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Watson’s a top 5 qb. Do you agree?
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Hey!!! I thought this was suppose to be the one positive vibrations thread on this forum? Back to the topic:
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Texansballer74
The Marine
I was wondering when they were going to evaluate/ analysis that series in which he ran that touchdown on. Can they elaborate on that for a few pages. Let’s expound on the good and the bad.
It's not second guessing, 0 pts in the 2nd half, Sacked for a safety when he should have gotten rid of the ball. A fumble that DW4 said he should have caught etc ..
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
Definition of second-guess
transitive verb
1: to criticize or question actions or decisions of (someone) often after the results of those actions or decisions are known
A Monday morning quarterback is someone who second-guesses a decision someone else has made after the event is finished. A Monday morning quarterback criticizes from the comfort of 20/20 hindsight. The term comes from the fact that most American football games are played on Sunday, and it is easy to criticize a quarterback’s decisions in the heat of the moment from the vantage point twelve or more hours after the football game has ended. Monday morning quarterback is a pejorative term, first used by Barry Wood, the quarterback of the Harvard football team, in a speech at a meeting of the New England Association of Colleges and Secondary Schools, in 1931.
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Again , its not grief over the play at all - It was shown as an example and that there were many others similar.
I'm not laying the result of that play on him at all - its the protection that broke down but he did have an opportunity to let it fly to an open player. That was the theme of just about every time he was pressured yesterday - he had a shorter route to take and passed on the opportunity.
Its an example of the belief in his own ability to escape that pressure and make that downfield throw - only that time he couldn't.
Quite often this is going to work out because of how slippery he is in the pocket .... but when the defense plays sound technique across the front , he's not likely to escape.
This is exactly what teams have been doing to him since the Carolina game last season and that was a picture perfect example of executing it.
You don't think he saw the protection breaking down around him ? That rusher is literally right in front of him with 6 yards to cover and is all but unblocked.
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
Only it's not an example. If you want an example of a play that demonstrates Watson's "belief in his own ability to escape that pressure and make that downfield throw," then that safety is not a good example. You need to select a different example.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I don't want his eyes down, looking at the protection. I want his eyes looking at his receivers, especially when he's just at the top of his drop.
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
Man, I don't know what he's talking about. How do you see a defensive end coming from your right when your head is turned to the left? It's not even a situation where you expect A-gap pressure. When a blocking assignment gets missed, the result is nearly always a sack. It doesn't matter who the QB is.
He wanted Watson to stand tall and deliver in that situation, but what he's not understanding is that Brady/Manning/Montana are anticipating that pressure through their pre-snap read. Obviously, you are not anticipating a whiff by an offensive lineman. They are incomparable situations.
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
You actually do see it very often. This is a perfect example of a 3-step drop and throw on a 5-yard out route.
I want him to understand his feet are in the end zone. I want him to anticipate the LBs vacating the middle of the field. I want him to think about getting room for the punter first & converting the 3rd down second.
Maybe Kelly told him to think about converting 1st. Maybe Kelly told him he can trust his protection this time. Maybe Martin told him he was going to try extra special hard...
But I can't remember the last time I saw a QB not try to get the ball out quick when he was throwing from his end zone.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Clowney, then what?
OG,TE,WR, OT, DT,DE, OLB,ILB,CB,S,QB, K, and coaches....did i leave anything out.
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every qb he mentioned in that post is a absolute failure and isn't close to what Watson is..
I certainly don't take my quarterback advice from him.
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
Okay. So we're talking about a guy who won a state championship in Georgia HS football. Received a full scholarship to Clemson his freshman year. Won the Davy O'Brien award twice. Finished 2nd in Heisman voting. Won a national championship. Got drafted in the 1st Round. Sits currently at No. 2 and 4, respectively, on the lists for most passing yards and highest passer rating this season. But despite all this, you believe he does not understand his feet are in the end zone, and that he does not anticipate LBs vacating the middle of the field?
Kelly doesn't have to say "Deshaun, you can trust your protection this time" because he called a play that required Watson to take 5 steps on his drop, which by definition means there has to be trust in the protection.
LOL. I can.
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
Aaron Rodgers is clearly not cut out to be a Texan QB. I want a QB who understands his feet are in the end zone. I want a QB who realizes the pressure is on and makes the smart decision to throw the ball away. Not the dumb decision to take a sack. Totally inexcusable.
0 pts in the 2nd half and this isn't an isolated situation.
But the QB bears no responsibility.
Ok
dream_team
Hall of Fame
That's the responsibility of the play caller IMO. Call a play that's designed to get the ball out quick.
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
No. Saying with absolutely certainty, as you are, that Watson SHOULD have thrown the ball on the safety is second-guessing.
Blaming Watson for not recovering the ball is just ridiculous. And your "But Watson blamed himself" argument is even more ridiculous since a good leader will always take blame for things that aren't necessarily his fault. I don't really even see "fault" here. Bad snaps are one of those things that happen. Tough luck. Move on.
Ok, he agreed with taking Clowney 1st overall and then trading back up and taking Bortles... but as the draft got closer, it was Texian pounding the table to take Bortles 1st overall
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
But that play likely would have only picked up 6-7 yards in a situation where you needed 11. Then there'd be howls of "KELLY AND WATSON, WHY ARE WE THROWING THE BALL A FULL 5 YARDS SHORT OF THE FIRST DOWN MARKER?!?!?"
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
Yep! If a running play was called and got blown up for a safety, all the talk would be about DJ sucking
No one thought Bortles would go high in the first
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
The interesting thing about you is that you demand specific responses to questions you ask. For example, you badgered one poster for pages about the amount of blame that should be assigned to Watson for the losses this season. Yet when we are addressing a specific point--whether it is the fact that Watson has improved upon weaknesses identified earlier in his career (which was the case here) or whether Watson should throw the ball before he has even had a chance to take a hitch step on a 5-step drop--you deflect and provide unrelated and unspecific responses like "0 pts in the 2nd half."
So again, I will ask you. At what point in Watson's drop should the ball have come out of his hand? Keep in mind that a 5-step drop is five steps, plus two small hitch steps, plus the throw, all while your hips and feet are aligned with the target. Not to mention having a clear throwing lane.
Badgers?
0 pts in the 2nd half
What's wrong like processing quickly hasn't really improved. Feel free to disagree with me, but the failure to process quickly and understand where he is on the field and things like knowing where the pressure is coming from is something DW4 still needs to improve on in yr 4. The fumble (While it was a bad snap, he caught many like them throughout the game) was caused because DW4 was reading the DE before he got the snap. With the game on the line these mistakes are costing the Houston Watson's games.
Yep, no way
CB quoted a post with you agreeing with JCTexan about trading back in for Bortles
I said it at the time. I'm blaming him for not securing the ball 1st then reading the DE instead of what he did. The not recovering the ball had nothing to do with anything, although now that you mention this if he had just fallen on the ball instead of trying to pick it up/hero ball then the Texans would have lived to see another play. You still cant get over the fact that DW4 said he should've caught the snap and trying to explain that away is well rather weak.
Read his post... I really don't GAS
Decim8
Veteran
Jimmy G hasn't been too great this year though.
But agree to disagree steelb cause I think he has improved from his first year. Imo He's improved in the pocket and hes actually takes what the defense gives him which was what I was critical of him earlier in his career. All this while not having anything that resembles a running game is amazing to me. Just imagine if the opposing team had to respect our running game.....
To say that he hasn't improved at all is just wrong
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
DW4 is good
And he had a sh1tty coach
It can only get better
And he had a sh1tty coach
It can only get better
As a poster who too frequently falls into these illogical, unproductive rabbit holes, I recommend the ignore feature or return to your lurking ways. Either one would be better than the expected response.
He's improved somewhat with his anticipation.
Yes.
So you bust my chops for posting a still shot on Watson's fourth step but you post this to support your point.
Hard to see what Rodgers saw on that play 4 years ago. But it looks like he pulled it down because he didn't like something in coverage. A little different than the wide open crossing TE we're talking about.
But whatever dude. You're right. Next time we're backed up like that I won't expect Watson to do anything different. Hopefully is protection holds up, otherwise he's jag.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Ok so there's nothing wrong with DW4. Kid's Jesus with cleats.
He just needs people around him that actually understand football
OB was an effin idiot
We see that now
That oline coach? Worse than OB
And let's not talk GM OB
Can you get another angle on that showing the wide open TE streaking across the middle?
Kinda like Akins in the middle of the field?
None of what's right with Watson was shaped by O'Brien. Instincts, talent and experience is what has made him. Watson saved O'Brien's job in 2017. No one could save Billy Oh in 2020.
These threads are on auto pilot. "Watson is not good enough. He made at least 2 mistakes in the game." Rinse and repeat. Forget that he was about to single-handedly win the game driving down the field with scrubs. Laughable.
There were more than 2 mistakes.
First we're arguing things that were never said.
Now we've progressed to arguing things that might have been said.
How did you ever manage to lurk here for years without ever saying nothing?
You should work for Disney. I don't mean "work for" work for, I know you do your own thing. But they pay a lot of money for fiction. I'm sure they'd love you.
Is it fiction that DW4 himself said he should've caught the snap?
This is all part of the learning process.
Its fiction that he was reading the DE before securing the ball.
Its fiction that he tried to pick it up & not try to fall on it.
Both pure figments of what you want to believe.
You can probably smell the fresh cut grass too, huh?
Reality over here, what steelbtexan sees over there.