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Remember when the bears thought trubisky was better than mahomes and Watson. It's the draft. Its projections.
I guess our top two picks are solid picks. Internet says so.
Has our staff developed a draft pick?
We will see. At least they invested in front 7
And what of them?Reader was developed.
Cunningham/McKinney/Mercilus/Reid
Upon further revisiting and reviewing this thread and the comments- I give the Texans an F. You’ve all convinced me.
And what of them?
They are all just OK. Cunningham is the only one among them I see consistent improvement.They've been developed by the Texans.
I was responding to his post.
They are all just OK. Cunningham is the only one among them I see consistent improvement.
The Texans organization, under O’Brien, isn’t a place where NFL players make “the leap”. Their potential is capped here.
If I were to judge the draft in winner/loser terms only I'd put the Texans in the loser category. They probably fell behind in the AFC South which may be a blessing in disguise for some of us because it appears they only thing a HC has to do to keep his job with the Texans is not finish dead last in the AFC South. Well, another off season like this one...
The Texans landed a rotational defensive lineman in this draft and a LB with red flag injury concerns. And O'Brien gained someone who can help him with Zoom when picking John Reid. Smart kid but he's not long for the NFL. Coulter will be in the doghouse from day one.
It's a D grade for me.
I value talent and the Texans have definitely upgraded their talent level..
The front 7 on defense should be much better this yr and the offense should be more potent.
I'm still worried about the secondary. Any secondary that Hargreaves/L. Jo play a significant amount of time in, is a cause for worry.
I'm hoping they can pickup a vet CB like Ryan on a 1 yr deal now that the draft is over and compensatory picks are no longer involved.
BTW they added 2 to 4 of the cheap young guys you're asking for.
Front 7 MUCH better? We lost Reader, but gained Jernigan, Blacklock & Greenard. We got deeper, but I don't know about better.
Overall, we could have had a better draft, but BOB did a lot better than I was expecting from him. On an overall scale, I would give us a B, for BOB I would give him an A.
Grades always change after you can judge them playing in the NFL. The point of the post-draft grade is to judge how you think we did "on the face of things" or addressing needs. Which is sorta the point of the grades. I am sure there will be a "mid-season grades" thread as well.No grade. TBD (to be determined)
Seems every year the rookies end up on IR with some mysterious injury and don't play much if any. Until they actually contribute, play in games there is no way to grade anyone. They may look good on the highlight vids, but that is college, the NFL is a whole new ball game, a much higher level of play.
No grade. TBD (to be determined)
Seems every year the rookies end up on IR with some mysterious injury and don't play much if any. Until they actually contribute, play in games there is no way to grade anyone. They may look good on the highlight vids, but that is college, the NFL is a whole new ball game, a much higher level of play.
Absolutely. Just like every season, there are post-draft grades, and mid-season grades.On paper....a solid B+. On the field will require a new grade.
LOL. This was definitely not our best draft, but in no way was it an "F".F
Houston Texans: Hard to recall a draft so extensively leveraged to obtain veterans. Newly anointed (but long-acting) GM Bill O'Brien shipped out most of his best picks for players like newly extended Tunsil – he'll cost another first-rounder plus a second in 2021, too – WR Brandin Cooks, CB Gareon Conley and RB Duke Johnson. Tunsil is a nice player, but his price was way too high. The others are eminently replaceable. And to also deal Jadeveon Clowney, basically for a third-rounder, while settling for a second-rounder and RB David Johnson in exchange for a transcendent talent like Hopkins? Brutal. O'Brien's first official selection as GM was TCU DT Ross Blacklock at No. 40, which actually seems like pretty solid value. But in sum, this feels like a staggering net loss.
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https://www.usatoday.com/
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Ouch! In a dubious note of distinction the USA guys handed out to O'Brien their only F grade of the 2020 Draft.
F
Houston Texans: Hard to recall a draft so extensively leveraged to obtain veterans. Newly anointed (but long-acting) GM Bill O'Brien shipped out most of his best picks for players like newly extended Tunsil – he'll cost another first-rounder plus a second in 2021, too – WR Brandin Cooks, CB Gareon Conley and RB Duke Johnson. Tunsil is a nice player, but his price was way too high. The others are eminently replaceable. And to also deal Jadeveon Clowney, basically for a third-rounder, while settling for a second-rounder and RB David Johnson in exchange for a transcendent talent like Hopkins? Brutal. O'Brien's first official selection as GM was TCU DT Ross Blacklock at No. 40, which actually seems like pretty solid value. But in sum, this feels like a staggering net loss.
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https://www.usatoday.com/
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Ouch! In a dubious note of distinction the USA guys handed out to O'Brien their only F grade of the 2020 Draft.
Yes, that's right. The graded the off-season rather than just the draft. The Hopkins trade should be firmly on everyone's mind as an epic disaster, but it's not technically part of the draft.He’s not grading the draft he’s giving his grade on OB as a GM. By the standards he is judging it by, Tunsil being to high and Clowney being to low, Texans were graded an F before the draft even started.
Hopefully you will need to figure out how to change your user name soon as it will no longer be applicable.Yes, that's right. The graded the off-season rather than just the draft. The Hopkins trade should be firmly on everyone's mind as an epic disaster, but it's not technically part of the draft.
I'd give the draft a B in terms of the return they got for the picks they had available.
The cynic in me says that while they did an okay job of addressing some needs such as DL, OLB, CB, OT depth and WR, they failed spectacularly in filling the true areas of need: HC, GM, OC, Owner.
Right...not an exciting draft by any means. I like Blaclock where he landed. Other than that it was kind of meh.A reasonably solid draft. Nothing spectacular, but OK. A solid B over all.
Reader was developed.
Cunningham/McKinney/Mercilus/Reid
Yes.On paper....a solid B+. On the field will require a new grade.
How in the world did the eagles nor the packers get one? Their drafts were terrible lolF
Houston Texans: Hard to recall a draft so extensively leveraged to obtain veterans. Newly anointed (but long-acting) GM Bill O'Brien shipped out most of his best picks for players like newly extended Tunsil – he'll cost another first-rounder plus a second in 2021, too – WR Brandin Cooks, CB Gareon Conley and RB Duke Johnson. Tunsil is a nice player, but his price was way too high. The others are eminently replaceable. And to also deal Jadeveon Clowney, basically for a third-rounder, while settling for a second-rounder and RB David Johnson in exchange for a transcendent talent like Hopkins? Brutal. O'Brien's first official selection as GM was TCU DT Ross Blacklock at No. 40, which actually seems like pretty solid value. But in sum, this feels like a staggering net loss.
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https://www.usatoday.com/
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Ouch! In a dubious note of distinction the USA guys handed out to O'Brien their only F grade of the 2020 Draft.
F
Houston Texans: Hard to recall a draft so extensively leveraged to obtain veterans. Newly anointed (but long-acting) GM Bill O'Brien shipped out most of his best picks for players like newly extended Tunsil – he'll cost another first-rounder plus a second in 2021, too – WR Brandin Cooks, CB Gareon Conley and RB Duke Johnson. Tunsil is a nice player, but his price was way too high. The others are eminently replaceable. And to also deal Jadeveon Clowney, basically for a third-rounder, while settling for a second-rounder and RB David Johnson in exchange for a transcendent talent like Hopkins? Brutal. O'Brien's first official selection as GM was TCU DT Ross Blacklock at No. 40, which actually seems like pretty solid value. But in sum, this feels like a staggering net loss.
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https://www.usatoday.com/
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Ouch! In a dubious note of distinction the USA guys handed out to O'Brien their only F grade of the 2020 Draft.
How in the world did the eagles nor the packers get one? Their drafts were terrible lol
2.40 - Blacklock was where value and need merged. I didn't spend much time considering Blacklock at this pick. because I felt he would be off the board in the 1st. Blacklock was considered the #3 DT in the draft (and he was the 3rd DT selected). Over the past 10 drafts, the #3 DT went at pick 1.25. The Texans have needed an interior pass rusher for some time. Hopefully, this is the guy. Grade A.
3.90 - Greenard was another pick where value and need met. Not the speed rusher I was hoping for. But, a 3 down OLB that can find his way to the QB. There were a couple of pass rush specialists that could be found later. Not a guy that could play 50%+ of the snaps, like Greenard. Grade B+.
4.126 - First, A++ for turning 4.111 into two 4th round picks. I like the Heck pick as much as any the Texans have taken. Heck is not a stud starting OT. He would have been off the board 100 picks earlier if he were. He is a 3 year starter at a power conference with experience on both sides. Not every OT can play on both sides. Heck has gone against pass rushers like Chubb, Ferrell, Burns, and Ejiofor and held his own. Maybe even more than QB, backup tackle is the most important reserve on a NFL team. This was a need pick, and the Texans again found value. A+.
4.141 - While undersized for a CB playing on the outside, Reid has excellent measurables for a nickel corner playing the slot. Started 40 games in the Big 10, and had good games against 1st rounders DJ Moore and Parris Campbell. As ready to step in and play as any other Texans draft pick. A-.
5.176 - The Texans did take a small school project in underclassman WR Isiah Coulter. Coulter had a very good junior year, along with a nice showing at the combine. Has the looks of a outside receiver at 6'2 190lbs. No special teams experience means that barring injury, Coulter will see little playing time. But with the injury history of the Texans WR corps, Coulter could see more snaps than the Texans hope. With the uncertainty regarding the futures of Fuller, Stills, and even Cooks, Coulter should get his chance in 2021. B-.
What could have been, 2.57 - Had O'Brien not dealt this pick, the Texans could have selected Baylor WR Denzel Mims. While I have questioned Mims' functionality has an all around receiver, no one has questioned his ability as a threat downfield. Mims has Fuller type speed matched with the size that is absent on the Texans roster. Would Mims have equaled the production of Cooks in 2020? Maybe. Maybe not. However, he's very likely to out produce Cooks over the next 4 seasons. At a cost savings of over $30 million.
Overall grade - (B-) for trading 2.57. Could have been A-.
2.40 - Blacklock was where value and need merged. I didn't spend much time considering Blacklock at this pick. because I felt he would be off the board in the 1st. Blacklock was considered the #3 DT in the draft (and he was the 3rd DT selected). Over the past 10 drafts, the #3 DT went on average at pick 1.25. The Texans have needed an interior pass rusher for some time. Hopefully, this is the guy. Grade A.
3.90 - Greenard was another pick where value and need met. Not the speed rusher I was hoping for. But, a 3 down OLB that can find his way to the QB. There were a couple of pass rush specialists that could be found later. Not a guy that could play 50%+ of the snaps, like Greenard. Grade B+.
4.126 - First, A++ for turning 4.111 into two 4th round picks. I like the Heck pick as much as any the Texans have taken. Heck is not a stud starting OT. He would have been off the board 100 picks earlier if he were. He is a 3 year starter at a power conference with experience on both sides. Not every OT can play on both sides. Heck has gone against pass rushers like Chubb, Ferrell, Burns, and Ejiofor and held his own. Maybe even more than QB, backup tackle is the most important reserve on a NFL team. This was a need pick, and the Texans again found value. A+.
4.141 - While undersized for a CB playing on the outside, Reid has excellent measurables for a nickel corner playing the slot. Started 40 games in the Big 10, and had good games against 1st rounders DJ Moore and Parris Campbell. As ready to step in and play as any other Texans draft pick. A-.
5.176 - The Texans did take a small school project in underclassman WR Isiah Coulter. Coulter had a very good junior year, along with a nice showing at the combine. Has the looks of a outside receiver at 6'2 190lbs. No special teams experience means that barring injury, Coulter will see little playing time. But with the injury history of the Texans WR corps, Coulter could see more snaps than the Texans hope. With the uncertainty regarding the futures of Fuller, Stills, and even Cooks, Coulter should get his chance in 2021. B-.
What could have been, 2.57 - Had O'Brien not dealt this pick, the Texans could have selected Baylor WR Denzel Mims. While I have questioned Mims' functionality has an all around receiver, no one has questioned his ability as a threat downfield. Mims has Fuller type speed matched with the size that is absent on the Texans roster. Would Mims have equaled the production of Cooks in 2020? Maybe. Maybe not. However, he's very likely to out produce Cooks over the next 4 seasons. At a cost savings of over $30 million.
Overall grade - (B-) for trading 2.57. Could have been A-.
Is Heck a bad pick because of your in-depth analysis or the fact you read it on the internet?It's a B grade for me
That Heck pick is just bad, I think.
I'm feeling far less optimistic.
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Pretty much this
If healthy Blacklock- A
Greenard B
Heck - C+ Man I wish Devlin was better at his job. Heck has the talent to be a starter at some point.
Reid- B+ Reid is going to upgrade the slot. Smart and instinctive runs well, good quickess/feel. In short everything Hargreaves/L.Jo aren't.
Coulter- inc, Dont know anything about him. However he's big and fast so he's got tools to work with. Does he KR/PR?
Yes. It's difficult to get a higher grade with 5 selections. I consider Blacklock a mid to late 1st rounder, so that makes the Hopkins deal look better. Had they kept the 4th they gave the Cards and not taken Johnson and his bloated salary, as well, the Texans could also have a had an interior lineman like Dotson, Biadasz, or Lemieux. Lots of woulda, couldas could have turned this into an A draft.Did you drop the grade to B- because of the Cooks trade?
Heck is an amazing prospect. He has football in his blood. He is good in all run-blocking schemes. His dad is a former player and current NFL OL coach. His grade of C+ is inaccurate.Is Heck a bad pick because of your in-depth analysis or the fact you read it on the internet?
I suppose the Texans are keeping Gipson, after all. As far as Lonnie on Kelce, no one would have had a chance with Travis making triple moves. Mahomes could read a book while waiting for his All Pro TE to get open. At least the Texans are trying to do something about that. A for effort.What they really need is for L. Jo to makes great strides next season. after watching him get eaten alive by Kelce I've got my doubts, even though he was playing out of position
You mean 2-5 because of pick management right? Who's your favorite player and what do you expect him to do?
No one will give O'Brien the benefit of the doubt, because he hasn't earned it. I'm just grading this on how it came out, versus how it could have come out. No way is this a F draft, or even less than average. Not even Gruden and Mayock would get a F from me, but they tried real hard. Although I like the players the Patriots got with their first 2 picks, New England really squandered some opportunities. Nick Caserio? No thanks. Also think the Dolphins came away with less than they should have.Ouch! In a dubious note of distinction the USA guys handed out to O'Brien their only F grade of the 2020 Draft.
Yes. It's difficult to get a higher grade with 5 selections. I consider Blacklock a mid to late 1st rounder, so that makes the Hopkins deal look better. Had they kept the 4th they gave the Cards and not taken Johnson and his bloated salary, as well, the Texans could also have a had an interior lineman like Dotson, Biadasz, or Lemieux. Lots of woulda, couldas could have turned this into an A draft.