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Chronic: Texans show support for Carr after nightmare in Tennessee

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/4298816.html

"We're going to ride with Carr because he's the starter, and we believe he can get the job done," cornerback Dunta Robinson said. "You can't sit a guy after one bad half.

"Dave was coming off a great game against Jacksonville, and there's no way you throw a guy under the bus for one bad half."
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Kubiak said the blame for Sunday's loss starts with him.

"I take a hell of a lot of it on myself," he said. "If you point a finger, there are always three of them pointing right back at you. I have to do a better job."

And it starts with the way he handles Carr.

"(Carr's) response is very important," Kubiak said. "It's very important to our future how he comes out of this. I know it's his first time, but there aren't many quarterbacks that haven't been through this.
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"These guys have been great," Carr said. "When you're at your worst moment, you find out who your friends are, and I have a lot of them on this team."

"Almost everybody had a story for me about Jim Kelly or John Elway or Steve Young — things they'd gone through," Carr said. "The guys went out of their way, and it means a lot to me.

"I told my wife (Melody) last night that if Tennessee wanted to play me in the backyard, I wouldn't even wear pads if it meant we could do it over.

"It's going to take a hand grenade to get me off the field the next time."
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"If he were to go in the tank and change his approach and not exude confidence, then we might be on the fence. But we're not," Mark Bruener said. "We believe in David."
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If he is so confident on reforming himself after the Titans game, let's see how he fares against the Giants, Jags, and Bills in the upcoming weeks.

I'm expecting Sage to replace him by the Bills game. Pull a Reich.
 
I believe Salaam apologized to david and McKenney actually dogged his fellow O lineman saying THEY need to play better, not david.


But I see David getting killed against the Giants, Sage will be the starter and I will see if Sage is the man to take us to the promised land.
 
I can think of 8 million reasons Sage will not be our starter this season. Can you imagine how stupid thats gonna make Kubes look to Big Daddy Bob? Besides, ya gotta love the fight in David ...

"I told my wife (Melody) last night that if Tennessee wanted to play me in the backyard, I wouldn't even wear pads if it meant we could do it over.

"It's going to take a hand grenade to get me off the field the next time."
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Texans34Life said:
If he is so confident on reforming himself after the Titans game, let's see how he fares against the Giants, Jags, and Bills in the upcoming weeks.

I'm expecting Sage to replace him by the Bills game. Pull a Reich.
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He had one bad game. Carr has been immense this season, it would take a major skid for him to be pulled as starter and I really don't see that happening.
 
cornerback Dunta Robinson said. "You can't sit a guy after one bad half.
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Yes you can. This is the type of attitude that coddling one guy can and will permeate a locker room. I know it is in Carr's defense, but it is BS and needs to be squashed, especially with so many rookies getting thrust into starting positions.
 
wolfscar said:
He had one bad game. Carr has been immense this season, it would take a major skid for him to be pulled as starter and I really don't see that happening.
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My thoughts exactly, why pull a guy that's been doing great all year (finally) if he has one bad half? We've invested time and money into this guy, and it was finally starting to pay off. Let's not let all of that go to waste, I still think Carr's our man to bring us to glory, when we get a decent O-line in front of him.
 
What I find funny is that at one point in time the Houston fan base called for Warren Moon's head and wanted Commander Cody Carlson to start. When it Finlay happened Cody pulled his groin and was out and Moon came back in and had one of the best games of his career.

Little off topic here, any other old Oiler fan a little peeved the Vikings had a tribute for Moon? So far he has been honored in a city he never played in and and team he played three seasons for.
 
I think I'm gonna be ill. David Carr shouldn't be mentioned with Steve Young, John Elway, Jim Kelly or Warren Moon....it's just not fair to those great HOF players. Carr isn't in their class and I find it amazing people keep mentioning Carr with those guys.
 
Frankly, I'm surprised any of them said anything. Not because the subject was Carr, but because the times I can remember the team standing up for each other publicly are very few and far between. In the past it has seemed to me they keep their heads down so that they aren't the next to "get in trouble".
 
Vinny said:
I think I'm gonna be ill. David Carr shouldn't be mentioned with Steve Young, John Elway, Jim Kelly or Warren Moon....it's just not fair to those great HOF players. Carr isn't in their class and I find it amazing people keep mentioning Carr with those guys.
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The thing about Moon is he got here in 86' and wasn't any good until 88'. Also remember he struggled in the beginning of Pardee's Run and Shoot. Remember the butt whoopin we got from Glanville's kids the first game of the season?

Never know, maybe Carr will turn into a gamer someday. I am still holding out hope. The New York game will tell his entire future. If he comes out firing and lights up the D then he is here to stay. If he comes out flat......its over.
 
TEXANRED said:
Little off topic here, any other old Oiler fan a little peeved the Vikings had a tribute for Moon? So far he has been honored in a city he never played in and and team he played three seasons for.
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Didn't I see that KC retired his number?!?!
 
TEXANRED said:
The thing about Moon is he got here in 86' and wasn't any good until 88'. Also remember he struggled in the beginning of Pardee's Run and Shoot. Remember the butt whoopin we got from Glanville's kids the first game of the season?

Never know, maybe Carr will turn into a gamer someday. I am still holding out hope. The New York game will tell his entire future. If he comes out firing and lights up the D then he is here to stay. If he comes out flat......its over.
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we didn't hang out for 5 years waiting for Moon to get consistent. The RnS didn't work too well right off the bat in the NFL and it also didn't work without superstar talent. Bob Gagliano and Mouse Davis never could get it to work right up in Detroit. Moon made that offense work in the NFL after they worked out the bugs.
 
Runner said:
Frankly, I'm surprised any of them said anything. Not because the subject was Carr, but because the times I can remember the team standing up for each other publicly are very few and far between. In the past it has seemed to me they keep their heads down so that they aren't the next to "get in trouble".
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That's true, but I think the difference here is Kubiak. Regardless of what has happened, the team has a different attitude. Starts with "respecting your coach" IMO
 
Vinny said:
I think I'm gonna be ill. David Carr shouldn't be mentioned with Steve Young, John Elway, Jim Kelly or Warren Moon....it's just not fair to those great HOF players. Carr isn't in their class and I find it amazing people keep mentioning Carr with those guys.
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Kubiak specifically relates David to these two. I don't think anyone on this planet could know more about it than Gary. Now, if that makes you sick.... just take some Advil and go lay down. I think you may be in for a long season (if not the length of Davids career).
 
Vinny said:
we didn't hang out for 5 years waiting for Moon to get consistent. The RnS didn't work too well right off the bat in the NFL and it also didn't work without superstar talent. Bob Gagliano and Mouse Davis never could get it to work right up in Detroit. Moon made that offense work in the NFL after they worked out the bugs.
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I know. I was really just trying to compare. Moon wasn't good until Glanville installed a decent system and then didn't become a super star until Pardee played to Moon's strength of throwing it down the field.

Much like Carr. He was in a crappy system and for four years didn't have anyone to guide him. I don't think Moon, Elway, Young, or even Aikeman's concussion prone self could have survived Capers, Pendry, and Palmer. You must admit Carr has preformed a thousand times better this season than in years past.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Yes you can. This is the type of attitude that coddling one guy can and will permeate a locker room. I know it is in Carr's defense, but it is BS and needs to be squashed, especially with so many rookies getting thrust into starting positions.
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Well, you can sit him for a half. Something to break him out of a bad rhythm. However, you can't take away his job in the middle of his best season so far, particularly when it's also been one of the better seasons by any NFL starting QB.
 
the Texans are playing the freaking NY Giants this weekend in the Meadowlands, those same Giants that manhandled the Cowboys who manhandled the Texans, this is going to be ugly. We won't have to worry about David playing the 2nd half again & not because Kubiak pulls him out of the game for turnovers but because he is going to have to be picked up off the carpet and taken to the hospital for X-Rays.

Last I checked Houston was leading the league in give aways with a -9 (6 int./9 fum.) while the Giants are a plus 1, wonder how thats going to work for Carr & the Texans. Not to mention the strength of the Giants defense is their defensive line w/- Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, Barry Cofield & Fred Robbins. anyone care to guess how thats gonna match-up against this Texans O-Line?

So why even put Carr into this position? Let Sage start & see if he can read & get rid of the ball quickly, not to mention get the running game working while David make his adjustments on the sideline & learn how to read defenses something he was never given the opportunity to do as a rookie, my guess its pretty hard to learn anything while layed out on your back 76 times in a season other than throwing INT's and Fumbling the rock.
 
Carr is going to have to rebound agains the Giants on the road?

Come on guys and gals, it's a long shot at best. It could happen, but I don't see the Texans offense putting up enough points on the board to keep up with a very good Giants offense.

The Texans offense still hasn't scored a TD on the road in the first half. What have we seen that shows that is going to change? The offense is going to need to score 14 to 17 points in the first half to keep this game honest in the second half.

More than likely, things are going to get a lot worse for Carr before they get better because of the competition the next two weeks, if he lasts that long.
 
Sarg01 said:
Well, you can sit him for a half. Something to break him out of a bad rhythm. However, you can't take away his job in the middle of his best season so far, particularly when it's also been one of the better seasons by any NFL starting QB.
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Ok, so that makes the two of us not advocating that.
 
I think David Carr's objective this week is to not lose the game against the Giants.

I don't expect him to have a great game against a tough defense. But I do expect him to stop making mental mistakes that cost us points and momentum.

I expected the team to rally behind Carr, especially when the head coach makes a statement immediately after the game that he's still a starter. Nobody is going to publicly question that decision at this point.
 
Vinny said:
I think I'm gonna be ill. David Carr shouldn't be mentioned with Steve Young, John Elway, Jim Kelly or Warren Moon....it's just not fair to those great HOF players. Carr isn't in their class and I find it amazing people keep mentioning Carr with those guys.
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To keep it in context, I don't believe anyone ever made any comparisons. There are guys with the team that played with or coached those specific HOF players, and had anecdotal examples of them going through similar difficult times, but working through them to become the players they eventually became.
Nothing wrong with that, IMO... you can tell me a story about George Washington and the cherry tree, it may inspire me, but doesn't mean you think I'll become the founder of a nation...
 
for whatever reasons david carr has been given the longest leash of any qb in the history of football. there is not another organiztion that would run this guy out there game after game year after year like the texans have.carr has been the starting qb for 5 freaking yrs of bad football. yes first two yrs. can be thrown out as expansion yrs. so lets just take the last season and half. if your starting qb has a record of 4-19 over that period of time you make a change period. granted you cant put it entirely on carr but tell me one organization that wouldnt make a change after that many pathetic games. look when a team is going bad you make a change at the qb spot thats how it is in the nfl. at some point this organzation needs to say we tried but carr just hasnt worked out here. sage is a better qb than carr and for the rest of the season should be the starter but wont get the chance too. although sage is the better qb he also is not the long term option at qb either. this team should have drafted a qb this yr. but didnt now will probably have to draft one this yr. carr and sage are both really backup qbs in this league but id rather have sage as a backup than carr. the bad part of this whole situation is that after 5 yrs of football we dont have a qb and unless we can trade for one or get lucky in free agence we will have to start all over again with a rookie qb. yeah we added sum nice pieces in the draft this yr. but this team has a long way to go.i would have thought we would be better at this point but in all honesty this team has been poorly managed with bad draft picks and poor personel moves, i think it will be another couple of seasons before they can turn it around. man thats a long wait
 
I guess we'll see how all this plays out.

Kaiser, you too were praising David for his early efficiency in spite of our team's record thus far. I mean, you were not coming completely out of your sniper's perch...but you relented a little.

Now we're back to square one: People doubt he can do it.

I was glad David was pulled. I felt it was a good switch of pace for the whole team to get him out of there after what had happened. I do not dislike Sage enough to NOT want him as the starter. I'm all about winning, and I could care if it's with Gary Coleman or Screech or Tonya Harding or Joan Rivers at QB.

New York's pass rush is deadly. Only a great playcalling effort will save us, regardless of WHO is at the QB position. Sage offers less, IMO, in terms of mobility and QB rushing.

I like what someone else said that McKinney was banging on Salaam and that Salaam apologized to David. Seems I also heard from another poster that Salaam has been plagued with the problem of disappearing and allowing the QB to get smashed too often.

And there was a Pro Bowl receiver Sunday who should have been benched, too, if we're basing this on a per-player basis. Oh, but he CAUGHT a TD pass...so we can't bench him, can we? Pftttttttt. Whatever.

I'm asking for equal "benching" protocol. That's all.
 
Nighthawk said:
What's our record? Carr's stats may be good but he's done next to nothing for the team.
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And you can say that about Andre Johnson, too.

Dude dropped TWO 3rd down passes that were IN HIS HANDS, and it led to 14 Titans points. Do the math...and you see why we lost by 6.

We would have won by at least 1 point, maybe even more if AJ holds onto the friggin ball.
 
Nighthawk said:
What's our record? Carr's stats may be good but he's done next to nothing for the team.
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A piss argument since for months you insisted that part of Vince's allure was that his team won, when now they are no better than us. You can't have it both ways.
 
cbnjwill said:
for whatever reasons david carr has been given the longest leash of any qb in the history of football. there is not another organiztion that would run this guy out there game after game year after year like the texans have.carr has been the starting qb for 5 freaking yrs of bad football. yes first two yrs. can be thrown out as expansion yrs. so lets just take the last season and half. if your starting qb has a record of 4-19 over that period of time you make a change period. granted you cant put it entirely on carr but tell me one organization that wouldnt make a change after that many pathetic games. look when a team is going bad you make a change at the qb spot thats how it is in the nfl. at some point this organzation needs to say we tried but carr just hasnt worked out here. sage is a better qb than carr and for the rest of the season should be the starter but wont get the chance too. although sage is the better qb he also is not the long term option at qb either. this team should have drafted a qb this yr. but didnt now will probably have to draft one this yr. carr and sage are both really backup qbs in this league but id rather have sage as a backup than carr. the bad part of this whole situation is that after 5 yrs of football we dont have a qb and unless we can trade for one or get lucky in free agence we will have to start all over again with a rookie qb. yeah we added sum nice pieces in the draft this yr. but this team has a long way to go.i would have thought we would be better at this point but in all honesty this team has been poorly managed with bad draft picks and poor personel moves, i think it will be another couple of seasons before they can turn it around. man thats a long wait
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Were you on here last week after the Jags, and if so, what were you saying??? I could go back and check, just don't feel like it. I'mpretty sure if I found something, what it would be.
 
wolfscar said:
He had one bad game. Carr has been immense this season, it would take a major skid for him to be pulled as starter and I really don't see that happening.
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Were is this one bad game crap coming from??

He did the same thing against Indy, Washinton, Miami & Dallas. Including this game, that is five out of 7 games that David Turned the ball over.... Dallas is the only game that it was 2 Ints(one definitely not his fault), but the others were multiple fumble games, where he lost at least one that went for a score.


I believe David is the future, and I believe David should start against NYG, but we need to be honest about the situation, and pray like heck, that Kubiak is as well.

I seriously doubt CoachK is thinking David had one bad half.
 
IMO, Kubiak is setting himself up for a 'major' fall-out with his QB situation. First, why in the world does he have to come out and publically 'coddle' Carr in the media, like Carr has been since 'day one.' What is going on here? Did Carr get his feelings hurt? Is his mind set that fragile? Does this kind of situation exist anywhere else in the NFL?

By putting Carr on a 'silver platter,' what is Kubiak going to do if Carr's play on the field has a 'total' melt down? IMO, I was hoping to see Carr 'elevate' his play/consistency as part of a 'team' move upward/forward---instead, we've got the team apologizing to Carr???

...sorry, but I'm having a tough time with this...:twocents: :brickwall
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
I like what someone else said that McKinney was banging on Salaam and that Salaam apologized to David. Seems I also heard from another poster that Salaam has been plagued with the problem of disappearing and allowing the QB to get smashed too often.
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& that's what's really sad. This was Salaam's only bad game, and he was playing hurt, doing the best he could for our team. The only person we should be upset with is Kubiak, because Salaam all of a sudden got better, and played better as soon as Sage was in the game.

Sure, he had a couple of false starts, but we still scored on ,most of those drives.
we scored a field goal on the first one, making the score 3-7 Tennessee.

we got two first downs after Salaam's second false start... but that drive was killed by David's fumble that was returned for a TD.

we scored a touchdown(Sage to Andre(beautiful athletic catch) for 10 yds) 6 plays, and 3 penalties later. This was largely due to that fact that our QB can see further than 4 yards down the field when it's 3rd & 6, or 1st & 18, & Sage had just been sacked by VandenBosch which was called back for offsides.

when was the last time we picked up a first down after our QB had been sacked??
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
I guess we'll see how all this plays out.

Kaiser, you too were praising David for his early efficiency in spite of our team's record thus far. I mean, you were not coming completely out of your sniper's perch...but you relented a little.
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Absolutely I was, with caution. Carr simply needs to string some games along where he does not turn the ball over and make some plays in the pocket. Until he gets it right we will most likely being doing this dance until his contract expires or Kubiak makes a judgement call.

The benching was huge and what many have been asking for years to happen. And yes when I saw Sage going in for Carr I was certain and hopeful Kubiak would put Carr back in, even before AJ's incompletion was intercepted. Carr needed a wake up call, let's hope he responds.
 
Vinny said:
I think I'm gonna be ill. David Carr shouldn't be mentioned with Steve Young, John Elway, Jim Kelly or Warren Moon....it's just not fair to those great HOF players. Carr isn't in their class and I find it amazing people keep mentioning Carr with those guys.
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Take a pill then. :yawn:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Absolutely I was, with caution. Carr simply needs to string some games along where he does not turn the ball over and make some plays in the pocket. Until he gets it right we will most likely being doing this dance until his contract expires or Kubiak makes a judgement call.

The benching was huge and what many have been asking for years to happen. And yes when I saw Sage going in for Carr I was certain and hopeful Kubiak would put Carr back in, even before AJ's incompletion was intercepted. Carr needed a wake up call, let's hope he responds.
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I was not against the benching. You can't play like that and expect to be left in the game. Period.
 
NFLforher said:
I was not against the benching. You can't play like that and expect to be left in the game. Period.
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He was awful. The game I played and coached is different than football, but as a coach I would have taken him out as Kubiak did on his mandate, rattled him a bit and put him back in. I wonder what would have happened if AJ did not "throw" that interception and we went three and out.
 
tsip said:
IMO, Kubiak is setting himself up for a 'major' fall-out with his QB situation. First, why in the world does he have to come out and publically 'coddle' Carr in the media, like Carr has been since 'day one.' What is going on here? Did Carr get his feelings hurt? Is his mind set that fragile? Does this kind of situation exist anywhere else in the NFL?

By putting Carr on a 'silver platter,' what is Kubiak going to do if Carr's play on the field has a 'total' melt down? IMO, I was hoping to see Carr 'elevate' his play/consistency as part of a 'team' move upward/forward---instead, we've got the team apologizing to Carr???

...sorry, but I'm having a tough time with this...:twocents: :brickwall
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I agree that Kubiak set put himself in a bad spot but I don't think he expected it to happen. He called david out at half time and told him the protect the ball or he was going to pull him.

He lost a fumble on our first possession following that warning. Everyone keeps saying Carr is coddled, how would it have looked for this first year coach to not follow through on his threat no matter who the player is.

This is what concerns me more now than anything:

1) Our line was a joke against the Titans, Carr should have held onto the ball but in NY if he is distracted by a concern for the ball and has any more of a delay in his delivery behind our line, sacks will pile up like crazy.

2) No way Carr is on a short leash! He can't be, its sounds great to say but the reality of the situation is if Kubiak has to pull Carr again thats it! Anarchy will reign LOL! Kubiak will be admitting Carr has not made the progress necessary to lead a 2-14 team that really just needed to show improvement for the fans to be satisfied. The players who are willing to forgive once or maybe twice will lose faithand the fans will all stroke out! Whether you are a Carr fan or hater it will be ugly for the Texans franchise!
 
TEXANRED said:
What I find funny is that at one point in time the Houston fan base called for Warren Moon's head and wanted Commander Cody Carlson to start. When it Finlay happened Cody pulled his groin and was out and Moon came back in and had one of the best games of his career.

Little off topic here, any other old Oiler fan a little peeved the Vikings had a tribute for Moon? So far he has been honored in a city he never played in and and team he played three seasons for.
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And I might add Moon went on to win 11 stragiht and first round bye in the playoffs.
 
WhyIsItAlwaysNextYear said:
1) Our line was a joke against the Titans, Carr should have held onto the ball but in NY if he is distracted by a concern for the ball and has any more of a delay in his delivery behind our line, sacks will pile up like crazy.
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Our Oline could have played better.

But on every hit David took, he had time to throw the ball. On the sacks, he pulled the ball back down, trying to find a better target. I'm not saying that David caused the sacks, only that he didn't help himself either.

What was our game plan against the Cowboys??

We all said that it wasn't necessary to sack Bledsoe.... just pressure him & he wouldn't be able to lead the Cowboys to a win.
 
The players who are willing to forgive once or maybe twice will lose faithand the fans will all stroke out! Whether you are a Carr fan or hater it will be ugly for the Texans franchise![/QUOTE]b -- WHYISITALWAYSNEXTYEAR

Fans here in Houston have already begun to show the colors that lead to Adams move HIS team to greater pastures elsewhere. MOST have stroked out already. (to yuse your words) And most are on here talking about what should have been done or who should be cut. We should all go back to our desks and work our nine to five jobs and cash ours $1500 bi-weekly checks. Leave the coaching to the people who have been doing it for 20+ years.

On a serious note it's is very east to sit in our lazy boys and second guess Kubes. But after 11 years in the armed service and countless subordinates here is what I've learned.. The next guy always thinks he could have done it better, but when he gets the chance he usually understands the decision of his predecessor were vey close to right on. Kube s is making all teh decisions that he is in the best position to make. No matter how much beter we think we can do. Chances are strongly in favor of Kubes. WE KNOW NOTHING.
 
trutexan02 said:
The players who are willing to forgive once or maybe twice will lose faithand the fans will all stroke out! Whether you are a Carr fan or hater it will be ugly for the Texans franchise!
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b -- WHYISITALWAYSNEXTYEAR

Fans here in Houston have already begun to show the colors that lead to Adams move HIS team to greater pastures elsewhere. MOST have stroked out already. (to yuse your words) And most are on here talking about what should have been done or who should be cut. We should all go back to our desks and work our nine to five jobs and cash ours $1500 bi-weekly checks. Leave the coaching to the people who have been doing it for 20+ years.

On a serious note it's is very east to sit in our lazy boys and second guess Kubes. But after 11 years in the armed service and countless subordinates here is what I've learned.. The next guy always thinks he could have done it better, but when he gets the chance he usually understands the decision of his predecessor were vey close to right on. Kube s is making all teh decisions that he is in the best position to make. No matter how much beter we think we can do. Chances are strongly in favor of Kubes. WE KNOW NOTHING.[/QUOTE]

You know, I hope you're right because we've already waited 4+ years but-you can go back to your desk, if you want--others want to express their views on the forum--because--that's what a forum does...have a nice day...:redtowel:
 
being the carr homer that i am, i think it was good for kubiak to bench carr. i think it was a kick in the butt that carr needed. it was my feeling that the o-line set him up to fail against the titans, but that's just me. they couldn't block bosch and t. brown to save their lives. that and tenn blitzed on every down, and i think the play calling could have been a tad better, and that's what caused the fumbles, not carr. look, sometimes you need an arse-kicking and some time to think about it.
 
thunderkyss said:
You find us a player that was involved with 5 ints & 7 lost fumbles over the last 7 games, and we'll bench his sorry ass too.
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Salaam false started us into a deep hole how many times?

Salaam allowed blindside hits/hurries/sacks/fumbles how many times?

AJ dropped two STRAIGHT 3rd down passes that immediately led to 14 Titans points. And this is NOT the first time he's turned his head upfield before fully clutching the football--It's a pattern, but hey...he's a big playmaker and that stuff's bound to happen (Unless you're Carr, and then it's because you suck).

A 12th man shows up in the huddle and that's Carr's fault, too, I guess. Seriously, how many other NFL teams have had a 12th man in the huddle? I watch other games and our team is the only team who does this. It's embarassing that mulit-millionaire players and coaches in the NFL allow this to happen and we get burned for penalty yards on it. That's stuff that puts the QB in an immediate no-win situation from the get-go...and then our Pro Bowl receiver drops a key 3rd down pass that was right in his hands. Stuff like that pisses me off because OTHERS are just as guilty as the "worst QB in the history of the NFL" is.

Carr is a magnet for hate. We had ZERO of this crap when he was getting protection on a consistent basis and putting up solid TD-to-INT ratio numbers, boosting his QB rating, etc. Now we have one half where I swear the entire team looked like it had dropped acid before kickoff and we're right back to the "Well, David Carr is a punk" crapola again.

It's like a soap opera: Stop watching for a year, come back to it and you find out it's the same plot and storyline. Nothing's changed. You guys have been biting your nails waiting for him to fail, and you pounce on it like a vulture circling overhead.

You guys are the o line's best friend because it's David's fault that Salaam was taking tickets all day long.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
You guys have been biting your nails waiting for him to fail, and you pounce on it like a vulture circling overhead.
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That's certainly the feeling I get as well. Certain posters here cling to their agendas like a drowning man to a life vest. That would apply to me as well, with my "fix the damn O-line" agenda. Don't care too much who's QB as long as our line thinks Vandebosch is part of our backfield and belongs there (name your pass rusher, it all fits).
 
trutexan02 said:
The players who are willing to forgive once or maybe twice will lose faithand the fans will all stroke out! Whether you are a Carr fan or hater it will be ugly for the Texans franchise!
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b -- WHYISITALWAYSNEXTYEAR

Fans here in Houston have already begun to show the colors that lead to Adams move HIS team to greater pastures elsewhere. MOST have stroked out already. (to yuse your words) And most are on here talking about what should have been done or who should be cut. We should all go back to our desks and work our nine to five jobs and cash ours $1500 bi-weekly checks. Leave the coaching to the people who have been doing it for 20+ years.

On a serious note it's is very east to sit in our lazy boys and second guess Kubes. But after 11 years in the armed service and countless subordinates here is what I've learned.. The next guy always thinks he could have done it better, but when he gets the chance he usually understands the decision of his predecessor were vey close to right on. Kube s is making all teh decisions that he is in the best position to make. No matter how much beter we think we can do. Chances are strongly in favor of Kubes. WE KNOW NOTHING.[/QUOTE]

I agree with what you said and I think Kubiak will do a great job. The only part of what you said here that I cant agree with is the referance to the fans and Bud Adams. Thats is a load of ****! My family had Oilers season tickets from 77' until Bud split town. The fans agreed to pay for the remod of the Dome which we are still paying on, we came out in droves during the Luv Ya Blye era and even packed the done for pep rallies after losses to Pittsburgh. We jammed the Dome during the House Of Pain days screaming and stomping until you could feel the building rock. Hell I was even there with tens of thosands of other when Bud pulled up the astro turf and had had the nfl call the game saying his stadiums (the dome) turf was unsafe. Bud left because rather than appealling to the fans he used strong arm tactics and a series of stunts and got himself into a pissing contest with Ol' Bob Lanier and Bud was having none of that and took his team to Tennesse. Nobody was goning to tell Bud what he could and could not do! Dont blame the fans we were there, we were their for the defeats to Pitt., we were their for the Howfield fiasco, were were there for Black Sunday when Frank Reich brought the Bills back, we were there when a supposed over the hill Montana led the Chiefs right throough Buddy Ryans defense! There are alot of things about Houston fans that can be said but the fans had nothing at all to do with Bud Adams leaving town. It was rich men in a test of wills and Bud proved that he who owns the toy is going to win!

Sorry for the rant but as a Houston football fan since birth who has spent unknown ten of thousands of dollars on tickets, food, beer, travel, more beer and team merchendise it kills me when people blame the fans for the Oilers departure.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Salaam false started us into a deep hole how many times?
Carr is a magnet for hate. We had ZERO of this crap when he was getting protection on a consistent basis and putting up solid TD-to-INT ratio numbers, boosting his QB rating, etc. Now we have one half where I swear the entire team looked like it had dropped acid before kickoff and we're right back to the "Well, David Carr is a punk" crapola again.

You guys are the o line's best friend because it's David's fault that Salaam was taking tickets all day long.
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Bullpucky.....

We had the same crap against Indy, Washington, Miami, & Dallas.... including tennessee, that's 5 of 7 games where David Carr Fumbled the ball, or threw Ints when there was no(none, zip, zero, zilch, nada) pressure on him. How many times was David sacked against Dallas?? One..... how many times was he hit?? maybe three.

did you watch any Dallas Games this year?? Bledsoe vs Romo?? Carr vs Sage?? it's the same thing. We gave up no sacks when Sage was in the game, to the same 4 man rush that had Carr coughing up footballs.

& false starts hurt...... I ain't gone lie. But none of them, not one of them stopped a drive..... One of the flase starts was on the drive that led to David's fumble that was returned for a touchdown.......

the other, was on the progression that Sage scored a touchdown.

go figure.

Some guys need excuses..... some guys make up for their guys mistakes..... it's called putting a team on his back.
 
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