What really ticks me off....

[Yankee_In_TX]

The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)

 

[Marcus]

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

Oh, believe me, most of the ones who are still crying about the draft, have still not gotten over getting dumped in high school.

 

[Texan_Bill]

LOL! Someone woke up on the wrong side of his law books!

Yankee, you know that I have said similar things over on the other boards, but it falls on deaf ears.

I appciate your effort though.

 

[vinceyoungfan]

The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)

wow what he said

 

[Paragon Blue]

The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)

Well said my friend!!!!

 

[bah007]

Oh, believe me, most of the ones who are still crying about the draft, have still not gotten over getting dumped in high school.

You have to get a girlfriend first before they can dump you.

 

[Yankee_In_TX]

You have to get a girlfriend first before they can dump you.

I'm including internet girlfriends that are modeling abroad.

 

[HomeBred_Texan]

You are not the only one it ticks off...

Put me in that basket. I wanted Reggie at the draft, but glad we didn't get him now. Haven't seen anything out of him that makes me think he is better than Mario. I got over it the minute the announced Mario as the 1st pick...

Some others should follow...

Now I am in the draft Adrian Peterson wagon and if we don't get him, then oh well. Still will be in my seat every game next year no matter what...

 

[Yankee_In_TX]

well. Still will be in my seat every game next year no matter what...

(hey, where'd the 3 Texan Guys emoticon go?!?!?)

 

[Porky]

Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football. You people are like the abused girlfriend that's afraid to leave her loser boyfriend. Why don't all you homers buy a clue. You berate everyone with a non-homer opinion, and then follow that by saying we are allowed an opinion. Which is it? Or do we all have to march in lockstep off the edge of the cliff like a bunch of little rats to the Texans pied piper? Go ahead, and put your little steel blue blinders on. As for me, I have an opinion, and I will state mine whether you homers like it or not.

 

[edo783]

Put me in that basket also. I wanted to trade down and get DA Brick, but that didn't happen and we might be paying for it, but that is how it goes sometimes. Mario is a fine pick and a force on the defense. This is the team I support, not the player.

 

[Texanfan4ever]

And do you think Kubiak and McNair are going to change their opinions and what they do, just because of what fans say? If passing on VY and RB wasn't enough for you to know that, then I can't help you.

Are you in the group that is going to the game to cheer for VY? That type of voicing an opinion only makes Houston fans look classless, and will get you nowhere.

But sure, you can have your opinion.

 

[TexasJedi]

That whole Chronicle QB comparison thing kind of ticked me off too. It's not that the numbers they posted were inaccurate or anything, it's the not so subtle Carr stinks/VY is king under tone. Carr's days here may be numbered, but VY won't be replacing him anytime soon, so yes folks need to at the very least accept that VY is and will be a Titan and whining about it will not change it. I don't have a problem with someone saying they wanted Young, but it's the constant regurgitation of the debate that's gets old.

 

[Yankee_In_TX]

Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football. You people are like the abused girlfriend that's afraid to leave her loser boyfriend. Why don't all you homers buy a clue. You berate everyone with a non-homer opinion, and then follow that by saying we are allowed an opinion. Which is it? Or do we all have to march in lockstep off the edge of the cliff like a bunch of little rats to the Texans pied piper? Go ahead, and put your little steel blue blinders on. As for me, I have an opinion, and I will state mine whether you homers like it or not.

I'm not saying blindly follow the team. I said don't be afraid to voice your opinion. I'm saying people need to quit whining and get on with life. I'm tired of people crying over spilled milk.

And if the spilled milk is THAT big of a deal to the person that their life has come crashing down around them, maybe they should move to TN.

If your boss makes a bad business move, are you still complaining about it like it was yesterday nine months later? No, people move on.

 

[Porky]

I'm not saying blindly follow the team. I said don't be afraid to voice your opinion. I'm saying people need to quit whining and get on with life. I'm tired of people crying over spilled milk.

And if the spilled milk is THAT big of a deal to the person that their life has come crashing down around them, maybe they should move to TN.

If your boss makes a bad business move, are you still complaining about it like it was yesterday nine months later? No, people move on.

Well, I for one don't need the scolding, or be told to quit whining. How bout this. I will quit whining when the Texans start winning. And as long as we have this POS at the QB spot, I'll be whining a long time. So, get used to it. I have as much right to say my piece as you do yours.

 

[Yankee_In_TX]

Well, I for one don't need the scolding, or be told to quit whining. How bout this. I will quit whining when the Texans start winning. And as long as we have this POS at the QB spot, I'll be whining a long time. So, get used to it. I have as much right to say my piece as you do yours.

I don't mine whining about losing or about the current status of our team. Just those who still whine about the last draft :brickwall

 

[TexasJedi]

Oh yes, and look at this unbiased opinion poll.


TEXANS POLL
Should coach Gary Kubiak make a move at quarterback and if so, what should be done?


Bench David Carr for at least two games
Bench Carr for good
Trade Carr as soon as possible
Give Carr at least another half to prove himself


Well, that's not a loaded question.

 

[Double Barrel]

Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football.

How do you propose we "say no more"?

Boycott the team? Don't buy tickets? Let them get a taste of Houston's infamous fairweather fans?

We have a first year HC, bro'. You ready to give up on him already?

We have a heckuva' lot of potential talent, much of it pro-bowl caliber...should we just act like quitters on them, too?

I don't advocate blindly supporting anything. I'll gripe as much as the next guy, and I can root for a team but still be mad at individual players.

But beyond that, what do you propose to send a message to the team?

 

[Yankee_In_TX]

Oh yes, and look at this unbiased opinion poll.


TEXANS POLL
Should coach Gary Kubiak make a move at quarterback and if so, what should be done?


Bench David Carr for at least two games
Bench Carr for good
Trade Carr as soon as possible
Give Carr at least another half to prove himself


Well, that's not a loaded question.

But that's going off topic :-) This is a stop whining about last year's draft thread ;-)

 

[Porky]

I don't mine whining about losing or about the current status of our team. Just those who still whine about the last draft :brickwall

Well, I don't whine about that in general, but to the extent that has us left with the golden boy Carr, I do have my opinions about that, and will state them. I want to make sure the fans remind the team using whatever forum or outlet they have, what a loser Carr is, and what a mistake they made in the hopes it won't happen again. We had the solution in hand, and we let it go thru our fingers like sand. So, ya I am bitter as a fan. Call me a whiner if you want, but when fans like me stop caring, that's when the Texans should really worry. And, I am dangerousely close to not giving a rats behind. The only thing that will restore my allegiance is to change the QB to someone not incompetant. That's the bottom line right now for me.

 

[jerek]

Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football. You people are like the abused girlfriend that's afraid to leave her loser boyfriend. Why don't all you homers buy a clue. You berate everyone with a non-homer opinion, and then follow that by saying we are allowed an opinion. Which is it? Or do we all have to march in lockstep off the edge of the cliff like a bunch of little rats to the Texans pied piper? Go ahead, and put your little steel blue blinders on. As for me, I have an opinion, and I will state mine whether you homers like it or not.

There's a difference between voicing an opinion and beating a dead horse. That's what the VY/RB nonsense is -- beating a dead horse. Every new whining Carr tirade I read on this board week after week isn't new at all -- it's the same totally recycled, substantially baseless and malinformed crap. If you don't want to march off the cliff, get out of line and go somewhere else.

 

[Porky]

How do you propose we "say no more"?

Boycott the team? Don't buy tickets? Let them get a taste of Houston's infamous fairweather fans?

We have a first hear HC, bro'. You ready to give up on him already?

We have a heckuva' lot of potential talent, much of it pro-bowl caliber...should we just act like quitters on them, too?

I don't advocate blindly supporting anything. I'll gripe as much as the next guy, and I can root for a team but still be mad at individual players.

But beyond that, what do you propose to send a message to the team?

Sure, boycott, boo if you do go, don't buy tickets, wear a sack, post in forums like these, call them and give them a piece of your mind - Whatever it takes to wake Mr. Mcnair up, because right now the guy makes Bill Bidwell seem competant. Mcnair has repeatedly made mistakes. At what point are we to expect he will actually get a clue and learn from any of them? He does the same stupid things over and over. I'm done with the blind homerism, and taking their spin like it's some kind of ice cream.

 

[Porky]

There's a difference between voicing an opinion and beating a dead horse. That's what the VY/RB nonsense is -- beating a dead horse. Every new whining Carr tirade I read on this board week after week isn't new at all -- it's the same totally recycled, substantially baseless and malinformed crap. If you don't want to march off the cliff, get out of line and go somewhere else.

What baseless and malinformed crap are you talking about? The fans and the local media were 100% right, and the Texans were 100% wrong. And don't worry about me going somewhere else. If they continue down the path to oblivion with Carr, I'll be the first to leave voluntarily. They either change him out over the offseason, or I will take my allegiance somewhere where the staff and management have a clue. And, thousands of others will be joining me if they haven't already, and then all you blind homers can be happy with your loser QB and losing record every year.

 

[Double Barrel]

Sure, boycott, boo if you do go, don't buy tickets, wear a sack, post in forums like these, call them and give them a piece of your mind - Whatever it takes to wake Mr. Mcnair up, because right now the guy makes Bill Bidwell seem competant. Mcnair has repeatedly made mistakes. At what point are we to expect he will actually get a clue and learn from any of them? He does the same stupid things over and over. I'm done with the blind homerism, and taking their spin like it's some kind of ice cream.

Porky, I certainly understand your frustration. But I draw the line at behavior that defines the difference between fanatic and fair-weather fan. That's just me, though.

For instance, I'll go to the games, but I won't buy any merchandise or stuff like that. Most of a team's revenue comes from merch, concessions, and tv/ad revenue. So going to the game still shows a general support of the team (and more importantly the players), but diminished merch sales sends a message, too.

Plus, our tickets are right above the owner's box. We begged Mr. McNair to let Capers go last year (polite yelling?), and there might be a general mood among fans to beg him to let Carr go throughout the next three home games.

I think it's in everyone's - team, Carr, fans - best interest to part ways with our 'franchise QB' at this point. Regardless of reasons, excuses, planets not lining up, whatever, it's clear that Carr has lost the confidence of his team and coach, and has lost the support of fans. If he blows it this week, it could seal the deal, because Reliant could be ugly with it.

 

[Vinny]

I think the Texans want to hear the fans...good or bad. That's one reason we have a message board on the official site. Personally, I'm tired of the over the top stuff, but when you roll out a bad product in the NFL the fans won't be happy. This may sound hard to believe but we move out a ton of useless threads that get posted and silence a good deal of the pure haters...what you guys see are the best of the rest.

 

[JDizzle]

It's hard to say the move looks bad in hindsight when so many people said it was a bad move to begin with, before it happened. It started with giving Carr a truckload of money, which set the table for passing on Vince and Leinart. Now that Carr is regressing late in the year it's blown up again, back to the way it was before the draft. This is the "I told you so" version of the uproar we saw then. It will never stop until we have a real franchise QB under center, whether it be Carr or someone else. Get use to it.

And Chron's draft watch has been there since the beginning of the year, it's nothing new.

 

[Texan_Bill]

I think the Texans want to hear the fans...good or bad. That's one reason we have a message board on the official site. Personally, I'm tired of the over the top stuff, but when you roll out a bad product in the NFL the fans won't be happy. This may sound hard to believe but we move out a ton of useless threads that get posted and silence a good deal of the pure haters...what you guys see are the best of the rest.

That unto itslelf is pretty scary...

 

[Vinny]

lol....indeed it is.

 

[DenverBorn]

I agree with Porky. Every post he's made. All of you that are happy with mediocrity with the Texans are probably happy with mediocrity in the rest of your lives. But I think I've already said that elsewhere on these boards. Porky, keep it up!

For the record, I sold my PSLs in April. Got tired of paying face value for four Club Level I seats (including preseason scrimmages), to watch this POS team, particularly since I couldn't find anyone that was interested in going to the games. All of you that continue to show up aren't doing us any favors. I did go to the Buffalo game, at a friend's invitation - boy that was fun. Not.

As far as beating a dead horse is concerned, you started it with this thread. I don't see that the original post to this thread added any new information to the conversation on these message boards. So take your pick - you can complain about the team, or you can complain about the complainers. Me- I'd rather complain about the team. I'd like for the team to get better.

 

[whiskeyrbl]

Thats just it whether or not we are contenders is not the question. Are we better than last year? Yes. Why? Better Players. Are we there ? No. Thing is leave the past in the past and work with what you have for the future.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

I hear both sides of the story...

At one end you have the reggie bush fans/media quieting down because people are really starting to realize that he would not have made our team any better than mario would have.

you also have to VY fans who still have an argument because david carr is not doing well at all.

The FO decided to go a different route and try and rebuild our defense into a championship defense. Carr will be here what this year and 2 more years? That should be about the time to have to completely rebuild the defense starting last draft...and work on the offense before a new QB steps in and hopefully does really well.

I wanted RB before the draft, I'm happy we didn't get him now, I didn't want VY before the draft, but wouldn't have been upset if we did. I support the mario pick though.

There is only so much that we as fans can do. Most of is whine, gripe, and cry about what has happened in the past. I want a FO like i feal like we have now that will stick to their guns and do what the feel is in the best interest of the team/franchise. Passing on RB and VY made a statement.

What would you suggest we do. Come April have a poll on the texans website where we get to vote on who we should draft? and they pick the highest one?

Sure its good for the FO to have a "relationship" with the fan base but the minute they started making decisions like kubiak saying.."well we don't want to upset porky so lets do x." the minute our team goes to hell. some may argue that we're already there..and if that's the case good luck in what you decide to do.

Realize that we really can't do anything to change anything, it's a game, your a fan, every fan can have their opinion and emotion, but not every fan can be the GM.

I like that about the milk. when the milk spills quit whining about it and either clean it up, or maybe its just time for you not to drink any more milk.

 

[Texan_Bill]

I agree with Porky. Every post he's made. All of you that are happy with mediocrity with the Texans are probably happy with mediocrity in the rest of your lives. But I think I've already said that elsewhere on these boards. Porky, keep it up!

For the record, I sold my PSLs in April. Got tired of paying face value for four Club Level I seats (including preseason scrimmages), to watch this POS team, particularly since I couldn't find anyone that was interested in going to the games. All of you that continue to show up aren't doing us any favors. I did go to the Buffalo game, at a friend's invitation - boy that was fun. Not.

As far as beating a dead horse is concerned, you started it with this thread. I don't see that the original post to this thread added any new information to the conversation on these message boards. So take your pick - you can complain about the team, or you can complain about the complainers. Me- I'd rather complain about the team. I'd like for the team to get better.

If the team got better would you try to get your PSL's back?

 

[DenverBorn]

If the team got better would you try to get your PSL's back?

At this point, no. Frankly I believe that I can probably buy game-by-game tickets at or below face value, without having to buy the preseason games. Club Level I tickets are >$2,500/year EACH. So do the math on what I was spending annually for four seats. Maybe it's why I am so bitter - PSL cost ($8,400) + four seasons of four seats = a lot of money for watching this team. But ownership knows that most of the Club Level I PSL buyers are corporate buyers who are indifferent to the cost, so management doesn't really care.

This post is likely to get deleted as management doesn't like this info on the boards. I sold my PSLs on Ebay for next to nothing. No one wants to buy an option to overpay for seats. I held a 10-day auction with the draft in the middle, hoping some excitement would stimulate interest. Nope. I was actually thinking about not paying for the 2006 seats and letting the tickets go until I got a letter from the Texans' General Counsel saying they "reserved the right" to make me pay for six more seasons worth of seats. So I sold all four PSLs for <$500 total to get rid of the potential liability.

Once the original PSL contracts start to roll off, I think the team is going to have problems selling tickets. For now the tickets are sold out as the PSL buyers had to commit to so many seasons worth of tickets. The contracts were for either 5, 7 or 10 years. I'm guessing that with the team that's on the field, many of the PSL owners will ultimately stop paying for seats. And I think it's absolutely hilarious and disingenuous when the team announces sold out attendance of 70,000 + when you can look around and see 20,000 empty seats

 

[Texan_Bill]

At this point, no. Frankly I believe that I can probably buy game-by-game tickets at or below face value, without having to buy the preseason games. Club Level I tickets are >$2,500/year EACH. So do the math on what I was spending annually for four seats. Maybe it's why I am so bitter - PSL cost ($8,400) + four seasons of four seats = a lot of money for watching this team. But ownership knows that most of the Club Level I PSL buyers are corporate buyers who are indifferent to the cost, so management doesn't really care.

This post is likely to get deleted as management doesn't like this info on the boards. I sold my PSLs on Ebay for next to nothing. No one wants to buy an option to overpay for seats. I held a 10-day auction with the draft in the middle, hoping some excitement would stimulate interest. Nope. I was actually thinking about not paying for the 2006 seats and letting the tickets go until I got a letter from the Texans' General Counsel saying they "reserved the right" to make me pay for six more seasons worth of seats. So I sold all four PSLs for <$500 total to get rid of the potential liability.

Once the original PSL contracts start to roll off, I think the team is going to have problems selling tickets. For now the tickets are sold out as the PSL buyers had to commit to so many seasons worth of tickets. The contracts were for either 5, 7 or 10 years. I'm guessing that with the team that's on the field, many of the PSL owenrs will ultimately stop paying for seats. And I think it's absolutely hilarious and disingenuous when the team announces sold out attendance of 70,000 + when you can look around and see 20,000 empty seats

Well I think part of your issues stem from being up with the wine and cheese crowd. Experience the game amongst us heathens and you will have a good time regardless.

The team announces 70,000 seats sold, because thats what is sold -or "paid attendance". In this, the 5th season, I can say, proudly that I have never missed a home game, pre-season or otherwise. In fact, I have made a few road trips over the last couple of years.

That's a shame that financial considerations tie into your passion about football. That's not to say that I am happy with the state of affairs with this team, I am as livid as anyone else here. By the same token, I get levity from remembering how miserable I was without football for 7 years..

Bob McNair may not have it figured out yet as an Owner, but he will. Gary Kubiak will be a good head coach soon (he needs to learn from his rookie head coach mistakes too). We stole DeMeco Ryans in the draft. QB position will be addressed (one way or another - lets not use this post as a chance to pile on), so things may turn around sooner than you think... If people thought we would be close to a play-off contender this season, don't ever take their advice in Vegas...

 

[Vinny]

This post is likely to get deleted as management doesn't like this info on the boards.

baloney

 

[Runner]

baloney

Whew! I thought I missed a memo or something.

 

[Vinny]

I mean, in all these years they have never contacted me and told me to remove this that or the other. Heck, Nick can't even physically delete posts and he doesn't do any moderating at all. The Texans stay out of it unless it involves legal issues or something...and that hasn't happened to date.

 

[thunderkyss]

If your boss makes a bad business move, are you still complaining about it like it was yesterday nine months later? No, people move on.

If my boss kept telling me about this dumb decision again, and again, then I'd keep telling him it was a dumb decision.

I.E. "David leads the league in QB Rating" "David completed 22 of 22 consecutive passes" "David leads the league in completion percentage".....

Don't think this "David sucks" is a one way street.

nobody is talking about Jameel cook, AJ, or Dunta every freaking day, because we all agree..... yeah, he had a bad day. Yeah, he had a good day. Yeah, I wish he didn't drop that ball.

But if you get on this board, and say, "Kubiak really gave David an ass chewing after that play" we'd get "you weren't there, you don't know what he said........ for all we know, he said "David, you've got to chew those OLmen out when they screw that up like that""

When we tell him the guy can't see 15 yards down the field, they tell us this is the west coast offense....... but no other WCO has a problem throwing the ball downfield....

You tell them.... he underthrew AJ on that ball.... we're told an elite reciever would have came down with that one.

You tell them..... he ran into that sack.... we're told the rookie OLman should have done something, I don't know what, but something.

We tell them..... David played like crap against the Raiders..... they say Peyton wouldn't have played any better behind that line....

:brickwall

 

[infantrycak]

I mean, in all these years they have never contacted me and told me to remove this that or the other. Heck, Nick can't even physically delete posts and he doesn't do any moderating at all. The Texans stay out of it unless it involves legal issues or something...and that hasn't happened to date.

You're just trying to keep the conspiracy under wraps.

Everyone please form a line to the left of the MB to pick up your tin foil fedoras.

 

[srstex]

Actually I think this info needs to be shared with McNair, because although the club seats are mostly corporate, the TV rights will go down if they don't have the local crowd watching. This will hit McNair in the wallet, and you know he will care then. In year one I said " As long as we are competitive I would be happy" that was five years ago, and now I will tell you 5 & 8 would go a long way in keeping fans in the seats.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Everyone please form a line to the left of the MB to pick up your tin foil fedoras.

Cool, perfect X-mas present for my Father-in-law.

 

[Hookem Horns]

The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL?

Well I am sure no one here should be working for the NFL however what's ridiculous to me is the fact that most of the fans DID know better than those working for the Texans. Believe me, I can guarantee you that most of us here knew more about Carr than Kubiak did. He only saw the "tools" probably from films but he wasn't watching this guy week in and week out and seeing the lack of intagibles. We also knew what kind of ego inflated a** Charlie Casserely was and would never admit his guy was a bust.

I remember Casserely making some comment about how "we don't let the fans determine the draft". Well, the fans did know better when it came to VY over Carr. I also remember some other players the fans wanted and whom the Texans went with. Honestly, the Texans fans were doing a better job than Casserley. I wanted them to draft Julius Peppers over Carr. Many fans wanted Derrick Johnson over Travis Johnson. I am sure there are more examples. A lot of us are just fed up and it's real pathetic when the fans know more than those paid to be experts.

Believe me if the fans were polled on who to draft for each selection I am convinced the results wouldn't have been as bad as Casserely who thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Hook 'em, you and I actually agree? With Julius Peppers that is.. Anyway, I have to beleive that since the day the Broncos were out of the play-offs, right up until the draft - Kubiak watched more film of Carr than we could possibly realize. In fact, I bet he watched enough film for most of us to want to go Kurt Cobain. I am sure he thought to himself that he could turn Carr around if he was tough on him and didn't coddle him (which we knew Capers did). Kubiak probably wasn't thrilled to learn that Broncos were getting Plummer to compete with Griese, but he saw that tools that Plummer had and Kubiak had a positive affect on him.

I think the point Yankee was really after was, "get over it"... It's a new regime. Gone are the days of C & C... I am not bashing Vince, but how do we know how his career will shake out next season, or the season after that. We don't know.. Injuries happen. Career ending injuries (no, I am not wishing that on anyone). Half a season is not a big body of work.

Carr needs to go. I will admit that, but not for the reasons most beleive, but he needs to go.

Better days are ahead!

 

[real]

Kubiak watched more film of Carr than we could possibly realize.

Being on the outside looking in changes the appearance of what actually is...


For instance....There are many GM's around the NFL that believe Carr is good....I hope Kubiak remembers how he was fooled, and uses some other poor Teams unawarness to our advantage...

 

[ATX_Texan]

Well I am sure no one here should be working for the NFL however what's ridiculous to me is the fact that most of the fans DID know better than those working for the Texans. Believe me, I can guarantee you that most of us here knew more about Carr than Kubiak did. He only saw the "tools" probably from films but he wasn't watching this guy week in and week out and seeing the lack of intagibles. We also knew what kind of ego inflated a** Charlie Casserely was and would never admit his guy was a bust.

I remember Casserely making some comment about how "we don't let the fans determine the draft". Well, the fans did know better when it came to VY over Carr. I also remember some other players the fans wanted and whom the Texans went with. Honestly, the Texans fans were doing a better job than Casserley. I wanted them to draft Julius Peppers over Carr. Many fans wanted Derrick Johnson over Travis Johnson. I am sure there are more examples. A lot of us are just fed up and it's real pathetic when the fans know more than those paid to be experts.

Believe me if the fans were polled on who to draft for each selection I am convinced the results wouldn't have been as bad as Casserely who thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

We have a winner! Casserly was the biggest mistake this team ever made. He is pathetic and his whole "I am superior to all" routine is pitiful considering his horrible draft record.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that all the busts were all the coaches' fault.

I cannot stand to see that pompous azz on CBS every week trying to tell everyone his supposed "inside" info. He is definitely the biggest "tool" on TV right now.

I am sure the Texans would have been better off if they set up a website, let the fans vote before each draft pick, and used that choice instead of listening to Casserly.

 

[thunderkyss]

What would you suggest we do. Come April have a poll on the texans website where we get to vote on who we should draft? and they pick the highest one?

I'm happy right now, because I feel they see a problem, and Kubiak, at least, isn't too worried about it be known that that is a problem.

In past regimes, and many fan posts on this board(especially the lot from Cali) you'd think there was no problem.... that we're set at the QB position.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

In all honesty I don't know much about the different offenses and defenses in the nfl. I know in college VY was in shotgun a lot. How would VY have done in the offense Kubes/sherman brought in? How is it different than the one in Tennessee. Would that have been a good fit? i don't know enough to give an opinion.

I don't think the solution is to get rid of carr by sunday, then end of the season. or not have him next season. I think he will be here while the FO redevelops our team and then he'll be gone while another qb is learning maybe, or we bring one in in 2 seasons or so. we have so many needs that it will be awhile. before the season i didnt see us winning more than 6 games. next season i hope we are a little better but i'm not expecting playoffs. I am giving us a lot more time than most folks on this board that want us to win the division next season. thats why i'm ok with carr for now but probably not for the future in 2 seasons.

 

[thunderkyss]

The problem I see with drafting a young QB to "groom" is that the fans in Houston won't be patient enough to let that happen........ not with Carr as the starter anyway.

I say we go on with the guys we have...... Let Sage or VanPelt take the reigns next year if they prove to be serviceable, then we can start looking for a first round QB to hold a clipboard for a year or two.

 

[Runner]

We have a winner! Casserly was the biggest mistake this team ever made. He is pathetic and his whole "I am superior to all" routine is pitiful considering his horrible draft record.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that all the busts were all the coaches' fault.

There is plenty of blame to go around, but Pendry was the biggest mistake the team ever made.

IMO the lack of player development by the coaches created more so called "busts" than the deficiencies in talent identification.

I am sure the Texans would have been better off if they set up a website, let the fans vote before each draft pick, and used that choice instead of listening to Casserly.

No way - the fans would of traded the Ryans pick and one of our #3's to move up to draft Winston in the late first round. At best they would have voted to pick him with the Ryans pick.

 

[bah007]

The problem I see with drafting a young QB to "groom" is that the fans in Houston won't be patient enough to let that happen........ not with Carr as the starter anyway.

I say we go on with the guys we have...... Let Sage or VanPelt take the reigns next year if they prove to be serviceable, then we can start looking for a first round QB to hold a clipboard for a year or two.

I still dont see any reason to take it away from Carr & give it to one of these guys.

I'm all for replacing Carr if we can upgrade the position but I dont see Sage as an upgrade.

And I certainly dont see Van Pelt or Porter as upgrades either.

Unless we get Kolb in the draft or sign a starting-caliber QB in FA then I want Carr to be the starter.