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carr needs to be traded
- Thread starter Wolf
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Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I have a better plan ... Troy Smith measures just 6 ft and drops into the 2nd rd and we draft him .
Wolf
100% Texan
why? sage can do a better job?
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Because at least you are showing that you are willing to go in another direction very soon. You give a guy like Troy Smith to adapt unlike the way David was thrown to the wolves.
If David isn't doing anything more speacial, then now you got this kid who can play.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Yeah what Tejano said . LVB hows the chili going ?
I just posted this on another thread but it fits better here. Carr may need to change team for his own good, not for the Texans.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Oh I won't start making it until Monday or so, next week.
To stay on topic I like Kevin Kolb in the right round .
Once it cools down a bit I might make me some chile using the Wic Fowlers as a base but cooking a sirloin and some tomatoes and onions over a fire and then add them to said chile .
Wharton
Rookie
Youre probably right.
In posts some of my posts at the beginning of the season, I said I'd get off DC's back and for the most part, I've kept my word. But, I sorry, I'm not seeing the type of improvement I want from either him or this team. I was watching Sean Salisbury on Mike & Mike this morning and one of things he said in general about football made a lot of sense to me. According to Sean, as goes the QB for most teams so goes the team.
With that, I decided to start my anti-Carr propaganda again. While I admit I have seen some good things from DC this season, his play has been inconsistent. Still, just as last year, the best thing anyone can say about DC is He has a lot of potential. Well having a lot of potential doesnt cut it anymore. Its time to try new things. While it may not be fair in many folks, one of the first positions you make changes to turn around a football team is QB. The time to change this position is now!
Lets take a look at Sage to see if he's got the right stuff. Just as Carr deserved more then one game to prove himself, Sage deserves the same respect. Put Sage in now. Let him play the rest of the season. If he doesn't play well, lets get someone in here who has the right stuff.
TexanFan881
All Pro
If you want to go through more rebuilding, trade Carr. If you want to start winning, keep Carr. It's simple enough, just wait until next year. We should be 5-5 or 6-4 now, and none of the loses we should've won were because of Carr.
Wharton
Rookie
The Saints traded thier crappy QB and got a good one. Now they are doing a lot better. There is no evidence that keeping Carr is going to shorten our building/rebuilding. Keeping Carr may even prolong the process. At this point what is giving Sage a shot at the starting position going to hurt?
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I guess this is something that you see or don't see . Vinny has said Carr lacks the IT thing for years ... I started scratching my head last year at the Denver pre-season game .
TexanFan881
All Pro
I think we just disagree on the part that "David Carr is bad".
TexanFan881
All Pro
You're all saying that Jameel Cook's fumble against the Giants was David's fault? Are you all saying that a defensive collapse and allowing two 83 yard TD's is Davd's fault? Is it David's fault Jameel fumbled it in the redzone at the end of the second half against the Bills? I just think everyone's looking for one thing to be the problem and it's easiest to blame the QB. It's a ton of little things: the running game, the drops on offense, the defense not being able to play a full great game. We've got a new set of coaches, and a total remake of our franchise, and it's not all going to come instantly. If we start playing like we did at the beginning of the year then yes, we need a new QB, but over the last month and a half this team has made huge strides and we're on our way to being a pretty good team in the next couple years.
Wharton
Rookie
[[Gary Kubiak]];508426 said:wood glue + wolf = bad posts
I don't think anyone is saying its all Carr's fault, but I will say when Mark Brunell ripped off 22 strait completions, he threw at least one TD and the Redskins scored 4 offensive TDs.
Hmmm, I forget, how many TD passes did Carr have against Bills? Did we win that game?
I must be getting senile in my old age.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
I'm no fan of Carr...but I'm not sure what we can get for him in a trade. I'm hearing Mike Vick wants a trade as well. Not saying I want him, just saying that teams will have choices as to which QB to trade for. Kubiak is a genius and I'll support whoever he thinks fits best at QB, even Carr.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Scary thought...Kubiak is likely to bring in Plummer, just as he brought in Putz and the cloud of fat with a beard.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Plummer is atleast 10 times worse than Carr. Sage is better than Plummer.
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
...and just what strides have we made offensively besides designing a simplified offense to inflate Carr's stats? We've made ZERO strides in the most important area--scoring points--so,please, enlighten me.
David Carr in 2006
10 games...
285 attempts
198 completions
69.5 % completion rate (career high)
1896 yds passing (only had 2000 in the entire `03 season)
6.65 YPA
9 TD's (only had 9 td's in both `02 & `03)
6 Int's (15, 13, 14, 11 in `02-`05)
89.5 passer rating (career high)
Already got a 166 yds rushing (151 in entire `02 season)
2 rushing td's w/12 first downs
11 fumbles in 10 games w/5 lost
(02-21, 03-4, 04-10, 05-17)
===================================================
Carr's numbers, although not exactly banner, aren't terrible this year. He is on pace to set career highs in a couple of different areas.
You forgot his 3-7 number.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
I'm just saying...not all of AJ's TDs came from Carr.
texflex513
Rookie
Houston Texans = David Carr...Carr for president!!!! and he is better than both Chad Stanley and Kris Brown!!!! Carr 
x 100,000,000,00.
x 100,000,000,00.NJTexanFan
Practice Squad
Yea i want us to get rid of Carr so he can come back and throw all over the texans like joey harrington did today
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Not if we play the cover 2 and Mario swats at the ball as he stands there .
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
...and I KNOW that will happen.
NJTexanFan
Practice Squad
yea me too sometimes i feel Carr is too good for this team because all the fans do is bash him no matter what he does he sets a record and still the bashing continues maybe we should trade him and have a quarterback like Vince Young whos doing terrible this year i mean compare Carr and Young rookie year and most of this MB wanted Young
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I see your point...He may do better somewhere else..just like I think if we drafted reggie bush he would have been wasted...not a good fit for our team. (how did i turn this into a RB thread my bad!!!)
David Carr in 2006
10 games...
285 attempts
198 completions
69.5 % completion rate (career high)
1896 yds passing (only had 2000 in the entire `03 season)
6.65 YPA
9 TD's (only had 9 td's in both `02 & `03)
6 Int's (15, 13, 14, 11 in `02-`05)
89.5 passer rating (career high)
Already got a 166 yds rushing (151 in entire `02 season)
2 rushing td's w/12 first downs
11 fumbles in 10 games w/5 lost
(02-21, 03-4, 04-10, 05-17)
===================================================
Carr's numbers, although not exactly banner, aren't terrible this year. He is on pace to set career highs in a couple of different areas.
Just as long as he doesn't break his sack recordS!!!
lol, funniest thing i've read on here. but very true. that would help me out tremendously as well!
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
There was a player named Johnny Blood who did just that . He thought it helped his immunity system .
Hulk75
Veteran
Here lets just let the Carr haters think what they want, you guys are right, he sucks, he is bad, he is here for who knows why! 7 million dollars play better! Make you feel better?
But then he is still the starter, and Kubiak is liking what Carr is doing, In a heart beat if Kubiak did not think Carr was our future QB and leading this team and doing everything he can do he WOULD NOT be playing right now, If Sage or another guy could do better or is better, the other guy would be playing, I believe that with all my heart, guys around Carr need to step up, and that is the truth, believe what you want but it was not Carr fumbling on the 10 going in and it was not Carr after he busted to the 10 and then get called back for holding............I garunteeeeee that Andre got a tongue lashing from Kubiak about the deep ball on sunday that was INT-ed, call me crazy but I think thats what happened.
But then he is still the starter, and Kubiak is liking what Carr is doing, In a heart beat if Kubiak did not think Carr was our future QB and leading this team and doing everything he can do he WOULD NOT be playing right now, If Sage or another guy could do better or is better, the other guy would be playing, I believe that with all my heart, guys around Carr need to step up, and that is the truth, believe what you want but it was not Carr fumbling on the 10 going in and it was not Carr after he busted to the 10 and then get called back for holding............I garunteeeeee that Andre got a tongue lashing from Kubiak about the deep ball on sunday that was INT-ed, call me crazy but I think thats what happened.
Wharton
Rookie
My name is Quasimodo!
Of course it’s ridiculous, it was meant to be ridiculous.
And anyone saying Carr is doing a good job as a QB is saying something ridiculous too.
sleepwalker
Waterboy
fantastic idea.....lets trade carr, andre, owen, mario, demico, dunta and build a whole new team so we can talk all day about how we can't win in these forums.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
We'll trade them for the Chargers .
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Its never CARR's fault!!! Its the offensive line fault!!!!He brought this team two championship AFC titles and he went to the pro bowl!!!! .......no wait that was Warren Moon!!!! ......nevermind!!!!
(lol compare Warren Moon to David Carr.)
My god I hate this statement!! Anyone with half a brain is not saying Carris without fault. Maybe if you stop trying to mate with bevo you would understand that some are saying look at the whole team not just hate on the QB. But I guess he is supposed to do everything and just will is all you need to be successful in this league.
VY just has the willingness to win. He has the it factor. Yeah and Tom Brady did not have the it factor coming out of college or he would not have fallen to the 6th round. I guess we should ignore the line the receivers dropping passes or fumbling them away or the kicker missing field goals or the punter giving a short field.
IT IS A TEAM SPORT, or maybe I am just making that up??
Might as well bring in Kurt warner then because he has a super bowl ring and he has done so well the last few years.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I gotta disagree with this. People here in Dallas were calling for Romo to start before the season even started. Parcells said some things at a press conference or two that led several of the local reporters to conclude that Parcells thought Romo was the better QB even before pre-season.
The movement to get Romo to start up here was pretty big.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Personally, I don't care if Kubiak decides to go with Carr or to go in another direction. Doesn't make any difference to me. Right now, Carr has his warts and he has his good points. I trust Kubiak to do what it takes to win and part of that is choosing the right personnel. I've already seen improvement in the team's performance from last year so I think we're on the right track. If the future is with or without Carr is irrelevant to me.
I'm just a fan and I'll cheer whoever is on the field in a Texan's uniform.
But if we're not a competitive team by next year, it will be time to start wondering if Kubiak is the right answer. Not Carr or Sage or Porter or Plummer or whoever's playing QB.
I'm just a fan and I'll cheer whoever is on the field in a Texan's uniform.
But if we're not a competitive team by next year, it will be time to start wondering if Kubiak is the right answer. Not Carr or Sage or Porter or Plummer or whoever's playing QB.
texan767
Noob
For no other reason than to satisfy my own curiosity, I'd like to see Carr go
to another team that is, unlike the Texans, a contender. To the Bears maybe ? There are far more question marks about Grossman than Dave Carr, and if he screws the pooch in the playoffs for the Bears, wonder what they'd give up for David ?
But this thing here in Houston is so complicated with Carr, with the owner, and now with the new HC and his committment to make Carr a success.
Powerful egos involved, reputations, etc.
I dunno, but if they decide "not" to go with David after this year, I just hope
they don't make any big investments in a young QB again anytime in the near future. Lets concentrate on getting talent for other areas, especiallly the OLine, to a competitive level.
to another team that is, unlike the Texans, a contender. To the Bears maybe ? There are far more question marks about Grossman than Dave Carr, and if he screws the pooch in the playoffs for the Bears, wonder what they'd give up for David ?
But this thing here in Houston is so complicated with Carr, with the owner, and now with the new HC and his committment to make Carr a success.
Powerful egos involved, reputations, etc.
I dunno, but if they decide "not" to go with David after this year, I just hope
they don't make any big investments in a young QB again anytime in the near future. Lets concentrate on getting talent for other areas, especiallly the OLine, to a competitive level.
Bamaborn-Texasbred
Rookie
If you think this offense is simplified, you weren't paying too much attention to the one Dom Capers was running. Carr has made huge strides this year, and (i believe) will continue to throughout this season. The Texans will be much better next season if they don't make any major changes (like bringing in a new quarterback).
No coach was going to come in here and: put in a completely new scheme; bring in a whole new philosophy; tell the quarterback that everything he has learned the last 4 years is wrong (which it was); turn over half the starters and put lots of rookies in their steads; find out he wouldn't have his best option at running back available all year long; play one of the toughest schedules in the NFL; and then win as many games, in a stylish fashion, as some of you apparently think the Texans should have by now.
This isn't baseball where FA and some clever trades can turn you from a pretender to a contender overnight. In the NFL these things take time. The rare exception is the cowboy team that went 1-15 and then went to the Superbowl, but they got the "godfather" deal from Minnesota that no one will ever see again. They already had a qb that had been coached by the same staff, under the same system for three years.
Things will turn around. Patience is a virtue. I know 5 years is a long time to lose, but this incarnation of the Texans have only been together for a short time.
ThaShark316
#28
Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.........
I think that Kevin Kolb or Troy Smith would be a step up...just my opinion. I don't know if we will be in position to draft either though. Anyone but Brady Quinn...the guy is way overrated.
This year's offense being more complicated than last year's doesn't mean much. It is still pretty simple.
K
kingh99
Guest
Right game, wrong QB. Best QB in the OSU Michigan game? Chad Henne. The Michigan QB Chad Henne is going to be the NFL star. My opinion of course but I am rarely wrong
. I watched the guy for the first time that game and immediately got it. He has a rifle arm and his first instinct isn't to run away but rather step up. That's what I want in my QB. Someone who can step up, both in the pocket and in his game when it counts.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Henne could throw a strawberry threw the side of a battleship thats for sure .
Right game, wrong QB. Best QB in the OSU Michigan game? Chad Henne. The Michigan QB Chad Henne is going to be the NFL star. My opinion of course but I am rarely wrong
I know this violates the "if A is good, B is bad" theorem, but they are both pretty good QBs. I was impressed with Smith's accuracy and patience in the pocket. He is not a run first (or even second) QB - that has been proven all season.
K
kingh99
Guest
In about 4 total qtrs of play in both the pre-season and regular season, DC's backup has clearly run circle around DC in the area of downfield vision and throwing accuracy. The opposing team gameplans to keep Carr throwing dinks and dunks between the 20's because they don't fear his red zone. He is too content to settle and dump. That's fine as long as he also possessed the out route accuracy and arm strength downfield. Clearly he does NOT. Elway did. Heck even Jake Plummer does.
DC doesn't get enough out of the offense. He doesn't put the ball in the endzone with his arm often enough.
DC takes too long to score. You have to be able to show patience and be able to set up the downfield play. DC can't get into the endzone easily ever. Sometimes you need a gimme. Other than the Owen Daniels catch, none really. His backup mixed in some home run plays with great efficiency in the times he has been allowed to move the ball (when we aren't running out the clock). The reason we have a non-winner today is simple. Read my signature.