Nobody said he was but he is the face of this franchise. So he’s going to have a say whether you like it or not.
What does having to like it or not have to do with this?
How about playing well against top tier competition and winning games.
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Nobody said he was but he is the face of this franchise. So he’s going to have a say whether you like it or not.
Watson is NOT Brady
Watson is NOT Brady. N
Let's get it straight, Watson is NOT Brady. He is not even in the same zip code as Brady. You have Brady, Brees, Rogers and Big Ben. The last of the multiple MVP, SB Champion winning and HOF bound QBs. Then you have Mahomes, Jackson and Wentz who are right on the cusp of top QB in the league talk and SB winner/MVP. Then you have a Watson and others. Make no mistake he is good, but he is not yet there.
What does having to like it or not have to do with this?
How about playing well against top tier competition and winning games.
Is there even a team around Watson that should ensure a top shelf performance against top tier teams? Man, you’ve got to take the singular filter off the spot light and look at the whole picture. This team sucks arse and you’re still trying to critique the QB exclusively. Your credibility is slowly fizzling out in the same manner in which you describe Watson’s status.
I just got finished watching the GOAT pop a whopping 40.2 QBR, while tossing 3 INT and 0 TD against the Saints in Tampa Bay. It happens to the best of them but boy was it ugly.
Is there even a team around Watson that should ensure a top shelf performance against top tier teams? Man, you’ve got to take the singular filter off the spot light and look at the whole picture. This team sucks arse and you’re still trying to critique the QB exclusively. Your credibility is slowly fizzling out in the same manner in which you describe Watson’s status.
I just got finished watching the GOAT pop a whopping 40.2 QBR, while tossing 3 INT and 0 TD against the Saints in Tampa Bay. It happens to the best of them but boy was it ugly.
I like how y'all compare Brady to DW4 on one hand and on the other say you cant compare DW4 to Brady on the other hand.
DW4 was ok against a really crappy defense. Nothing more or less.
I did not compare but I made a stand alone observation. Until the Texans become the prime time Patriots there will never be a comparison warranted. That will probably keep Watson from ever having to be compared to TB....unless someone out there thinks the current brain trust can duplicate NE’s success.
Brother he knows you wasn’t comparing them like that. That’s just an escape mechanism he uses whenever he’s cornered. Lol
An observation is now an escape mechanism?
Ok
Brady has 1-2 bad games a year and plays his best in the playoffs.
Let me know when DW4 becomes close to as consistent as Brady.
Brady has had some terrible playoffs games too. Ask the Giants who beat them twice in the Super Bowl and the Eagles who spanked that ash a few years ago.
Brady has always struggled with elite defenses or stout front sevens. The Saints got after him and forced three interceptions and a passer rating in the 40’s.
#Texans QB @deshaunwatson joins Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Steve Young and Peyton Manning (twice) as the only five players with at least 275 passing yards & a 105 passer rating in five consecutive games in a season in NFL history
Brady has had some terrible playoffs games too. Ask the Giants who beat them twice in the Super Bowl and the Eagles who spanked that ash a few years ago.
Brady has always struggled with elite defenses or stout front sevens. The Saints got after him and forced three interceptions and a passer rating in the 40’s.
An observation is now an escape mechanism?
Ok
Brady has 1-2 bad games a year and plays his best in the playoffs.
Let me know when DW4 becomes close to as consistent as Brady.
Got a link for this?
You need to go back and look at the passing record's Brady set in that SB against the Eagles.
Against the NYG's he would have had 2 more SB's if 1. One of the all time great catches hadn't been made. 2. Weller had caught the ball.
But you're right all QBs struggle with pressure, particularly from up the middle.
BTW, I'm going to start holding DW4 to the same standards you're holding Brady too. Starting with in yr 4 Brady had a ring. Where's DW4'S ring? Will he ever get a ring? I don't think so, but with his handpicked HC there should be no more excuses. But I'm sure there will be regardless of how things turn out.
Exactly. And whoever posted that Watson hit some mile stone that Rogers, Manning and Brees (I think that was it) are the only ones that have done it. Ah... Rogers, Brees and Manning all have League MVPs, SB wins, SB MVP titles... So he IS NOT on that level!
Vick had crazy stats, McNabb and Cunningham had amazing stats. But how many SB trips did they make? 1...by McNabb it was a loss.
Need we go on...
Yeah, let's go on with some reality. How about we stick Rogers, Brees and Manning with the same shite show Watson has been blessed with.
First up Rogers......GB the team did go through some bad periods and it 100% affected Rogers. Rogers playing for the Texans from 2017 to 2020 is the same Rogers who was QB'ing the bad GB teams.....only the results would be worse.
Next up Brees......Brees has also had some highs and some lows. Brees didn't become Brees until he got to New Orleans where a young but smart HC knew how to modify his offense around his QB's skill-set. Along the way, Brees has certainly had some clunkers in big games but his lofty stats and 1 SB win keeps everything on the positive. Brees with the Texans would be a death wish b/c the way defensive fronts have destroyed the Texans OL's at will.....it would've converted Brees to shorter version of David Carr in a hurry.
Finally we come to Manning.....Manning certainly didn't look like the Manning we came to know until the Colts finally built a team around him. Before that team arrived, he was an interception machine, looking almost inept at the position at times. Thing is, everyone knew he could be great but not on a team that was as bad as these Colts at the time. Colts got better and miraculously so did Manning. Manning with this Texans team is same young Manning with the bad Colts.
Personally, I think they all could put up similar numbers as Watson has with these crappy teams but they didn't never hit these numbers with their crappy teams. I don't like to compare as much as I like to put the shoe on the other foot.......and this is my assessment.
I don't disagree with what you are saying here ....
But the perception is Watson is better than all the QB's we've had prior ..... Yet the results are pretty much identical and those other QB's had OL problems , and the same crap coaching & playcalling since 2014. Results are .... what they are. Watson hasn't really moved the needle in that aspect.
Reality is different from the perception ...
I don't disagree with what you are saying here ....
But the perception is Watson is better than all the QB's we've had prior ..... Yet the results are pretty much identical and those other QB's had OL problems , and the same crap coaching & playcalling since 2014. Results are .... what they are. Watson hasn't really moved the needle in that aspect.
The perception doesn't match reality ...
Watson is the most qualified of the lotWhat winning franchise has on their GM/HC search committee,
1. Cleyus
2. A preacher man
3. A beat writer
4. Their QB
SMDH
No it is not the perception here. You really needs to stop acting like this because some members don’t agree with you.
Wow
My friend I believe you have blinders on. We don’t have the defense or the run games those other QBs had.But the perception is Watson is better than all the QB's we've had prior .....
My friend I believe you have blinders on. We don’t have the defense or the run games those other QBs had.
I agree Watson is not as good as many claim here. But he is in no way reclamation project.
The world may never knowWould he be much better if he had a better play caller, offensive line, and better running game?
The world may never know
Brother he knows you wasn’t comparing them like that. That’s just an escape mechanism he uses whenever he’s cornered. Lol
But who is claiming he’s the best? Isn’t he not a top 10-12 quarterback in this league? Would he be much better if he had a better play caller, offensive line, and better running game?
You had me until you said Wentz.....injuries have taken on toll on him lately. Mahomes is already better than Ben and Brees imo. It's mahomes Wilson and rogers in any order for meWatson is NOT Brady
Watson is NOT Brady. N
Let's get it straight, Watson is NOT Brady. He is not even in the same zip code as Brady. You have Brady, Brees, Rogers and Big Ben. The last of the multiple MVP, SB Champion winning and HOF bound QBs. Then you have Mahomes, Jackson and Wentz who are right on the cusp of top QB in the league talk and SB winner/MVP. Then you have a Watson and others. Make no mistake he is good, but he is not yet there.
I still have hopes warring will be that guyWhat QB wouldn't be much better with all of these things?
What I think he needs to be more successful is a dominate TE. A great TE opens up so many things.
Or we will find out if we land a good GM and HC.
But as of right now and under the terrible circumstances /dysfunctional crap he had work with. I would say he has performed pretty darn good.
You had me until you said Wentz.....injuries have taken on toll on him lately. Mahomes is already better than Ben and Brees imo. It's mahomes Wilson and rogers in any order for me
I'd actually put Josh Allen ahead of the rookies and possibly Ben, he's a baller imo.Followed by Brady/Ben and the rookies Burrow/Herbert.
I'd actually put Josh Allen ahead of the rookies and possibly Ben, he's a baller imo.
As for the rookies, still early days for them both, wait til the defenses have a few more game tapes and see how they respond, but they do look promising.
So if DW4 doesn't play well under the new regime it will be because the new GM/HC wasn't good enough even though DW4's on the hiring committee?
Watson is the most qualified of the lot
Bwhahaha dude you really needs to stop this crazy stuff. It’s strange to me on how you quickly gave O’Brien a pass and then gave him more time because you thought Rick Smith was the problem. Why doesn’t Watson get the same love?
So if DW4 doesn't play well under the new regime it will be because the new GM/HC wasn't good enough even though DW4's on the hiring committee?
Since we're playing the game of, "what if's".......what if the GM and HC are better than expected and the final result was getting to see Watson hit all the right notes on gameday while becoming a top QB many of us have predicted he would be once the other areas of the team were finally improved.
You keep hedging your bet in different threads. You clearly are rooting for him to fail and criticize him at every turn, regardless of the facts. You are as biased as they come.I will be the happiest fan of them all, because this means there will be Lombardi's down on Kirby. It's obvious some think I'm rooting for DW4 to fail and that couldn't be the farthest thing from the truth.
You keep hedging your bet in different threads. You clearly are rooting for him to fail and criticize him at every turn, regardless of the facts. You are as biased as they come.
Without the team being made better, I've had little hope that the needle was going to move. The team is so much more than just a QB. One thing I know for certain......there aren't many Texans fans crying for the return of any of the prior QB's over Watson. So before I stick a final grade on Watson, I'll keep grading the organization and coaching staff first and foremost.
53.6 QBR 63.3% completion
59.4% completion 66QBR
What is this called? Minus an INT the Jags QB played nearly as good as Watson and his % complete is better... that's not good.
So yes, I want him to get better. Yet so far he has not shown anything that says he is. So,if a new HC and system come in and we get the same thing we have been. How long until you say Watson is not working? Is it games or seasons?
You keep hedging your bet in different threads. You clearly are rooting for him to fail and criticize him at every turn, regardless of the facts. You are as biased as they come.
I will admit it I would take 12 win Schaub over Watson. He could read a D and he would throw it away. He is not as athletic as Watson, but he was pretty good at the same things Watson is NOT good at (throwing ball away, reading D).
Hold on amazing you can’t be talking like that around here. Lol
Steel is 100% accurate with his opinion about Watson.
I think we may have the worst position coaching in the league. Until that is fixed and upgraded, we will see playmakers make plays and a lot of WTF was that. The only coach that did more with less was Weaver and the DL, and now that sucks too. So I see all this other stuff as just noise until this is corrected. Some of the OL play with that talent is embarrassing
I will admit it I would take 12 win Schaub over Watson. He could read a D and he would throw it away.