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Hey!!! I thought this was suppose to be the one positive vibrations thread on this forum? Back to the topic:
Indianapolis Colts at Houston Texans 2020 REG 13 - Game Center (nfl.com)
It's not about being zealous. It's rightly pointing out invalid criticism and ridiculous second-guessing.
It's not second guessing, 0 pts in the 2nd half, Sacked for a safety when he should have gotten rid of the ball. A fumble that DW4 said he should have caught etc ..
Man, all this grief over a ducking touchback sack. How about Fairbairn missing another FG that he had no reason missing....negates the TB and adds +1. Martin's horrible snap blew another 6 or 7 points at the end of the game......unfortunately, that 1 point lead would've been in the hands of the defense to protect, anyone feel comfortable with that knowing this defense' ability to protect leads?
It's a 4 man pass rush w/ 6 blockers. Why should DW look to get rid of the ball asap, even if it means short of the 1st? Are you suggesting DW shouldn't be trusting his protection?
Its an example of the belief in his own ability to escape that pressure and make that downfield throw - only that time he couldn't.
You don't think he saw the protection breaking down around him ? That rusher is literally right in front of him with 6 yards to cover and is all but unblocked.
I don't want his eyes down, looking at the protection. I want his eyes looking at his receivers, especially when he's just at the top of his drop.
Its not very often you see Watson hit the top of his drop and let it fly ...
He wanted Watson to stand tall and deliver in that situation, but what he's not understanding is that Brady/Manning/Montana are anticipating that pressure through their pre-snap read. Obviously, you are not anticipating a whiff by an offensive lineman. They a
No, that was Texian
I want him to understand his feet are in the end zone. I want him to anticipate the LBs vacating the middle of the field. I want him to think about getting room for the punter first & converting the 3rd down second.
Maybe Kelly told him he can trust his protection this time.
But I can't remember the last time I saw a QB not try to get the ball out quick when he was throwing from his end zone.
Definition of second-guess
transitive verb
1: to criticize or question actions or decisions of (someone) often after the results of those actions or decisions are known
A Monday morning quarterback is someone who second-guesses a decision someone else has made after the event is finished. A Monday morning quarterback criticizes from the comfort of 20/20 hindsight. The term comes from the fact that most American football games are played on Sunday, and it is easy to criticize a quarterback’s decisions in the heat of the moment from the vantage point twelve or more hours after the football game has ended. Monday morning quarterback is a pejorative term, first used by Barry Wood, the quarterback of the Harvard football team, in a speech at a meeting of the New England Association of Colleges and Secondary Schools, in 1931.
Except this isn't true at all. I posted a video of Sam Gold discussing this exact topic. I've even bookmarked it for you.
And in case you don't have time to watch it, here is what he says:
He's really gotten more consistent at shifting the pocket with precise footwork on his throws. This has led to greater velocity. It has also led to greater accuracy as well. With a solid base on his throws, he has improved on consistently hitting all three levels of the field. Now sometimes he'll throw behind a receiver, but generally speaking, he's still pretty accurate.
Quick question:
What if Watson did stand tall in the pocket on that play, took the massive hit and gotten injured badly . Let’s say some fractured ribs or something that would’ve sidelined him for the remainder of the season. What would you gents say then? Why didn’t he protect himself right? He’s too injury prone! Hero ball!
I want him to understand his feet are in the end zone. I want him to anticipate the LBs vacating the middle of the field. I want him to think about getting room for the punter first & converting the 3rd down second.
Maybe Kelly told him to think about converting 1st. Maybe Kelly told him he can trust his protection this time. Maybe Martin told him he was going to try extra special hard...
But I can't remember the last time I saw a QB not try to get the ball out quick when he was throwing from his end zone.
A guy fumbling the ball is now 2nd guessing
Smdh
Clowney, then what?
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every qb he mentioned in that post is a absolute failure and isn't close to what Watson is..
I certainly don't take my quarterback advice from him.
That's the responsibility of the play caller IMO. Call a play that's designed to get the ball out quick.
Ok, he agreed with taking Clowney 1st overall and then trading back up and taking Bortles... but as the draft got closer, it was Texian pounding the table to take Bortles 1st overall
That's the responsibility of the play caller IMO. Call a play that's designed to get the ball out quick.
No way! LOL.
0 pts in the 2nd half and this isn't an isolated situation.
But the QB bears no responsibility.
Ok
The interesting thing about you is that you demand specific responses to questions you ask. For example, you badgered one poster for pages about the amount of blame that should be assigned to Watson for the losses this season. Yet when we are addressing a specific point--whether it is the fact that Watson has improved upon weaknesses identified earlier in his career (which was the case here) or whether Watson should throw the ball before he has even had a chance to take a hitch step on a 5-step drop--you deflect and provide unrelated and unspecific responses like "0 pts in the 2nd half."
So again, I will ask you. At what point in Watson's drop should the ball have come out of his hand? Keep in mind that a 5-step drop is five steps, plus two small hitch steps, plus the throw, all while your hips and feet are aligned with the target. Not to mention having a clear throwing lane.
Ok, he agreed with taking Clowney 1st overall and then trading back up and taking Bortles... but as the draft got closer, it was Texian pounding the table to take Bortles 1st overall
No way! LOL.
But that play likely would have only picked up 6-7 yards in a situation where you needed 11. Then there'd be howls of "KELLY AND WATSON, WHY ARE WE THROWING THE BALL A FULL 5 YARDS SHORT OF THE FIRST DOWN MARKER?!?!?"
Nope
I wanted them to trade back into the bottom of the 1st for Jimmy G.
No. Saying with absolutely certainty, as you are, that Watson SHOULD have thrown the ball on the safety is second-guessing.
Blaming Watson for not recovering the ball is just ridiculous. And your "But Watson blamed himself" argument is even more ridiculous since a good leader will always take blame for things that aren't necessarily his fault. I don't really even see "fault" here. Bad snaps are one of those things that happen. Tough luck. Move on.
CB quoted a post with you agreeing with JCTexan about trading back in for Bortles
That was along time ago and I dont remember that. I may have put it in 1 mock, probably as a way to spur conversation with Texian in a draft thread. However I think you know Jimmy G was always my guy.
Read his post... I really don't GAS
Jimmy G hasn't been too great this year though.Nope
I wanted them to trade back into the bottom of the 1st for Jimmy G.
As a poster who too frequently falls into these illogical, unproductive rabbit holes, I recommend the ignore feature or return to your lurking ways. Either one would be better than the expected response.The interesting thing about you is that you demand specific responses to questions you ask. For example, you badgered one poster for pages about the amount of blame that should be assigned to Watson for the losses this season. Yet when we are addressing a specific point--whether it is the fact that Watson has improved upon weaknesses identified earlier in his career (which was the case here) or whether Watson should throw the ball before he has even had a chance to take a hitch step on a 5-step drop--you deflect and provide unrelated and unspecific responses like "0 pts in the 2nd half."
So again, I will ask you. At what point in Watson's drop should the ball have come out of his hand? Keep in mind that a 5-step drop is five steps, plus two small hitch steps, plus the throw, all while your hips and feet are aligned with the target. Not to mention having a clear throwing lane.
Jimmy G hasn't been too great this year though.
But agree to disagree steelb cause I think he has improved from his first year. Imo He's improved in the pocket and hes actually takes what the defense gives him which was what I was critical of him earlier in his career. All this while not having anything that resembles a running game is amazing to me. Just imagine if the opposing team had to respect our running game.....
To say that he hasn't improved at all is just wrong
DW4 is good
And he had a sh1tty coach
It can only get better
Yes.But despite all this, you believe he does not understand his feet are in the end zone, and that he does not anticipate LBs vacating the middle of the field?
So you bust my chops for posting a still shot on Watson's fourth step but you post this to support your point.LOL. I can.
Ok so there's nothing wrong with DW4. Kid's Jesus with cleats.Hope you're right.
All of what's wrong with DW4 wasn't on BOB though.
Can you get another angle on that showing the wide open TE streaking across the middle?Aaron Rodgers is clearly not cut out to be a Texan QB. I want a QB who understands his feet are in the end zone. I want a QB who realizes the pressure is on and makes the smart decision to throw the ball away. Not the dumb decision to take a sack. Totally inexcusable.
Kinda like Akins in the middle of the field?That's the responsibility of the play caller IMO. Call a play that's designed to get the ball out quick.
None of what's right with Watson was shaped by O'Brien. Instincts, talent and experience is what has made him. Watson saved O'Brien's job in 2017. No one could save Billy Oh in 2020.All of what's wrong with DW4 wasn't on BOB though.
None of what's right with Watson was shaped by O'Brien. Instincts, talent and experience is what has made him. Watson saved O'Brien's job in 2017. No one could save Billy Oh in 2020.
These threads are on auto pilot. "Watson is not good enough. He made at least 2 mistakes in the game." Rinse and repeat. Forget that he was about to single-handedly win the game driving down the field with scrubs. Laughable.
But that play likely would have only picked up 6-7 yards in a situation where you needed 11. Then there'd be howls of "KELLY AND WATSON, WHY ARE WE THROWING THE BALL A FULL 5 YARDS SHORT OF THE FIRST DOWN MARKER?!?!?"
But DJ does sukYep! If a running play was called and got blown up for a safety, all the talk would be about DJ sucking
You should work for Disney. I don't mean "work for" work for, I know you do your own thing. But they pay a lot of money for fiction. I'm sure they'd love you.I said it at the time. I'm blaming him for not securing the ball 1st then reading the DE instead of what he did. The not recovering the ball had nothing to do with anything, although now that you mention this if he had just fallen on the ball instead of trying to pick it up/hero ball then the Texans would have lived to see another play. You still cant get over the fact that DW4 said he should've caught the snap and trying to explain that away is well rather weak.
You should work for Disney. I don't mean "work for" work for, I know you do your own thing. But they pay a lot of money for fiction. I'm sure they'd love you.
Its fiction that he was reading the DE before securing the ball.Is it fiction that DW4 himself said he should've caught the snap?
This is all part of the learning process.