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Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22

Lucky said:
Jack brought McCown into this organization. Saying he is not the driving force behind McCown's candidacy is non-sensical, to be kind.

Cal was right. The Texans would have been ridiculed for hiring an inexperienced HC. I have to give Cal credit for that, at least. That he has become the sane voice in the room is frightening.

I'm now calling Cal by his name for the rest of the week (or until he does something else foolish).


McCown has run plays called from the sideline. Mainly at practice. That's not coordinating or coaching an offense.

Being liked by teammates and managing people are two different things. One of which Josh McCown has never done.

Jack Easterby has been in and around the game for the past decade. I guess he has the chops to be HC, too?


Is that the criteria being used on Kirby for selecting HCs? Can't be much worse than Culley? Geez.

I hope that when McCown is named head coach, the Kirby apologists can come up with better rationalizations.
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IMO I think people are putting way too much emphasis on the X and Os experience in qualities for a HC. The more successful HCs are the ones who are successful CEOs first. How well can they lead, handle and motivate people? That's why I think the better measuring stick and barometer is W, Ls and winning %.
 
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Porky said:
I feel like some of us are like an abused dog.
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I gave you the laughing emoji. But I'm crying on the inside.

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Jack Burton said:
A good owner knowing he’s going to be flush with pics once he trades Derrick would offer 2 1’s to NO privately to get Payton, then give him GM-HC title, a 10 year contract and GTFO of the way.Caserio obviously would be gone.
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You had me at, "Caserio obviously would be gone."
 
Lucky said:
I hope that when McCown is named head coach, the Kirby apologists can come up with better rationalizations.
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There will be excusions, lots of excusions! Yes, I know it's a new word but it's perfect word to explain the apologist's coming behavior.
 
Porky said:
Yes sir I agree. Thanks for being one of the voices of reason along with Texian and a few others. I mean trying to rationalize a guy as HC that hasn't even been a paid coach at any level, even pee wee league, is a new low in the annals of rationalization.

I feel like some of us are like an abused dog. If a neighbor lets us sleep in the garage for a night and doesn't hit us, and we get a scrap or two off the table - we think we're at the Four Seasons.
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For the past two years. It feels like some fans are normalizing the nonsense on Kirby. It's almost like a Stockholm syndrome type effect.
  • The Hopkins trade is rationalized by claiming he gets targeted too much while ignoring that his targets have declined under Watson or he gets targeted just as frequently as other WR1s.
  • A rumor about Watson mother being the root cause of the trade is regurgitated and believe without questioning why any NFL franchise would make personnel decisions based on a player's mother
  • Character coaches getting promoted to temporary GM, negotiating contracts, EVP of football operations and nothing to see here while ignoring that has never been done in NFL history
  • Texans wanting to hire McCown as HC without any prior coaching experience and some fans rationalizing that he is a 20 year vet while ignoring NFL history
  • Salary cap mismanagement is considered, "not our money" while ignoring that it is a symptom of bad management
  • Giving a pass to a front office that is determined to build "culture" from the top down instead of bottom up while ignoring that winning teams do not operate this way.
I can go on and on. As fans, besides not giving the Texans our money, we have no impact on the decisions being made at NRG. However, it's alarming how we rationalized and even justify some of these decisions with some of the most illogical reasons or excuses. Maybe, the Texans are the team some of us deserve.
 
Porky said:
Mannings are buying the Broncos. I wish they would buy the Texans. We'd have a winner in no time, but oh well.

Speaking of the Broncos, they have interviewed 10 candidates already. Texans are at 5 and two of them are laughable and should never have been interviewed. Three serious candidates vs. ten. I think they go Hackett who is another guy on my radar.

It MAY be that guys just don't want to come here. That's certainly a possibility. It also could be that this is a dumpster fire of a "search" like everything else this org does.
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The whole there are only 32 of these jobs and the check can get big enough should yield a could of dudes arrogant enough to ignore everything Texans bad and think he is the to guy turn it around.
 
Texian said:
You had me at, "Caserio obviously would be gone."
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Unfortunately the “good owner” isn’t here so we screwed.
I would have had that deal done by lunch today if I was in charge and you as the director of scouting would of been introducing Payton as our new GM-HC.

I swear those opportunities don’t come round often.
 
Earl34 said:
For the past two years. It feels like some fans are normalizing the nonsense on Kirby. It's almost like a Stockholm syndrome type effect.
  • The Hopkins trade is rationalized by claiming he gets targeted too much while ignoring that his targets have declined under Watson or he gets targeted just as frequently as other WR1s.
  • A rumor about Watson mother being the root cause of the trade is regurgitated and believe without questioning why any NFL franchise would make personnel decisions based on a player's mother
  • Character coaches getting promoted to temporary GM, negotiating contracts, EVP of football operations and nothing to see here while ignoring that has never been done in NFL history
  • Texans wanting to hire McCown as HC without any prior coaching experience and some fans rationalizing that he is a 20 year vet while ignoring NFL history
  • Salary cap mismanagement is considered, "not our money" while ignoring that it is a symptom of bad management
  • Giving a pass to a front office that is determined to build "culture" from the top down instead of bottom up while ignoring that winning teams do not operate this way.
I can go on and on. As fans, besides not giving the Texans our money, we have no impact on the decisions being made at NRG. However, it's alarming how we rationalized and even justify some of these decisions with some of the most illogical reasons or excuses. Maybe, the Texans are the team some of us deserve.
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Almost everyone I've interacted with here and elsewhere do not support these decisions as a whole, or have severe disagreements with aspects of these decisions. We are certainly suffering some measure of collective Stockholm syndrome,, but that doesn't mean we don't deserve better as a fanbase.

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Lucky said:
Jack brought McCown into this organization. Saying he is not the driving force behind McCown's candidacy is non-sensical, to be kind.

Cal was right. The Texans would have been ridiculed for hiring an inexperienced HC. I have to give Cal credit for that, at least. That he has become the sane voice in the room is frightening.

I'm now calling Cal by his name for the rest of the week (or until he does something else foolish).


McCown has run plays called from the sideline. Mainly at practice. That's not coordinating or coaching an offense.

Being liked by teammates and managing people are two different things. One of which Josh McCown has never done.

Jack Easterby has been in and around the game for the past decade. I guess he has the chops to be HC, too?


Is that the criteria being used on Kirby for selecting HCs? Can't be much worse than Culley? Geez.

I hope that when McCown is named head coach, the Kirby apologists can come up with better rationalizations.
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Let's wait to see who becomes the next HC before doing these mental gymnastics.
 
Texian said:
The NFL is full of and littered with good coordinators who were terrible HCs.
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This year's playoffs are full of and littered with Head Coaches who were coordinators. 10 of the 14, to be exact. Who wasn't a coordinator?

Andy Reid - Brett Favre's QB coach in Green Bay
Zac Taylor - Rams QB under Sean McVay
Kliff Kingsbury - College head coach and former college offensive coordinator
Rich Bisaccia - Interim head coach and 20 year NFL special teams coach

Everyone but Bisaccia is considered an Xs & Os guy. Is that all they bring to the table? No. But, it shows they know their stuff and can communicate that to a group. Merging great athletes and great ideas into a team. So no, great football minds are not overrated.
 
Earl34 said:
To my knowledge, Caserio does not have a previous relationship with McCown.
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What do you know about Easterby & McCown’s previous relationship? Far as I can tell they were never in the same state.

There’s got to be a connection there, just don’t know what it is.
 
thunderkyss said:
What do you know about Easterby & McCown’s previous relationship? Far as I can tell they were never in the same state.

There’s got to be a connection there, just don’t know what it is.
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Besides giving a 3rd string QB a press conference, I wouldn't know anything about their relationship. I don't have "insider sources". John McClain claims they are close friends. What do you think of their connection?

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Lucky said:
This year's playoffs are full of and littered with Head Coaches who were coordinators. 10 of the 14, to be exact. Who wasn't a coordinator?

Andy Reid - Brett Favre's QB coach in Green Bay
Zac Taylor - Rams QB under Sean McVay
Kliff Kingsbury - College head coach and former college offensive coordinator
Rich Bisaccia - Interim head coach and 20 year NFL special teams coach

Everyone but Bisaccia is considered an Xs & Os guy. Is that all they bring to the table? No. But, it shows they know their stuff and can communicate that to a group. Merging great athletes and great ideas into a team. So no, great football minds are not overrated.
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According to your definition, that makes Bill O'Brien a great coach. I do not concur. 10 coordinators made the playoffs, so how many did not, 17? Just making the playoffs also sets the bar fairly low. If 7 coordinators are hired to fill all of the HC positions most of them will fail, if not all of them. We will just have to disagree. I'll stick to my measuring stick of wins, losses and winning % being the better barometer.
 
Texian said:
According to your definition, that makes Bill O'Brien a great coach. I do not concur. 10 coordinators made the playoffs, so how many did not, 17? Just making the playoffs also sets the bar fairly low. If 7 coordinators are hired to fill all of the HC positions most of them will fail, if not all of them. We will just have to disagree. I'll stick to my measuring stick of wins, losses and winning % being the better barometer.
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No where in the post did he mention Bill O'Brien or a "definition" for a great coach. That's a strawman argument to attempt to invalidate his very valid point that 10 of 14 HCs in the playoffs this year were coordinators.

Your point that there are many failed HCs that were coordinators is also valid. It's about sample distribution. The vast majority of HCs were coordinators.

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Lucky said:
This year's playoffs are full of and littered with Head Coaches who were coordinators. 10 of the 14, to be exact. Who wasn't a coordinator?

Andy Reid - Brett Favre's QB coach in Green Bay
Zac Taylor - Rams QB under Sean McVay
Kliff Kingsbury - College head coach and former college offensive coordinator
Rich Bisaccia - Interim head coach and 20 year NFL special teams coach

Everyone but Bisaccia is considered an Xs & Os guy. Is that all they bring to the table? No. But, it shows they know their stuff and can communicate that to a group. Merging great athletes and great ideas into a team. So no, great football minds are not overrated.
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I like special teams coaches. They're the only coaches who interact with all 3 phases of football. Harbaugh doesn't call plays, he manages personel which is cool too. They have an overview of the team.
 
Lucky said:
Jack brought McCown into this organization. Saying he is not the driving force behind McCown's candidacy is non-sensical, to be kind.

Cal was right. The Texans would have been ridiculed for hiring an inexperienced HC. I have to give Cal credit for that, at least. That he has become the sane voice in the room is frightening.

I'm now calling Cal by his name for the rest of the week (or until he does something else foolish).


McCown has run plays called from the sideline. Mainly at practice. That's not coordinating or coaching an offense.

Being liked by teammates and managing people are two different things. One of which Josh McCown has never done.

Jack Easterby has been in and around the game for the past decade. I guess he has the chops to be HC, too?


Is that the criteria being used on Kirby for selecting HCs? Can't be much worse than Culley? Geez.

I hope that when McCown is named head coach, the Kirby apologists can come up with better rationalizations.
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thunderkyss said:
What do you know about Easterby & McCown’s previous relationship? Far as I can tell they were never in the same state.

There’s got to be a connection there, just don’t know what it is.
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Jump to the 13:33 mark in the video, and McCown explains how he knows Jack. Speaks of "different kind of professional things" both have been involved in. Easterby and McCown have both been on the corporate speaking tour, as has another HC interviewee, Hines Ward.
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banned1976 said:
I expect to be underwhelmed when the Texans announce their next head coach. I'm not excited about any of the potential candidates, and I feel like the Texans will pick another lightweight.
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If Caserio can continue drafting well and gets the right free agents to make up for the lightweight coaching we might be ok. As long as at least the coordinators are good. I sure hope Pep stays and moves to OC, and the new coach doesn’t force the EP system, and instead installs an offensive scheme that best suits Mills.

By the way, I’m expecting to be underwhelmed and probably disappointed when they announce the hire myself.
 
Jack Burton said:
A good owner knowing he’s going to be flush with pics once he trades Derrick would offer 2 1’s to NO privately to get Payton, then give him GM-HC title, a 10 year contract and GTFO of the way.Caserio obviously would be gone.
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Here you go with that "Payton as GM-HC" theory again. There is absolutely nothing realistic about it and zero evidence that is would be a good thing even if it was possible.
 
Texian said:
IMO I think people are putting way too much emphasis on the X and Os experience in qualities for a HC. The more successful HCs are the ones who are successful CEOs first. How well can they lead, handle and motivate people? That's why I think the better measuring stick and barometer is W, Ls and winning %.
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While I don't disagree with you it also has to be factored in the circumstances of those wins and loses. Take Belichick for example, he's a great HC no doubt but would he be considered the GOAT if he didn't have Brady the last 20 years? I still think he would be one of the greats but I doubt it would have been the dynasty we have seen. Its why I'm not big on the idea of big name college coaches moving to the NFL. Yes they may have winning records but the most important thing in collage is recruitment. A team like Clemson or Alabama is going to destroy most other college teams regardless of how good the other HC is simply because of recruiting better talent. In the NFL the difference between the worst team in the league and the best team is 5-10 plays.

Aaron Rodgers explained it best when they asked him about the Urban Meyer situation, and no thats not a shot for once, he said "In college you call your coach "Coach", in the NFL you call you coach [by their first name]."
 
Lucky said:
I think that @Jack Burton was suggesting what he would do. Not that it's realistic. And what could be a bad thing about hiring a Super Bowl winning coach with a .631 winning %? You could do worse.
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As a HC 100% I'm on board with that and would say hire him then let him pick his own staff and whatever he wants. As a HC/GM that I'm not on board with not out of love for Caserio but because its to many hats for one person to wear and its completely different mindsets. Coaches care about the short term and don't look beyond the season, GMs have to look at the franchise 10 years down the line. When a coach is handing out contracts thats how you get stupid numbers for mediocre players like we saw with OB.
 
banned1976 said:
I expect to be underwhelmed when the Texans announce their next head coach. I'm not excited about any of the potential candidates, and I feel like the Texans will pick another lightweight.
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Shocking, who would you like them to hire?

Do you like how the Rams/Chargers offense looks?

Gannon came up the coaching tree with McVay. He's well connected and looks like he can put together a very good staff.
 
Mangler said:
If Caserio can continue drafting well and gets the right free agents to make up for the lightweight coaching we might be ok. As long as at least the coordinators are good. I sure hope Pep stays and moves to OC, and the new coach doesn’t force the EP system, and instead installs an offensive scheme that best suits Mills.

By the way, I’m expecting to be underwhelmed and probably disappointed when they announce the hire myself.
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So you want Mills to hae to learn another offense in his 2nd yr?

Why do you think you will be disappointed? I'm really looking forward to the McConnell interview. From what I can tell Caserio is looking for a young guy with experience not only as a coordinator but has some experience in scouting.
 
TexansFight said:
McCown is only being considered because he and Rasputin Jack became BFFs and are both members of Fellowship of Christian Athletes. It’s sickening and infuriating that these extraneous factors with absolutely zero connection to football or winning are what matters to the Texans.

Rasputin is still firmly in control and pulling the strings with moves like this. This team is run by dumbasses and are a laughingstock. They have so much hubris and are so tone deaf that continue making moves no other team in the league would make. Houston finally gave this team the finger this year by not selling out every game and for not watching this **** product. No acknowledgment or apology for their horrible actions that have actively killed their fan base. Cal, Rasputin and Caserio can all go to the hell. They have earned hatred and vitriol of Houston fans.
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Has a HC been hired yet?

Get back to me when one is hired.

I dont want McCown as HC. as a QB coach I would love for him to join the crew down on Kirby. You seem to have a problem with the FCA connections. I will tell you this though, if McCown was hired and knowing the coaching family he comes from (Not personally) the Texans will have upgraded over BOB/Culley if they hired McCown tomorrow. The guys had coaching in his blood since birth.
 
Mayo interviewed with Denver. If there was mutual interest, he'd already have interviewed here. The Texans can't get anyone decent to interview for this dumpster fire. And it's like watching paint dry. War and Peace took less time than this "search". I mean how long does it take to pick up a phone and ask a guy if he is interested?

As it stands now, I'd be "meh" with Gannon. I'm sort of neutral on him. It really depends very highly on who ends up as OC and what direction they take the offense under Gannon. The OC would be as/more important then the HC imo. Hopefully he'd keep Lovie.

I'd be a lot more pumped about O'Connell although I like some other guys better out on the open market. But he's the only guy mentioned as a likely candidate to really pique my interest. If he brought in a like-minded OC or if Pep would be that guy with a similar idea to build an offense, I'd be onboard.

Flores - I like the experience and thought he did a reasonably good job in Florida but I just see too much BOB in him. I don't want another BOB. I'll pass.

The others - Complete and total wastes of time.
 
Mangler said:
If Caserio can continue drafting well and gets the right free agents to make up for the lightweight coaching we might be ok. As long as at least the coordinators are good. I sure hope Pep stays and moves to OC, and the new coach doesn’t force the EP system, and instead installs an offensive scheme that best suits Mills.

By the way, I’m expecting to be underwhelmed and probably disappointed when they announce the hire myself.
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Agreed, but his cap management to date is a concern. For me anyway. He can draft well, negotiate FA well, but if he doesn't spend well it all falls down.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed, but his cap management to date is a concern. For me anyway. He can draft well, negotiate FA well, but if he doesn't spend well it all falls down.
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As an example, we had passable cap management during the late RS years, drafted poorly outside the 1st round, and were still able to build a paper tiger that could get to the playoffs. Once the GM merry-go-round started, though...

To be clear, I dont want a paper tiger. Just giving an example.
 
Porky said:
Mayo interviewed with Denver. If there was mutual interest, he'd already have interviewed here. The Texans can't get anyone decent to interview for this dumpster fire. And it's like watching paint dry. War and Peace took less time than this "search". I mean how long does it take to pick up a phone and ask a guy if he is interested?

As it stands now, I'd be "meh" with Gannon. I'm sort of neutral on him. It really depends very highly on who ends up as OC and what direction they take the offense under Gannon. The OC would be as/more important then the HC imo. Hopefully he'd keep Lovie.

I'd be a lot more pumped about O'Connell although I like some other guys better out on the open market. But he's the only guy mentioned as a likely candidate to really pique my interest. If he brought in a like-minded OC or if Pep would be that guy with a similar idea to build an offense, I'd be onboard.

Flores - I like the experience and thought he did a reasonably good job in Florida but I just see too much BOB in him. I don't want another BOB. I'll pass.

The others - Complete and total wastes of time.
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Who would you like Caserio to interview?

I like what I've read about Gannon and he had a pretty good defense in Philly.

If you want to hire an offensive type coach the top 4 guys out there are O'Connell/Lombardi/McDaniels/McDaniels. Any of these guys would be great hires IMHO.

Instead of saying I dont like any of these guys, tell me why you dont like them and give me some suggestions for a guy you would like for Caserio to hire.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed, but his cap management to date is a concern. For me anyway. He can draft well, negotiate FA well, but if he doesn't spend well it all falls down.
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I thought we've already discussed and CnD showed us in an article that the Texans should be out from under all of the bad contracts by the end of next yr and Caserio signed most of the 30 FA's last yr to 1-2 yr deals so there will be even more cap space available after next yr. This doesn't even take into account how much the cap is going to go up after next yr since God'ell and his thugs got in bed with the gamblers.

After next yr the Texans will be in good shape when it comes to how much money they have to spend in fA. I've said all along that it would take 2 yrs to cleanup the mess BOB/Easterby made with the cap. 1 yr down and 1 more yr to go. Cant fix everything in one yr.
 
frethack said:
As an example, we had passable cap management during the late RS years, drafted poorly outside the 1st round, and were still able to build a paper tiger that could get to the playoffs. Once the GM merry-go-round started, though...

To be clear, I dont want a paper tiger. Just giving an example.
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The cap hasn't been badly managed since Caserio has been on Kirby.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who would you like Caserio to interview?

I like what I've read about Gannon and he had a pretty good defense in Philly.

If you want to hire an offensive type coach the top 4 guys out there are O'Connell/Lombardi/McDaniels/McDaniels. Any of these guys would be great hires IMHO.

Instead of saying I dont like any of these guys, tell me why you dont like them and give me some suggestions for a guy you would like for Caserio to hire.
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Daboll, Ryans, Leftwich are my top three. I've added some guys to my list like Hackett, O'Connell, Lombardi, & Raheem Morris.

Out of those 7, they have interviewed zero to date. I know they have asked O'Connell, but I've heard nothing confirmed have you? I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about Gannon but to me the key is who is his OC. This offense needs an enema not just a tweaking. I don't give a rats behind about setting Mills back. He's likely not the long term answer anyway. Burn this MoFo to the ground and rebuild it from scratch with some variation of the WCO and I'll be a happy camper.
 
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Report: Josh McCown turned down Texans' offer for associate head coach at the end of 2020

The Houston Texans offered Josh McCown the associate head coach position at the end of 2020, but the former quarterback turned it down.
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I was told in 2020 they had bonded over the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. They’re both devout Christians, and I was told by two players and other members of the organization, you watch, Easterby is going to try to get him hired as a head coach. He was interviewed and he wanted to retire and go watch — I don’t know if it was one son or two — watch them that season, and they offered him the job as the associate head coach, and he said no because he wanted to take a year off. Now, they’ve interviewed him again. What’s the point? What’s changed with him? To me, why interview him a second time. Caserio interviewed him with Easterby the first time. They interviewed him again. I think he would be a tremendous addition to the offensive staff based on everything I’ve been told with his 12 teams. Everybody loves Josh McCown, think he’s going to make a tremendous coach. They said he would have been a tremendous analyst for ESPN where he briefly accepted a job before he went back to play with the Eagles. The Eagles offered him a coaching job.
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Porky said:
Daboll, Ryans, Leftwich are my top three. I've added some guys to my list like Hackett, O'Connell, Lombardi, & Raheem Morris.

Out of those 7, they have interviewed zero to date. I know they have asked O'Connell, but I've heard nothing confirmed have you? I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about Gannon but to me the key is who is his OC. This offense needs an enema not just a tweaking. I don't give a rats behind about setting Mills back. He's likely not the long term answer anyway. Burn this MoFo to the ground and rebuild it from scratch with some variation of the WCO and I'll be a happy camper.
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They have interviewed Lombardi.
 
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