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Ironic. Seems like a few posters should read this a few times.
Ironic. Seems like a few posters should read this a few times.
Ah Stephen A, always making sure that the teams are screwed so that the star players can keep being divas. He's ragging on the Texans for being silent on this, well what exactly are they suppose to say? If they support him and he's proven guilty then they just supported a rapist, if they don't support him and he's proven innocent then they just shot themselves in the foot and no player really will want to play here. Also lets not forget that before all this came out Watson was doing everything he could to guarantee that the franchise was dead for the next decade. So what exactly would he or anyone else like them to do?
Maybe this forum should be renamed Texans Talk Among Fools. A community of fools and their fandom to a foolish NFL team and its history of foolish decisions and tomfoolery.
Ah Stephen A, always making sure that the teams are screwed so that the star players can keep being divas. He's ragging on the Texans for being silent on this, well what exactly are they suppose to say? If they support him and he's proven guilty then they just supported a rapist, if they don't support him and he's proven innocent then they just shot themselves in the foot and no player really will want to play here. Also lets not forget that before all this came out Watson was doing everything he could to guarantee that the franchise was dead for the next decade. So what exactly would he or anyone else like them to do?
I believe they are approaching the situation correctly. Whether you support him or don’t support him you are taking a position without the facts. They are being neutral, taking no position, and are simply stating they are waiting for the results of the investigation to be pronounced and they then will address the situation accordingly. They will then have plenty of time to bring resources in his support or will take action if he is guilty.
yep. The NFL is the driver. I haven’t had the energy to look, but I also haven’t heard what the players union is doing. They too may be waiting for the results of the investigations to unfold.Also, the Texans aren’t operating in a vacuum on this issue. The NFL has a strategy to deal with these situations, and the Texans take their cues from there.
As usual, Smith doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
WTF is so hard to comprehend about the so-called "court of public OPINION". I mean, it's right there in the name.
The public has absolutely no power or influence in the process, but yeah, let's act like we need to "stay neutral" like the NFL executive V.P. of football operations.
How about we'll just close this thread and mods can post newsworthy updates without any opinions on each development? We can move the thread to an off-topic section and keep this specific forum about FOOTBALL only.
Then nobody can say anything about the subject until a court of law rules or both sides settle the matter.
How about we'll just close this thread and mods can post newsworthy updates without any opinions on each development? We can move the thread to an off-topic section and keep this specific forum about FOOTBALL only.
Finally, a great post. I agree with everything you said.Ah Stephen A, always making sure that the teams are screwed so that the star players can keep being divas. He's ragging on the Texans for being silent on this, well what exactly are they suppose to say? If they support him and he's proven guilty then they just supported a rapist, if they don't support him and he's proven innocent then they just shot themselves in the foot and no player really will want to play here. Also lets not forget that before all this came out Watson was doing everything he could to guarantee that the franchise was dead for the next decade. So what exactly would he or anyone else like them to do?
WTF is so hard to comprehend about the so-called "court of public OPINION". I mean, it's right there in the name.
The public has absolutely no power or influence in the process, but yeah, let's act like we need to "stay neutral" like the NFL executive V.P. of football operations.
How about we'll just close this thread and mods can post newsworthy updates without any opinions on each development? We can move the thread to an off-topic section and keep this specific forum about FOOTBALL only.
Then nobody can say anything about the subject until a court of law rules or both sides settle the matter.
Clean would be completely exonerated. No one believes any of the allegations. The league doesn’t suspend him.
How does anyone know if she said no? Isn't that what the earlier poster was referring to ' he said she said?'If she said no then he’s guilty.
How does anyone know if she said no? Isn't that what the earlier poster was referring to ' he said she said?'
So, in court, it is the number of accusers that determines guilt? You just said no proof and if he had video or solid not ambiguous recordings, surely Busby would have led with that at least to Hardin.Really? Wouldn’t be pressing charges if they didn’t. 23 women dude. Come on
You would never be able to prove if they did or didn’t. Unless those sessions were being videotaped or recorded.
So, in court, it is the number of accusers that determines guilt? You just said no proof and if he had video or solid not ambiguous recordings, surely Busby would have led with that at least to Hardin.
If there was convincing evidence, I think DW would have settled when it was presented.
" wouldn't be pressing charges if they didn't"? Hardin must be giggling at that.
Have you noticed that there's been radio silence lately?
Makes me think they're working on a settlement. Hopefully this happens tomorrow.
SteelB are you gong to predict a big trade involving DW4 on Draft night if there's a settlement tomorrow on his cases ?Have you noticed that there's been radio silence lately?
Makes me think they're working on a settlement. Hopefully this happens tomorrow.
That is absurd. However since DW4 and his agent tried to turn the NFL into the NBA that level of absurdity has been downgraded.You know that's absurd, right?
Saying one thing while doing another.perhaps that's why Dashaun is pushing to go to trial?
SteelB are you gong to predict a big trade involving DW4 on Draft night if there's a settlement tomorrow on his cases ?
That is absurd. However since DW4 and his agent tried to turn the NFL into the NBA that level of absurdity has been downgraded.
My prediction (GUESS): Using history as a guide, this gets settled out of court. Because DW4 tried to make a mockery of the NFL and turn it into the NBA the NFL will exact their revenge and send a message. The NFL will suspend DW4 for 1 year without pay for violation of the league's personal conduct policy. This along with the message that one, if he keeps his nose clean he will be eligible to return to the NFL after the suspension is over. And two, the Texans will trade him to another team after his suspension which he will accept. If he fails to meet those two requirements he will never play football in the NFL again.
Radio silence..............Settlement in the works?? vs. Indictment in the works??Have you noticed that there's been radio silence lately?
Makes me think they're working on a settlement. Hopefully this happens tomorrow.
Radio silence..............Settlement in the works?? vs. Indictment in the works??
Neither is Buzbee.Good question
If DW4 gets indicted Hardin screwed this up.
Hardin isn't known for screwing his clients up.
IMHO the Texans will be able to get as much or more in 2022 as they could've possibly got it 2021. DW4 will still have the ability to play QB that he always has. The exception is the cast of characters involved will be different. If Caserio trades him this year then the bounty for DW4 will be considerably less.Nice speculation if for no other reason we'll at least get something for him. And that is the only thing I'm concerned about at this point. He'll never play another down for the Texans.
Good question but I would have thought if indictment, Busby would be cranking up the pressure even more. Just my two cents out of my left pocket.Radio silence..............Settlement in the works?? vs. Indictment in the works??
My prediction (GUESS): Using history as a guide, this gets settled out of court. Because DW4 tried to make a mockery of the NFL and turn it into the NBA the NFL will exact their revenge and send a message. The NFL will suspend DW4 for 1 year without pay for violation of the league's personal conduct policy. This along with the message that one, if he keeps his nose clean he will be eligible to return to the NFL after the suspension is over. And two, the Texans will trade him to another team after his suspension which he will accept. If he fails to meet those two requirements he will never play football in the NFL again.
Yeah but there are similarities in that both are receiving sexual favors from masseuses. Different in that Kraft wasn't being extorted by the people he engaged with, the massage parlor was being investigated by police and they obtained video (that they are now destroying) implicating him doing it. Watson, on the other hand, had a few women come to him privately demanding money to avoid lawsuit, only to magically see the number of accusers inflate in a short period of time. As of right now, there is no video info it, just she said he said.
I think at this point its reasonable to believe that more than a few of these women are flat out lying/misrepresenting the situation/lying by omission & are trying to get a big pay day to save some face. Then i believe there's at least 1-2 who had some "buyer's remorse" for the same reason. They probably thought nothing of it at the time.....As Hardin asserts, some may have even bragged about it to friends.......which shows that the encounter was likely consensual. but then they later had an internal crisis with their morals once they realized that it was nothing but a hook up for DW4....or they were put off by how DW4 and his team may have "handled" them after the fact with asking them to sign NDA's and back-handed threats like the thing he said to 1 of the accusers about his reputation being dragged in the mud.
Buzzbee's whole case rests on Solis imo. She's the one who may legitimately feel like she was sexually assualted. But imo, proving that will be hard if she hasn't been completely forthcoming about EVERYTHING that happened and her motives. For all her crying and emotional distress she displayed on TV, for me as a juror i'd still be wondering why she didn't go the criminal route 1st. It just doesn't add up to me.
This does not make him guilty of sexual assault.Watson is NOT innocent. As we have talked about before. He had the ability to hire a massage therapist paid for by the team. He instead goes on Instagram to look for one.
Doubt it. If they can't prove guilt in a Civil trial chances of reaching a guilty verdict in a criminal trial is not likely. If it is not likely to get a conviction DAs & AGs won't present charges.I can almost assure you that if he doesn't get convicted on civil charges.
Awright I like that strategy, and for the future of the franchise lets hope that NC is permitted by ownership to stay that course.I'm told Caserio's plan remains the same as it has been. They will wait to trade Watson for much more coveted 2022 and future picks over 2021 picks from a draft most see as poor and sorely lacking in depth. This is the smartest thing they can do to recover from a really bad situation. Carolina is still waiting in the wings, and they won't be alone in this. Patience is the word for 2021.
IMO the mood changed when the sexual assault accusations blew up. My take is Janice does not and will not allow a sexual predator pervert to be the face of the Houston Texans. My GUESS is she has already had conversations with the league office and the Commissioner regarding DW4. And an indefinite suspension (1 year) without pay would be just fine with Janice McNair.Oh I know. I just have a feeling that nobody was sure how the meeting would go. Once he said he was not going to play even for Culley plans altered. Nick Caserio is not stupid and would have told everyone that he feels Watson should be traded. While they may not have liked the idea knew he was right. The question is was a plan in place for it or was a plan being worked on and then the criminal stuff happened and shut it down for the time being. We have a guy that works for the Texans come into work alot. He gets asked 20 questions every time even if everything is going good. He didn't say Watson was going to be traded but he did say that "the mood changed about Watson after he met with Culley". What that means is unknown seeing he will not get into details.
Also, Antonio Brown’s civil suit was just resolved. So 22 of these things will take a long time to get resolved without a settlement. Is Watson prepared to wait that long?
IMO the mood changed when the sexual assault accusations blew up. My take is Janice does not and will not allow a sexual predator pervert to be the face of the Houston Texans. My GUESS is she has already had conversations with the league office and the Commissioner regarding DW4. And an indefinite suspension (1 year) without pay would be just fine with Janice McNair.
I dunno are you familiar with the expression "cut off nose to spite face".IMO the mood changed when the sexual assault accusations blew up. My take is Janice does not and will not allow a sexual predator pervert to be the face of the Houston Texans. My GUESS is she has already had conversations with the league office and the Commissioner regarding DW4. And an indefinite suspension (1 year) without pay would be just fine with Janice McNair.
I am hearing that not all of the complainants are willing to settle. They are wanting to seek justice beyond just monetary compensation.Also, Antonio Brown’s civil suit was just resolved. So 22 of these things will take a long time to get resolved without a settlement. Is Watson prepared to wait that long?
Mo Money???I am hearing that not all of the complainants are willing to settle. They are wanting to seek justice beyond just monetary compensation.
In court testimony with all of its associated depositions...........public revelations.Mo Money???