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Head Coach Candidates

Number19 said:
They weren't experts. They were just quoting a couple of blogasphere comments that more or less tied into their other comment that Gannon didn't have any more interviews scheduled. Pretty much the same as the twitter posts posted here on TT. Just opinion.

Later this afternoon I found the posts that Denver and Minnesota had completed their formally announced interviews with Gannon, so presumably, as of today Gannon has no further interviews scheduled.

They were just expressing a view that it may seem that Gannon has the edge, what with Denver apparently in the lead on Payton, on the Houston HC job.

I posted simply because it seemed to me that news had been concentrating on Payton and here was a report with another angle.
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I figured Hughley was just spouting more of his nonsense or speculation. Wondered if it was McClain since Bubba was on vacation.. thanks
 
badboy said:
If the texans reputation is as bad as has been Proclaimed for years on this message board, I doubt anything in a Zoom meeting would have made it much worse.
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Never underestimate Cal’s ability to make a situation worse (F things up).
 
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JRingo said:
Do you remember which one of their experts were saying that?
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Right because a couple of talking head experts are already infatuated with Gannon. I know people put a lot of faith in public commentators. Just keep in mind that Lance Zierlein gets it wrong over 30% of the time.
 
This is the Texans we're talking about here. Some of yall keep expecting them to do the right (or logical) thing all the time, and you keep getting snake bit for it.

I don't suppose any of the coaches have an injury history do they? I'd keep an eye on them.
 
Texian said:
Right because a couple of talking head experts are already infatuated with Gannon. I know people put a lot of faith in public commentators. Just keep in mind that Lance Zierlein gets it wrong over 30% of the time.
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Gannon took two interviews last year with the Texans. And if Lucky is correct and he 's only taken the one interview this year with the Texans and no others, it's common knowledge he wants a HC'ing gig, then it does look like Houston is a strong possibility.
 
Texian said:
Me too, and so are a lot of other teams. My optimism for signing Kafka is slowly turning to pessimism.
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Tried to post YouTube clip here with him discussing or not discussing head coaching opportunities. It's still early, after weekend is when process will heat up as he should become available for interviews.
 
Number19 said:
Gannon took two interviews last year with the Texans. And if Lucky is correct and he 's only taken the one interview this year with the Texans and no others, it's common knowledge he wants a HC'ing gig, then it does look like Houston is a strong possibility.
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If true that Gannon has a very limited number of interviews compared to the number of other coaches who have interview requests from most teams participating in the process, then yes, Houston would be a strong consideration for Gannon. The fact that Gannon has fewer requests for interviews can be directly related to Gannon having a much weaker resume than those coaches who are getting 4 and 5 requests for interviews. And because other coaches have multiple interviews, their chances of taking better jobs are stronger leaving Gannon to the Texans.
 
beerlover said:
Tried to post YouTube clip here with him discussing or not discussing head coaching opportunities. It's still early, after weekend is when process will heat up as he should become available for interviews.
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One way or another, come Sunday, Gannon and Steichen OR Martindale and Kafka will be free to interview without any restrictions. There is not much in the Youtube clip other than Kafka saying he will not discuss the interview process. He shuts down all discussion. This is a pretty good video offering a good insight into Mike Kafka: you have to click on watch it on youtube because the owner wants the clicks.
 
My fear with Gannon is that the process might be one of Gannon is our guy until and unless someone blows us away. It would once again the Texans going familiar and the process being somewhat flawed and unfair from the get go. At minimum see Kubes and Carstereo.
 
Number19 said:
Gannon has a weak, or weaker, resume???
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Compared to others yes. He has bounced around quite a bit (ala Pep) only sticking around for 2 or 3 years before moving on. His coaching tree influence is mediocre at best (2 Coaches, both fired). Inherited a a top Defense. Compared to Kafka who has spent 7 years under the tutelage of future HOF WCO/ZBS HC Andy Reid who is still coaching. Kafka has turned NYG Offense into a playoff team from a perennial loser. Daniel Jones has made dramatic improvements under Kafka.

This Colts fan does a good job of explaining why you want Kafka as your HC (start at 4:24):
 
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michaelm said:
Recent developments only confirm my belief that they have a deal with Gannon.

Also, based on the fact that they interviewed Payton via zoom, I don't think they were ever serious.

I think the interest in Payton was purely marketing to make the search more legitimate.
Considering that they've flown privately to meet candidates in the past but didn't extend that to Payton, it seems pretty likely to me.

And honestly, I'm not mad about it.
I'm good with Gannon and hopefully some of the names he's been associated with.

Unfortunately for y'all, my HC evaluation historically is questionable at best, so despite the fact that I'd be happy with it, this could turn out to be complete shyte lol
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After listening to Seth Payne's breakdown of the Zoom call, I'm out on Payton.

The fact that he blabs about his meeting with Cowherd over dinner is all I needed to know about the man. It speaks volumes.

He can take his massive ego, massive contract demands, and high price just to sign him somewhere else.

I know the Texans are desperate, but c'mon, act like a professional franchise for once and sign a young, hungry coordinator and do everything to help him succeed.

Payton is just another shortcut for these clowns.

Thorn said:
This is the Texans we're talking about here. Some of yall keep expecting them to do the right (or logical) thing all the time, and you keep getting snake bit for it.

I don't suppose any of the coaches have an injury history do they? I'd keep an eye on them.
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It's the Texans. I'm still not ruling out a dark horse Josh McCown hire. lol
 
Texian said:
Compared to others yes. He has bounced around quite a bit (ala Pep) only sticking around for 2 or 3 years before moving on. His coaching tree influence is mediocre at best (2 Coaches, both fired). Inherited a a top Defense. Compared to Kafka who has spent 7 years under the tutelage of future HOF WCO/ZBS HC Andy Reid who is still coaching. Kafka has turned NYG Offense into a playoff team from a perennial loser. Daniel Jones has made dramatic improvements under Kafka.

This Colts fan does a good job of explaining why you want Kafka as your HC (start at 4:24):
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I had previously asked for some comment or discussion on why Kafka was a popular candidate and no one responded. By the way, Kafka is at the top of my list, along with Steichen, since I prefer an OC being promoted to the Texans HC'ing position. I was wanting a comparison between the two, since I'm thinking Steichen has the stronger resume. If the Texans were to go with a DC to promote to HC, Gannon is the only candidate I like. But, since you mentioned it, I take note of his short stays as he's worked his way up the coaching ladder. As I said, he's third on my list.
 
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cuppacoffee said:
I haven't seen any of the applicant coaches resume'.

Only opinions from a wide range of message board posters.

:coffee:
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Resumes are a list of previous work history:

Jonathan Gannon resume:
As a coach:
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Mike Kafka resume:
As a player:
As a coach:
* Offseason and/or practice squad member only
 
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beerlover said:
First developing Mahomes into best QB in league then transforming Daniel Jones from bust to franchise status. Count me in.
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If Cal agrees to fire Caserio, give Kafka control and allow him to hire (Mike Borgonzi???) his own GM (ala Carroll & Schnieder, Reid & Veach) then, and only then, the Texans might have a chance at hiring Kafka.

Cal needs to fire up the plane to fly to New York City (without Nick Caserio), get him a Suite at The Plaza Hotel, and sit down and spend a couple of hours with Mike Kafka (i know Cal, right). Cal needs to promise Kafka everything he needs to be successful and not leave without Kafka becoming the next HC of the Houston Texans.
 
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Texian said:
Compared to others yes. He has bounced around quite a bit (ala Pep) only sticking around for 2 or 3 years before moving on. His coaching tree influence is mediocre at best (2 Coaches, both fired). Inherited a a top Defense. Compared to Kafka who has spent 7 years under the tutelage of future HOF WCO/ZBS HC Andy Reid who is still coaching. Kafka has turned NYG Offense into a playoff team from a perennial loser. Daniel Jones has made dramatic improvements under Kafka.

This Colts fan does a good job of explaining why you want Kafka as your HC (start at 4:24):
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You're forgetting Brian Daboll. You can't puff up Kafka without considering the influence and tutelage of Daboll. Look what Deboll did with Josh Allen. And while Allen has been good this year, last year under Deboll...he was next level. He's taken a (relatively small) step back this year. Kafka might make a fine HC, but it's worth considering who their HC is.

BTW - Daboll was on my short list last year. He probably wanted nothing to do with this train wreck.
 
Texian said:
If Cal agrees to fire Caserio, give Kafka control and allow him to hire (Mike Borgonzi???) his own GM (ala Carroll & Schnieder, Reid & Veach) then, and only then, the Texans might have a chance at hiring Kafka.

Cal needs to fire up the plane to fly to New York City (without Nick Caserio), get him a Suite at The Plaza Hotel, and sit down and spend a couple of hours with Mike Kafka (i know Cal, right). Cal needs to promise Kafka everything he needs to be successful and not leave without Kafka becoming the next HC of the Houston Texans.
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Cal will challenge him to a game of Madden
 
Porky said:
You're forgetting Brian Daboll. You can't puff up Kafka without considering the influence and tutelage of Daboll. Look what Deboll did with Josh Allen. And while Allen has been good this year, last year under Deboll...he was next level. He's taken a (relatively small) step back this year. Kafka might make a fine HC, but it's worth considering who their HC is.

BTW - Daboll was on my short list last year. He probably wanted nothing to do with this train wreck.
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You don't think these potential HC's have the ability to untrain wreck this team? That's kinda the point.
If they show they know what they're doing, you give them a long leash.
 
I'm out on Payton. I guess I'm out on DeMeco also. I really like DeMeco, and he's a fan favorite, but I don't want his first HC job to be in Houston. At least not now. This is going to be a tough gig, and I don't want him to fail here, and ruin fan's opinion of him. If he's to become the Texans HC, I want it to be a few years down the road when we are a better team, and he has more experience.
 
Brisco_County said:
Yep. When I think "Professionalism," I think "Blabbing to national media about the interview you had yesterday."
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Yep. This is just more circus clown nonsense. They need to hire someone with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove.

Payton just screams ego to me.

Texian said:
If Cal agrees to fire Caserio, give Kafka control and allow him to hire (Mike Borgonzi???) his own GM (ala Carroll & Schnieder, Reid & Veach) then, and only then, the Texans might have a chance at hiring Kafka.

Cal needs to fire up the plane to fly to New York City (without Nick Caserio), get him a Suite at The Plaza Hotel, and sit down and spend a couple of hours with Mike Kafka (i know Cal, right). Cal needs to promise Kafka everything he needs to be successful and not leave without Kafka becoming the next HC of the Houston Texans.
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Great plan, but please send Hannah instead.
 
Texian said:
Resumes are a list of previous work history:

Jonathan Gannon resume:
As a coach:
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Mike Kafka resume:
As a player:
As a coach:
* Offseason and/or practice squad member only
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Safe too say Kafka has bounced around as much as Gannon.
I think that's pretty much the norm among the better assistants as they are continually getting better offers to move up which a lot of times means going to a new team.
 
I think we all know the risk of hiring a qb coach/coordinator who great at that position but sucks at getting promoted. Like Pep.

When I look at Kafka what separates him from that? Such as another Matt Nagy? Is Kafka a leader of a team?

I just haven’t heard anything about him being able to be a NFL HC.

I ask because I just don’t know and this isn’t to say he isn’t fit for the job. He could be the next Pederson out of Andy’s tree. But Pederson and Nagy were with Andy for longer than Kafka.

It just makes you wonder if it’s too soon for Kafka or over analyzing the situation.
 
beerlover said:
First developing Mahomes into best QB in league then transforming Daniel Jones from bust to franchise status. Count me in.
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Wait a minute. Andy Reid, Matt Nagy, and even Eric Bienemy might have an issue with Kafka getting sole credit for developing Mahomes. Shoot, Brian Daboll who got the Giants job based on his work with Josh Allen might disagree with Kafka getting credit for Daniel Jones.
 
wildroot said:
Safe too say Kafka has bounced around as much as Gannon.
I think that's pretty much the norm among the better assistants as they are continually getting better offers to move up which a lot of times means going to a new team.
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For me it's "what have you done lately". When I first hear Lovie coming to Houston, I didn't even want him as the DC. His record was terrible at Illinois and he was making excuses all the time about why HIS team performed poorly.

At the very least I expect Kafka will help the passing game. I wanted him as OC here the last year or the year before when his name was being thrown around for that position.

I like the idea of him coming here with a plan to help Mills so the Texans don't have to feel like they have to reach for a quarterback.
 
Porky said:
Have you been there? You'd rather look at Exxon refineries than the Rocky Mountains? Not to mention, give me snow any day of the week and twice on Sunday over 100 with 95% humidity.
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Personally I really like Denver, actually one of my favorite cities but when it comes to Payton just remember his entire NFL career as a HC was spend in a place with a location & climate very comparable to Houston's so I suspect he'd be perfectly comfortable here.
 
wildroot said:
Safe too say Kafka has bounced around as much as Gannon.
I think that's pretty much the norm among the better assistants as they are continually getting better offers to move up which a lot of times means going to a new team.
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Not in my book. Kafka has been with 2 NFL teams. Gannon has been with 5 NFL teams, more than twice as many as Kafka. Kafka meteoric rise was done in 5 years. Gannon has bounced around for 14 years. Gannon inherited a top defense. Kafka inherited a losing offense.
 
wildroot said:
Safe too say Kafka has bounced around as much as Gannon.
I think that's pretty much the norm among the better assistants as they are continually getting better offers to move up which a lot of times means going to a new team.
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Except for 2013, Steichen was with San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers from 2011 to 2020, before going to Philly in 2021 as an OC. He's been a QB coach for four years and an OC since 2019, two years with the Chargers and two with Philly. He's even had two years as a defensive assistant, which is quite unusual and a plus in my book. 2013 was a year spent with Cleveland. A really good resume.
 
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Texian said:
Not in my book. Kafka has been with 2 NFL teams. Gannon has been with 5 NFL teams, more than twice as many as Kafka. Kafka meteoric rise was done in 5 years. Gannon has bounced around for 14 years. Gannon inherited a top defense. Kafka inherited a losing offense.
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Only one year as an OC, though.
 
Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. Andy Reid, Matt Nagy, and even Eric Bienemy might have an issue with Kafka getting sole credit for developing Mahomes. Shoot, Brian Daboll who got the Giants job based on his work with Josh Allen might disagree with Kafka getting credit for Daniel Jones.
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To which I say, only Kafka had Mahomes & Jones, Daboll had Allen & Jones. I’ll take both.
By the way, Chargers are sorry/complaining they didn’t select Daboll over Staley. Just fired Lombardi, Kafka could put the nail in the coffin if he could rebuild Herbert, Lomardi did some serious damage to their franchise QB.
 
Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. Andy Reid, Matt Nagy, and even Eric Bienemy might have an issue with Kafka getting sole credit for developing Mahomes. Shoot, Brian Daboll who got the Giants job based on his work with Josh Allen might disagree with Kafka getting credit for Daniel Jones.
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beerlover said:
To which I say, only Kafka had Mahomes & Jones, Daboll had Allen & Jones. I’ll take both.
By the way, Chargers are sorry/complaining they didn’t select Daboll over Staley. Just fired Lombardi, Kafka could put the nail in the coffin if he could rebuild Herbert, Lomardi did some serious damage to their franchise QB.
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I give Daboll all the credit in the world for selecting Mike Kafka to be his offensive coordinator. It is Mike Kafka who is sitting in the booth calling the plays.
 
Texian said:
Resumes are a list of previous work history:

Jonathan Gannon resume:
As a coach:
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Mike Kafka resume:
As a coach:
As a player:
* Offseason and/or practice squad member only
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These are not terribly different resume's other than Kafka's playing time. Did you mention earlier that Gannon took over a good Philly defense? they were bottom half of the league the year before he took over and they have improved under him to the number 2 defense while he's been there. You are being a tad disingenuous regarding Gannon.

He is not my top choice. I would prefer Kafka or Gannon's counterpart before Gannon. But his resume looks like most up and coming coaches.
 
Texian said:
Compared to others yes. He has bounced around quite a bit (ala Pep) only sticking around for 2 or 3 years before moving on. His coaching tree influence is mediocre at best (2 Coaches, both fired). Inherited a a top Defense. Compared to Kafka who has spent 7 years under the tutelage of future HOF WCO/ZBS HC Andy Reid who is still coaching. Kafka has turned NYG Offense into a playoff team from a perennial loser. Daniel Jones has made dramatic improvements under Kafka.

This Colts fan does a good job of explaining why you want Kafka as your HC (start at 4:24):
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This is what I was refering to. The bolded is not true. Bottom half defense and turned it into a top defense.

Demeco inherited a top defense and has kept is a top defense. Were you getting them mixed up? Honest question.
 
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