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You make an excellent points, but the Texans are not even close to fielding a .500 team. Which is really my issue.
I can handle the rough bumps in the road and the down years, but the way things are going, this team may not hit .500 for a couple of years, if we are lucky.
Which is really my gripe.
As for the loyalty by Raiders fans, they have history to fall back on, the Texans don't. Considering the track record of McNair's decisions, I am beginning to wonder what history there will be except for the Texans have a fan base that is loyal but accepts losing as a tradition.
I know I am being harsh, but some people need to have their feet put to the fire. This has gone on long enough, and even though this team is strapped for talent, there are other teams in similar situations that show more heart and drive, and win enough to at least sniff around .500 from time to time.
Dear geniuses on this board:
- Rooting for Vince is not rooting for the Titans.it is due to the fact that VY's performance will have a strong impact on who wins or loses
- Wearing a UT Vince jersey is not the same as wearing a Titans jersey.but it shows you're not a texans fan first and foremost
- Thinking you can't root for a player on the opposite team, while still supporting your own is lol-erific.id agree with you in most cases but a QB is different due to the fact that they impact the game the most
No you don't. You 'got' fair weather fans, frontrunners and bandwagoners doing what they do.
And before you lay the natural reaction blind homer tag on me, I'm not happy with the current state of the Texans either, and I'm acutely aware of what's going on. I'm just not predisposed to show everyone in the country what a collective set of dumb asses Houston fans are by donning a division rivals jersey in our own stadium and cheering for them to beat our own team. Especially when it's the team owned by the guy who told us to stick it up our ass 10 years ago.
I want everyone to be on their feet, cheering extremely loud when Vince is on the field.... "GET LOUD"!! Scream, stomp your feet, slap the back of the seat in front of you (preferably if that person is also standing). Let Vince know he's in Houston...
I have seen a lot of discussion about the state of mind of Houston fans. I open up the Chron's site and the first thing that comes up is:
Man gets 27 years for machete attack Harris County Prosecutor Anna Emmons holds the machete used by Hector Moquete to hack his ex-wife, Lillian Burgos. She says she forgives him.
Crazy is as crazy does.
whiskeyrbl said:Stay on which ever side of the fence you choose.
No you don't. You 'got' fair weather fans, frontrunners and bandwagoners doing what they do.
And before you lay the natural reaction blind homer tag on me, I'm not happy with the current state of the Texans either, and I'm acutely aware of what's going on. I'm just not predisposed to show everyone in the country what a collective set of dumb asses Houston fans are by donning a division rivals jersey in our own stadium and cheering for them to beat our own team. Especially when it's the team owned by the guy who told us to stick it up our ass 10 years ago.
I think it's like when parents have sons who play on opposite teams....
There is no clear cut answer or definition of what a "true fan" is....
I don't define the term "football fan". Years of precedent does, and if you have any respect for NFL tradition, you will clearly see it is a black and white definition by NFL standards. It's all about true allegiance.
But there were occasions and they did try to knock the snot out of each other.
Truroyalty, I see where you are going with that analogy, but someone's own flesh and blood is not the same as a man-crush...
So if your son ends up in the NFL playing for the Jags, you're going to hope a Texan player breaks him in half ?
DB....I don't know Vince on a personal level, but I have played against him and hung out with him a couple times before he was VINCE....Teams come and go(The Oilers)...even players on your team come and go...by your standard, you should still be a fan of the Oilers....I happen to have a lot of respect for VY as a person, and IMO that supercedes anything football related...
I don't know if I was clear before....but
I would never wear a VY jersey to the game....
I would never cheer at the game if VY did something good....
i know its kind of coulda, woulda, shoulda but had we won the bills and titans games like we should only for mistakes- we'd be 6-6 right now... not saying we're a great team or anythinhg but we're not as far away as you make out imo
But the overwhelming majority of former Texans fans are either trying to 'prove a point' to the Texans FO, or are have more allegiance to an individual player over their team. Most of these fans will never meet Vince, so they do not have your exceptional personal experiences (which are really cool, btw).
It depends....are the Texans a playoff team by then?
Hopefully you guys see my point here.
But on the whole, wanting VY do blast the Texans because you want the front office to realize they made a mistake kinda makes me sick......I don't understand that POV, because that's almost like cheering against Mario, ....
And they sure as hell don't cheer for a division rival (who we can tie in the standings with a win) or wear the jersey of that opponent to our own home games. All that does is make a bad situation worse - and reflect poorly on the fan base as a whole.
We see your point. You made it at least 5 or 6 times in this thread alone.
Now allow me to make a point that seems to be lost on many: Most if not all of the 'die hards' are just as pissed off as the fairweathers/bandwagoners. Having to deal with the fairweathers/bandwagoners only adds another element of frustration to their fan existence.
The 'die hards' voice their frustration at games, on sports talk radio, in newspapers, on message boards, in letters to the Texans, etc. As a collective group, they are not blindly accepting what's happening. Far from it. And they sure as hell don't cheer for a division rival (who the Texans can tie in the standings with a win) or wear the jersey of that opponent to our own home games. All that does is make a bad situation worse - and reflect poorly on the fan base as a whole.
We see your point. You made it at least 5 or 6 times in this thread alone.
I don't know what a man-crush is.....
I think it falls into the same category as "carr-hater", "carr-lover" and all those other wacky terms....
I just used family as an example.....I'm just talking about having respect or admiration for a person....
My point wasn't to make anyone upset, but to see it from a different perspective on this whole thing than just from a die-hard fan. Which I thought was severly lacking.
You guys can talk about this among yourselves and do the hand ringing all you want, but unless the Texans win, this is going to be an issue and Vince will be the lightning rod if he keeps up with his peformances. You guys don't seem to recognize that and that is why I keep saying the same thing. Texans win, it is so simple!!!
It's not only hard to cheer for Texans for me because they are absolutely pathetic, it is now becoming tough to hang out on this board. But, I am repeating myself, which isn't okay, unless I am a die-hard complaining about turncoats.
I will leave you guys to it and the last word.
Adios!
...David Carr had some fans cheering him there, it must have been a welcome change.
Man-crush: homosexual desire for a man (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Texans win, it is so simple!!!
Raiders fan's seem to be able to cheer for there team, IMO they are having a harder year than us last year. Nobody on that team is even trying to compete except their D. Bye the way David Carr had some fans cheering him there, it must have been a welcome change.
I will leave you guys to it and the last word.
Adios!
If it weren't for that Moulds thread, we could make the "Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince" thread our longest ever. What a joy.
The entire Texans history is coulda, woulda, shoulda... Which is absolutely disgusting! You either win or you don't! And quality wins or statement wins would be nice from time to time, which the Texans have never done.
Which is exactly my point!
The Texans are in control of this situation, beat the Titans, Browns, and split between the Colts and Pats, and they will solve most of the fan base problems and cut-off the legs (I think you guys might like the analogy due to Vince situation) to any valid Vince discussion. But, if they drop the next 4, which is very likely considering their track record, particularly at the end of a season, the Vince situation brings insult to injury.
Well, that'll be the last we hear from him.
...oh wait,....nevermind.
geebus this thread is long
Well, that'll be the last we hear from him.
...oh wait,....nevermind.
Well heck why not cheer for him while the goodness is still inside. VY is still Anakin. Enjoy it while it lasts. Next year he gets fitted with a special helmet. Sssssss.
The only thing that would draw more Titan fans to Reliant is the concessions offering Mad Dog 20/20 and Mayonnaise sandwiches. Quite an accomplishment if you ask me.
I was at the Raiders game last weekend, and I didn't hear any cheering for Carr. I walked all over the stadium before, during, and after the game, and from what I saw, they could really care less. I talked to a lot of Raider fans about Carr, and they really didn't even know who was. Just my perspective though, maybe I missed something.
As for Raiders fans, they have history, the Texans don't. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans don't have a winning season in the first 10 years. They still haven't won more than 2 in a row in almost 5 years. That is the problem as I see it.
The Texans need to give the fans something to feel excited about except for Ryans in the hunt for ROY and can't wait for the draft next year.
It is just getting old, and I am repeating myself...
"Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince"
But dont forget that if this is true then,
"Half the stadium or more cheering for Texans"
Taken from another site.......................and the essence of what will make this rivalry a great one
"There are four official heroes of the State of Texas and two are Tennesseans. Sam Houston. Davy Crockett. Stephen F. Austin. And Earl Campbell. I think Vince should be the fifth. The only thing he didn't win was the Heisman, and if the vote had been taken after the Rose Bowl, he probably would have won that. When Vince steps on the field at Reliant Stadium, he will do so as a Texan and a Houstonian. He begged Bob Mcnair to select him, and when he got jilted he said he make them pay. It is now payback time. If there was ever a true Houston, Texan, it's Vince, and as far as I'm concerned, the imposters now masquerading under the logo of "Houston Texans" better LOOK OUT."
Taken from another site.......................and the essence of what will make this rivalry a great one
"There are four official heroes of the State of Texas and two are Tennesseans. Sam Houston. Davy Crockett. Stephen F. Austin. And Earl Campbell. I think Vince should be the fifth. The only thing he didn't win was the Heisman, and if the vote had been taken after the Rose Bowl, he probably would have won that. When Vince steps on the field at Reliant Stadium, he will do so as a Texan and a Houstonian. He begged Bob Mcnair to select him, and when he got jilted he said he make them pay. It is now payback time. If there was ever a true Houston, Texan, it's Vince, and as far as I'm concerned, the imposters now masquerading under the logo of "Houston Texans" better LOOK OUT."
"Like Earl, Vince is Texas-born and Texas-bred," Adams said Saturday night. "I think Vince can have an even bigger impact on the Titans than Earl had on the Oilers because he can throw and run."
Barf.
This is the quote that Bud had after he drafted VY. Link.
They kept Bud's Texas-born and Texas-bred comment out of the Tennessean article that contained the rest of the quote.
Bud just sees Tennessee as his Texas annex to give the finger to his River Oaks buddies. That's why he overruled his coaches as to what the pick was.
And VY will stay until Bud decides to kick him to the curb in an ungracious manner.
Taken from another site.......................and the essence of what will make this rivalry a great one
"There are four official heroes of the State of Texas and two are Tennesseans. Sam Houston. Davy Crockett. Stephen F. Austin. And Earl Campbell. I think Vince should be the fifth. The only thing he didn't win was the Heisman, and if the vote had been taken after the Rose Bowl, he probably would have won that. When Vince steps on the field at Reliant Stadium, he will do so as a Texan and a Houstonian. He begged Bob Mcnair to select him, and when he got jilted he said he'd make them pay. It is now payback time. If there was ever a true Houston, Texan, it's Vince, and as far as I'm concerned, the imposters now masquerading under the logo of "Houston Texans" better LOOK OUT."
It was from the TOMB, but I guess Jack just couldn't bring himself to admit he reads thereSounds like something off of Hornfans.com