me. His QB rating is COMPLETELY misleading b/c most of his passes are high-percentage throws.
The dude has an arm and accuracy, freaking use it!

 

[thunderkyss]

Carr threw a long pass downfield right in AJ's hands and he dropped it.

seems like that was it no more downfield passes.

bobby 119C

See..... it's like you read what the previous posters posted.... but didn't.

They are saying(& they are right) AJ shouldn't have to be leaping over defenders and doing all those acrobatic things just to get his hands on a ball.... especially when he has the coverage beat.

Granted.... AJ should have caught it.. the ball was on his hands..... more because AJ is a badass... but he's dropped too many balls this season to excuse even that one.

True.... AJ drops balls.... that is unacceptable....

But the Ball should have been placed better. you can say that for every ball AJ caught(or anybody who caught a ball) yesterday.

 

[ThaShark316]

The Houston Chronicle reports the Titans were expecting exactly what they saw from QB David Carr. He completed 17-of-23 passes for 140 yards but rarely looked downfield. "Carr has a high completion rate," LB Keith Bulluck said. "He throws 6- or 7-yard passes and completes a lot of them, but nothing to really stretch the defense. Nothing that will really hurt you." Carr entered the game leading the NFL with a 69.1 percent completion rate.

LMAO.

Go CARR!!!!!!!

Like everyone doesn't know that the offense is what it is...dink and dunk...that's not a great quote, that's stating the obvious.

 

[TPIMP]

That's what you do if you can't protect. Coach can only work with what he has.

 

[dalemurphy]

That's what you do if you can't protect. Coach can only work with what he has.

If Carr takes a 7-step drop on a passing down, something bad is going to happen. That's reality. It'a ashame that we got hit with these OLine injuries because Spencer, Flanagan, and Weigert would make a huge difference right now and things would be looking much brighter. At least the organization won't head into the off-season thinking we don't need more depth and talent on the O-line!- If we add a good FA lineman, draft a first-day guy and get Spencer and Flanagan back, this Oline could be very good and deep next year... Wouldn't that be refreshing?

 

[hot pickle]

OMG finally, now the coachin staff is goin, ohhhh thats the problem, thank you mr. Bullock

 

[Runner]

If we add a good FA lineman, draft a first-day guy and get Spencer and Flanagan back, this Oline could be very good and deep next year... Wouldn't that be refreshing?

This is very painful to read. I made almost the exact same post during training camp:

We've added a good free agent in Flanagan. Winston and Spencer could grow into starters. Wiegert and Wand play now. In 2-3 years Wand, Winston, and Spencer are our tackles + quality depth. Hodgdon or another center is groomed; Pitts and Weary start at guard. We add a qulaity back-up guard and we are set.

We had a great chance to develop the line and accumulate depth. However, we only carreid nine lineman and then overvalued swing players like Bedell (is he in any three year plan?). So now we start thin at tackle, we may not have quality starters much less depth: maybe Spencer comes back good as new, Wiegert may be done, Winston better improve fast.

Weary, Pitts, and Hodgdon are still here; I don't know what Flanagan may bring next year. We probably need a starting center and a back-up guard in addition to the tackle issues.

What a mess.

 

[jdog]

This makes no sense. Six and seven yard passes do hurt. Two of these equals a fresh set of downs. Anyone heard of the west coast offense? You folks will find any reason to complain about Carr.

 

[Runner]

This makes no sense. Six and seven yard passes do hurt. Two of these equals a fresh set of downs. Anyone heard of the west coast offense? You folks will find any reason to complain about Carr.

You're right. I don't know why we aren't satisfied with all those touchdowns we've been generating.

 

[jdog]

As I understand it, all teams gameplan us to take away the big play and keep the safeties back because we have a weak running game.

If we had a strong running game, we'd be better in the red zone.

It's still the line people. It doesn't help that our previously not great line has been injured and depleted.

 

[thunderkyss]

As I understand it, all teams gameplan us to take away the big play and keep the safeties back because we have a weak running game.

If we had a strong running game, we'd be better in the red zone.

It's still the line people. It doesn't help that our previously not great line has been injured and depleted.

pssst.... that's they way you gameplan against every team....

Some teams say screw it, and throw deep anyway.

Not all these teams have good running games..... the jets & the bills kicked our buts(well, they won) despite not having a running game to speak of.

 

[NederlandTexan]

Other teams have injuries to offensive lineman and they don't stop throwing the ball downfield. For all you stat freaks, here's one, the Texans have the best completion percentage in the NFL. We also have the fewest yard per completion. Carr ain't gettin' it done.

 

[Titan "Tack" Fan]

He's exactly right. Both times I've watched Carr play this year he throws like 1 yard dump offs to the RB or WR and lets them run with it.

That's about all he can do

 

[AndreRulz]

This is nothing new to me. His QB rating is COMPLETELY misleading b/c most of his passes are high-percentage throws.
The dude has an arm and accuracy, freaking use it!

the throws he is throwing i could do that.

 

[Wolf]

http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21750

hope y'all are happy. we deserve the ridicule

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next move.....TOXiCans move to LA !

LOL !

GO TITANS !!!

 

[Double Barrel]

http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21750

hope y'all are happy. we deserve the ridicule

They're still a bunch of hillbillies and we're not.

 

[doughboy]

They're still a bunch of hillbillies and we're not.

Watcha Talk'in Bout? We Aint no Hillybillies, we just gots souther axe scents...

 

[TexansTailg8r]

If Carr takes a 7-step drop on a passing down, something bad is going to happen. That's reality. It'a ashame that we got hit with these OLine injuries because Spencer, Flanagan, and Weigert would make a huge difference right now and things would be looking much brighter. At least the organization won't head into the off-season thinking we don't need more depth and talent on the O-line!- If we add a good FA lineman, draft a first-day guy and get Spencer and Flanagan back, this Oline could be very good and deep next year... Wouldn't that be refreshing?

Here's to that

 

[BornOrange]

This makes no sense. Six and seven yard passes do hurt. Two of these equals a fresh set of downs. Anyone heard of the west coast offense? You folks will find any reason to complain about Carr.

Yeah, but in a west coast offense you actually lead the receiver so he can catch it in stride and pick up yards after the catch.

 

[Scottyboy]

Ha Ha! David Carr- what a horses ass!

 

[jdog]

Yeah, but in a west coast offense you actually lead the receiver so he can catch it in stride and pick up yards after the catch.

Yeah, honestly, I've seen some bad dump off passes from Carr to someone in absolutely no position to do anything with the ball. Carr is just avoiding the sack I guess.

 

[TNTitan]

They're still a bunch of hillbillies and we're not.

We're not hillbillies! Call us Tennessee Americans....Now, if you excuse me, I have to get a possum out of the deep fryer.

 

[Texan_Bill]

I think what Bullock means is that no one respects the deep ball with David at QB. This results in CB's playing bump and run or man tight, and FS, SS, blitzing. It makes our OL look like poop because they have to pick up a 7 man blitz every down. Yea, Carr might get his 6 and 7 yard dinks but all it takes is that one play where the DB blocks that one pass and the drive is done. Pass +7, run +2, blocked pass, Punt. Then you have the play where they get a sack when blitzing 7 men. Sack -5, run +4, dink pass +7, punt. This is what happend every game.

The problem with your scenario isn't necessarily the 7 yard pass, or even the one that got knocked down at the line of scrimmage...

See, if you could have picked up 3 yards instead of 2 on the running play, it would be a 1st down... Negating the 3rd play needed (and as you summized would be a ball batted down)......

 

[hollywood_texan]

The problem with your scenario isn't necessarily the 7 yard pass, or even the one that got knocked down at the line of scrimmage...

See, if you could have picked up 3 yards instead of 2 on the running play, it would be a 1st down... Negating the 3rd play needed (and as you summized would be a ball batted down)......

Generally speaking, it is the QB's job to step up and pick up the slack on offense.

You seem to imply that every other player and the defense is supposed to bail out Carr. What about Carr bailing out his teammates for once? That is more or less what makes or breaks a QB in the NFL.

In the NFL, you are going to have a lot of critical 3rd down plays. It is hard to win a game, have an effective offense, and never have a 3rd down. That is where is playmaker QB comes in handy, picking up those tough 3rd downs.

 

[ib4texans]

Other teams have injuries to offensive lineman and they don't stop throwing the ball downfield. For all you stat freaks, here's one, the Texans have the best completion percentage in the NFL. We also have the fewest yard per completion. Carr ain't gettin' it done.

Don't forget the 250+ sacks in a five year period, hey that's another record I bet.

 

[thunderkyss]

The problem with your scenario isn't necessarily the 7 yard pass, or even the one that got knocked down at the line of scrimmage...

See, if you could have picked up 3 yards instead of 2 on the running play, it would be a 1st down... Negating the 3rd play needed (and as you summized would be a ball batted down)......

the problem in this scenario, is that PocketAces said "this is what happens every game" and he's correct.

 

[Mr teX]

That's what you do if you can't protect. Coach can only work with what he has.

Thank you; someone with at least a shred of evidence that they even watch our games.

 

[GP]

See..... it's like you read what the previous posters posted.... but didn't.

They are saying(& they are right) AJ shouldn't have to be leaping over defenders and doing all those acrobatic things just to get his hands on a ball.... especially when he has the coverage beat.

Granted.... AJ should have caught it.. the ball was on his hands..... more because AJ is a badass... but he's dropped too many balls this season to excuse even that one.

True.... AJ drops balls.... that is unacceptable....

But the Ball should have been placed better. you can say that for every ball AJ caught(or anybody who caught a ball) yesterday.

LOL!

As soon as he dropped it, I KNEW you'd be on here saying "the ball should have been placed better..."

Once again: Does David have to run down the field and PLACE the ball into his hands like someone serving a customer his plate of food?

Your statement is perhaps THE most ignorant of all statements I have EVER read on any thread over the past few years, TK.

You say earlier in your post that he's dropped too many balls, but at the end of yor post you exonerate him by saying it should have been placed better.

Which is it, TK?

He dropped a TD pass. Period.

Why is it soooooooo hard for you guys to admit that AJ has dropped critical passes over the past two seasons?

Just like David, Aj has made some plays...and he's also NOT made some plays.

AJ is at the top of the AFC (and the league) and somebody must be throwing him the ball to have gotten up there at the top of the charts. Who has it been?

I have been critical of Carr, and I can even be OK with him not being the team's QB. But I cannot be OK with you guys pilig onto him and then blindingly exonerating AJ for HIS lack of big plays and big catches.

A little balance is needed.

 

[DeclanJr]

Should AJ have to make a play everytime he gets thrown the ball? He either gets the slant and has to make something happen, or it's the jump ball that is invariably underthrown. Anyone would have drops if they were put into this situation. AJ is the best player on the team, period. When we get a quarterback and an offensive line, then we can start talking about his drops.

 

[Mr teX]

Yeah, honestly, I've seen some bad dump off passes from Carr to someone in absolutely no position to do anything with the ball. Carr is just avoiding the sack I guess.

That's exactly what he's doing. Ever heard of taking what the defense gives you? Some QB's have made nice careers off of that principle; not trying to force the ball down field. The problem he has is that he won't cut it loose even when we're on our last leg offensively in games. That is the biggest problem i see with him. At some point when you're down in a game you have to try to force it. If it gets int'd then so be it, but you have to try it.

If the guy just held on to the ball and got sacked instead of his customary dump-offs you guys DEFINITELY would be complaining about that. Instead he tries to put the ball in the hands of others & let them try to make plays & they can't do it. You want to know why? b/c we don't have enough talented players on this team. Ask yourselves:

* how players that were starters for the texans at some point are starting for someone else? - not by default, (b/c of injury)

* how many of these players or even our current players are now on the downside of their careers?

WE NEED AN INFUSION OF TALENT.........period.

I see people talking like if we had VY or RB we'd be going to the playoffs. Newsflash folks, we were the worst team in the league last year & the titans were better than us then. Reflect on the positives of this year; It looks like we have better drafting & we are better W/L wise than we were a year ago.

 

[Hulk75]

AJ had a couple steps on his man on that play with plenty of real estate to spare. You do not underthrow your man in that situation, you hit him in stride. Underthrowing would have made sense if AJ were covered and / or his man had help over the top. I would not be surprised if that was the throw Carr was trying to make.

Yea your right like the one he laid right in Dres hands in Jax and he ran our at the one............No excusses when the ball leaves the QBs hands its the WRs job (especially when your a "Pro Bowl WR") to catch the football.

 

[Hulk75]

The Houston Chronicle reports the Titans were expecting exactly what they saw from QB David Carr. He completed 17-of-23 passes for 140 yards but rarely looked downfield. "Carr has a high completion rate," LB Keith Bulluck said. "He throws 6- or 7-yard passes and completes a lot of them, but nothing to really stretch the defense. Nothing that will really hurt you." Carr entered the game leading the NFL with a 69.1 percent completion rate.

LMAO.

Go CARR!!!!!!!

Again like you found gold or something............Did they ask him why they did that? (throwing short).

Link please?

 

[jdog]

I think what Bullock means is that no one respects the deep ball with David at QB. This results in CB's playing bump and run or man tight, and FS, SS, blitzing. It makes our OL look like poop because they have to pick up a 7 man blitz every down. Yea, Carr might get his 6 and 7 yard dinks but all it takes is that one play where the DB blocks that one pass and the drive is done. Pass +7, run +2, blocked pass, Punt. Then you have the play where they get a sack when blitzing 7 men. Sack -5, run +4, dink pass +7, punt. This is what happend every game.

I am not disagreeing with you, but why doesn't anyone respect the deep ball? I've seen Carr make some beautiful deep passes. What is the problem there? Maybe he is afraid to let the deep play develop, or he is unable to buy time to allow the deep play to develop. What do you think is the problem with the deep ball?

 

[dantem]

You do not underthrow your man in that situation, you hit him in stride. Underthrowing would have made sense if AJ were covered and / or his man had help over the top.

You do not drop the pass that hits you in the hands under any circumstances. NOT CARRS FAULT... you guys try to blame Carr for everything. Johnson has played like a "has been" this year.

 

[dantem]

I am not disagreeing with you, but why doesn't anyone respect the deep ball? I've seen Carr make some beautiful deep passes. What is the problem there? Maybe he is afraid to let the deep play develop, or he is unable to buy time to allow the deep play to develop. What do you think is the problem with the deep ball?

It takes the fastest reciever in the league aprox, 4.2 seconds to get 40 yards if no one bumps him at the line.. Carr has an average of 3 seconds to release the ball before he is swarmed by defenders. I would rather he take the sack then throw an Int.

Also, because most teams can beat our O-Line with 4 defenders, there are 7 defenders covering 3-4 recievers... do the math.

2 defenders on each receiver = Interception.

Carr would be a fool to throw down field.

Fix the O-Line = Win Games

 

[jdog]

It takes the fastest reciever in the league aprox, 4.2 seconds to get 40 yards if no one bumps him at the line.. Carr has an average of 3 seconds to release the ball before he is swarmed by defenders. I would rather he take the sack then throw an Int.

Also, because most teams can beat our O-Line with 4 defenders, there are 7 defenders covering 3-4 recievers... do the math.

2 defenders on each receiver = Interception.

Carr would be a fool to throw down field.

Fix the O-Line = Win Games

This makes a lot of sense to me. Doesn't it make sense to everybody?

 

[jdog]

It takes the fastest reciever in the league aprox, 4.2 seconds to get 40 yards if no one bumps him at the line.. Carr has an average of 3 seconds to release the ball before he is swarmed by defenders. I would rather he take the sack then throw an Int.

Also, because most teams can beat our O-Line with 4 defenders, there are 7 defenders covering 3-4 recievers... do the math.

2 defenders on each receiver = Interception.

Carr would be a fool to throw down field.

Fix the O-Line = Win Games

The only thing I can think of in response (as a devil's advocate) is that Carr does not work the pocket well to buy extra time. He seems very Drew Bledsoe, Jr. When Carr decides to run, he runs well, but he does not move fluidly in the pocket or apparently feel pressure.

 

[Texan_Bill]

These threads are like watching a dog chasing his tail....

(Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"



Did I miss anything? Does someone have something truly refreshing and / or enlightening on the subject?

My idea, pick one area, work on that in the offseason and go from there.

 

[ib4texans]

Should AJ have to make a play everytime he gets thrown the ball? He either gets the slant and has to make something happen, or it's the jump ball that is invariably underthrown. Anyone would have drops if they were put into this situation. AJ is the best player on the team, period. When we get a quarterback and an offensive line, then we can start talking about his drops.

Oh, I see. It's the O-lines fault Dre can't catch the ball, yet the O-line can't be scrutinized when criticizing the QB.

 

[jdog]

These threads are like watching a dog chasing his tail....

(Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"



Did I miss anything? Does someone have something truly refreshing and / or enlightening on the subject?

My idea, pick one area, work on that in the offseason and go from there.

I think the offensive line is the obvious problem in all of those examples. Let's focus on improving the damn offensive line! Haven't we been saying that since the beginning?

 

[ib4texans]

These threads are like watching a dog chasing his tail....

(Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"



Did I miss anything? Does someone have something truly refreshing and / or enlightening on the subject?

My idea, pick one area, work on that in the offseason and go from there.

It's agreed, I say we need a defense that doesn't melt like butter after 3/4 of good sound defense. We've already started in this area,so I say continue until it's solid.

 

[jdog]

Obviously, we have a lot of injuries. Let's work on having depth at the line too. Why not? It is kind of important. Any successful team has good lines, right.