Derek Stingley vs. Sauce Gardner

[76Texan]

Tell me how Caserio got those extra picks. You can expect the same type of drafts for the next 2-3 yrs. You got a problem with Caserio adding 15 or so starters out of the next 2 drafts and there should be even more starters coming in FA in a couple of yrs. Yep, you may not like Caserio for whatever reason, but this franchise is in great shape for the future. Just gotta find a QB.

You never did tell me what you would've consider a great draft this last draft.

The 2016 draft was Casserly's last draft. You have no idea of the term roster building. SMH

I'm done feeding the troll. No matter the subject have you ever changed your mind one time throughout all of these yrs? If you have please point me to this post of yours.

Another thing I don't get about you is that you've told me that a rebuild can be done quickly if you have a good GM.
You had brought up examples of teams that had turned it around in one or two years.

Then, you think that NC has been successful with the drafts.

Yet you still don't think that the Texans can win more than 4 games this year.

Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

 

[thunderkyss]

Another thing I don't get about you is that you've told me that a rebuild can be done quickly if you have a good GM

“Can be” & “will be” aren’t the same thing.

& if this team is in the AFCCG next year it’s only NC’s third year.

But, I agree with you, I think, if this team isn’t in the playoffs in 2024, NC is definitely not a good GM. He might turn into one, but at that point he’s not. Even considering his dmbaz decision to hire Culley in his 1st season. That’s on him

 

[TexansBull]

“Can be” & “will be” aren’t the same thing.

& if this team is in the AFCCG next year it’s only NC’s third year.

But, I agree with you, I think, if this team isn’t in the playoffs in 2024, NC is definitely not a good GM. He might turn into one, but at that point he’s not. Even considering his dmbaz decision to hire Culley in his 1st season. That’s on him

Are you saying playoffs in 2024 as the 2023-2024 season or the in 2024 as in the 2024-2025 season? I get confused.

 

[steelbtexan]

Another thing I don't get about you is that you've told me that a rebuild can be done quickly if you have a good GM.
You had brought up examples of teams that had turned it around in one or two years.

Then, you think that NC has been successful with the drafts.

Yet you still don't think that the Texans can win more than 4 games this year.

Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

Not gonna feed the troll.

And no I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth, I've actually been quite consistent in my thinking.

 

[thunderkyss]

Are you saying playoffs in 2024 as the 2023-2024 season or the in 2024 as in the 2024-2025 season? I get confused.

2024-2025

 

[steelbtexan]

“Can be” & “will be” aren’t the same thing.

& if this team is in the AFCCG next year it’s only NC’s third year.

But, I agree with you, I think, if this team isn’t in the playoffs in 2024, NC is definitely not a good GM. He might turn into one, but at that point he’s not. Even considering his dmbaz decision to hire Culley in his 1st season. That’s on him

Gotta find the QB.

The McNair's hire the HC's, Always have and hopefully this changes.

 

[thunderkyss]

Not gonna feed the troll.

 

[JB]

More should take this advice

 

[TexansBull]

2024-2025

I agree with the year they should be making the playoffs, but if they don’t I can’t put that on the GM. That could be a coaching dysfunction. We could have a solid team that can compete but the coaching has poor game plans and play calling.

When OB was squeaking by into the playoffs it was more of a function of a bad AFC South. I remember there was a Denver game, not the one he exploded with “you suck too” but in 2018 where he got a win from a Vance Joseph mistake.

I think games can be won in spite of and lost on bad coaching. That’s why I can’t put everything on the GM.

I call it the OB-VJ.

 

[thunderkyss]

I agree with the year they should be making the playoffs, but if they don’t I can’t put that on the GM. That could be a coaching dysfunction. We could have a solid team that can compete but the coaching has poor game plans and play calling.

When OB was squeaking by into the playoffs it was more of a function of a bad AFC South. I remember there was a Denver game, not the one he exploded with “you suck too” but in 2018 where he got a win from a Vance Joseph mistake.

I think games can be won in spite of and lost on bad coaching. That’s why I can’t put everything on the GM.

I call it the OB-VJ.

If he weren’t on his 2nd HC already I’d agree with you.

 

[TexansBull]

If he weren’t on his 2nd HC already I’d agree with you.

That’s debatable if it is “his” second HC coach.

The first was never meant to be the guy. The second was for legal reasons.

And that’s OK we differ on that.

 

[steelbtexan]

If he weren’t on his 2nd HC already I’d agree with you.

I would agree with you if the McNair's weren't making the HC hires.

 

[thunderkyss]

That’s debatable if it is “his” second HC coach.

The first was never meant to be the guy. The second was for legal reasons.

And that’s OK we differ on that.

I would agree with you if the McNair's weren't making the HC hires.

I saw two interview processes. McNair didn’t like the direction it was going & I agree with him. If I were Cal & this thing isn’t turned around after the 2024 season I’m cleaning house.

But I’m not Cal & the way they’ve done things I’m sure Lovie will stick around. But Caserio’s already shown he’s not competent to hire a HC. If his draft picks flop, what’s he good for?

 

[TexansBull]

I saw two interview processes. McNair didn’t like the direction it was going & I agree with him. If I were Cal & this thing isn’t turned around after the 2024 season I’m cleaning house.

But I’m not Cal & the way they’ve done things I’m sure Lovie will stick around. But Caserio’s already shown he’s not competent to hire a HC. If his draft picks flop, what’s he good for?

I agree about if his draft picks flop. Plus cap mismanagement. And FA acquisition. Those are at the top of a GMs duties. If he ain’t doing those well then he should be kicked to the curb.

The HC hiring is included, but the last two have been different than what most franchises face with the Watson and Flores stuff. And the last one saw one of the perpetrators of the hiring process recently fired.

So. You know. Opinions.

 

[steelbtexan]

I saw two interview processes. McNair didn’t like the direction it was going & I agree with him. If I were Cal & this thing isn’t turned around after the 2024 season I’m cleaning house.

But I’m not Cal & the way they’ve done things I’m sure Lovie will stick around. But Caserio’s already shown he’s not competent to hire a HC. If his draft picks flop, what’s he good for?

Like I said before the McNair's have hired the HC's from Capers to Lovie. Hopefully this changes.

Better yet, name the HC's the McNair's haven't hired?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

DEREK STINGLEY




SAUCE GARDNER

 

[Rich Schmidt]

When you find the best guy possible at each draft slot consistently.

Sauce vs Stingley, for example.

Why does it matter how NC get the extra picks?

A GM is supposed to draft the right guy at the particular spot.

But if you want to know, it was because a number of teams thought highly of Watson and were willing to part way with multiple draft picks.

NC had nothing to do with it.

Now, back to the topic, a no. 3 pick is supposed to be a HR, and so far Stingley isn't.
Sauce looks like one.
It's too early to give a finale grade for any draft picks, but you asked so I answer.

So far it looks like NC missed on Sauce.
Does that make for a good draft?
No.

It's just like Allen was there and Nick took Mayfield.
Would that have been a good draft/pick for you?

The same goes for Green and Pitre.
There are several other rookies drafted behind them who are having a much better start.

You like to use the PFF grade to tout that Tunsil is the 5th or 6th best LT, whatever.

Did you bother to check the PFF grades for them three?

So we are going to rate all GMs by whether they picked the best guy at a spot using theafter the facy knowledge how they perform after the draft in a different scheme playing with better/worse team. OK, fire every GM. Geez, NC ain't near perfect but every GM misses, and there are cant miss guts that suck, and unknown guys that are great. How many people thought JJ was the best guy at that slot? Whatever. Sauce may have been the better pick, but too early to judge, and both seem to be good players

 

[76Texan]

So we are going to rate all GMs by whether they picked the best guy at a spot using theafter the facy knowledge how they perform after the draft in a different scheme playing with better/worse team. OK, fire every GM. Geez, NC ain't near perfect but every GM misses, and there are cant miss guts that suck, and unknown guys that are great. How many people thought JJ was the best guy at that slot? Whatever. Sauce may have been the better pick, but too early to judge, and both seem to be good players

Didn't you read the part where I said "consistently"?

That's how a GM should be rated.
The more he hits the mark the better.

Didn't you read that I also said it's too early?

What's wrong about saying that NC's early results of the two drafts are fairly mediocre?

How many guys that he drafted are considered a bona fide NFL starter that other teams hate to play against?

Right now, the only guy is DP.
But he's yet to prove that he can be a bell-cow back for a long season.

 

[76Texan]

“Can be” & “will be” aren’t the same thing.

& if this team is in the AFCCG next year it’s only NC’s third year.

But, I agree with you, I think, if this team isn’t in the playoffs in 2024, NC is definitely not a good GM. He might turn into one, but at that point he’s not. Even considering his dmbaz decision to hire Culley in his 1st season. That’s on him

With the current playoffs format (7 out of 16 in each bracket), a team that makes it doesn't necessarily have a good GM.
Just a guy slightly above average.
Or even a below average guy whose team gets a little lucky that particular year; especially if his team wins a weak division (like the AFC South).

 

[JB]

So we are going to rate all GMs by whether they picked the best guy at a spot using theafter the facy knowledge how they perform after the draft in a different scheme playing with better/worse team. OK, fire every GM. Geez, NC ain't near perfect but every GM misses, and there are cant miss guts that suck, and unknown guys that are great. How many people thought JJ was the best guy at that slot? Whatever. Sauce may have been the better pick, but too early to judge, and both seem to be good players

Doesn't matter Brian... he knows players better than Caserio/Lovie ever could

How else could he make such a declaration that one was better than the other after 5 games?

 

[76Texan]

Not gonna feed the troll.

And no I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth, I've actually been quite consistent in my thinking.

You certainly did talk out both sides of your mouth.
The year we argued about Kubiak vs. OB, you definitely said that it's not difficult to bounce back; many teams had done that in a year or two.
You also said 2-14 is the same whether it was Kubiak or OB.

By that definition, 4-12 is definitely better than 2-14, and the rebuild should be accomplished sooner.

Kubiak went from 2-14 to 6-10, then 8-8.

Yet, you think that this team is heading in the right direction with another 4-win year.

If that's not double standard, I don't know what is.

And you say you're consistent in your thinking.
That's laughable.

 

[76Texan]

What would you consider to be a successful draft?

2006 Houston Texans Draftees | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Check out the 2006 Houston Texans complete list of drafted players and more on Pro-Football-Reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

Now, that's what I called a successful draft.

Mario was what he was supposed to be.
The guy would have had a better career without that turf toe thing.

Demeco came in and showed right away that he's a tackling machine.

Spencer was installed as the LT right off the bat, and looked like a franchise LT. But we all know what Ron Dayne did.

Winston became a starter shortly in week 5.

OD caught 5 TD passes in the first 7 games, from David Carr.

Lundi was game one starter, but his career was also derailed by injury.

........

The Texans current rookie class comes with more draft picks originally (two first rounders and two second rounders).

 

[beerlover]

DEREK STINGLEY

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SAUCE GARDNER

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Thanks for always trying to keep topic on track.

Numbers are one thing, intangibles are another and this is truly what separates the great ones. Gardner has a passion for the game that’s infectious. He leads by example, teammates feed off his energy and enthusiasm. He is a difference maker that stats alone don’t tell. Despite what or how the media portray’s him, Sauce, doesn’t have a malicious bone in his body. He’s not out there trying to show other players up or hurt them it’s just a reflection of his love for the game. When he puts on a cheese head, after the game running around Lambeau Field it was like outer-body experience he could only of dreamed. It was a pure celebration of joy in moment with Cheese Heads hanging around after the game along with some rabid Jet fans who traveled all the way to Green Bay to support their team. That **** is extra, that’s a treat for the fans who will never forget experience, it’s called entertainment. So in these moments (not saying it’s always on the field) but these moments are similar expressions to what a Dion Sanders or Terrell Owens performed long before there was a Sauce, athletically gifted showman.

Said all that to say this, Texans/Caserio are not very entertaining. They’ve either forgot or never knew how to be entertaining. But I still remember JJ Watt, he was our entertainer. One hell of a football player too. If you can find that dual threat talent, draft him, you don’t pass it by.

 

[steelbtexan]

Thanks for always trying to keep topic on track.

Numbers are one thing, intangibles are another and this is truly what separates the great ones. Gardner has a passion for the game that’s infectious. He leads by example, teammates feed off his energy and enthusiasm. He is a difference maker that stats alone don’t tell. Despite what or how the media portray’s him, Sauce, doesn’t have a malicious bone in his body. He’s not out there trying to show other players up or hurt them it’s just a reflection of his love for the game. When he puts on a cheese head, after the game running around Lambeau Field it was like outer-body experience he could only of dreamed. It was a pure celebration of joy in moment with Cheese Heads hanging around after the game along with some rabid Jet fans who traveled all the way to Green Bay to support their team. That **** is extra, that’s a treat for the fans who will never forget experience, it’s called entertainment. So in these moments (not saying it’s always on the field) but these moments are similar expressions to what a Dion Sanders or Terrell Owens performed long before there was a Sauce, athletically gifted showman.

Said all that to say this, Texans/Caserio are not very entertaining. They’ve either forgot or never knew how to be entertaining. But I still remember JJ Watt, he was our entertainer. One hell of a football player too. If you can find that dual threat talent, draft him, you don’t pass it by.

You know what is entertaining?

Winning

The Jets lead by Quininen Williams and their talented DL and a secondary lead by Sauce are winning. The Texans don't have that type of talent on their defense. Although this last draft was a good start.

 

[thunderkyss]

Doesn't matter Brian... he knows players better than Caserio/Lovie ever could

How else could he make such a declaration that one was better than the other after 5 games?

Sounds like Mike Mayock syndrome. Mayock is good, maybe among the best at identifying talent & ranking them against each other.

But he’s oblivious on making decisions to build a team. Like Chip Kelly & his “dream team.”

It takes more than talent.

 

[76Texan]

I would agree with you if the McNair's weren't making the HC hires.

You never raised that McNair making the HC hire thing while Rick Smith was here.

 

[beerlover]

You know what is entertaining?

Winning

The Jets lead by Quininen Williams and their talented DL and a secondary lead by Sauce are winning. The Texans don't have that type of talent on their defense. Although this last draft was a good start.

not necessarily but it helps for sure. What’s entertaining is realizing vision & seeing it unfold in front of your own eyes.

tell you this, both Jets and Chargers are 4-2. Don’t know if it’s because I’m more invested in Herbert & Company but they are anything but enjoyable to watch, even though they have a “winning” record. Jets (same record) are enjoyable, in fact a blast.

I can see the vision more with Jets than Chargers. Gonna have to say coaching is probably better as well. Telesco is like Rick Smith, excellent with his 1st rd. 2nd/3rd ok but 50/50 then just minimum hits thereafter (Salyer being outlier).

This is where the rubber hits the road, GM. Joe Douglas seems like a great fit and natural leader for Jets organization.

"A general manager must be more than just a talent evaluator. He must be able to build and sustain a winning culture"

Joe was mentored by the Ravens great GM General Manager Ozzie Newsome. Still the system in place produces excellent results for Baltimore. Along with KC the best winning cultures and talent acquisition franchises. Robert Salah, from Shanahan tree gives them complimentary football brain trust and applications.

Chargers struggled to beat Denver last week in an ugly game mirrored in penalties and field goals (home). Much harder to win in Mike high, altitude takes adjustments, so we’ll see how well Jets play. Has Sauce put in the work to maintain his cardio? Don’t know if he has Stingley’s work ethic? Stingley is way ahead of him as a polished CB who studies film and his opponents. They would be great playing together, one pushing other, possessing different skill sets complimenting one another, that’s team building. If Texans had not taken Stingley would the Jets? Would the Jets have selected Stingley over Wilson? We’ll never know……

 

[steelbtexan]

not necessarily but it helps for sure. What’s entertaining is realizing vision & seeing it unfold in front of your own eyes.

tell you this, both Jets and Chargers are 4-2. Don’t know if it’s because I’m more invested in Herbert & Company but they are anything but enjoyable to watch, even though they have a “winning” record. Jets (same record) are enjoyable, in fact a blast.

I can see the vision more with Jets than Chargers. Gonna have to say coaching is probably better as well. Telesco is like Rick Smith, excellent with his 1st rd. 2nd/3rd ok but 50/50 then just minimum hits thereafter (Salyer being outlier).

This is where the rubber hits the road, GM. Joe Douglas seems like a great fit and natural leader for Jets organization.


Joe was mentored by the Ravens great GM General Manager Ozzie Newsome. Still the system in place produces excellent results for Baltimore. Along with KC the best winning cultures and talent acquisition franchises. Robert Salah, from Shanahan tree gives them complimentary football brain trust and applications.

Chargers struggled to beat Denver last week in an ugly game mirrored in penalties and field goals (home). Much harder to win in Mike high, altitude takes adjustments, so we’ll see how well Jets play. Has Sauce put in the work to maintain his cardio? Don’t know if he has Stingley’s work ethic? Stingley is way ahead of him as a polished CB who studies film and his opponents. They would be great playing together, one pushing other, possessing different skill sets complimenting one another, that’s team building. If Texans had not taken Stingley would the Jets? Would the Jets have selected Stingley over Wilson? We’ll never know……

The Chargers and the Jets are way far ahead of the Texans talent wise. In fact if they would've remained healthy they could've competed with the Bills/Chiefs for the AFC. I did mocks where Sauce was drafted at 3 and Stingley was drafted at 13 due to injury. I like them both.

Speaking of entertaining the Texans will become much more entertaining over the next 3 yrs as Caserio adds premium talent like he did this last draft. Fans just have to remain patient and Caserio has to find his QB. There will be growing pains with a new young QB and I dont want a young QB drafted while Lovie's in charge for obvious reasons. I want an offensive minded HC as the next HC with the QB of his choice to lead the next chapter of the Houston Texans history. I like Kalfka as this guy. What do you think about Lombardi as this guy. On another note, how long do you think Staley's leash is with Payton rumored to be wanting the Chargers job?

 

[JB]

Sounds like Mike Mayock syndrome. Mayock is good, maybe among the best at identifying talent & ranking them against each other.

But he’s oblivious on making decisions to build a team. Like Chip Kelly & his “dream team.”

It takes more than talent.

Yep, I think Caserio/Lovie view fit almost as important as sheer talent

 

[76Texan]

You know what is entertaining?

Winning

The Jets lead by Quininen Williams and their talented DL and a secondary lead by Sauce are winning. The Texans don't have that type of talent on their defense. Although this last draft was a good start.

This is another example of your double standard.

The Texans were 4-12 in 2020.
The Jets went 2-14 because they hitched their wagon to Darnold.

The next year, both teams finished with 4 wins.

The Texans were able to recoup their assets with the Watson's trade for much more than the Jets with the Darnold's trade.

Now, all of sudden you claim that the Jets have more talents than the Texans while maintaining that NC has been doing a fine job.

You even claimed that Mills outplayed his counterpart in NY last year.

So laughable.
NC is doing a good job, but the Jets have more talents than the Texans.
What kind of reasoning is that?

 

[beerlover]

The Chargers and the Jets are way far ahead of the Texans talent wise. In fact if they would've remained healthy they could've competed with the Bills/Chiefs for the AFC. I did mocks where Sauce was drafted at 3 and Stingley was drafted at 13 due to injury. I like them both.

Speaking of entertaining the Texans will become much more entertaining over the next 3 yrs as Caserio adds premium talent like he did this last draft. Fans just have to remain patient and Caserio has to find his QB. There will be growing pains with a new young QB and I dont want a young QB drafted while Lovie's in charge for obvious reasons. I want an offensive minded HC as the next HC with the QB of his choice to lead the next chapter of the Houston Texans history. I like Kalfka as this guy. What do you think about Lombardi as this guy. On another note, how long do you think Staley's leash is with Payton rumored to be wanting the Chargers job?

That requires Cultural Change.

 

[JB]

This is another example of your double standard.

The Texans were 4-12 in 2020.
The Jets went 2-14 because they hitched their wagon to Darnold.

The next year, both teams finished with 4 wins.

The Texans were able to recoup their assets with the Watson's trade for much more than the Jets with the Darnold's trade.

Now, all of sudden you claim that the Jets have more talents than the Texans while maintaining that NC has been doing a fine job.

You even claimed that Mills outplayed his counterpart in NY last year.

So laughable.
NC is doing a good job, but the Jets have more talents than the Texans.
What kind of reasoning is that?

Once again you spin things to fit your agenda. Totally ignoring the 2021 draft where the Jets had 3 picks in the top 34 and found their QB. Caserio didn't have a pick until 65. 2021 both teams finished with the same record but the Jets had 4 picks in the top 36 in 2022. The Texans had 3 in the top 37, but had to overcome the piss poor OL that OB had left.

The Jets didn't have to overcome the mess that OB left the Texans in. The Jets MVP was drafted in 2019.

 

[Lucky]

Mayock is good, maybe among the best at identifying talent & ranking them against each other.

Mayock was always overrated as a talent evaluator. Never should have gotten a GM job.

 

[steelbtexan]

That requires Cultural Change.

We're going to find out in a couple of years.

 

[Mr teX]

You know what is entertaining?

Winning

The Jets lead by Quininen Williams and their talented DL and a secondary lead by Sauce are winning. The Texans don't have that type of talent on their defense. Although this last draft was a good start.

Lol…Those other guys are just Jags tho……..iTs bEcAuSE oF tHe SaUcE!

the hype is out of control with this guy…..the whole not giving up a TD thing got put to rest 1st week of the season…you still got people pumping that narrative tho…

 

[beerlover]

Mayock was always overrated as a talent evaluator. Never should have gotten a GM job.

Just another talking head.

 

[76Texan]

Lol…Those other guys are just Jags tho……..iTs bEcAuSE oF tHe SaUcE!

the hype is out of control with this guy…..the whole not giving up a TD thing got put to rest 1st week of the season…you still got people pumping that narrative tho…

That was a miscommunication with the safety.
Sauce had to keep an eye out for the corner.

It wasn't like he got beat for the TD.

 

[ATXtexanfan]

Sauce is good

 

[Mr teX]

That was a miscommunication with the safety.
Sauce had to keep an eye out for the corner.

It wasn't like he got beat for the TD.

lol, No..that was the next week against the Bengals.

Miscommunication or not…the TD Amari Cooper caught was on Sauce…PFF agrees & has credited that TD given up to him. He’s backing out pointing to something and noone is over there but he and the safety. Completely backs out and leave Cooper all by himself. Doesnt even attempt to carry him.

Its ok, that type of stuff happens..no need to undergo mental gymnastics trying to keep the narrative alive.

 

[76Texan]

lol, No..that was the next week against the Bengals.

Miscommunication or not…the TD Amari Cooper caught was on Sauce…PFF agrees & has credited that TD given up to him. He’s backing out pointing to something and noone is over there but he and the safety. Completely backs out and leave Cooper all by himself. Doesnt even attempt to carry him.

Its ok, that type of stuff happens..no need to undergo mental gymnastics trying to keep the narrative alive.

Look at the 3 routes to the left.

The crossing route was double-teamed by the two LBs.

The safety isn't paid to do nothing.

He's got to read the QB's eyes while knowing which route might enter his area.

Sauce was clearly guarding the corner.
He never had the initial intention to jump on Cooper.

 

[76Texan]

Lol…Those other guys are just Jags tho……..iTs bEcAuSE oF tHe SaUcE!

the hype is out of control with this guy…..the whole not giving up a TD thing got put to rest 1st week of the season…you still got people pumping that narrative tho…

The 3 TDs in the Ravens game in the first week went to Hall, Joyner, and Whitehead.

 

[Mr teX]

Look at the 3 routes to the left.

The crossing route was double-teamed by the two LBs.

The safety isn't paid to do nothing.

He's got to read the QB's eyes while knowing which route might enter his area.

Sauce was clearly guarding the corner.
He never had the initial intention to jump on Cooper.

Lol…so who was it on then? I dont think Saleh’s defense calls for letting a team’s #1 WR option run free. Think he’d much rather his guys cover guys not back out into empty areas covering nothing….which is what Sauce did. I say all that to say intention DOESNT MATTER. Its still on him if he got his wires crossed or he had a brain fart and just let Cooper run free.

 

[76Texan]

Lol…so who wasit on then? I dont think Saleh’s defense calls for letting a team’s #1 WR option run free. Think he’d much rather his guys cover guys not back out into empty areas covering nothing….which is what Saice did. I say all that to say intention DOESNT MATTER. Its still on him if he got his wires crossed or he had a brain fart and just let Cooper run free.

Even if he had a brain fart, he didn't get beat, that's what I was saying.
It wasn't because of a lack of skill.

 

[Mr teX]

Even if he had a brain fart, he didn't get beat, that's what I was saying.
It wasn't because of a lack of skill.

Whether it be for lack of skill, brain fart or miscommunication, its on him….never said he didnt have skill or that he wasnt good…just that the hype is out of control…especially when there are other guys on that defense having just as much if not more of an impact than he is.

 

[76Texan]

Whether it be for lack of skill, brain fart or miscommunication, its on him….never said he didnt have skill or that he wasnt good…just that the hype is out of control…especially when there are other guys on that defense having just as much if not more of an impact than he is.

I never care about the hype.
He's still a rookie like Dunta or Patterson, etc.

Lots of QBs and receivers that he's yet to see. Not to mention the various offensive plays that the offensive coaches draw up.

 

[steelbtexan]

Even if he had a brain fart, he didn't get beat, that's what I was saying.
It wasn't because of a lack of skill.

Using the brain is a very underrated skill around these parts.

 

[Mr teX]

I never care about the hype.
He's still a rookie like Dunta or Patterson, etc.

Lots of QBs and receivers that he's yet to see. Not to mention the various offensive plays that the offensive coaches draw up.

Yep…..he’s good, but he’s got alot of help..& he’s had a bit of luck too when you look at the Qb/WR combos hes faced. 1 or the other is either out or just not very good.

 

[Texansballer74]

Some people are fickle as heck around here. Have the audacity to squat on a player like Sauce. A rookie CB who is playing at a very high level. But then want to talk up Mills like he’s playing good football. He finally put together three quarters of solid production. But still showed he doesn’t have what it takes to at least fight for a win.

And no bleep, we all know it’s about winning. In today’s league you have to have a darn good quarterback to do so. Your quarterback has to be clutch. Mills made some darn good throws but when it counted the most he came up short again. Go out there and make a darn play for your team. Show us all that you’re a freaking leader.

And Tex for the record, if you go back and look at my history before this season started. I was all for Mills. He showed me some clutch-ness in those last 5 games of last season. Right now the only thing he’s shown me is regression. Nobody can us the offensive line and running back excuses. Why because the offensive line has been better in pass pro, and our running game is much better than last season.

 

[IDEXAN]

That’s debatable if it is “his” second HC coach.

The first was never meant to be the guy. The second was for legal reasons.

And that’s OK we differ on that.

I definitely go with that explanation myself:
I think Caserio was left with an imperative from ownership to fill the HC position with a minority, and then this year there was the whole saga of ownership being infatuated with the white evangelist QB who had virtually no coaching experience, at any level.

 

[Mr teX]

Some people are fickle as heck around here. Have the audacity to squat on a player like Sauce. A rookie CB who is playing at a very high level. But then want to talk up Mills like he’s playing good football. He finally put together three quarters of solid production. But still showed he doesn’t have what it takes to at least fight for a win.

And no bleep, we all know it’s about winning. In today’s league you have to have a darn good quarterback to do so. Your quarterback has to be clutch. Mills made some darn good throws but when it counted the most he came up short again. Go out there and make a darn play for your team. Show us all that you’re a freaking leader.

And Tex for the record, if you go back and look at my history before this season started. I was all for Mills. He showed me some clutch-ness in those last 5 games of last season. Right now the only thing he’s shown me is regression. Nobody can us the offensive line and running back excuses. Why because the offensive line has been better in pass pro, and our running game is much better than last season.

Get out of here with this binary, illogical ass thinking.

A. Ain't nobody said Sauce wasn't a good player......but he ain't the only 1 on that defense making a huge difference...i'd argue he's not the 1 making the biggest difference
B. Noone's said Mills has been playing good football...if you look at any of my posts pre- this game i've repeatedly said that overall he's coming up short
C. Noone's disputed that you need a good qb to win.......ummm, duh..... That's ALWAYS been true regardless of the "era".

He did go out there "& make plays for his team"....but he's not the only dude on the team responsible for doing that. How about 1 of our edge guys come up with a critical sack on 3rd down to stop a drive........how about our LB's actually cover up a pass window adequately in zone coverage so that 3rd and long throw isn't as automatic as it has been for our opponents....how about someone on defense come up with a TO to get the offense an extra possession...how about anyone other than Pierce break a damn tackle....... How about 1 of the WR's bail their QB out...as it was Brevin Jordan damn near dropped a surefire TD pass..Why you not locking in on that? you're hyperfocused on what Mills is not doing b/c you still labor under the belief that he as the qb should rescue everybody & that line of thinking is & has always been off. Asking any player to go out and play a perfect game is a fools errand & you're always gonna be disappointed and think "he sucks" or "he's regressing" if you think that. You would think you of all people would understand that after watching DW4 in 2020 come up short for us after all his heroics.."Oh, there's other positions on the field who can make plays besides the QB?" Yeah, Chargers, Broncos & GB fans are finding this out now too...apparently you still have a ways to go in your understanding.